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univbee
Jun 3, 2004




I've been accumulating Mac games for a little while now and an off-comment in the Mac Software thread in SH/SC made me think the info here might be appreciated.

Note that in quite a few ways this isn't exactly a positive thread, not as a personal bias but as a realistic "this is how it actually is" way. I've tried to give the best advice I can where appropriate.

What is Mac gaming?

Mac gaming, for the purposes of this thread, means running a game natively in Mac OS X, without needing to fiddle with things like Wine (a Windows emulator compatibility layer) or other similar software.

While once the absolute laughing stock of the gaming circuit, the switchover to Intel-based processors had simplified game porting to a certain degree (it's still a lot of work, but way, way less than it once was), as has the increased market share of Apple. So now, gaming on a Mac...is still a laughing stock, but could be workable depending on what you're looking for.

So is my $3000 Mac Pro going to get me some sweet FPS since my PC rival only spent $1k on his rig?

Unfortunately, the answer to this is "hell no". One area that Apple spends very little attention on is 3D hardware, especially 3D hardware intended for gaming. The Macbooks are equipped with your standard-issue mid-range laptop graphics hardware, and the iMacs fare a bit better with what would be equivalent to something like a $100 PC card. Note, however, in both of these situations upgrading the graphics is very difficult without replacing the entire Mac. It's apparently possible to replace the hardware inside if you're handy with tools and have access to replacement parts, although getting these can be prohibitively expensive. A better idea is to sell your old Mac to get a newer one (remember, Macs retain their resale value quite well).

Mac Pros have PCI-Express slots like a standard PC desktop, although you'll need a card that's designed for Mac (not just any off-the-shelf card will do). Also, since even the cheapest Mac Pro is $2599, odds are good it would actually be cheaper to get an iMac and a separate PC for gaming.

It should also be noted that most MacOS X graphics drivers have poor performance compared to their PC counterparts, to the point where you can actually double your framerate by installing Windows in Bootcamp on your Mac and running the game in question from there on the exact same hardware. This applies even to the native game ports that are otherwise well-done; if the OS drivers are crap there's only so much that can be done. This will also save you tons of re-purchasing if you already have an extensive PC games collection.

And finally, most of the lower-end of the Mac line comes with Intel integrated graphics, which is that thing that most non-indie games spell out in big letters as unsupported. If you were buying a Mac today (end of April 2012), you would need to avoid the Air, the 13" MacBook Pro, and the lower-end Mac Mini. Previous Mac generations may have different layouts (I have a mid-2010 13" MBP which has an Nvidia 320M chip, supported by most recent games but not all of them, so no Deus Ex for me).

In all cases, double-check the requirements before making a non-refundable digital purchase so you don't get burned.

Some games might work in VMware Fusion or Parallels, but generally the hardware-intensive ones will not and will flat-out require being loaded in Boot Camp.

So what game companies are Mac-friendly?

For current-gen game companies, Valve and Blizzard* have the highest support, with both of them having native ports of all of their current games, with cross-platform gaming and same-day patches. Buying the game once gives you access to both versions of the game (EDIT: This is NOT the case for Call of Duty: Black Ops, the PC and Mac versions are SEPARATE so make sure you buy the correct version. There is no way to do cross-platform multiplayer between PC and Mac, although the Steam Mac version will do multiplayer with any other Mac version regardless of where it's from.). Valve has also made a Mac client for Steam, and you can purchase Mac/PC versions of games. Games on Steam will typically store universal save games online on Steam's servers so you can pick up where you left off on either Mac or PC.

* - Note that OS X Lion cuts off support for the Mac versions of StarCraft and Diablo II, as they were PowerPC-based games which won't work in Lion.

TellTale Games has native Mac ports of all their games with the lone exception being Sam and Max Season 1.

Many indie titles are cross-platform (see any of the Humble Indie Bundles) too. Dominions 3 is also Mac-playable, although you'll have to patch it for it to work on Snow Leopard or later.

EA Games will typically supply Mac versions of their games, as will some other companies, although most of the time they port them using Cider, made a Mac-like installer and called it a day. Seriously, some titles still say "Exit to Windows" in them.

Third-party companies like Aspyr will do a bit more heavy lifting to get the game in question working and are the direct support contact with regards to games they've officially ported.

In both of the latter cases port performance can be hit or miss, you'll definitely want to pay close attention to the MAC system requirements and also check out some reviews to find out if the game will run acceptably for you. In some cases you can also run into some odd gotchas, such as vanilla Dragon Age: Origins not supporting any DLC at all (the menu option is there but is intentionally broken). You may also find some games lacking multiplayer (e.g. RAGE) or other omissions. Again, reviews are your friend here.

Does Mac OS Lion (10.7) break anything?

Lion removes Rosetta, the MacOS feature that allowed running PowerPC-based software on Intel-based Macs. You will be SOL for playing certain older games such as StarCraft and Diablo 2, although drat near everything from the last few years will work.

What gaming peripherals are supported?

In all cases you will want at least a 2-button mouse, because pretty much every game expects you to at least be able to right-click, and alternative ways of right-clicking are too convoluted to work in anything requiring precision or speed.

Pretty much every Intel Mac has built-in Bluetooth support, and PS3 wireless controllers (which are Bluetooth) are fully supported in some titles like Borderlands if console-like controls are your thing.

A ton of games on Steam are PC-only, but I can buy the Mac version in stores or from another digital distributor. What's up with that?

A third-party company purchased the right to make a Mac version of the game in question, usually paying a large lump sum to then be able to reap all the profits on game sales. Unfortunately, Steam doesn't allow the Mac and PC versions of their games to be split (i.e. you can't only buy the Mac version of a game) and relies on the original company for determining sales, which generally rubs these companies the wrong way as they almost never have sales on their titles.

Sometimes there are other weird gotchas too (e.g. EA Games are PC-only on Steam despite Mac versions being made in-house). No idea what's up with that, EA isn't exactly forthcoming about what it does anymore.

I still really want my games to run properly in MacOS. Where can I get them from?

Steam is always the best place to check first, if for no other reason than they have the lowest prices and by far the best sales. There are maybe 30-ish "serious" games for Mac on Steam (something that sold for $50 on launch), and about 100 smaller indie titles and shovelware.

The Mac App Store also has some titles like Borderlands GOTY and Call of Duty 4, which have the advantage of using the MAS for updates and activation, which can potentially save you some headaches. Sales can happen, but are few and far between; generally 50% off is as good as these get, usually for Black Friday.

Many of the other digital distributors, namely GamersGate and Direct2Drive, have dedicated Mac sections you can browse and find titles in too.

And finally, the Mac Game Store has everything (including boxed titles) that's still in print and not Steam-exclusive, so it can be a good check to determine if a particular title is even available or not. Again, though, if you're used to Steam sales you will absolutely hate the prices on here, especially for older titles.

What about Mac-exclusive games?

They exist, although truly exclusive Mac games are generally iOS ports. Considering that making a PC version of a Mac game increases its exposure tenfold this is hardly surprising.

So is there ANYTHING that Macs will do better than PC?

One program I really like is Boxer, which is a DOSBox frontend that, with the right setup, can allow you to set up a GoG-like game shelf, where clicking on a game auto-launches it. As far as I know there's no equivalent for Windows.

It's regularly updated and has added in things like Full-screen mode options in Lion, Joystick/gamepad support, various MIDI options, and finally the ability to import GOG installers of DOS games, making this one of the most solid DOS Emulators around for any platform.



What are some big-name games that are available on Mac?

By no means an exhaustive list, these are highlights from my current collection, and other titles I know exist.

SteamPlay titles (on Steam, if you own the PC version you get the Mac version free automatically)

Valve Games: Any game after Half-Life 2 inclusive
All TellTale Games excluding Sam and Max Season 1
All LucasArts titles (LOOM, The Dig, and the 2 Indy games)
Amnesia: The Dark Descent
And Yet It Moves
Assassin's Creed II
Assassin's Creed Brotherhood
Bastion
Bejeweled 3
The Binding of Isaac
BIT.TRIP BEAT
Borderlands 2
Braid
Cave Story+
The Darkness II
Darwinia
Deathspank
DEFCON
Duke Nukem Forever
Dust Force
Eschalon: Book 1
Eschalon: Book 2
Grand Theft Auto 3*
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City*
Grant Theft Auto: San Andreas*
Hearts of Iron III (no expansions I think)
Killing Floor
King's Bounty: The Legend
King's Bounty: Armored Princess
LIMBO
Psychonauts
R.U.S.E.
Serious Sam 3
Sid Meier's Civilization IV Complete*
Sid Meier's Civilization V (note: this is a godawful port. I believe they're patching it but it's basically unplayable on Mac)
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Conviction
Two Worlds II
The Witcher: Enhanced Edition

* - Game is listed as a separate item from its PC counterpart, so you get 2 "games" listed (PC version and Mac version) which can be put in separate groups

Other games:

Blizzard titles - Warcraft 3, Starcraft 2, World of Warcraft and Diablo 3. If you register your CD Keys to a Battle.net account you can download either the PC or Mac versions of your games.

EA Games - In a few cases, you can buy EA Games on GamersGate and get both the PC and Mac versions in one purchase.

Third-party ports - available on Mac App Store

Aspyr Media, Inc


Call of Duty
Call of Duty 2
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Company of Heroes: Complete
DOOM 3
Prey
Quake 4
RAGE: Campaign Edition (SINGLE-PLAYER ONLY)
Secret of Monkey Island (the HD remake)
Tomb Raider II

Feral Interactive

Batman Arkham Asylum (contains Joker challenges from the PS3 version of the game not available on PC)
Bioshock
BioShock 2
Borderlands: GOTY Edition
Deus Ex: Human Revolution Ultimate Edition
Various LEGO: Franchise games
Mafia II Director's Cut

COMING SOON: Empire Total War Gold Edition

univbee fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Nov 26, 2012

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Verisimilidude
Dec 20, 2006

Strike quick and hurry at him,
not caring to hit or miss.
So that you dishonor him before the judges



Amnesia: The Dark Descent is available for Mac. Now there's no reason not to play it. :colbert:

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Univbee is my hero :swoon: Thanks for making this. (although you may want to cut that screenie down a little in the OP)

If anyone has an recommendations for wargames for Mac, I'm :allears:

I mean hex-based wargames like Panzer Leader and stuff. I have Civ and I know I can get the Paradox games catalog (which I probably will eventually), but I still miss having good titles to play like before I went Mac. I guess I could load up Parallels, but :effort:

e: Holy poo poo Boxer plays Xcom! :aaaaa:

Doctor Zero fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Jul 10, 2011

First 07
Jan 1, 2007

by T. Finn

univbee posted:

Further, with the death of the Mac Pro, there is no longer any way to upgrade 3D hardware short of buying a new Mac. Them's the breaks, I'm afraid.

The Mac Pro isn't dead...

Meicyn
Aug 22, 2006

A lot of Mac games are ported through Cider rather than Wine. Examples are The Sims 3, Dragon Age: Origins, Eve Online, City of Heroes, Prince of Persia, Dragon Age II, and so forth.

On another note, the latest top of the line iMacs have a Radeon Mobility 6970 with a gig of video memory in them. By no means cream of the crop, but it is definitely a competent GPU on the level of a desktop Radeon 5850 or there-abouts. Anything you can't play through OSX could definitely be run on Windows 7 through Bootcamp. Running native 2560x1440 resolution is impractical for many newer games, but 1080p gets you excellent performance with most titles and looks great on the 27" screen.

When Lion ships out sometime this month, the OpenGL drivers in OSX are going to receive a much overdue and sorely needed update that should lead to increased performance.

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost

Meicyn posted:

A lot of Mac games are ported through Cider rather than Wine. Examples are The Sims 3, Dragon Age: Origins, Eve Online, City of Heroes, Prince of Persia, Dragon Age II, and so forth.

I don't think there are any commercial games that use Wine. Everyone of them use Cider. Likewise, Transgaming has a new service which, as far as I can tell, has all the games which use Cider.

And referring to the OP: I don't want to be pedantic... but I'm going to be. Wine is a compatibility layer, not an emulator.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

drasticactions posted:

And referring to the OP: I don't want to be pedantic... but I'm going to be. Wine is a compatibility layer, not an emulator.

Not that pedantic, considering what WINE stands for.

On a more content-ful note, I'm not a Mac gamer myself, but while looking for games to play with Mac-owning friends I discovered that Heroes of Newerth has a Mac client. Linux, too, if that's your thing!

IUG
Jul 14, 2007


Glad that there's a thread on this now. Hopefully there will be Steam talk in here too, so that there is some discussion if there is a sale. I know right now they are having the summer camp sales on a lot of the stuff in the library. I also picked up Braid for $2.50 the other day from Steam as well.

BTW, it would suck if the OP got you probated for stretching the tables.

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




First 07 posted:

The Mac Pro isn't dead...

Crap, I got mixed-up with the Mac Servers. Rephrased.

univbee fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Jul 10, 2011

Stick Figure Mafia
Dec 11, 2004

It isn't brought up much, but I find Onlive to be a good choice to play some PC only games on my Mac. I can play some modern games on my lovely 2007 Macbook.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

It'll be interesting to see how Lion changes things for gaming on Mac. That OS is out real soon.

First 07
Jan 1, 2007

by T. Finn

univbee posted:

Crap, I got mixed-up with the Mac Servers. Rephrased.

Your post is still wrong.

"The only Mac with upgradeable graphics cards is the Mac Pro, and there are essentially no cards available with gaming in mind (most cards are for doing graphical work, not play)."

Apple sells numerous cards for the Mac Pro, such as the 5770, that aren't even Autocad Certified, but are fine for gaming.

That said, if you are buying the Mac Pro to game you are an idiot.

theultimo
Aug 2, 2004

An RSS feed bot who makes questionable purchasing decisions.
Pillbug

I said come in! posted:

It'll be interesting to see how Lion changes things for gaming on Mac. That OS is out real soon.
Nothing is changed. Better performance in a few apps, but thats it.

People have gone quite far with Wine on OS X at the moment. With Wineskin and custom wrappers people are making out of them, I'm playing Mount and Blade: Warband "natively" and other titles. I would look into it if you have a few PC games lying around.

FYI - the Borderlands GOTY edition doesn't use gamespy, you have to install a 3rd party service on the pc and mac to play together.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

theultimo posted:

Nothing is changed. Better performance in a few apps, but thats it.

.... Ooh. :( Well i'll still be upgrading either way. I don't do a lot of gaming on my mac anyways, just Starcraft II occasionally, which runs just fine.

deej
May 29, 2003

hibjibbity

Stick Figure Mafia posted:

It isn't brought up much, but I find Onlive to be a good choice to play some PC only games on my Mac. I can play some modern games on my lovely 2007 Macbook.

I recently discovered this and I'm floored with how good it is. The seamless way you can zoom in out of spectating other people's games is great. I'm just trying to talk myself into actually buying a game on there instead of using up all the 30 minute free trials. I can play Assassin's Creed 2 on my macbook air just like Apple said I'd be able to in their drat promo videos late last year!

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Dare I ask what "Softporn Adventure" is? :aaa:

moms pubis
Jul 9, 2011

by T. Mascis

Endless Mike posted:

Dare I ask what "Softporn Adventure" is? :aaa:
Ironically, it's a text adventure. The first Leisure Suit Larry is essentially a graphical remake of it.

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug

Meicyn posted:

On another note, the latest top of the line iMacs have a Radeon Mobility 6970 with a gig of video memory in them. By no means cream of the crop, but it is definitely a competent GPU on the level of a desktop Radeon 5850 or there-abouts. Anything you can't play through OSX could definitely be run on Windows 7 through Bootcamp. Running native 2560x1440 resolution is impractical for many newer games, but 1080p gets you excellent performance with most titles and looks great on the 27" screen.

I bought the base iMac (21", 6750M) and have been awfully impressed. Just about everything I've thrown at it has run great, at least up to Just Cause 2 and Dead Rising 2. Apple seems to have goofed this time around and actually put graphics chips worth a poo poo in the consumer line.

theultimo
Aug 2, 2004

An RSS feed bot who makes questionable purchasing decisions.
Pillbug
Yeah Apple has been hit or miss with CPU's. My imac has the 4850 and its a good card surprisingly. My MBA has the 330m and its one of the best chipsets in a 11 inch. Be wary of sandy bridge though, like when they went from ppc to intel and lost performance going from the 9500 to the gma 950, the GPU is actually worse then the 330m for games.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
I am not sure that it's fair to say that NONE of the Mac Pro cards are suitable for gaming, the 5870 available as an add-on is pretty beefy and the 6970M in the top-level iMac is no slouch either.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
Aw BULLSHIT. I bought Eschalon Book 2 based on a recommendation here and the drat thing QUITS UNEXPECTEDLY every time I start it. Stupid OSX, after it crashes the first eight times I try to run it, I definitely start expecting it <:mad:>

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug

theultimo posted:

Yeah Apple has been hit or miss with CPU's. My imac has the 4850 and its a good card surprisingly. My MBA has the 330m and its one of the best chipsets in a 11 inch. Be wary of sandy bridge though, like when they went from ppc to intel and lost performance going from the 9500 to the gma 950, the GPU is actually worse then the 330m for games.

Ah the halcyon days of my original Rev. A iMac with a 2MB Rage iic daughtercard :allears:

Throwing a Voodoo 2 in the Mezzanine slot was a trip to say the least.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

AlternateAccount posted:

I am not sure that it's fair to say that NONE of the Mac Pro cards are suitable for gaming, the 5870 available as an add-on is pretty beefy and the 6970M in the top-level iMac is no slouch either.

Even with a good card there's nothing to play. I'm looking at the Mac section of Steam and the games section of the App Store and it's barren. I broke down and bought a copy of windows to boot camp.

And it's bullshit that Call of Duty 4 is still $50 at the App Store. I just got it for $15 on Steam :(

Adonis Gunther
Mar 11, 2011

I'm getting a new laptop soon™, and I've decided to move out of Apple's OS X prison hellhole. The only games I have played on Mac (not running BootCamp) are WoW and EVE. I'm really not seeing a bright future for OS X gaming. Also, the value for money in terms of gaming when you get a Mac is ridiculous. I mean, I'm getting an Alienware and it's cheaper and better than the Apple equivalent.

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




Rephrased the graphics section to longer say Mac 3D hardware sucks. Is there a store that has online-orderable Mac 3D cards I could add to the OP? Tried Newegg but didn't have much luck.

moms pubis posted:

Ironically, it's a text adventure. The first Leisure Suit Larry is essentially a graphical remake of it.

Correct. It was included in one of the earlier Leisure Larry Collections which is why it's there. The cover features Ken Williams in a butler's outfit and Roberta Williams naked in a hot tub, if memory serves me correctly.

univbee fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Jul 10, 2011

First 07
Jan 1, 2007

by T. Finn

univbee posted:

Rephrased the graphics section to longer say Mac 3D hardware sucks. Is there a store that has online-orderable Mac 3D cards I could add to the OP? Tried Newegg but didn't have much luck.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/mac_accessories/displays?mco=MTM4MjU0NTI

Geschi
Dec 22, 2007

War starts at midnight!
Aspyr recently patched KOTOR and it is now actually playable. Bought it on the Mac App Store and it even runs well on my Macbook with the dreadful Intel x3100. It still of course doesn't support widescreen resolutions though.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


univbee posted:

Rephrased the graphics section to longer say Mac 3D hardware sucks. Is there a store that has online-orderable Mac 3D cards I could add to the OP?

Something that isn't the Apple Store:

http://eshop.macsales.com/search/PCi%20Express%20Video%20Mac%20Pro

or if you want old crapstan Mac video cards and iMac 2010 upgrades as well:

http://eshop.macsales.com/Search/Search.cfm?Ntk=Primary&Ns=P_Price%7c0&Ne=5000&N=5697&Ntt=video+cards

anagramarye
Jan 2, 2008

Array Age Man
Thinking about Boxer, is there a DOS-games thread anywhere for recommendations and stuff?

almostfearless
Aug 1, 2003

Inspiral, Coalescence, Ringdown

Geschi posted:

Aspyr recently patched KOTOR and it is now actually playable. Bought it on the Mac App Store and it even runs well on my Macbook with the dreadful Intel x3100. It still of course doesn't support widescreen resolutions though.
Now if only they'd do the same for their Civ 4 port.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


univbee posted:

The only Mac with upgradeable graphics cards is the Mac Pro.

Technically, not true. If you bought a 27-inch 2011 iMac, and only got the ATI Radeon 6770M with 512MB VRAM, it is possible (but very expensive) to upgrade it later on to an ATI Radeon 6970M with 1 GB VRAM by taking it back to the Apple Store and asking for the more powerful card.

I have seen this happen where people with earlier model iMacs with 128 MB VRAM cards would bring it to their local AASP (Apple Authorized Service Provider) or Apple Store and were upgraded to 256 MB VRAM because the people were graphics artists who bitched that Adobe Creative Suite 5 system requirements state 256MB VRAM as a requirement to run.

It might be better to say Mac Pros are the only Macs that have graphic card upgrades available from vendors other than Apple.

quote:

It should also be noted that most MacOS X graphics drivers have poor performance compared to their PC counterparts, to the point where you can actually double your framerate by installing Windows in Bootcamp on your Mac and running the game in question from there on the exact same hardware.

If you ever call up nVidia and complain about the graphics card in the Apple machine being slower than its PC equivalent, guess who nVidia refers you to?

Apple doesn't give a flying gently caress about gaming or 3D performance in their graphics drivers, they only care that it accelerates system GUI drawing, by offloading the most intensive stuff to the GPU.

Apple often hires contract programmers to write graphics drivers for each new evolution of chipsets, ATI or nVidia, and as soon as they deliver a driver for that chipset that doesn't have major flaws, they usually pay them and tell them to GTFO. If there are flaws, they put out ads again to get them fixed, get working drivers, tells the new guys to GTFO, rinse and repeat for each chipset.

IMHO ATI chipsets get better Core Image performance first, as ATI usually provides better and more Core Image compatible documentation / sample code than nVidia since they've worked with Macs for a longer time.

nVidia has their own department of programmers who are constantly tweaking and doing fine adjustment of the drivers for Windows machines, they have no such similar staff for Mac OS machines because it's not economical for them to do so.

Lastly, it's well known that Apple often underclocks their graphics cards so as to make them less heat generating and be more reliable / help battery life.

Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Jul 10, 2011

Meicyn
Aug 22, 2006

I think it's worth mentioning that the resale value of Macs are pretty solid, at least from my experience. It's kind of like the resale value of used iPhones... you can get a good chunk of change selling them on eBay. I actually upgraded to the latest iMac from the previous one for what was basically $250. Considering the noticeably better video card and faster processor, it worked out quite nicely.

It's not the traditional way to upgrade your video card and/or processor, but it has worked pretty well for me so far, especially since Time Machine will transfer everything over with little effort. Best way to increase the value of your Mac when reselling it is to make sure it's loaded with RAM. It's mostly because Apple charges absurd prices for RAM upgrades through the Apple Store, so shoving in another 8 GB for $55 through Newegg is a sure way to make your product more attractive on eBay. You should have more than the default RAM in your computer anyway.

Chevy Slyme
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.

Meicyn posted:

I think it's worth mentioning that the resale value of Macs are pretty solid, at least from my experience. It's kind of like the resale value of used iPhones... you can get a good chunk of change selling them on eBay. I actually upgraded to the latest iMac from the previous one for what was basically $250. Considering the noticeably better video card and faster processor, it worked out quite nicely.

It's not the traditional way to upgrade your video card and/or processor, but it has worked pretty well for me so far, especially since Time Machine will transfer everything over with little effort. Best way to increase the value of your Mac when reselling it is to make sure it's loaded with RAM. It's mostly because Apple charges absurd prices for RAM upgrades through the Apple Store, so shoving in another 8 GB for $55 through Newegg is a sure way to make your product more attractive on eBay. You should have more than the default RAM in your computer anyway.


Going to second this. I just upgraded to a new MBP by selling my 2008 iMac and 2007 white Macbook, for about 750 each. After Edu discount and the BTS promo, my net cost to get a 2200 dollar machine was 400 bucks.

Jack's Flow
Jun 6, 2003

Life, friends, is boring
This thread is a very good idea. Thanks for making it.

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

All of my friends I want to play PC games with have macs and it makes me mad.

The only thing we play is Heroes of Newerth and I guess when Diablo 3 comes out, Diablo 3. Every other coop game I have bought does not work on a mac :I

Cuboidal 64
Sep 29, 2010

Green dick is better than blue dick
Anyone know any good gamepads that'll work with Mac? I have a Logitech Dual Action right now which worked fine on my old PC. I tried using it to play Assassin's Creed 2 and for some reason wouldn't recognize it. I haven't been able to find a good fix for it anywhere. I think I might just get a wired 360 pad and use the drivers for that.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Bootcamp should really be addressed in the OP, at least with a brief mention for those who aren't familiar with the software.

I've got a 2 year old MBP and I game a LOT on it - I just have it dual-partitioned with Windows installed on the other half. Frankly the graphics drivers for MacOS are so god awful that even the games that I have both MacOS and PC copies (pretty much just Steam titles that you get both licenses when buying the game) I mostly play on the PC end of things.

It's really not a bad setup. I keep all my actual work over on the MacOS side, and there are a ton of reasons why MacOS makes more sense for me as a working environment, but when I get some downtime it's over to windows.

deej
May 29, 2003

hibjibbity

Cuboidal 64 posted:

Anyone know any good gamepads that'll work with Mac? I have a Logitech Dual Action right now which worked fine on my old PC. I tried using it to play Assassin's Creed 2 and for some reason wouldn't recognize it. I haven't been able to find a good fix for it anywhere. I think I might just get a wired 360 pad and use the drivers for that.

The PS3 pads work with Macs. You need to plug it in for a few moments first but then it should be connected via bluetooth. I may be wrong but I think OSX comes with the drivers for it built in?

Spectral Werewolf
Jun 15, 2006

And if that wasn't funny, there were lots of things that weren't even funnier...

Cuboidal 64 posted:

Anyone know any good gamepads that'll work with Mac? I have a Logitech Dual Action right now which worked fine on my old PC. I tried using it to play Assassin's Creed 2 and for some reason wouldn't recognize it. I haven't been able to find a good fix for it anywhere. I think I might just get a wired 360 pad and use the drivers for that.

I actually plug in my PS3 controller or load up DarwiinRemote to play some games like Cave Story, Braid, and Frogatto. It's really up to you to make it work though, I don't know if either of those really work with games AC2.

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EvilMayo
Dec 25, 2010

"You'll poke your anus out." - George Dubya Bush

Doctor Zero posted:


If anyone has an recommendations for wargames for Mac, I'm :allears:


Memoir '44 is an absolute blast. It is in beta but built around a micropayment system. http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/start/

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