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The thumb is being over thought in my opinion especially when there is a bird that talks but if its bothering that many people can I suggest a salute? But even that has problems with portraying the movement but it could work with a strong enough pose. But please I can I say that i'm far more interested in this story progressing before little niggles are revised!
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| # ? Aug 14, 2011 23:16 |
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The salute would also work with the military theme and kind of reinforce that young Jaybird is working towards becoming like his courageous, militaristic ancestors. But yeah, definitely overthinking the thumb thing here.
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| # ? Aug 15, 2011 00:12 |
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I would like to see what the spider salute would look like.
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| # ? Aug 15, 2011 02:10 |
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Well technically young "Jaybird" is actually drawn as a female sparrow. So welp...
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| # ? Aug 15, 2011 02:20 |
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Looks like a Eurasian jay to me...
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| # ? Aug 15, 2011 02:30 |
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tifosibella posted:Looks like a Eurasian jay to me... It is. I think it's best if we consider these pages as they are, instead of what we would have done. ne. I don't say that lightly, it's just the OP's got great construction and this piece will likely continue to be fine as is. No point to get bogged down with the little details. The Worst Unicorn fucked around with this message at Aug 15, 2011 around 03:27 |
| # ? Aug 15, 2011 03:25 |
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steve343 posted:The thumb is being over thought in my opinion especially when there is a bird that talks I don't think it's a huge deal but "there's a talking bird so what are you complaining about" is a bad argument.
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| # ? Aug 15, 2011 04:13 |
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tifosibella posted:Looks like a Eurasian jay to me... Welp, consider me schooled!
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| # ? Aug 15, 2011 04:33 |
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Wow, this comic is incredible. Beautiful artwork!
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| # ? Aug 15, 2011 09:28 |
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You need to get a kickstarter started pronto. I would pay you money. Edit: how do you do your perspective shots? They are really impressive. Fangz fucked around with this message at Aug 16, 2011 around 12:17 |
| # ? Aug 16, 2011 06:59 |
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OP, I am pro spider thumb. It was silly and it made me smile. I like little things like that in their to break up the tension, which you've created masterfully by the way. Whatever you decide will be great though, this whole thing is amazing and I would definitely buy this were it published.
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| # ? Aug 17, 2011 03:35 |
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Yes, the perspective and sense of space here is just wonderful -- the backgrounds are inspiring. I'm also amazed by how quickly you're producing this. When you posted about being done in six hours, were you referring to just one page or all of them in that post? Because either way, oh man. It's both admirable and makes me want to saw off my hand. If you have the time and it isn't too much trouble, could you post a few process shots?  Keep up the good work!
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| # ? Aug 17, 2011 03:36 |
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^^ All of them. Usually I procrastinate, surf the web a bit, go make coffee etc. But this time I was able to just paint for the six full hours. I had the 3d boxes rendered beforehand though. Crisco Kid posted:If you have the time and it isn't too much trouble, could you post a few process shots?  This is a full page panel. The walls, bed and floor are 3d. (That is how the perspective is done. By cheating. ) I paint the general shapes on top of the render (pic 1) with a big brush. Then draw some preliminary outlines on top of that, polishing the shapes as I go (pic 2). Then I switch to a smaller brush to add detail (pic 3). The last round is with the smallest brush. Generally, I go from big shapes to smaller shapes, working on the whole picture at a time.3d is a huge timesaver. It's just so much quicker to just get to town with the tones and details straight off the bat. I usually frown upon using it like this, it's no learning tool since it becomes a crutch all too easily. But for finishing this drat thing in a reasonable timeframe it's a real boon. klaivu fucked around with this message at Aug 17, 2011 around 17:46 |
| # ? Aug 17, 2011 06:15 |
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haha, holy poo poo, Scott McCloud just linked (or at least retweeted a link to) this thread, awesome.
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| # ? Aug 17, 2011 22:30 |
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Yeah I was amazed to get linked back to the forums by Scott McCloud. Great job with the comic! I'm hooked.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2011 00:23 |
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elentar posted:haha, holy poo poo, Scott McCloud just linked (or at least retweeted a link to) this thread, awesome. Awesome. Don't think for a second that this thread isn't going to GBS once the comic is finished.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2011 02:22 |
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klaivu posted:3d is a huge timesaver. It's just so much quicker to just get to town with the tones and details straight off the bat. I usually frown upon using it like this, it's no learning tool since it becomes a crutch all too easily. But for finishing this drat thing in a reasonable timeframe it's a real boon. This is great and I wouldn't think of it as a crutch at all, one of the biggest things to making a project as massive as this is having the feeling like you're making progress, and this seems to be a key for it. I think it gives it a unique style, and the fact you're painting over it still means you're doing the lion's share of the work.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2011 02:33 |
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klaivu posted:Tiny niggle that caught me out - the mop head in the first panel is drawn and coloured in a way which makes it look very like the mother's hand/wing. Since it follows a panel of her yawning and covering her mouth, and because her speech bubble cuts it off from the rest of the mop, it's quite easy to confuse at first glance. This is really phenomenal, though. I love the art, and I have nothing but admiration for your attitude and work ethic.
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| # ? Aug 18, 2011 14:39 |
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elentar posted:haha, holy poo poo, Scott McCloud just linked (or at least retweeted a link to) this thread, awesome. Wow. That made me me feel a little giddy. I have all of his books on comics and they've been a tremendous help on this project. The mop could be a little lighter I guess. I intend to redo some pages and polish others once I've drawn them all. I will tweak things like this at that point. klaivu fucked around with this message at Aug 19, 2011 around 12:00 |
| # ? Aug 19, 2011 08:39 |
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Minor little thing I didn't see mentioned: the broom is missing from the last panel of this page. It goes without saying at this point, but this is all just fantastic.
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klaivu posted:I intend to redo some pages and polish others once I've drawn them all. I will tweak things like this at that point.
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           Carbohydrates, damnit, I keep misplacing that drat thing. A little less than a third to go! klaivu fucked around with this message at Aug 24, 2011 around 21:45 |
| # ? Aug 24, 2011 14:54 |
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Those last four panels...  It's been said before but you are just far too good at hooking your audience.
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| # ? Aug 24, 2011 16:45 |
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drat. I can't tell if he did that intentionally or not, but if not (which seems pretty likely), wouldn't he have remembered to check up on her at some point?
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| # ? Aug 24, 2011 17:35 |
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It is very likely that some later pages will answer your question. Edit: On second thought, maybe not. I changed it some and think it functions better now. The purpose of that last spread is to communicate that some time passes, and the slowly accreting dust and cobwebs were just overkill. I've been told there's an inconsistency there, but I guess it took one more person to get me to kill this particular darling. The panels might lose a little punch here, but that might just add power to what is yet to come ... klaivu fucked around with this message at Aug 24, 2011 around 22:00 |
| # ? Aug 24, 2011 18:19 |
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This is turning into the saddest comic. I hope you get a publishing deal soon so I can give you money!
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| # ? Aug 25, 2011 08:06 |
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My connection sucks and I cant see the last 2 pages of the thread, so I'm not sure if you have any publisher in mind- but maybe consider Fantagraphics. http://www.fantagraphics.com/ Seems like right up your alley. Sorry if it's already mentioned. This is so loving amazing by the way. Holy poo poo.
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| # ? Aug 25, 2011 12:34 |
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Boy, that was a real downer (not a complaint). I saw the panels pre- and post-edit and I like the new ones a lot better. I too thought that the bird subconciously was trying to kill his mother since he hadn't gone in to check on her in what seemed like a few days at least. I'm still not sure I totally buy the idea that he would just completely forget accidentally about her for a whole day since he knew he'd cut the bell, but it's at least a little less amiguous.
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| # ? Aug 25, 2011 16:00 |
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Need more!  This is absolutely beautiful. Echoing everyone else: please get it published and when you do, let us know so we can get copies!
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| # ? Aug 25, 2011 17:12 |
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Lovely! It's not often that a comic gives me suspense without it being too drawn out. Also I will cry if the little bird gets hurt. 
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| # ? Aug 25, 2011 17:42 |
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"klaivu' posted:The panels might lose a little punch here, but that might just add power to what is yet to come ... I think the lack of dust and cobwebs makes the last four panels better. I liked the dust and cobwebs, but it did seem like the little jaybird had inadvertently killed his mother or something. The fade-out by itself is still ominous but no longer implies the passage of weeks or months with the jaybird turning into a strange Norman Bates kinda person. 
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| # ? Aug 25, 2011 18:04 |
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Yeah, that was a punch to the gut. I think it's more effective as it looks now, although except for the fact that it'd be a little unrealistic, the haunting aspect of forgetting to ever go back to his mother after he cut the cord (... ) himself would have been really interesting.
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| # ? Aug 25, 2011 19:25 |
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This last bit is absolutely amazing, klaivu. I never saw the original version, so to me it looks like a day or so has gone by (since it looks like it went from day to night), but even then it's very hard-hitting. I don't know if it's lost something if you were going for a much longer passage of time, but it's definitely good as it is.
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| # ? Aug 26, 2011 03:55 |
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Just posting to add that I'm another who is eagerly clicking this thread every time I see an update. it's absolutely incredible and I'll definitely buy this if it's ever published. I saw the cobwebbed version too, and while it was beautifully done, I think I agree that maybe it was overkill, unless them room has been undisturbed for literally years.
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| # ? Aug 26, 2011 06:35 |
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Oh god noooooooo I just found this and it's not finished yet aaaagh. This is incredibly good work. The pacing, structure and narrative are beautifully conceived and rendered. I'm really enjoying this.
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| # ? Aug 27, 2011 23:49 |
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klaivu posted:Going to up the pace for this month, expect to see more frequent updates. Yeah, right. Moving on:  
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| # ? Aug 31, 2011 09:29 |
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Oh my god the little bird is welding a suit of armor to battle the bad birds!!! Or possibly anything else.
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| # ? Aug 31, 2011 14:51 |
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It looks like the front door to me with the coat hooks and umbrellas.
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| # ? Aug 31, 2011 15:28 |
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^^ Ding ding! ( I moved the panels from here to another post. ) Satsuma posted:I saw the cobwebbed version too, and while it was beautifully done, I think I agree that maybe it was overkill, unless them room has been undisturbed for literally years. Nah, I was actually convinced that I NEEDED to have cobwebs and the like to convey that any time had passed at all. Don't know why I thought that, guess I was kinda hung up on my first idea. klaivu fucked around with this message at Sep 27, 2011 around 17:20 |
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I am really loving this; it reminds me a lot of something that might be in one of Kazu Kibuishi's Flight anthologies. Those greyscale panels of the 'Bad Birds' just about took my breath away. Can't wait to see more!
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