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Gray Stormy posted:I know a couple who have chosen to not work period because the benefits the state gives them are substantially more than what they would make working regular jobs. Every time I hear them talk about the new TV or whatever they just bought it takes every once of willpower to not totally freak out at them. No you don't. Or you do but you're too stupid to understand that you could easily look up the maximum amount of government benefits a couple could be receiving in your local area, and could then come to the conclusion that they're receiving an alternative source of non-welfare income if they're actually living that lifestyle. I love how this poo poo is always "Some guys I know" and never "Me". Nobody ever has firsthand knowledge of how to reap these generous state benefits. That's so strange!
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cory ad portas posted:My trip to the ER yesterday reaffirmed my opinions of a lot of the people who bitch about the system. I'm interested in hearing the rest of this.
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Bizarro Watt posted:I'm interested in hearing the rest of this. Not really interested in getting into a big argument but I got a shard of metal in my eye at work which meant I ended up at the ER clinic thing around a bunch of worker's comp cases and it left a pretty bad taste in my mouth.
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Action Potential posted:Wasn't your total wait time for surgery in the US 9 months mostly due to enormous flaws in the insurance system? I mean the time between herniated disk and going into surgery. Technically no. I don't know when I herniated the disc, and once I realized that something was really wrong I went to a chiropractor, got X-Rays done, and had some work done on my back to see if the problem could be solved non-surgically (at this time I did not know I had a herniated disc but the pain was getting progressively worse). During that time I was switching to a different health-care provider. I was on Blue Cross, and was switching to PPlus through my employer. PPlus needed confirmation from Blue Cross that I had dropped their coverage before I could switch. Blue Cross did not send them the letter for four months despite constant calls and letters from me. Once PPlus got the confirmation in December, my coverage started in mid-January. Once I had the coverage, I immediately had an MRI scheduled, and the wait was 2 weeks. A week after I had the MRI done I was brought in to see the neurosurgeon and got the diagnosis. 3 weeks after I got the diagnosis I was on the operating table. So timetable from the day I had the MRI scheduled to surgery was about a month and a half. If not for my insurance snafu it would have been very timely. quote:Oh, and the answer to your earlier question about what to do is to extend medicare to every American citizen. It's actually a money saver to have everybody be able to receive primary care without personally paying for it, not to mention the much lower overhead costs from not using private insurance. Ask your Dad how much easier and cheaper it is to treat any condition early on compared to doing expensive surgical/emergency procedures after the problem has gotten worse. It's always the right time to enact this, and there will never come a time when everything is super perfect where congress just says "okay I guess y'all can have some healthcare now." I don't even need to ask him, that's almost always the case. The earlier you seek treatment, the easier less costly it is to treat you, at least with most things. The cost of treatment for some more serious conditions can't be totally circumvented even by early diagnosis, but it will decrease your recovery time and increase chances of making a full recovery (of course we're talking very generally here, with so many specialized needs between patients). And I agree that universal coverage should have already been implemented, but there are huge road-blocks preventing it from happening from regressive attitudes among the people, to huge corporations that profit off the current system and a government that is too divided to institute serious change. Huge amounts of money are at stake when it comes to private insurance, and those companies which supply it have the political clout to make sure it stays that way. In order for significant change to occur, those companies, politicians, and CEOs are going to have to change and make sacrifices especially in the current economic climate. But in our capitalist fantasy land sacrifice equals socialism, and the line of thinking of the tea party has become more popular. The wealthy want to continue being wealthy, and as long as the government continues to believe the system isn't totally broken, it won't change. Just look at the PPACA. It's a band-aid on a broken leg. It doesn't significantly alter the current system. It prevents insurance companies from kicking you to the curb with impunity, it gives people more options for cheaper insurance, but it's not universal coverage. However it's still branded as socialist just because it uses government money to lower insurance costs to the poor, and in America if something is branded socialist than it's evil. If the government and a large portion of the public won't accept even the slightest of concessions to help those in need, and are currently in the process of cutting away the inadequate safety nets already in place, how could you expect them to back universal coverage where they have to pay more taxes for programs that support those less fortunate than themselves? Or blanket medicare much less? The mind-set of the US is one where ideas of universal coverage will not be accepted without a significant change from the ground up to our government. I just don't see that happening any time soon.
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It's unfortunate, but this is what happens when you allow Capitalism and robber barons to run around unchecked, infiltrating government, dictating social policy, commodifying everything in existence, and putting the value of 'things' above human life. If no one does anything about it, then it is the best the U.S. is going to get anytime soon. It won't just magically get better for no reason at all. Of course the U.S. people aren't sweet little innocent angels oppressed under the boot of evil Capitalism either. They are just as much to blame for their complacency, if not outright support, as anyone or anything else.
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President Kucinich posted:It isn't a racket because people don't use it; it is a racket because people can't use it in emergencies without suffering severe financial penalties which is the whole point of having insurance. If an insurance plan does not protect the buyer from financial penalties levied due to receiving healthcare, if the insurance plan seeks to make it as messy for you as possible if you so much as look at your plan cross-eyed, it is a rent seeking racket of the highest caliber; the kind of rent seeking that can kill a person. Based on this thread I decided to look up insurance quotes for myself. Just a quick look as a 27 year old male, non smoker. The cheapest was about $70 a month, but it covered gently caress all, $15k deductible and it covered almost nothing until you hit the deductible. What's the point if you have to shell out $15k before insurance starts paying? The "reasonable" plans that I looked at were about $100-120 a month, 3-5k deductible, about 3 co-payed doctor visits a year, 1 co-pay emergency room visit a year then the rest is all up till the deductible. You're paying 1,200-1,400 a year for that, better hope you don't require many doctor visits or go to the emergency room twice otherwise you'll get hit with a nice 5k deductible, which some people might not be able to afford. The best I saw was through my employer's part-time health insurance offered. The best plan they had cost roughly $2,100 a year, and only covered up to $5k in expenses, which is nothing as the OP indicates with a bill over 40k. Full time health benefits are amazing compared to the part-time, but still pales in comparison to anything UHC could offer.
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What keeps blowing my mind is how the Republicans are consistently less and less about classical conservatism, shown most in their ultra protection of a minority (the uber wealthy), their federal government policies that interfere on the state level, and their distinct lack of giving a poo poo about the smaller businesses because the mega corporations need to get their say over all. Not too mention it's always been a conservative thing to care enough about those going through a rough time to donate to charity however it is not the government's responsibility to take care of those people, it is other people. But even THAT is lost and now it's more about gently caress em' let em' die, why give any of my money to the less fortunate? They aren't conservatives, these modern Republicans. They are teabaggers. I'm lucky enough to have a type of family insurance that covers children until they are 25, and after that I will probably be in grad school and able to get some kind of school insurance or something. But even so it terrifies me to face the day I lose all these privileges to go to the doctor. My doctors are incompetent fuckwads sometimes though and I seem to know better than they do sometimes so I don't bother going all the time. RadioMuffin fucked around with this message at Jul 12, 2011 around 23:42 |
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melon cat posted:of all things to call them "Capitalists" isn't at all accurate. Capitalists believe in free, competitive markets- not taxpayer-funded bail-outs. It's cronyism, plain and simple. I know I'm doing a lot of labeling here, but their behaviour isn't Capitalist in any traditional sense of the term! Try fascist. Umberto Eco wrote a list a while back of some things that can be used to identify fascist movements. The media and a good amount of the corporate spokespeople and politicians of this country promote these sorts of values.
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Azure Renraku posted:Eventually the government would be giving them $100 per worker-hour plus an allowance for benefits, when the workers make $10 an hour and gets no benefits. Got an article or something about that? Sounds pretty horrible. I enjoy the online access that Calfornia's system has. You also can bypass quite a lot by just registering online for an appointment or by doing most of the services online. It's still one of the worst DMVs too with all the layoffs and such in this broken rear end state and I still don't want a private system because they're a joke. Much like how privatized healthcare is a complete joke. cory ad portas posted:Not really interested in getting into a big argument but I got a shard of metal in my eye at work which meant I ended up at the ER clinic thing around a bunch of worker's comp cases and it left a pretty bad taste in my mouth. Nah I doubt he's interested in an argument but actually interested in your experience. We just want to hear your story.
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Gray Stormy posted:I know a couple who have chosen to not work period because the benefits the state gives them are substantially more than what they would make working regular jobs. Hahaha. No you don't.
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Mr. Pumroy posted:Hahaha. I've actually heard that argument a lot. I think it's less to do with state sponsored laziness and more to do with people throwing themselves deep in to debt thinking it'll all be paid for.
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Azure Renraku posted:You might be on to something here. Government work is sometimes so bureaucratic and inefficient that a private company administering things might be a better solution. Like DMVs. Every time I've been to a DMV, it has been a multi-hour wait for simple things, even if there are only a few people. The employees will help one person and then go sit down in the back and talk to each other for a while before returning to help someone else. They actually get paid pretty well, too. No. For some reason you think that the business owner is in it for any other reason than to make money. He's not there to make the world a better place - quite the contrary; it he can make millions by crashing the world's economy, he'll do it and not bat an eye. This is an important point to make - most people think that capitalism with it's 'invisible hand' by default encourages people to make the world a better place, because they'll be paid handsomely for it. They never think that making the world a worse place can make you rich too - it's easier. In your DMV analogy, The Government official charged with this project would give the contract to someone he's friends with, who would immediately strip everything out of it, fire half the workers, and cut the pay/benefits of the ones that are left. He would then increase costs for everything. The workers would take this because 10% unemployment; good luck finding another job. Your $10/hour with bonus encourages the workers to speed everyone through as fast as possible, while ignoring customer concerns, and not taking care of problems. Yes, you get through the DMV quickly, but you have to get right back on the end of the line again, because the workers didn't actually help you. But that kind of encouragement wouldn't be needed in this economy anyway - thanks 10% unemployment! I'll put out a opening tomorrow for minimum wage and get 1,000 applicants, so quit if you don't like it! Waits would increase, service would be worse, costs would increase - every year, mind you. And you, the customer, could do gently caress all about it, because how else will you get your license? Sure, you can complain, but who would listen? Nobody is paid enough to give a poo poo. Why would he do all of this? Because everything he cuts, every cost increase he puts in, makes his salary larger. He actually has a financial incentive to make the place run like poo poo, while making it as expensive as possible. Introducing the profit motive into an equation encourages the guy on top to cut every cost possible, to increase every cost possible, in an effort to make his money bigger. If it makes people's life worse, well tough titty. In your government analogy, at least the workers get good pay, while the privatized option makes life miserable for everyone involved except the guy on top who's making out like a madman for being friends with the right person, and having the right amount of money at the right time - not even being a hard worker, but by having the right friends (and lots of money already). The reason Azure said what he said was that our government, in this day and age, won't get out of bed unless it makes a few people millions of dollars. Helping people doesn't make money, so it doesn't get done. By attaching a profit motive to it, he'd be able to get government funding now, since it's about making money, not helping people. edit: and for the record, here in New Jersey, the lovely driving capital of the world, I'm in and out of the DMV in less than 10 minutes, and we didn't have to privatize squat. Meatball fucked around with this message at Jul 12, 2011 around 23:55 |
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The government is sponsoring all these lazy people, while I, a captain of industry, keeping the economy afloat single handedly, am still forced to pay taxes?! Why, those poors should be the ones paying taxes to me!
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cory ad portas posted:Not really interested in getting into a big argument but I got a shard of metal in my eye at work which meant I ended up at the ER clinic thing around a bunch of worker's comp cases and it left a pretty bad taste in my mouth. There is fraud in our welfare systems. It is by no means the norm, and it is not a good idea to abolish welfare entirely because a tiny fraction are breaking the rules. And no one is living it up on welfare. It is a lovely, degrading, miserable life.
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The Bible posted:There is fraud in our welfare systems. It is by no means the norm, and it is not a good idea to abolish welfare entirely because a tiny fraction are breaking the rules. But I won't miss an opportunity to use those bending of the rules (which happen everywhere and in everything) as a way to appeal to people's emotions to get them to get rid of it, even though it is in their best interest to keep it  I mean cmon, you all obey the laws and you all obey the rules right? I mean I assume this because you're all good people and we all know bad people, people in prison, are people who break rules and laws. I mean how may prison breaks do we have? Few, that's because prison is such a good system. You know what gets exploited a lot? Welfare! Imagine if all of those people getting welfare who shouldn't were RAPISTS breaking out of prison and into YOUR home with YOUR children and suddenly Welfare seems like a system that isn't doing what it should be.
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The Bible posted:There is fraud in our welfare systems. It is by no means the norm, and it is not a good idea to abolish welfare entirely because a tiny fraction are breaking the rules. Never really said it was, and I'm definitely not near 100 percent in either direction. It's just, when I'm working 55+ hour weeks on top of going to class in the evenings and getting legitimately injured during my day (commercial construction) that I have to see overweight middle-aged white and black men and women getting comp and going to the doctor constantly over whatever stupid aches and pains they have. Yesterday was easily the first time I'd been to the doctor for anything in at least two years.
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Meatball posted:...words. I'm pointing out the problems with government contractors. I think DMV workers around here (Tennessee) actually make more than $10/hr, but I'm not 100% sure. Anyway, that is about what would happen. I understand that the whole point of a business is to make money, but there's an ethical consideration in there too. It isn't ethical what a lot of government contractors do, which is exploit the inefficiency and ignorance of the government to make more money for doing less. They aren't about offering a service and letting the merits of their service sell it. They're about abusing their connections to the government to get paid as much as possible while providing the bare minimum of service. In reality, the government needs to man-up and write some pretty harsh contracts. None of this 40% budget overrun for a project delivered 80% done and five years too late.
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cory ad portas posted:I have to see overweight middle-aged white and black men and women getting comp Oh, sorry that your experience offended your bigotry.
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Three Olives posted:Oh, sorry that your experience offended your bigotry. What? That was what it was. I was trying to describe to other people that it was all kinds of people.
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One of my friends recently had sharp pains - like crippling pain, not "ouch that hurts" pain - and went to the ER where he was misdiagnosed. Later, his appendix burst and he needed an immediate appendectomy in order to not die. He has like $40,000 in medical debt and works for around $10 an hour as a waiter. I have no idea how he's going to get out from under that.
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cory ad portas posted:Never really said it was, and I'm definitely not near 100 percent in either direction. It's just, when I'm working 55+ hour weeks on top of going to class in the evenings and getting legitimately injured during my day (commercial construction) that I have to see overweight middle-aged white and black men and women getting comp and going to the doctor constantly over whatever stupid aches and pains they have. Yesterday was easily the first time I'd been to the doctor for anything in at least two years. I see that every day here. You see, Korea has UHC. It's a good thing, more people should go to the hospital more often. Anyone who wants to restrict them is a selfish gently caress. I'm sure your "legitimate" injury sucks. Not being overweight myself, I can only guess here, but I would guess those overweight middle aged men and women you saw were probably not in a position of great comfort themselves. But yeah, gently caress them for wanting to get medical attention to alleviate their discomfort.
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cory ad portas posted:What? That was what it was. I was trying to describe to other people that it was all kinds of people. Oh dear. Good luck with college?
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Azure Renraku posted:I think DMV workers around here (Tennessee) actually make more than $10/hr, but I'm not 100% surelate. Clearly we need a race to the bottom because I want my DMV workers making less money than the minimum wage. Good god no wonder this country is so broken. cory ad portas posted:What? That was what it was. I was trying to describe to other people that it was all kinds of people. So you got mad because they're overweight? Bad food is cheap as gently caress in this country so clearly their free access to healthy foods needs to be decreased even further. Most of the overweight 'illegals' I see out here work ten times harder than the buff surfer guys but eh.
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Guys, don't call him a racist, maybe he's just subtly arguing in favor of traditional chinese and ayurvedic medicines.
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Azure Renraku posted:I'm pointing out the problems with government contractors. I think DMV workers around here (Tennessee) actually make more than $10/hr, but I'm not 100% sure. Anyway, that is about what would happen. I understand that the whole point of a business is to make money, but there's an ethical consideration in there too. You're problem isn't the government per se, but the corruption that comes from a profit-driven system such as ours. Those government contractors are private companies whose owners are friends with people in government, who have friends appointed into oversight positions, so nobody actually cares to do something about it. However, if you fill the government with people who actually want it to run nice, instead of using it as an engine to funnel money to themselves and their friends, it actually works out ok. And just out of curiosity, what ethical considerations would a private company make that a government wouldn't? edit: I know this is pointed out before, but do you want DMV workers to earn less? $10-$15 an hour isn't enough to support a family on, how would cutting their pay work out? edit2: ah, you don't. Sorry about that. Meatball fucked around with this message at Jul 13, 2011 around 00:11 |
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I just don't understand why business and government don't simply realize that Healthy Populous + Happy Populous = More Productive Populous. Is it really that loving hard to figure out? Oh right, gently caress you got mine. Because people will unironically rather everything be worse for everyone if at least some others have it worse than them.
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Zifnab posted:One of my friends recently had sharp pains - like crippling pain, not "ouch that hurts" pain - and went to the ER where he was misdiagnosed. Later, his appendix burst and he needed an immediate appendectomy in order to not die. Hint: He's not. And he'll likely be stuck in that $10 an hour job as a waiter because he won't be able to get school loans with that kind of debt load. He probably won't be able to get any other jobs or loans, either. His credit score will suffer and it will take him seven years to recover. And the worst part is, no one in power cares. Not a single gently caress is given by anyone that isn't in a similar situation, in this forum, or that isn't he himself.
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Meatball posted:You're problem isn't the government per se, but the corruption that comes from a system such as ours. I have no issue with their pay. To the person above, yeah, I'm not advocating reducing their pay. What they make has nothing to do with my argument here. A company will make NO ethical considerations if it isn't forced to by law. If they could get it cleared through their legal department, they'd be charging people $5k that want a driver's license, and making them use only 'approved' vehicles from their rental company next door to take the driving test. Also any crime will get your license revoked, but you can always renew it the next day for another $5k.
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Lord Solitare posted:I've actually heard that argument a lot. I think it's less to do with state sponsored laziness and more to do with people throwing themselves deep in to debt thinking it'll all be paid for. I've talked with a fair share of people in my line of work who were deep into debt and had like, three banks hounding them for money and I can say that once they reach that point it's not about thinking the government will take care of them. It's thinking "welp, I'm screwed no matter what I do, so might as well do nothing." People seriously on the edge of despair and see no way out, caught in a catch-22 that has squeezed them out of any kind of opportunity and all they have is a pittance of a welfare check to fall back on. They pretty much suffer from clinical depression brought on by their economic situation, and him looking from the outside saying "ugh just a bunch of welfare queens surfing on the taxpayer's money" is pretty sickening.
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cory ad portas posted:Never really said it was, and I'm definitely not near 100 percent in either direction. It's just, when I'm working 55+ hour weeks on top of going to class in the evenings and getting legitimately injured during my day (commercial construction) that I have to see overweight middle-aged white and black men and women getting comp and going to the doctor constantly over whatever stupid aches and pains they have. Yesterday was easily the first time I'd been to the doctor for anything in at least two years. I'm not going to judge but I'll just say that if I were in your shoes I'd be focusing less on the people crowding up the waiting rooms with trivial issues, because that's really not the problem here. I'd be angry at working a 55+ hour per week job of (What I am assuming) is hard physical labor and getting jack poo poo healthcare-wise out of it. And if you're not angry about it then I'm going to be angry for you because someone working that much in a blue collar job deserves better. You should be able to see a doctor several times a year without any worry at all about cost.
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cory ad portas posted:Never really said it was, and I'm definitely not near 100 percent in either direction. It's just, when I'm working 55+ hour weeks on top of going to class in the evenings and getting legitimately injured during my day (commercial construction) that I have to see overweight middle-aged white and black men and women getting comp and going to the doctor constantly over whatever stupid aches and pains they have. Yesterday was easily the first time I'd been to the doctor for anything in at least two years. So you saw other people and instantly knew that their cases were spurious and you had the only Real Manly Injury in the room. Did the doctors have you sign off on their charts or was this some kind of healing gift you have innately?
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cory ad portas posted:Never really said it was, and I'm definitely not near 100 percent in either direction. It's just, when I'm working 55+ hour weeks on top of going to class in the evenings and getting legitimately injured during my day (commercial construction) that I have to see overweight middle-aged white and black men and women getting comp and going to the doctor constantly over whatever stupid aches and pains they have. Yesterday was easily the first time I'd been to the doctor for anything in at least two years. Why are you angry at them? How do you know what their situations and statuses were? Does being middle-aged and overweight preclude them from deserving care somehow? Why do feel you deserve it more because you work 55+ hours a week and take classes at night? Why do you assume they might not be doing something similar in terms of work and education. And even if they aren't doing something similar, why does that make them less deserving of care than you? Why do you classify their aches and pains as "stupid"?
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Bizarro Watt posted:I'm not going to judge but I'll just say that if I were in your shoes I'd be focusing less on the people crowding up the waiting rooms with trivial issues, because that's really not the problem here. I'd be angry at working a 55+ hour per week job of (What I am assuming) is hard physical labor and getting jack poo poo healthcare-wise out of it. And if you're not angry about it then I'm going to be angry for you because someone working that much in a blue collar job deserves better. You should be able to see a doctor several times a year without any worry at all about cost. I'm not mad a the people crowding up the emergency rooms for trivial things like sniffles. I'm mad at the way our country has forced them to. Can they afford $50 for a three minute visit to the family doctor? Probably not. Can they afford the tests they'll want to run? Probably not. The emergency room is probably the only way they can get health care because health care places know that they can't pay so won't even waste their time without a pre-payment. I'd totally go to the emergency room for a minor infection if I couldn't afford the $50 up front at a clinic just to get my foot in the door. You just can't make it with any kind of health issue if you don't have insurance.
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Meatball posted:edit: and for the record, here in New Jersey, the lovely driving capital of the world, I'm in and out of the DMV in less than 10 minutes, and we didn't have to privatize squat. NJ did privatize DMV in the 90s, but it was such a disaster that the state took it back, reformed it for real, and now it's much better than both of the previous systems.
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Azure Renraku posted:I'm not mad a the people crowding up the emergency rooms for trivial things like sniffles. I'm mad at the way our country has forced them to. Can they afford $50 for a three minute visit to the family doctor? Probably not. Can they afford the tests they'll want to run? Probably not. The emergency room is probably the only way they can get health care because health care places know that they can't pay so won't even waste their time without a pre-payment. That was basically one of my points so I think we're in agreement.  Also I was responding to cory ad portas.
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Bizarro Watt posted:I'm not going to judge but I'll just say that if I were in your shoes I'd be focusing less on the people crowding up the waiting rooms with trivial issues, because that's really not the problem here. I'd be angry at working a 55+ hour per week job of (What I am assuming) is hard physical labor and getting jack poo poo healthcare-wise out of it. And if you're not angry about it then I'm going to be angry for you because someone working that much in a blue collar job deserves better. You should be able to see a doctor several times a year without any worry at all about cost. No, more healthcare would mean socialism. The solution is obviously for those "lesser" people to receive even worse healthcare than he did, that way, they know who is better.
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Griz posted:NJ did privatize DMV in the 90s, but it was such a disaster that the state took it back, reformed it for real, and now it's much better than both of the previous systems. I remember when this happened, and all the people who were going "Oh, thank god, they're going to privatize it and it will be so much better!" were so sadly surprised when it turned into an even worse clusterfuck than ever. I had to get my license during that time period, and it turned into such a nightmare because I had a State ID before I got it. They couldn't even keep proper track of the documents they were issuing. They took my ID away and wanted me to drive back to where I had taken my driver's test (over 25 miles away). I caused a fuss over having to drive back and forth again, this time with only a signed piece of paper as a license and no valid photo ID. They finally ended up telling the testing center to fax the form I had "forgotten." Because that was so goddamn complicated that having someone drive a long distance with no photo ID and no actual valid license made more sense somehow. Now it's rare if you spend an hour at an MVC in this state. But yeah, privatization is always better!
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It's reading articles like this that remind me why I get so invested in stuff like making Smash Mouth eat eggs. I can't handle this anymore, I'm gonna make some empty-handed threats about moving to Canada.
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TrixRabbi posted:It's reading articles like this that remind me why I get so invested in stuff like making Smash Mouth eat eggs. I can't handle this anymore, I'm gonna make some empty-handed threats about moving to Canada. Go all out. Make fake threats about moving to Scandinavia. 
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The Bible posted:No, more healthcare would mean socialism. The solution is obviously for those "lesser" people to receive even worse healthcare than he did, that way, they know who is better. I think I'll give him the benefit of a doubt on his criticisms of the system. I usually save the sarcastic jabs for certain other jerk off posters that shall not be named.
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