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NC-17: Nov 6, 2002; I won my Super Bowls before they were mainstream. You've probably never even heard of them.

I wish Randy Moss would come back to the Patriots, but it's never going to happen. I fear he's going to end up like TO; bouncing around the league the next few years until age and injuries finally catch up with him. He could have spent the remainder of his career padding his HOF resume with a HOF quarterback. drat you Randy Moss and your insecurities!

# ¿ Jul 18, 2011 21:21

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# ¿ May 20, 2013 17:02

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HeroOfTheRevolution posted:

Moss wasn't a very good football player last year, lest we forget. It's less his personality and more that his skills are fading quickly with age. There's probably no need for the Patriots to sign a receiver, but Sidney Rice is the one I'd go after if there was.

I think the biggest signing the Patriots will make is bringing back Light and Mankins. They might bring in an OLB, but it's going to be Mark Anderson or something and not one of the bigger names.

Judging Moss's performance based on last year is hardly fair considering the circumstances (which he admittedly helped create). If nothing else he is still probably the best redzone target in the NFL.

I don't think the Patriots will have Light or Mankins this year. I think with all that happened last year, and now with this demand for $10 million dollars that there's just too much bad blood between the team and Mankins for them to work it out. As for Light, well Volmer already filled in half a season two years ago and did a better job than Light who went to the ProBowl (lol) that year. And his long term replacement, Solder, is waiting in the wings anyway.

# ¿ Jul 19, 2011 15:32

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Just what Miami needs, another project quarterback that won't pan out.

# ¿ Jul 19, 2011 20:20

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I don't know how he held onto that football. It doesn't even look like a pump fake.

# ¿ Jul 20, 2011 00:59

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Defense - Vince Wilfork

Offense ....... Vince Wilfork.

# ¿ Jul 23, 2011 00:44

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FizFashizzle posted:

I doubt many players don't know where they're going.

So do I. They're all going to the Redskins. First team composed entirely of free agents.

# ¿ Jul 25, 2011 13:27

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Bigass Moth posted:

What "causes" is Peter talking about?

NY just passed some crazy marriage law and Aso knows it's the Lord's work to see it repealed.

# ¿ Jul 25, 2011 14:10

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Are you aware of how much money Aso is going to demand on the open market? It will be insane.

# ¿ Jul 25, 2011 14:26

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Ravens have cut Derrick Mason. Wonder if he'll call it a career.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 01:08

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PFT's "Top 80" FA List. Randy Moss is apparently a worse receiver than someone who hasn't played football for two years because he's been in prison. Useful as a recap of who's available, anyway.

1. Nnamdi Asomugha, Raiders CB: A Hall of Fame player still in his prime. Rare.

2. Johnathan Joseph, Bengals CB: Hardly Asomugha, but Joseph has Pro Bowl-caliber playmaking skills at a young age.

3. Santonio Holmes, Jets WR: Arguably one of the 10 best receivers in football. Could explode on a pass-first team.

4. Charles Johnson, Panthers DE: There is some concern he�s a one-year wonder, but Johnson�s ability to get to the quarterback stands out in this class.

5. Zach Miller, Raiders TE: One of the most complete tight ends in football just entering his prime.

6. DeAngelo Williams, Panthers RB: He can play all three downs and is effective in any down and distance situation.

7. Cullen Jenkins, Packers DL: A versatile lineman that can disrupt on all three downs.

8. Marshall Yanda, Ravens G: Position flexibility and toughness will make this unknown player rich.

9. Ahmad Bradshaw, Giants RB: A wildly underrated playmaker who has improved dramatically in his career.

10. Sidney Rice, Vikings WR: No. 1 receiver skills, but plenty of risk here.

11. Tyson Clabo, Falcons T: Plug him in as your right tackle for at least a few years.

12. Doug Free, Cowboys T: Surprisingly good play in 2010 will make him costly for the Cowboys to keep.

13. Braylon Edwards, Jets WR: Overrated. Even on this list.

14. Ray Edwards, Vikings DE: How will he fare without Jared Allen and the Williams Wall attracting attention? May get overpaid.

15. Ike Taylor, Steelers CB: A solid cornerback, but the Steelers rarely let players leave too early. Expect one more good year, two is a bonus.

16. Matt Roth, Browns LB: A complete outside linebacker that still hasn�t uncorked his pass-rushing potential.

17. Davin Joseph, Bucs G: A lot of different opinions out there on Joseph. He�s a mauler in the run game.

18. Aubrayo Franklin, 49ers DT: A quick solution for teams needing a run stopper. Perhaps a late career Pat Williams.

19. Brandon Mebane, Seahawks DT: Plenty of upside for this run stopper. A boom or bust pick.

20. Eric Weddle, Chargers S: A lot of teams need a safety that can cover.

21. Mathias Kiwanuka, LB/DE: If not for his neck injury, he�d be ranked in the top five on this list. Worth a gamble.

22. Robert Gallery, Raiders G: A more-than-capable starter at guard.

23. Antonio Cromartie, Jets CB: He�s never going to be better than he was for Rex Ryan, and he wasn�t that good then.

24. Kevin Boss, Giants TE: The poor man�s Zach Miller. He�s easily better than half the starters in the league because of his complete game.

25. Justin Blalock, Falcons G: Young starting guards tend to get overpaid in free agency.

26. Barett Ruud, Bucs LB: Perhaps he�s not a huge playmaker, but you�ll get leadership and production from Ruud.

27, Harvey Dahl, Falcons G: If you want to inject your line with a little nastiness, Dahl is your guy.

28. Steve Smith, Giants WR: Like Kiwanuka, he�d be far higher (top 10) if not for any injury. A worthwhile risk because he should be great in 2012 and beyond.

29. Stephen Tulloch, Titans LB: Can do a lot of things as a starting linebacker.

30. Paul Posluszny, Bills LB: The Bills seem serious about keeping him.

31. Roman Harper, Saints S: He�s not great in coverage, but don�t let one playoff game fool you. Harper is a quality starter.

32. Jason Babin, Titans DE: A tricky evaluation coming off a career year.

33. Carlos Rogers, Redskins CB: He�s shown flashes, but struggles with consistency. The right coach could make a big difference.

34. Matt Hasselbeck, Seahawks QB: Can still play at a high level if surrounded by the right piece. Not a long-term solution.

35. Santana Moss, Redskins WR: Still highly productive. A smart player.

36. Jermon Bushrod, Saints T: Probably worth more to the Saints than anyone else, but a league avearage left tackle. That has value.

37. Steve Breaston, Cardinals WR: An injury risk but speed kills. He could make a big difference to a wideout group.

38. Ronnie Brown, Dolphins RB: Can handle short-yardage and third downs equally well. Still plenty of value as a rotational back.

39. Darren Sproles, Chargers RB: Reggie Bush�s skill set (or better) without the drama.

40. Matt Light, Patriots T: A fine short-term solution for teams needing blind side help.

41. James Jones, Packers WR

42. Jared Gaither, Ravens T

43. Dashon Goldson, 49ers S

44. Lance Moore, Saints WR

45. Josh Wilson, Ravens CB

46. Quintin Mikell, Eagles S

47. Joseph Addai, Colts RB

48. Malcom Floyd, Chargers WR

49. Michael Huff, Raiders S

50. Clint Session, Colts LB

51. Quincy Black, Bucs LB

52. Cedric Benson, Bengals RB

53. Shaun Ellis, Jets DE

54. Willie Colon, Steelers T

55. Dawan Landry, Ravens S

56. Chris Carr, Ravens CB

57. Mike Sims-Walker, Jaguars WR

58. Kevin Burnett, Chargers LB

59. Kirk Morrison, Jaguars LB

60. Jammal Brown, Redskins T

61. Marc Bulger, Ravens QB

62. Jason Snelling, Falcons RB

63. Bo Scaife, Titans TE

64. Stewart Bradley, Eagles LB

65. Alex Smith, 49ers QB

66. James Anderson, Panthers LB

67. Manny Lawson, 49ers LB

68. Barry Cofield, Giants DL

69. Cliff Avril, Lions DL

70. Richard Marshall, Panthers CB

71. Plaxico Burress, Giants WR

72. Melvin Bullitt, Colts S

73. Brandon Jackson, Packers RB

74. Tommie Harris, Bears DL

75. Ricky Williams, Dolphins RB

76. Daryn Colledge, Packers G

77. Drayton Florence, Bills CB

78. Le�Ron McClain, Ravens FB

79. Ernie Sims, Eagles LB

80. Randy Moss, Titans WR

Just missed: Leroy Harris, Leroy Hill, Mark Clayton, Tarvaris Jackson, Brodney Pool, Cadillac Williams, Justin Durant, Andre Carter, Clinton Portis, Jerious Norwood, Jerome Harrison, Kevin Smith, Terrell Owens, Tiki Barber, Tyler Thigpen, Brodie Croyle.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 14:05

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For what it's worth the Patriots are high on Hoyer and went with him as their #2 last season without any vet waiting in the wings.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 15:24

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Perhaps it may be huge long term money that he'll never see, since he's only a stopgap solution anyway.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 15:57

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Thank god. I'd rather see more opportunities for younger, unknown quantities than TBC flailing away.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 16:05

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Ehud posted:

I thought Pats fans loved TBC.

Seven years ago.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 16:12

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fnordcircle posted:

<- Pats fan who likes Tully.

He's got his weaknesses, but he was a spark on defenses at times and I can't see how removing our best pure speed rusher is going to help our pass rush but Belichick, koolaid, etc.

When he was playing, Mike Wright was by far the better pass rusher than TBC last season.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 16:55

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GonadTheBallbarian posted:

Oh poo poo that's right; did Mike ever recover or has he called it a career?

The last I read about him it sounded like he was 100% for this season.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 16:56

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quote:

According to ESPN's Chris Mortensen, the Eagles and Dolphins have "done a lot of work evaluating" Vince Young this offseason.
Both teams have been connected to Young, so this is hardly a surprise. VY would be an upgrade on Chad Henne as a nice fit for the Dolphins' run-first offense. He would obviously have to accept a "make-good" contract to rehab his image as Michael Vick's backup in Philadelphia.

Could you just imagine Vince trying to handle the pressure of playing QB in Philadelphia?

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 17:11

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^^ Sweet mother of god yes.

Ehud posted:

Patriots.

No, that inn is very full.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 18:08

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Cardinals are going to release DA.

quote:

The Cardinals will reportedly release QB Derek Anderson.
Anderson stands as a bipedal monument to short-sightedness and a lack of scouting acumen in Arizona. A career 52.6 percent passer, a scattershot Anderson held the offense hostage early in the season before getting pulled for undrafted rookie Max Hall. Anderson was due to earn just over $4 million. He will be lucky to collect half of that in a pure backup role this year.

What's Matt Leinart up to these days?

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 18:51

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quote:

A team source tells CBS Sports' Clark Judge that the Redskins are willing to take "anything they can gain in return" in a trade for Albert Haynesworth.
The same source insists two things: 1) Haynesworth will be traded and not cut, and 2) the Redskins will make sure he doesn't go to the division rival Eagles with old line coach Jim Washburn. "They'll give him away for a ham sandwich instead of cutting him and running the risk of his showing up in Philadelphia," said the source. Aside from the Eagles, Haynesworth's market is unclear at this time. He's expected to show for Redskins camp later this week.

Is Haynesworth worth a ham sandwich?

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 20:15

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GonadTheBallbarian posted:

It would be hilarious if that's what he was actually traded for. Like, give a ham sandwich to Snyder with a lot of media attention and just watch him eat it as he signs over Haynesworth.

I'd watch the gently caress out of that.

Has any trade ever taken place that involved something wacky? Like something besides swapping players, picks or coaches?

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 20:22

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sean10mm posted:

Just to give an idea of how much you can still manipulate the poo poo out of the salary cap, apparently the Cowboys expect to free up $17.5 million in cap space by ~restructuring~ the contracts of Romo, Austin and Ware this week. That plus the $16.6 million in cap space they saved with today's cuts of a few washed-up guys means that they've gone from being hopelessly over the new cap to being way under it.

Source

Restructuring a player's contract to spread money out or move it around isn't really nefarious. Except for the player who agrees to it.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 21:00

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As big a slacker as he is, I don't think Leinart has ever really been given a fair shot. He was stuck behind Warner, and then ended up in Wisenhunt's doghouse for not being as rah-rah as Derek Anderson. I hope he has a shot at starting.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 21:21

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Jerome Harrison's career is a mystery to me.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 21:46

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C-Euro posted:

The Jets going after Aso makes the most sense out of any team tied to his name. Think about it- your division has been ruled by Tom Brady for the last decade, and the other two teams rely more on their passing game than their running game as of late. Who in the AFCE has a good enough running game to make up for Revis and Aso being in the same backfield?

EDIT: Maybe it's a bit premature, but if the Jets land Asomugha they will win the AFC and probably the Super Bowl.

Welp, might as well ship the Lombardi to NYC today and save some time.

# ¿ Jul 27, 2011 00:52

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sc4rs posted:

The Patriots have three solid tight ends on the roster, two of whom are absolutely gargantuan, drafted an equally-gargantuan LT with their first pick, and drafted two new RBs while having a 1000 yard rusher and two very good 3rd down backs on the roster.

Now about those wide receivers....

# ¿ Jul 27, 2011 01:33

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jeffersonlives posted:

Chris Mortensen reported this morning that proximity to theatre opportunities is an important factor for Asomugha vis a vis the Jets.

Who the hell knows whether that's true or not.

That is just so ridiculous it has to be true.

# ¿ Jul 27, 2011 01:40

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Lieutenant Centaur posted:

Brad Smith is garbage. Nor does he fit the mold as a #2 WR opposite Branch. We need a guy who can fill that role so Welker can go back to playing the slot. Smith would be an upgrade as the #4 over the likes of Jenkins, Price, Tate and Edelman.

The Patriots don't need a #2, that's what Welker and Branch are for. They need a #1.

# ¿ Jul 27, 2011 14:05

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Most of those guys are all good receivers (with Tate and Price the unknowns), but none of them are any kind of deep threat that needs to be respected. The closest out of the bunch at this point is Hernandez. I don't have too much faith in the Patriots WR drafting acumen to put much stock in Tate and Price, and it will be a small miracle if Branch is able to play two seasons in a row without any major injury. That leaves one actual WR who's reliable and proven.

# ¿ Jul 27, 2011 14:40

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I hope Holmes broke the bank.

# ¿ Jul 27, 2011 14:43

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sc4rs posted:

Who was the threat that needed to be respected in 2001, 2003, or 2004?

I'm so tired of this stupid argument. The Patriots had multiple very good to decent receivers when they won those Superbowls. No, they weren't Randy Moss, but they weren't Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney either. Also the league has changed. Defenses have changed, offenses have changed since those championships. Just because something worked seven years ago doesn't mean it's still a winning strategy.

# ¿ Jul 27, 2011 14:50

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Henchman of Santa posted:

Am I the only one that actually likes the Bengals move to not trade Palmer?

Guys demand trades all the time, but being such a stinkyhole that you'd rather retire than stick it out for another year in your bad situation and maybe actually try to improve it seems like it shouldn't be rewarded. I feel like if Mike Brown wasn't such a phenomenally terrible owner who was probably responsible for Palmer being disgruntled in the first place, he would get at least slightly less criticism for this one decision.

Or maybe I just think the Bengals throwing a giant middle finger to Palmer is hilarious.

A good manager of personnel knows that anyone is up for trades. Bill Belichick stressed that a few years ago in an interview. He specifically said there wasn't a player on the roster _{except Brady} who wasn't available for trade if someone called and the value was right for the Patriots. Yeah Carson Palmer is being selfish by refusing to play for the team he's under contract too. But Mike Brown is being even more selfish by satisfying his own ego instead of getting his team the maximum amount of value possible for Carson Palmer. Getting a 2nd or 3rd round pick in 2012 is of far greater value to the Bengals than having him sit at home for a year.

# ¿ Jul 27, 2011 15:13

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Evoq posted:

Am I the only one who thinks that Nnamdi is gonna stay with the Raiders? Its already well into day 3 for the teams who have been rumored to be looking into him, and one would think that there would have been backroom deals being done throughout the lockout for a guy like him, leading to near instantaneous contract signings. Not to mention he knows drat well that Al Davis will drop fat stacks when he wants a player, if money is an issue for Nnamdi (nothing Ive ever read about him makes me think he cares about getting a big payday). Granted my logic makes zero sense considering the Raiders havent said thing one about him, but still.

I think it was pretty well known that he wanted out of Oakland and to play for a winning team.

# ¿ Jul 27, 2011 15:22

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You know who smiled a lot? Pol Pot.

# ¿ Jul 27, 2011 16:02

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Slight lead? What the gently caress does that even mean? He doesn't know poo poo.

# ¿ Jul 27, 2011 16:17

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I don't think most players in the NFL who have been successful for any length of time really have the skillset to be coaches. There was a great article that examined the record of NFL and college players who have gone on to coaching positions, and it wasn't pretty. The gist of it was basically the shorter your football career the better a coach you'll be. Guys with natural ability don't have to put in the study and hard work that is required to be a good coach.

# ¿ Jul 27, 2011 16:32

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Ehud posted:

More spec on Orton:

NFL Network reporter in Denver just said the Bronco's are in "serious" talks with Dolphins and deal could be done in the next 6 hours.

I'm waiting for the next tweet that says the Jets are now in serious contention for Orton.

# ¿ Jul 27, 2011 17:13

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Dragongem posted:

Speaking of twitter:

McClain: "Leinart told Kubiak he wanted to sign with a team that would give him a chance to start."

Then he signed with the Texans which puts his chances of starting at... never! Guess somebody realized he wasn't very good.

To be fair Schaub has a history of injuries. So he does have a pretty good chance of starting a few games this year. Maybe he's hoping to create a QB controversy!!

# ¿ Jul 27, 2011 18:22

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Real hurthling! posted:

Any important Jets moves in the last 400 posts?

All FA's love Rex Ryan and want to play for him and Tannenbaum is a cap genius who has the team $100 million under the cap so they will be signing all available free agents.

# ¿ Jul 27, 2011 18:24

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# ¿ May 20, 2013 17:02

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Stupid Dick posted:

I've never understood why everyone is so high on Kolb. I'm not calling him horrible, but I've not seen anything from him that would put him in the tier at which most seem to be placing him.

He's obviously better than what Arizona currently has in place, but why wouldn't you go for someone like Orton who is (I believe) equally as good and would not require as much in return?

Matt Schaub was traded for a 1st based mostly on one game where his team lost.

# ¿ Jul 27, 2011 18:28

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