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mishaco posted:Thanks for the corrections. There is a LOT of misinformation on the American side of the atlantic about the 55x series in general. Reforger posted:There is one cause. Ron "loving rear end in a top hat" Cohen. Care to elaborate on this a little bit? I'm always curious about how/why the Swiss/German end of the SIG universe thinks that the American arm are a pack of dickheads. Chrieger posted:This behavior from SIG USA does not surprise me at all, they're bloody tossers. 30 rounders. Besides the normal magazine level markers they have, on the right side near the front of the mag body and towards the base, from the top down: demann-agch (this is running vertically) edit: just found this same mark on the inside of the hinge of the stock, for what it's worth. Some quick googling makes it look like this is a Swiss company that manufactures random poo poo for Swiss Arms. 1835 1 a wheel-shaped circle of numbers with an arrow in it pointing to one of the numbers, and a pair of numbers flanking the arrow. On one mag the arrow is in the middle of the number eleven (so, it looks like so: 1 "arrow" 1) and the arrow is pointing at the number six in the outer wheel. On the other mag the arrow is in the middle of the number 10 and is pointing at the number 12. L (in a circle made up of a spot where the kind of matte texture of the mag is smooth and shiny) I can get pictures if you want, but my camera is in a drawer and I'm PROFOUNDLY lazy this morning. infrared35 posted:I think you need to flesh this part out some more. You need to take the pistol grip off by unscrewing a nut that goes down through the lower - it's basically the exact opposite of how an AR grip is held on (screw goes down through the lower rather than up through the grip). Be careful removing the grip, as there is a detent and spring for the rear pin that is held in by the grip, same as on an AR. It's not as under tension as it is on the AR, but I still had the detent slide out on me when I wasn't paying attention and got to search my carpet for a minute or two. On the up side, I'm pretty sure if you lost it you could use the regular AR detent, so it would be both cheap and easy to replace. With the grip off you will notice a set screw behind the plunger that the trigger contacts when you pull it. If you have a pair of small hex wrenches things will go a LOT easier, as there is a rear hex bolt that you need to immobilize in order to make twisting the set screw actually do anything. I kind of hillbillied a solution with a pair of needle nosed pliers that I wrapped the teeth in electrical tape. You can screw that set screw in or out to change the point that the trigger contacts it at. With the lower in my lap and the magwell pointed away from my body (so the top of the lower pointing towards my belly) I needed to rotate the set screw towards me to shorten the second stage pull. I can get some pictures if you want, but once you get the grip off it's not too difficult to figure out. Honestly I'm pretty loving shocked that they didn't discuss this feature in the manual. The only reason I knew about it was that Misha told me. Honestly I'm thinking that a lot of the reputation for the 556 trigger being shittier than the real 550/1 triggers might be because SIG never told anyone that the drat things were adjustable and they shipped with some factory preset that was either random or erring on the side of long and heavy for liability reasons. Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at Nov 13, 2011 around 17:27 |
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Yeah, i don't know why "adjustable trigger' isn't promently anounced by SIG all over the place. People love that kind of a feature. As i said, i was less than impressed with mine until i did it. It did take me about 4 tries to get it right where i wanted it. You can definitely make it too light...probably good for bump firing, but not much else. I have no problem with mine's trigger now. its excellent for a battlerifle type and still good even for a target rifle on the AR15 scale. I have noted some grumbling online about the trigger guard. I think i did mention this on page #1. Yeah it would have been nice to have a true sidefolding guard like the original Swiss ones. Instead we get an AR15 style. Its perfectly usable and is not a problem; its just not original Swiss styling. SIG says it was a cost cutting measure and i can buy that. If it allowed them to take say $50 off the price, i think it was worth it to most consumers. That all said, the original 551-A1 prototype lowers did not have any kind of hendged triggerguard so i am glad they at least went with an AR style one. I don't use gloves often but its nice to know i can you know? I have had my 551-A1 for nearly 4 months now. Its still one of the most popular rifles at the range and still has yet to choke on even the cheapest ammo. I am glad i popped for the Swiss handguards and Swiss sights. They really complete it. I am also glad i went with a bayo lug and MFI Swiss style takedown pins. They add nothing to the functionality, but didn't cost much and also complete the look.
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Yeah, I'm getting new sights for my rifle the very second I can afford them. My target AR and my K31 have taught me that even though a logical part of my brain recoils from spending too much on irons, every time I do lay out for seriously nice irons I always absolutely LOVE the purchase. In a way I'm kind of glad that SIG prices the diopter that came with the gun so high - I can almost certainly swing at least $75 for it if I turn around and sell it to someone with a 556 or something and push that towards a real Swiss drum on a rail. Misha, can you do me a favor? Measure the clearance between the top of the drum sight on your gun and the top of the rail that it's part of. I'm trying to figure out if the LaRue mount I've got right now will clear that, or if I'll need to buy a higher mount. I had a lot of fun with the glass that I threw on the SIG for the accuracy test, and if I can I'd like to be able to use it with the drum + rail combo that you've got. Unfortunately I know for a fact it won't clear the drum that shipped with the rifle.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Care to elaborate on this a little bit? I'm always curious about how/why the Swiss/German end of the SIG universe thinks that the American arm are a pack of dickheads. First Sigsauer USA was manufacturing frames for German guns that they then assembled in the USA (if I am correct) Now they are manufacturing all but a few models in the US. First Sigsauer USA was distributing Swissarms rifles to the Military and law enforcement. Now they are manufacturing a lot of 55X style rifles in the US. It is a power play in the holding structure that owns all these businesses. Ron Cohen wants to be the big fish in the pond and fully take over both pistol and rifle manufacturing. As the US market is the biggest with the most money in it, he has more power than Sigsauer DE or Swissarms. And these two companies are being bled dry. Ron should be call Schächter and not Cohen.
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Cyrano4747 posted:a wheel-shaped circle of numbers with an arrow in it pointing to one of the numbers, and a pair of numbers flanking the arrow. On one mag the arrow is in the middle of the number eleven (so, it looks like so: 1 "arrow" 1) and the arrow is pointing at the number six in the outer wheel. On the other mag the arrow is in the middle of the number 10 and is pointing at the number 12. Are you sure those aren't the production date stamps?
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Steak Flavored Gum posted:Are you sure those aren't the production date stamps? Could be - I have no loving clue what any of those markings mean, I was just describing them for Chrieger. Production date stamps would seem to make sense though.
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Yeah, can measure the sights. The set i have is the same height as the Swiss sights because they are. Basically what CGS did was to take Swiss diopters that normally would need to be welded on and modify them to fit behind a normal SIG top rail that was cut off after the 2nd screw hole. The sights themselves were made in Swiss-land and the work to make them fit 556 types was done in Germany. You can also buy just plain old clamp-on diopters from Switzerland but they are taller than the original 55x style.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Could be - I have no loving clue what any of those markings mean, I was just describing them for Chrieger. If they're like this, then they're date codes: 
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infrared35 posted:If they're like this, then they're date codes: Yup, that's it. I'm guessing that mine would be manufactured in December 2010 and June 2011 then. Which means that I was actually in Zürich, visiting and shooting guns with Reforger and Chrieger, in the same month that one of my swiss mags was made. That is now the "Cyrano Swiss Trip 2010 Commemorative SIG magazine."
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So see, it worked out good you got 30 rounders instead of 20 rounders. AGain sorry about that buddy. CDNN told me they stopped shipping with the smaller mags because people kept saying they wanted the 30 rounders. Also, my mags and stock have the same markings as yours. I think even my 20 rounders were made by the same folks. A quick google search confirms what you have already stated about the maker; i.e. they are real Swiss milspec polymer parts.
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Swiss and American friends, how much are you guys paying for the 550 stock cheek riser?
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mikerock posted:Swiss and American friends, how much are you guys paying for the 550 stock cheek riser? I've been looking into these as well. The price point in the US seems to be consistently right around $250 USD. What's it like up in  ?
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Can't find them.
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mikerock posted:Swiss and American friends, how much are you guys paying for the 550 stock cheek riser? Current list price is 220 Swiss.
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Chrieger posted:Current list price is 220 Swiss. I really want to know what you people put in your plastic clip on doodads that make them so much more expensive than our plastic clip on doodads.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I really want to know what you people put in your plastic clip on doodads that make them so much more expensive than our plastic clip on doodads. Chocolate.
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Disdain.
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The ghost of Jules Bosshard.
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Pretty sure I saw them listed in Wolverine's price list - not sure if that means they have them or not. On one hand they are $surprise sex, on the other hand I was at a service rifle shoot and got to handle one with the cheek rest; it was awesome. 
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mikerock posted:Swiss and American friends, how much are you guys paying for the 550 stock cheek riser? We're limited to Colorado Gun Sales for everything 551/556/Swissy https://www.cogunsales.com/index.ph...l-products.html Ebay has one for 70 Canadian right now, but it looks like an airsoft knockoff.
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Uncle Caveman posted:The ghost of Jules Bosshard. Der Geist Jules Bosshard.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I really want to know what you people put in your plastic clip on doodads that make them so much more expensive than our plastic clip on doodads.  Translation: Reputation
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Frag Viper posted:
Yeah, I saw that one, no way in gently caress do I believe for even a second it's legit. Now, the real question is if it's a halfway decent airsoft/chinese knockoff. I've handled enough cheap "Magpul" stuff to know that not all injection molded plastic crap is created equal, yet on the other hand I can't imagine it's too difficult to make half way decent fake swiss plastic doodads. poo poo, look at the el-cheapo 55x/PE90 mags that they make up in Canada. We've got swiss people raving about them in this very thread as being the equal of the Chocolate-Land equivalents at a fraction of the price.
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Why do you say airsoft knockoff?
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mikerock posted:Why do you say airsoft knockoff? Mostly deep seated mistrust of anyone actually selling a legit item on Ebay that appears damned near new for about 20% of what it costs new. The picture also sucks balls, so there's no way to even look at the manufacturer's marks, although those are commonly faked on bootleg poo poo too.
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I was watching that auction from before FV brought it up. I bet one of you guys did the sniping as a result.  I'm sure it's a knockoff but it would hopefully be at least serviceable. It's not like there are moving parts or anything. And the airsoft ones are discontinued anyway so even the knockoffs are "rare" 
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So um yeah....SIG Sauer (USA) selling the 551-A1 complete lower w/ internals & stock for something like $360.00 or just the stock alone for $160 and 30 round mags for just a hair under $40.00 Offer runs until tomorrow or supplies last. All of this right after the big falling out between CDNN and SIG. Bet you SIG is looking to offload 551-A1 specific parts and discontinue the line now that CDN has told them where they can stick their Swiss mags after SIG hosed them over. Hmmmmmm
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One of you motherfuckers sniped me on that cheekrest.
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Mikerock learns an important rule of online---never post an auction that you want to bid on yourself.
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I didn't Frag Viper did.
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Mishaco, are you still taking orders?
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Orders? for what? I run a gunshop so sure, business is always a good thing. Feel free to PM or e-mail me at ozarkbeararms at gmail anytime. I check e-mail about every 30 minutes when i am around the computer. I also welcome phone calls though i don't give out my number on TFR openly--- e-mail for it. As for Swiss stuff...i've given up trying to figure out or justify pricing surrounding it. I do like my Swiss sights a lot and i can't even actually use them! haha
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mikerock posted:I didn't Frag Viper did.  Ill send you nudes to make up for it. I didn't think anyone would actually bid on it though.On a side note, many moons ago when I was a young lad I bought a Marui 551 for a lot of money back then. One of the accessories I bought was a rather expensive cheek rest for it. I should try and find it and see if its real.
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I think you mean counter-sniped. Or is it simply "bidding war" when you try to snipe the high bidder then get sniped yourself by the former high bidder?  Since that was us I guess we unknowingly collaborated to give the seller an extra 50 bucks or so. I spotted that auction on the weekend after shouldering a swiss arms with a rest and deciding I wanted one. I was kind of hoping to just keep high bid on it since it looks like he posted it for sale a couple times with no buyer. But then FRAG VIPER happened. Oh well, c'est la vie. "Hoping no one else notices the auction" isn't exactly a bulletproof strategy. I guess that in a week or two I will discover whether it actually belongs in the "fuckups" thread.
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I got this email from Sig a few days ago:
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I just want a Sig 556 classic lower that takes AR mags and uses the swiss stock.  I called them and they said that it isn't a retail part at this time. Why can't they sell SIG 556C lowers?
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Mister Sinewave posted:I think you mean counter-sniped. Or is it simply "bidding war" when you try to snipe the high bidder then get sniped yourself by the former high bidder? You Mother Fucker Miso bought one for me from Gunbroker for the same price, haha. We should have let our intentions be known here and come to some sort for gentleman's agreement. Also, I was going to try to counterbid but Arc'teryx called me to let me know they were going to replace my non-warranty jacket for free.
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HEY I WAS THERE FIRST  I may have found someone who still has a couple airsoft knockoff ones if this all doesn't work out. Glad we both got what we wanted though. When I saw Frag Viper's post I thought "I bet that's the same auction I'm bidding on" and yup. But foolishly I figured no one seemed to be interested so leaving it be was the best way to avoid drawing more attention to it. I (counter)sniped it from my phone while walking my cat. My hands froze as a result if that's any consolation. Mister Sinewave fucked around with this message at Nov 17, 2011 around 18:29 |
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You walk your cat? 
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I only placed one bid on it, by the way, the last one to 120.
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