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Xenomorph
Jun 13, 2001


mayodreams posted:

Another fun tidbit about the 10.7 Admin Tools: you can't access a 10.6.x Server. I found that wonderful fact this morning. I setup Lion as a OD Master, but the client lost it after a couple of hours, and that caused the AD authentication to fail. Also, adding the OD master on client puts the server in the list, but does not actually bind it, which is loving retarded. This is just another gently caress you to enterprise/education customers following the death of Xserves and the clusterfuck that is FCP X.

Well, thanks to how great 10.7 has turned out, starting today we are testing CentOS 6.0.
Our Xserves are aging, with no migration strategy from Apple, and now it's clear that Mac OS X Server is dead.

Because of how bad SMB/NT Authentication was in 10.5/10.6, we had been trying to migrate users to a Windows Server (Server 2003, again because of SMB authentication issues 10.5/10.6 has with 2008/2008R2). The Windows server handled all our Mac and Linux users fine - but we wanted to continue with Apple's server due to how nicely NFS management was (NFS management is a huge pain on Windows).
I thought 10.7 would be the fix we wanted. All new SMB guts (non-Samba), with the NFS control we had come to rely on. Ha!

So yeah, it looks like our Apple servers are being replaced with Dell PowerEdge systems running Windows Server 2003 R2 and CentOS 6. All that surplus cash we would have spent on Apple will just go to pay for more office parties, I guess.
Our Apple servers are several years old, and leaving them to run "as is" with no upgrade path is not what I want.

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Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

SINATRA.


Dan Hollis posted:

How come I never had this issue before Lion? The whole purpose of private browsing for me is to not have people see the poo poo I read and see here on Something Awful (and porn of course.)

I seem to recall identical behavior in Snow Leopard, but I might just be remembering how Firefox does it. Because Firefox handles private browsing the exact same way.

unruly posted:

instead of sending existing Cookies and other session data, the browser is decoupled from the local resources altogether. This should be seen as an improvement in private browsing.

This.

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

how much do you think this sweaty ceo is worth?

Private Browsing in Safari 5.0.x still respected cookies created when the mode was turned off. All it did (I think) was stop recording history and, when the mode was ended, deleted all cookies created that session.

GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002

The way I figure, there's really not too much future with a sawed-off runt like you.


My co-worker is thinking of going back to Snow Leopard because some of the programs he needs to use are unfortunately older Rosetta based apps which won't run on Lion. I've heard of Lion Server being able to run VMs of 10.7, but I was wondering if it could run 10.6 in a VM environment so he can use older Rosetta apps? If so, how does one go about installing and running a 10.6 VM?

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Dan Hollis posted:

How come I never had this issue before Lion? The whole purpose of private browsing for me is to not have people see the poo poo I read and see here on Something Awful (and porn of course.)

And it still does that! You just have to login again.

x-virge
May 25, 2003



Corbet posted:

Is there any way to move Time Machine backup folders from one computer's time machine folder to another computer's folder?

OS X tells me backup files can't be modified. I'm just trying to get my old MBA's time machine backups onto my new MBA (I didn't restore from a Time Machine backup, I started fresh and when I turned Time Machine on, it created a new backup folder)

You can copy the entire Backups.backupd instead of just portions from inside it.

EoRaptor
Sep 13, 2003

Start a new life with the Power Girl Diet&trade. It worked for me!

Khelmar posted:

Anyone having the immediately pausing network printer issue with Lion? My co-worker and I can't print to our network printers anymore, with the error:

D [25/Jul/2011:16:11:38 -0400] [Job 3] Backend returned status 1 (failed)
D [25/Jul/2011:16:11:38 -0400] [Job 3] Printer stopped due to backend errors; please consult the error_log file for details.
D [25/Jul/2011:16:11:38 -0400] [Job 3] End of messages
D [25/Jul/2011:16:11:38 -0400] [Job 3] printer-state=5(stopped)
D [25/Jul/2011:16:11:38 -0400] [Job 3] printer-state-message="Unable to connect to server"

in Cups' error_log. I've tried re-adding the printers, and resetting the printer system.

Unless Lion has the same weird cups error that 10.6.8 had (and was just recently fixed) this sounds like the drivers are still powerpc based, and only worked due to Rosetta, which Lion no longer supports.

Check with the device manufacturer if this is the case, and if they will be providing native intel code drivers for it. I have a bunch of workarounds I can think of, PM me with the device models, and I'll see if any can be used.

SwimNurd
Oct 28, 2007

mememememe


If it is a network printer the odds are it is a postscript printer. The PPD file is a text file. I doubt it is an intel/powerpc issue. Have you tried adding the printer directly from the CUPS interface? Should be running on Port 631: http://localhost:631/

mayodreams
Jul 4, 2003

GO U NORTHWESTERN!


Xenomorph posted:

Well, thanks to how great 10.7 has turned out, starting today we are testing CentOS 6.0.
Our Xserves are aging, with no migration strategy from Apple, and now it's clear that Mac OS X Server is dead.

Because of how bad SMB/NT Authentication was in 10.5/10.6, we had been trying to migrate users to a Windows Server (Server 2003, again because of SMB authentication issues 10.5/10.6 has with 2008/2008R2). The Windows server handled all our Mac and Linux users fine - but we wanted to continue with Apple's server due to how nicely NFS management was (NFS management is a huge pain on Windows).
I thought 10.7 would be the fix we wanted. All new SMB guts (non-Samba), with the NFS control we had come to rely on. Ha!

So yeah, it looks like our Apple servers are being replaced with Dell PowerEdge systems running Windows Server 2003 R2 and CentOS 6. All that surplus cash we would have spent on Apple will just go to pay for more office parties, I guess.
Our Apple servers are several years old, and leaving them to run "as is" with no upgrade path is not what I want.

We have been using Likewise Enterprise for the last 2 years to bind Macs and Linux boxes to our AD with a lot of success. The only catch is that you need to specify your domain on the login of a mac, eg domain\ad_user. I am using OS X Server for Policy, but likewise supposedly gives you that capability too. However, Likewise 5 killed my Lion test box, and Likewise 6 won't bind to our AD PDC, so who loving knows.

Auriak
Aug 6, 2007

My backpack's got jets!


mllaneza posted:

In other words, don't overwrite the OS version of anything, it'll get clobbered during a system update and no one will have any sympathy for you.

I apologize in advance for my noobness, but I am trying to learn my way around Python. I took this advice and installed my own copy of Python 2.7, however when I execute Python from Terminal it appears to be running the version that came pre-installed with OS X. How do I get Terminal to use my version so that I can install Django and whatnot?

Khelmar
Oct 12, 2003

Things fix me.

SwimNurd posted:

If it is a network printer the odds are it is a postscript printer. The PPD file is a text file. I doubt it is an intel/powerpc issue. Have you tried adding the printer directly from the CUPS interface? Should be running on Port 631: http://localhost:631/

OK, I just tried added it via the web interface, and no luck - I get the same thing. One other interesting thing that may be related is that Directory Utility says "Failed to retrieve plug-in list." when I open it, and there's no listing for AD and binding. Strangely, if I go to Directory Utilities through the User Accounts page under System Preferences, everything seems to work fine.

Khelmar fucked around with this message at Jul 27, 2011 around 17:14

wolffenstein
Aug 2, 2002
 

Auriak posted:

I apologize in advance for my noobness, but I am trying to learn my way around Python. I took this advice and installed my own copy of Python 2.7, however when I execute Python from Terminal it appears to be running the version that came pre-installed with OS X. How do I get Terminal to use my version so that I can install Django and whatnot?
You probably need to edit the $PATH variable to put your Python installation path in front of OS X's installation. Google can help you do this.

Cyne
May 30, 2007
Beauty is a rare thing.



wolffenstein posted:

You probably need to edit the $PATH variable to put your Python installation path in front of OS X's installation. Google can help you do this.

If it's just for the one program, you could also create an alias to call your copy of python. From your home directory:
code:
echo "alias python='/usr/local/bin/python'" >> .bash_profile
Of course if it's somewhere different than /usr/local/bin substitute the appropriate path.

Auriak
Aug 6, 2007

My backpack's got jets!


Thanks guys, that seems to have worked!

coldplay chiptunes
Sep 17, 2010

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Anyone know why my screensaver or powersaver options won't invoke while Transmission is running? I know it counts as a running process and won't allow the computer to sleep, but I'd at least like the display to shut off.

Never happened in SL.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

My dick is fine. Thanks for asking.


I received an email from Intuit that said my version of Quicken wouldn't work with Lion. The current Mac Quicken seems like a step back from my version so I'm looking at PC versions now. Anyone had experience moving from an older Mac version to the current "Essentials" or a PC version? I'm holding off my OS upgrade until I can get this sorted out.

Mikey-San
Nov 3, 2005

I'm Edith Head!

Corbet posted:

Is there any way to move Time Machine backup folders from one computer's time machine folder to another computer's folder?

OS X tells me backup files can't be modified. I'm just trying to get my old MBA's time machine backups onto my new MBA (I didn't restore from a Time Machine backup, I started fresh and when I turned Time Machine on, it created a new backup folder)

x-virge posted:

You can copy the entire Backups.backupd instead of just portions from inside it.

That won't do what he wants. The machine directory inside the backup store does not belong to the new machine, and Time Machine on the new machine won't know what he wants to do. (If he had used Migration Assistant, TM would know.)

If you're on Lion, see the tmutil man page for 'inheritbackup' and 'associatedisk'. Unless I misunderstand, both will be required.

edit: But as far as copying the backup store to another disk, x-virge is right that you can copy the whole backup store to another disk via Finder. It just might take a really long time.

edit 2: Corbet, just to make sure we know what you're trying to do, can you be more specific? It's not entirely clear what you want to do. (The "onto my new MBA" bit is throwing me off, because it doesn't jive with the rest. Are you trying to copy data from a backup to the computer, or make a copy of the backup and use the copy with the new computer?)

Mikey-San fucked around with this message at Jul 27, 2011 around 20:38

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952

Auriak posted:

Thanks guys, that seems to have worked!

That would probably mess with anything system-related that depends on the specific version installed with the OS.

I may be off, but I believe the correct way is to explicitly invoke the correct version in the script. This bit on the first line #!/bin/python tells the OS what to run the script with. You change it to #!/usr/bin/python, put your version somewhere like /usr/local/bin/python-2-7-0 and make a symlink to it at /usr/local/bin/python. Update the symlink when you update Python and your scripts always point to the correct version.

If there's a better way, you can probably make me and a couple of our developers very happy...

vlack
Feb 7, 2004

Stay frosty, Sparky

mllaneza posted:

That would probably mess with anything system-related that depends on the specific version installed with the OS.

I may be off, but I believe the correct way is to explicitly invoke the correct version in the script. This bit on the first line #!/bin/python tells the OS what to run the script with. You change it to #!/usr/bin/python, put your version somewhere like /usr/local/bin/python-2-7-0 and make a symlink to it at /usr/local/bin/python. Update the symlink when you update Python and your scripts always point to the correct version.

If there's a better way, you can probably make me and a couple of our developers very happy...

You can use #!/usr/bin/env python to find the first python in the user's $PATH... if you want to rely on the users having the correct version installed and in $PATH in the first place. This is probably OK in the OP's case (learning Python and wants to use the new version).

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004


Is there a way to rearrange the order of the windows in the dashboard part of Mission Control? The simple drag and move functionality isn't there.

Txiuct
May 27, 2006

United States Federal Bureau of Investigation - "We don't give a shit, holmes."


Is there any way though something like 1password or even the keychain that I can save a password for an email account, so anyone using that computer account can login on that computer, but not be able to see the password so they cant login anywhere else?

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952

vlack posted:

You can use #!/usr/bin/env python to find the first python in the user's $PATH... if you want to rely on the users having the correct version installed and in $PATH in the first place. This is probably OK in the OP's case (learning Python and wants to use the new version).

I've seen too many thing become issues when mucking about with paths. And the OP should learn it right the first time That comes off as harsh, but learning the right way first is always best.


edit: I spel gud on 5 hours sleep

mllaneza fucked around with this message at Jul 27, 2011 around 19:53

vlack
Feb 7, 2004

Stay frosty, Sparky

Txiuct posted:

Is there any way though something like 1password or even the keychain that I can save a password for an email account, so anyone using that computer account can login on that computer, but not be able to see the password so they cant login anywhere else?

This strikes me as the wrong way to solve whatever problem you're having. What are you trying to do? Could you implement another solution (possibly a distribution list or RSS feed or something)?

To directly answer your question: there is nothing like what you are describing that I am aware of.

qutius
Apr 2, 2003
NO PARTIES


Am I missing something with Filevault 2 and Time Machine?

It looks like I can encrypt my backup drive, but it says it must erase the drive first...which kind of makes the whole time machine thing not work so well.

Any tricks to get my existing backup data encrypted or do I really need to start from scratch?

PunkRockTuba
Apr 29, 2007

Is that you, John Wayne? Is this me?


I've skimmed through the last few pages and didn't see this, if I missed it, I'm sorry.

Since updating to Lion, when I try to drag programs or any type of file out of the Applications folder to the desktop, it creates a shortcut instead of moving the file. Is there a way to turn this off?

Spelter
Jul 18, 2007
Are you puissant?

Txiuct posted:

Is there any way though something like 1password or even the keychain that I can save a password for an email account, so anyone using that computer account can login on that computer, but not be able to see the password so they cant login anywhere else?

You can make a keychain password different from the login password, so it doesn't unlock automatically when you log in. The first app to try and use an item in the locked keychain will cause a popup to appear asking for the keychain password. Is this what you mean?

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

SINATRA.


I am really loving hating that they did away with "Save As..." because now doing things like adjusting the size of a scanned image in Preview and trying to save it to the desktop is COMPLETELY GODDAMN IMPOSSIBLE without jumping through eight hundred hoops. Rather than just opening the file in Preview, adjusting the size, and choosing "Save As...", you've got to do some hokey horseshit to duplicate the file, make your changes, then "Save..." the file the way you want it and delete the original from wherever the gently caress.

And it took a bunch of monkeying with "Duplicate" and "Save a Version" to even figure out how to get it to do what I need. And this Version saving poo poo is also awful, since you adjust the size, save a version, and then close/reopen Preview only for it to pop open everything you'd already closed and TRIED to adjust.

I can't stand this bullshit.

Accipiter fucked around with this message at Jul 27, 2011 around 21:23

NotShadowStar
Sep 20, 2000


Xenomorph posted:

Well, thanks to how great 10.7 has turned out, starting today we are testing CentOS 6.0.
Our Xserves are aging, with no migration strategy from Apple, and now it's clear that Mac OS X Server is dead.

Apple pulled a FCPX by ditching Samba, which is for the best really. Samba never really worked right approximately ever, so now Apple is rolling their own. Like FCPX they likely have a long term strategy, but there's going to be a lot of pain getting them up to 100% feature coverage, but in the end it will probably work a hell of a lot better than Samba could ever hope to do.

If you can't hang on to 10.6 until Apple gets their poo poo straight, probably at 10.8, you could get 1U servers from Dell or some such and throw Ubuntu on them. Ubuntu has a fairly decent admin GUI and does SMB and NFS well.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Things are going to be okay.


So much bitching. After reading the last 20 pages I'm definitely holding off on upgrading my iMac to Lion. Snow Leopard has been fine and I have no complaints. I can put Lion on the laptop to play around with it though. It's not like Lion really adds much for desktop users.

lelandjs
Feb 18, 2011

Average forums poster, reporting for duty



Accipiter posted:

I am really loving hating that they did away with "Save As..." because now doing things like adjusting the size of a scanned image in Preview and trying to save it to the desktop is COMPLETELY GODDAMN IMPOSSIBLE without jumping through eight hundred hoops. Rather than just opening the file in Preview, adjusting the size, and choosing "Save As...", you've got to do some hokey horseshit to duplicate the file, make your changes, then "Save..." the file the way you want it and delete the original from wherever the gently caress.

And it took a bunch of monkeying with "Duplicate" and "Save a Version" to even figure out how to get it to do what I need. And this Version saving poo poo is also awful, since you adjust the size, save a version, and then close/reopen Preview only for it to pop open everything you'd already closed and TRIED to adjust.

I can't stand this bullshit.

I dunno, it makes sense to me and it's only an extra step. Make changes to the file, hit duplicate, then save the duplicate to the desktop. If you want to keep the original the way it is, Preview (and other apps) allow for that—it even pops up a dialog asking you what you want to do with the original when you duplicate it. Not that you need to worry about that, because even if you do accidentally save modifications to the original you can always pop open versions and revert it.

If you close the windows before you quit, it shouldn't pop them back open when you open the program again.


Mu Zeta posted:

So much bitching. After reading the last 20 pages I'm definitely holding off on upgrading my iMac to Lion. Snow Leopard has been fine and I have no complaints. I can put Lion on the laptop to play around with it though. It's not like Lion really adds much for desktop users.
Well, it depends on the person. Do you fear change? Stick with Snow Leopard.

Are you comfortable with changes that are awkward and annoying at first, but are better in the long run? Go with Lion.

I was unsure about disappearing scrollbars, "natural" scrolling, Versions, Restore, etc. at first but I've come to find that they're all pretty awesome features to have.

lelandjs fucked around with this message at Jul 27, 2011 around 22:37

lord funk
Feb 16, 2004



lelandjs posted:

Are you comfortable with changes that are awkward and annoying at first, but are better in the long run? Go with Lion.

I'm not sure some of these are better in the long run. Apple normally understands minimal design = maximum functionality. So when I hear 'only an extra step' I can't help but wonder if anything was actually gained. I can't stand Windows because you're constantly clicking one extra button, choosing one more option, closing one more alert than is actually warranted.

quote:

If you close the windows before you quit, it shouldn't pop them back open when you open the program again.

Ugghghhh. I have a feeling I'm going to hate resuming apps.

Lazyhound
Mar 1, 2004

A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous— got me?

And I thought my Lion experience was awkward: Man charged 122 times for Lion upgrade.

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abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

> typeof null === "object";
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Is there something like USB Overdrive that works in Lion? I hate mouse acceleration, and I'd like to be able to use my mouse 4/5 buttons to go forward/back in Chrome.

sethsez
Jul 13, 2006

He's soooo
dreamy...


lelandjs posted:

Are you comfortable with changes that are awkward and annoying at first, but are better in the long run? Go with Lion.

Less functionality and "just an extra step" is neither better for productivity or ease of use. Normally Apple gets the balance right but this time they messed up for quite a lot of people.

Cyne
May 30, 2007
Beauty is a rare thing.



Lazyhound posted:

And I thought my Lion experience was awkward: Man charged 122 times for Lion upgrade.

This is going to be a good quarter for Apple.

Space Racist
Mar 27, 2008

~savior of yoomanity~


Mu Zeta posted:

It's not like Lion really adds much for desktop users.

Huh? The only Lion feature that really screams 'laptop' is the fullscreen apps thing, and even that can be nice on the desktop in certain scenarios. Not saying your usage patterns are identical to mine, but I'm loving Lion on my iMac so far.

Mikey-San
Nov 3, 2005

I'm Edith Head!

qutius posted:

Am I missing something with Filevault 2 and Time Machine?

It looks like I can encrypt my backup drive, but it says it must erase the drive first...which kind of makes the whole time machine thing not work so well.

Any tricks to get my existing backup data encrypted or do I really need to start from scratch?

Not all partition schemes support CoreStorage. Can you post a screenshot of the actual alert the Time Machine pref pane shows you? Also, the output of this:

diskutil list

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Things are going to be okay.


Space Racist posted:

Huh? The only Lion feature that really screams 'laptop' is the fullscreen apps thing, and even that can be nice on the desktop in certain scenarios. Not saying your usage patterns are identical to mine, but I'm loving Lion on my iMac so far.

I was thinking all the gestures, spaces with full screen apps, launchpad, and some other small things like natural scrolling are kind of useless for me. I use a mouse and keyboard and my display is big enough that I never need to use spaces and full screen apps look dumb on 2560 x 1440. I'm going to install Lion eventually. I'm just going to play around with it first on my MBP before I put it on the desktop.

Is there any reason to rush into Lion on my iMac? What features do you like the best? I'm assuming Apple will release a big patch like they always do with a new OS, might wait for that first to clean out the small kinks.

Martytoof
Feb 25, 2003



Awesome.

Awesome to
the MAX.




Is there no way to permanently delete an iOS app in iTunes? I bought some crappy apps that I never plan to use again, but every time I delete them iTunes seems to pop them back into the "Available iTunes Downloads" section.

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Space Racist
Mar 27, 2008

~savior of yoomanity~


Mu Zeta posted:

I was thinking all the gestures, spaces with full screen apps, launchpad, and some other small things like natural scrolling are kind of useless for me. I use a mouse and keyboard and my display is big enough that I never need to use spaces and full screen apps look dumb on 2560 x 1440. I'm going to install Lion eventually. I'm just going to play around with it first on my MBP before I put it on the desktop.

Is there any reason to rush into Lion on my iMac? What features do you like the best? I'm assuming Apple will release a big patch like they always do with a new OS, might wait for that first to clean out the small kinks.

I wasn't saying you had to be in any rush to install Lion on your iMac, just responding to your claim that it only added much in the way of features for laptop users. I should mention that I use a magic mouse with my iMac, and Lion really improved the gesture experience on that device for me. Besides that, I prefer Mission Control to Expose/Spaces of before, Launchpad has really grown on me (at least once I mapped it over the original Dashboard hotkey on my keyboard), and once there's better app support I'm sure I'll get plenty of use out of Versions. Plus under-the-hood stuff like FileVault and sandboxing are always nice.

And you haven't lived the true Apple experience until you disable active indicator lights under your open apps and are giving as many fucks as an iOS user.

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