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JHVH-1
Jun 28, 2002

fleshweasel posted:

Safari is good. I hope this helps you.

edit: Has anyone got some anecdotes about gaming in the Yosemite beta?

Spec Ops The Line has crashed a few times on me. The xbox 360 driver didn't work with my wireless adapter and I had to get a newer unsigned version of the driver to get it working. I haven't had time to play much else I haven't formed an opinion on it being stable or not overall.

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computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Phoenixan posted:

It largely depends on the level of optimization. It's not unlike when you come across a lovely console-to-PC port. Valve & Blizzard have generally done a good job with their games on additional platforms.

Dota and TF2 are both pretty crappy from my experiences (the former was not even that good as a spectator client). Starcraft and Diablo weren't that terrible though, I'll admit.

Whirlwind Jones
Apr 13, 2013

by Lowtax

Pivo posted:

One thing sucks about OS X. Safari. gently caress Safari.
How so?

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Chrome has worked great for me. Safari feels slower.

Sprat Sandwich
Mar 20, 2009

Safari has worked great for me. Chrome feels slower.

Jokes aside if you run Chrome on your phone and Mac and PC or are heavily in Googles ecosystem it's not bad. I think they just launched a 64bit version (wow) so it can now eat up even more memory.

If you don't give a poo poo about millions of exensions and greasemonkeys and having your tabs available everywhere Safari is fine.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

What is the advantage of Safari then? I try it out once in a while but see no reason to switch.

brap
Aug 23, 2004

Grimey Drawer
Safari is the most power efficient browser on OS X.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

fleshweasel posted:

Safari is the most power efficient browser on OS X.

It also has iCloud Keychain which is very handy for generating passwords and saving them.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
And also iCloud Tabs and Reading List.

Basically, go with the browser that you run on your phone.

Whirlwind Jones
Apr 13, 2013

by Lowtax

Mu Zeta posted:

What is the advantage of Safari then? I try it out once in a while but see no reason to switch.
Laptops mostly.

Whirlwind Jones
Apr 13, 2013

by Lowtax
Basically use whatever browser you want to use, but if you're going to go around spouting dumb stuff like "Safari is poo poo!" or "Chrome feels slower imho" I'm gonna laugh at you because they're all the same thing.

Sad Panda
Sep 22, 2004

I'm a Sad Panda.

Mu Zeta posted:

What is the advantage of Safari then? I try it out once in a while but see no reason to switch.

I think it's more energy efficient than Chrome. Whenever I open up activity monitor Chrome is always high on the energy impact list

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


Whirlwind Jones posted:

Basically use whatever browser you want to use, but if you're going to go around spouting dumb stuff like "Safari is poo poo!" or "Chrome feels slower imho" I'm gonna laugh at you because they're all the same thing.

They're both Webkit-ish, but they're not the same thing.

Safari *is* more power-efficient, Chrome has more extensions and the whole Google ecosystem behind it, Safari has the whole iCloud ecosystem with it. I just don't like Safari for personal reasons I guess, I don't feel "at home" with it. I don't enjoy using it. It's not really any kind of technical reason. Chrome is loving annoying sometimes too - trackpad gestures only sometimes work, dev tools are laggy as hell, it eats up RAM and gobbles up CPU time like nobody's business.

lunar detritus
May 6, 2009


Whirlwind Jones posted:

Basically use whatever browser you want to use, but if you're going to go around spouting dumb stuff like "Safari is poo poo!" or "Chrome feels slower imho" I'm gonna laugh at you because they're all the same thing.

But Safari really does scroll much smoother. :shrug:

Sprat Sandwich
Mar 20, 2009

Yeah Safari has the advantage of being built by Apple so it works best with the software and hardware but at the same time it's not updated as often nor is it as open for developers etc. Those aren't necessarily bad things, though.

Pivo posted:

They're both Webkit-ish, but they're not the same thing.

Safari *is* more power-efficient, Chrome has more extensions and the whole Google ecosystem behind it, Safari has the whole iCloud ecosystem with it. I just don't like Safari for personal reasons I guess, I don't feel "at home" with it. I don't enjoy using it. It's not really any kind of technical reason. Chrome is loving annoying sometimes too - trackpad gestures only sometimes work, dev tools are laggy as hell, it eats up RAM and gobbles up CPU time like nobody's business.

For something we use a whole bunch web browsers are totally garbage.

E - although I guess websites play a big part in browsers feeling bad.

Sprat Sandwich fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Aug 29, 2014

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


Sprat Sandwich posted:

I think they just launched a 64bit version (wow) so it can now eat up even more memory.

Only for people on the beta channel, it's not in public distro yet.

Oh God, those comments, some people are locked in full sperg mode.

All it means to me is Chrome finally gets to run Java apps on the Mac, big whoop to me, deal maker/breaker to others.

brap
Aug 23, 2004

Grimey Drawer
Safari has the best scrolling, zooming and general navigation, yeah.

People don't give enough credit to what browsers accomplish considering what a mess the web can be.

dik-dik
Feb 21, 2009

What's the best adblocker for safari?

EAT THE EGGS RICOLA
May 29, 2008

fleshweasel posted:

Safari has the best scrolling, zooming and general navigation, yeah.

People don't give enough credit to what browsers accomplish considering what a mess the web can be.

I honestly use safari over chrome because the zooming is better.

Chilled Milk
Jun 22, 2003

No one here is alone,
satellites in every home
The solution is to install Firefox

Whirlwind Jones
Apr 13, 2013

by Lowtax
I actually use Firefox when I need to spoof my location to listen to Mariners games on the radio. :shobon:

Luceo
Apr 29, 2003

As predicted in the Bible. :cheers:



Chrome has flash built-in while Safari does not. One less thing to install and keep updated.

Also, I game all the time in boot camped Win7 on my 2012 MBP and it's perfectly fine.

Whirlwind Jones
Apr 13, 2013

by Lowtax

Luceo posted:

Chrome has flash built-in while Safari does not.
Why are you posting positives for Safari while trying to support Chrome? :confused:

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe
IMO the main advantage for Chrome is the syncing that it does across platforms. I can have basically the same browsing setup on a Mac at home, a PC at work, an iPhone, and an iPad. Safari can only do this if there is no PC hardware involved.

GokieKS
Dec 15, 2012

Mostly Harmless.
Chrome has vastly better cross-platform support and syncing, better extension library and management, better integration with the services that more people use, multiple profile support, and IMO a much better UI/UX that seems to be designed by people who have actually used other tab-based applications (I haven't use Safari beta on Yosemite - can you middle click a tab to close it w/o relying on external extensions yet?). These are more important to me than power efficiency.

DarkJC
Jul 6, 2010

withak posted:

IMO the main advantage for Chrome is the syncing that it does across platforms. I can have basically the same browsing setup on a Mac at home, a PC at work, an iPhone, and an iPad. Safari can only do this if there is no PC hardware involved.

They actually will sync browsing info to 3rd party browsers on Windows if you install the iCloud Control Panel. That's what I use since I have a Windows desktop but an iPad and iPhone, works pretty well.

Whirlwind Jones
Apr 13, 2013

by Lowtax

GokieKS posted:

Chrome has vastly better cross-platform support and syncing, better extension library and management, better integration with the services that more people use, multiple profile support, and IMO a much better UI/UX that seems to be designed by people who have actually used other tab-based applications (I haven't use Safari beta on Yosemite - can you middle click a tab to close it w/o relying on external extensions yet?). These are more important to me than power efficiency.
Then you should probably use Chrome.

snakeater
May 17, 2008

A paranoiac in reverse.
I've tried to stick with Safari, but honestly it's always started to hang and get slow for me with all the tab hoarding I do. The Safari in Yosemite is a nice upgrade, but still chugs a bit when I have a lot open while Chrome has always been like butter.

It might just be that the Safari Adblock extensions are the problem, but I'm not using a browser without a blocker at this point so it's kind of moot. That plus uBlock for Chrome has finally given us a less resource hungry plugin.

I do miss the scrolling in Safari, though.

dik-dik
Feb 21, 2009

I really don't get why Chrome vs Safari is even a thing. They're similar enough in performance that it ultimately comes down to personal preferences. Why should I care whether goons are using the same browser as me? Are you guys getting kickbacks or something?

E: Also, what's the difference between Safari and Chrome scrolling? I'm not finding any differences at all???

E2: Is there an SALR extension for safari? I don't want to have to click!

dik-dik fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Aug 29, 2014

Luceo
Apr 29, 2003

As predicted in the Bible. :cheers:



Whirlwind Jones posted:

Why are you posting positives for Safari while trying to support Chrome? :confused:

This would be funny if I didn't still come across flash on a regular basis. Safari's a wonderful browser, but gently caress having to install flash and keep it updated when Google will do it for me and patch any vulnerabilities before Adobe even knows they exist.

Molten Llama
Sep 20, 2006

Whirlwind Jones posted:

Why are you posting positives for Safari while trying to support Chrome? :confused:

Especially when Google hasn't been great about that whole "keeping Flash updated" thing.

brap
Aug 23, 2004

Grimey Drawer
I'm definitely starting to realize the virtues of leaving Flash uninstalled and using Safari so that places that want to serve you Flash will often give you HTML5 instead. Then if I really must use a Flash-based site then I can use Chrome just for that.

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

dik-dik posted:

E: Also, what's the difference between Safari and Chrome scrolling? I'm not finding any differences at all???

A few years ago Safari added scrolling based on core animation, which vastly smoothed out scrolling of complex pages and/or on old machines. 10.8 I think applied it to all scrollviews, so Chrome may have gotten it then.

Molten Llama
Sep 20, 2006

FordPRefectLL posted:

I was just about to ask that. Parallels has a student discount and VMWare Fusion appears not to, but VMWare Fusion seems to do exactly what I need.

VMWare does have a discount if you're looking at Pro. They prefer to let campus bookstores and the like handle it, but you can also buy online.

Regular Fusion is already so cheap (in VMWare dollars, anyway) that they don't discount it except for a sale a couple times a year.

Another Poster
Apr 12, 2008
Using Safari over Chrome right now due to clicktohtml5. If Chrome can get that I would switch over immediately.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



dik-dik posted:

What's the best adblocker for safari?

I've had no complaints with AdBlock.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
Some of the failings of Safari are probably attributable to the spat between Apple and Google; for example, Google refuses to release a QuickTime-compatible component for VP8/9. On the other hand, Google forked WebKit because Apple's group were working too slow (for example, Safari is the only major browser that doesn't have unprefixed CSS flexbox compatability).

keevo
Jun 16, 2011

:burger:WAKE UP:burger:
I like Chrome for porn and Safari for regular use. Chrome eats up too much memory for my laptop and my battery suffers during long school days.

slogula
Oct 2, 2013
Parallels question: Is there any trick to get a guest instance of win8.1 to properly format an external usb3 ssd as ntfs? I've tried, and the virtualized windows sees the disk perfectly, but everything else sees the drive as corrupted. I'd hate to pony up for either tuxera or paragon when I have a activated copy of win8 on the machine. Alternately, has anyone had any formatting problems with win8 bootcamp?

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MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000

carry on then posted:

A few years ago Safari added scrolling based on core animation, which vastly smoothed out scrolling of complex pages and/or on old machines. 10.8 I think applied it to all scrollviews, so Chrome may have gotten it then.

Chrome with Intel graphics on OSX does not have full acceleration support for rasterization, there is an outstanding case regarding some defective GL API. Presumably not the same as whatever Safari uses, just look at chrome://gpu/ for a tone of workarounds enabled.

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