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Sprat Sandwich posted:Apple Music would need an iTunes update, no? Yes I suppose that does make sense... I gather that's coming also, then? [Edit]. While I'm here, has anyone else experienced like, LOOOOOOONG black screen hangs after updating their mac's OS? I used to get this on my 2011 and I still get it on my retina iMac. I installed 10.10.4 and it does the apple logo progress bar. I'm now staring at a black screen (with moveable mouse icon) for the last 15 minutes. Should I power it down? Feenix fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Good riddance, discoveryd. They did that for .4 rather than wait for 11? There is still joy and beauty in the world!
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Jun 30, 2015 16:55
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Jun 30, 2015 17:00
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I rebooted and everything is fine. I'd sure like to listen to Apple Music on my Mac instead of my phone though... since I'm sitting right here with some good speakers.
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Jun 30, 2015 17:01
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Feenix posted:I rebooted and everything is fine. I'd sure like to listen to Apple Music on my Mac instead of my phone though... since I'm sitting right here with some good speakers. Plug the speakers into your phone and listen to a New Zealand man shout in your ears.
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Jun 30, 2015 17:04
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Sprat Sandwich posted:Plug the speakers into your phone and listen to a New Zealand man shout in your ears. Hey you know one thing I didn't really think about re: Beats 1 was the fact that they may interrupt/talk over the songs all the time like UK DJS seem to do. With Station Identifiers and overzealous Djs. [edit] Also I love (hate?) that they've perfectly replicated the obnoxious aspects of terrestrial radio. *LASER SOUND, WOOP WOOP* "Beats....(slowed down pitch) "ONE!"
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Jun 30, 2015 17:05
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Supposedly trimforce is in OS X 10.10.4.code:
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Feenix posted:Hey you know one thing I didn't really think about re: Beats 1 was the fact that they may interrupt/talk over the songs all the time like UK DJS seem to do. With Station Identifiers and overzealous Djs. Amazingly Apple has managed to create a radio station. Also if anyone wants to listen to BEATS ONE on your desktop you can visit this link https://itunes.apple.com/beats1 but that wants to open iTunes 12.2 which doesn't exist yet. Hmm.
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Jun 30, 2015 17:22
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I think they may have just forgot about releasing iTunes 12.2. 
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TinTower posted:I think they may have just forgot about releasing iTunes 12.2. Yea, seems really weird.. I wonder how many people are downloading 12.1.2 thinking it will update to Music
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There's also a bug regarding iCloud Music Library not working on iOS, but I assume that needs 12.2 too.
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TinTower posted:I think they may have just forgot about releasing iTunes 12.2.
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When they announced Apple Music, I was really hoping for a fast and simple Photos-style OS X app called Music, and was sad that they're just shoving more functionality into iTunes. Maybe next year.
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cbirdsong posted:When they announced Apple Music, I was really hoping for an fast and simple Photos-style OS X app called Music, and was sad that they're just shoving more functionality into iTunes. Maybe next year. It comes with this cool new feature 
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So if anyone wants a direct download of 10.10.4, here ya go: 10.10.4 Combo - https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1820?locale=en_US 10.10.4 Delta - https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1819?locale=en_US Note: the Combo is 2.02 GB and the Delta is 1.09 GB.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Supposedly trimforce is in OS X 10.10.4. I can play with it tonight on one of my systems. My 2010 MBP has an OWC w/ SandForce controller. I work with some people that have an 840 EVO and an 850 EVO. I'm very interested in how well it works for them. My 2007 Mac Pro has an Intel 530 (SandForce). I won't get around to updating Yosemite on it until later.
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Jun 30, 2015 19:44
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TRIM sounds like a good thing. Is there any potential downside to turning it on?
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tuyop posted:TRIM sounds like a good thing. Is there any potential downside to turning it on?
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Oh, for an OS X update that doesn't gently caress up Mail in one way or another... If anyone else discovers Mail suddenly unable to connect to Gmail accounts, go into the account settings and make sure "Automatically detect and maintain account settings" is checked. (I had to UNCHECK this a few months ago in order to get Mail working right with Gmail  .)
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Alright, I'll do this soon! As for the update, I have transparency turned off (I did this before updating) and I'm noticing a crazy improvement in animation smoothness when on an external monitor, so that's good! Also, my bluetooth problem from before seemed to be related to my wife's phone and iPad doing handoff with each other. If she turns off her phone's BT when it starts the problem goes away. Hasn't come back for a little while either and she has BT on again.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Good riddance, discoveryd. I am only sorry discoveryd doesn't have a grave, because I wanted to piss on it.
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tuyop posted:TRIM sounds like a good thing. Is there any potential downside to turning it on? In most cases, no, TRIM has no downsides. Enabling it helps improve an SSD's built-in maintenance and garbage collection. TRIM can help reduce excess writes, help keep write performance fast & consistent, and help prolong drive life. However, some drives have had issues with TRIM. * Some older drives didn't work right with it, sometimes leading to data loss. It was usually because of buggy firmware. (This is probably not something to worry about any more.) * Some Samsung and Crucial drives were found to have issues with TRIM on Linux (see https://blog.algolia.com/when-solid-state-drives-are-not-that-solid/ and http://forums.crucial.com/t5/Crucial-SSDs/M500-M5x0-QUEUED-TRIM-data-corruption-alert-mostly-for-Linux/td-p/151028). * In certain configurations (usually when an adapter is used) a drive that identifies as supporting TRIM ends up causing a hang when the system cannot actually send the TRIM command to the drive. I have a ThinkPad T43 with two PATA to SATA adapters. Windows is unusable until I disable TRIM. I'm going to enable TRIM on my SandForce drives (as they seemed to work fine when I used TRIM Enabler), but I will wait a few days before I recommend our Samsung users enable it (both of whom have been going without TRIM in order to avoid any issues with kext signing).
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I see the OS X update (and GarageBand) on the update page but apparently one didn't download right so now my computer is on a loop of "restart computer to install update" -> "there are new updates" - "Restart computer to install updates" x infinity. Rebooting didn't seem to have done anything.
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Feenix posted:Hey you know one thing I didn't really think about re: Beats 1 was the fact that they may interrupt/talk over the songs all the time like UK DJS seem to do. With Station Identifiers and overzealous Djs. Wait talking over a song before it's finished is a UK thing? Can't say that bothers me much though compared to the idents at least. Nice that there are no ads for uh, discount furniture shops, personal injury lawyers and pawn shops like actual non-bbc radio stations though
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:I see the OS X update (and GarageBand) on the update page but apparently one didn't download right so now my computer is on a loop of "restart computer to install update" -> "there are new updates" - "Restart computer to install updates" x infinity. I'm in the same boat; going to download & install the combo update linked upthread.
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I have an 850 EVO but I think I'll let one of you guys be the guinea pigs on enabling TRIM just so I don't destroy my computer since I'm away from home. Edit: iTunes 12.2 just popped up in the App Store for me.
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12.2 is out. 
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If you try to open iTunes while it's updating you get this which I found mildly amusing.
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App Store was doing this to me over and over: And I'd still end up with iTunes 12.1.2 installed. softwareupdate -i -a took care of it without any issue, though.
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So when I first loaded the new iTunes there was a "for you" tab between playlists and radio with a dialogue to sign up for Apple Music but now I just checked again because I wanna do the trial and it's not there wth>  EDIT: Going to the Apple website and clicking on the "start listening now" thing on the main page magically made it reappear. Whirlwind Jones fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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While reading the Ars article on trimforce, comments pointed out that there is apparently reports of certain SSDs (including Samsung 840/850 Series) running into data corruption caused by TRIM, and Linux kernel maintains a blacklist for some drives that do not properly support queued TRIM. I'm not certain on what OS X's implementation of TRIM is and how closely it's related to fstrim and the its documented issues, but at the very least it bears investigation and anecdotal evidence suggests it does affect OS X. So while just yesterday I would've agreed with you and said "there's no reason to not enable TRIM", today I'd be a lot more careful and say maybe hold off a bit if you use one of the drives on the blacklist: code:
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Last I checked, OS X does not support that ATA command anyway. edit: Apparently further investigation has said it's not related to queued TRIM? I dunno. I'd still run with TRIM, but I don't have any 3rd party SSDs in my Macs.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Last I checked, OS X does not support that ATA command anyway. Yeah, I haven't been able to find a lot of information on exactly what OS X's implementation of TRIM is. FWIW, I've been using a Samsung 830 256GB on my Hackintosh with TRIM enabled for over 2 years, and I haven't notice any issues, but I don't do anything disk I/O intensive and haven't really checked for it (and have done multiple full reformats).
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GokieKS posted:While reading the Ars article on trimforce, comments pointed out that there is apparently reports of certain SSDs (including Samsung 840/850 Series) running into data corruption caused by TRIM, and Linux kernel maintains a blacklist for some drives that do not properly support queued TRIM. After reading through that last link and a few others, here's an interesting thing about the blacklisting. Samsung originally didn't support queued TRIM (aka NCQ TRIM) in any of their drives, but has begun adding it to the firmware of new models and to older drive models after applying a recent firmware update. However, the new feature is broken as hell. The Linux blacklisting disables only queued TRIM, which causes Linux to fall back to non-queued TRIM on these drives rather than disabling it altogether. Also, IDK what the anecdotal evidence is, but if this issue does affect OS X, based on Linux user experiences the effects should be swift and unsubtle. Star War Sex Parrot posted:Last I checked, OS X does not support that ATA command anyway. The data center guys with the blog post are claiming they've ruled out queued TRIM as the cause of their issue, but I think this just means we're looking at two different problems. The queued TRIM thing is definitely for real. I've now skimmed through multiple linux bug report threads; people affected by the bug have horrible data integrity problems that go away completely upon upgrading to a kernel with the proper blacklist entry.
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Interestingly, updating to 10.10.4 seemed to botch a few apps (Photos was a question mark, iBooks wouldn't open) but the App Store automatically put the Combined update into the queue. Updating to that fixed everything. I wonder if it now scans for problems and tries that automatically?
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Can anyone recommend a good podcast streamer/donwloader? All I really need is something that can search and stream shows, but if possible I'd like something which flags shows with nsfw content, gives recommendations etc. I used to use iTunes but recently it's only been making a max of 20 episodes available per show.
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Dear God; the new iTunes icon is a horror show.
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Jeherrin posted:Dear God; the new iTunes icon is a horror show. https://dribbble.com/shots/2129316-Muir-MUSIC Yeah I dunno why they changed it after showing a different one at WWDC
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carry on then posted:Interestingly, updating to 10.10.4 seemed to botch a few apps (Photos was a question mark, iBooks wouldn't open) but the App Store automatically put the Combined update into the queue. Updating to that fixed everything. I wonder if it now scans for problems and tries that automatically? I've always told folks the combo update is good for what ails you sometimes. I've used the combo update several times to fix 'niggling' system related errors on people's machines to good effect.
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