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Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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Man, I wish you could set the swipe between pages gesture to work the same with three fingers as it does with two. For whatever reason, when you set it to work with three-finger swipes instead of two, you get the old 10.6 swiping behavior instead of the nice smooth transition between pages in Safari, iCal, etc.

It makes way more sense to me to use three fingers for that kind of navigation and four fingers for "global" actions like swiping between desktops and activating mission control.

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Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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Being able to do a double three-finger tap on just about any text you see on the screen to get its definition is really awesome.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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The /Users folder is supposed to be where the OS puts each user's home directory. I guess the upgrade could have wiped out the folder because it didn't find a corresponding user to go with it. I'm not really sure why it would do that though.

In the future, it's probably not a good idea to store anything, especially important data, in a directory that's managed by the OS. Why wouldn't you put your video data inside the Movies directory in your home folder?

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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Oneiros posted:

If you make your external display primary in the displays pref pane (drag the menu bar in the Arrangement tab) it will maximize to that instead. It will only maximize to the primary display and will always blank out the secondary.

Pretty useless, IMHO.

Yeah, I don't know why they don't let you use the second monitor. Full-screen terminal would be great to stick on a second monitor, but otherwise it's almost useless.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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Kobayashi posted:

Also is swiping to go back broken in Finder now?

1st AD posted:

What I am not loving is that the two-finger page swipe doesn't work in Chrome yet, and it no longer works in Finder

Yeah, this is really annoying. You can actually restore the functionality by changing the two finger page scroll to a three finger page swipe in your trackpad preferences, but doing so removes the neat sliding animation between pages in Safari (there's no option for a three finger page "scroll" instead of "swipe"). I really like the animation, but breaking the swipe navigation in every single other app is too annoying.

I don't really know what they were thinking there. They made Safari a special case that requires two-finger navigation instead of three, and made every other app break when two-finger navigation is enabled. I think a much more sensible option would have been to make three-finger swiping the default convention for app-specific navigation with Safari's sliding animation working with three fingers, and have "global" gestures like spaces navigation set to four fingers instead of three by default.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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x-virge posted:

It also works in Preview and iCal (though the iCal animation works differently). There's a new API.

Still, only implementing it in three of their own apps doesn't really encourage user adoption of two-finger navigation. At the very least they could have made it so that three-finger swipes still work in apps that don't support the new API yet.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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x-virge posted:

Well, to be clear, three-finger navigation swipes do still work if you turn them on in trackpad preferences. They're just off by default.

Yeah, but doing so disables the fancy page navigation that you get with two fingers. Basically, they made it so that the new, better gesture navigation is mutually exclusive from the old navigation, and then only enabled it in three apps. It forces you to either only use gesture navigation in those apps or to not use the new navigation at all.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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sass menagerie posted:

You can actually choose "Swipe with two or three fingers" for the swipe between pages gesture, which leaves both styles intact.

Well that makes me feel like a moron. I have no idea why I didn't even think to try that option.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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One of the best new little features of Lion: You can now (basically) cut and paste files in Finder. After copying some files, you can do Command + Option + V to move the file instead of pasting it. One of the only Windows features I still missed after 4 years.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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lelandjs posted:

So I decided that it's time I learned to program in Objective C. Of course, Xcode 4 is fairly new, and all the guides I found use 3.2. No problem, I thought, and proceeded to download and install it. I open up /Developers and… no Xcode app. In fact, the folders are mostly empty.

Ok, no problem, I'll just uninstall and reinstall it. There's even an easy one-line terminal command to uninstall it: sudo /Developer/Library/uninstall-devtools –mode=all. Except uninstall-devtools isn't anywhere in that folder. Or on my hard drive anywhere. I tried installing 3.2 again without removing it, thinking that maybe OS X would be smart enough to install the files I was missing, but that didn't help.

So how to I remove Xcode? And will reinstalling it even work on Lion?

Umm, did you not think to try looking in /Developer/Applications to find Xcode before doing all this wacky stuff? If you downloaded Xcode 4 through the app store it would be in your dock or launchpad anyways.

I doubt 3.2 will work with Lion. I don't really know what the best way to undo all the stuff you did is, you can probably get away with trashing the /Developer folder. If you got Xcode through the app store, you should have an app called Install Xcode or whatever inside /Applications that you can run. Otherwise just redownload that through the app store.

edit: Oh I see, you were trying to install 3.2 from the beginning. That's your problem -- it probably just doesn't work with Lion. Just get Xcode 4, it shouldn't be too hard to translate most of what you find on Xcode 3 to 4. If you get stuck, Apple's documentation is pretty good and should be up to date.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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lelandjs posted:

Yeah I'm thinking that might be the issue. So how do I remove it? Or will installing Xcode 4 over it upgrade it?

I believe when I installed Xcode 4, it told me that it detected an old version of Xcode and it moved it to something like /Developer_old as a backup. I would just go ahead and try to install 4.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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The more I think about Duplicate replacing Save As, the more it makes sense to me. If you think about it from the perspective of a new user, if they have a document open and they want to save a new, identical copy of that document, they're going to be thinking something like "Okay, now I need to duplicate this document".

It does suck that it requires one more step than Save As does, but it just seems more logical. And I think Export covers most of the functionality that Save As had -- I actually always thought it was kind of awkward to have both commands in an app. In Pixelmator, for example, I can use Save As to save my image as a PNG, or I can use Export to do the same thing. The only real difference is that the latter has more options -- I say just get rid of Save As and roll the rest of its functionality into Export.

My main gripe is that there's no keyboard shortcut for Duplicate, and no standard shortcut for Export. It'd be really nice if Command + D and Command + E became standard for those. The obvious problem there is that lots of apps use those shortcuts already, but I think it would have worked fine to have developers shift around their shortcuts as they updated their apps for Lion.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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amf5 posted:

I don't like it, it doesn't add any appreciable new functionality, and it's implemented terribly. It's only "the new way of doing things" for two applications. The "feature" is the one who sucks, why should I change the way I've been doing things for like 20 years?

Because eventually you're going to have to if you want to keep your software up to date? As more and more applications start including the functionality you're going to have to continue to replace them with old versions, and eventually those versions are going to break after an OS update.

Regardless of whether the feature is good or not, you'll have to get used to it at some point unless you want to skip out on software updates indefinitely.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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Star War Sex Parrot posted:

Why has Apple done nothing new with the Dashboard (other than changing how to access it) since it was added in Tiger? It seems even more noticeable now that it's shown as a dedicated Space in Mission Control. I suppose they added Web Clip, but do they expect people to fill Dashboard with Web Clips? I haven't found a good use for it and still find myself using the same couple of widgets that I've had for years. Hell the Weather widget is still broken after how many years and likes to shift down on its own every time it loads.

Does anyone have any good Web Clip ideas to share?

This makes me sad too I think Dashboard has a lot of potential, but because there's been no hype about it in a few years developers haven't been making anything cool for it. One of the things I used to love about one of the older versions of Transmit is that it had an accompanying Dashboard widget where you could drag and drop files to upload, but it's been dead since the latest major release of Transmit.

I think if Apple made a Dashboard Widget section of the Mac app store we'd start seeing a lot of cool stuff again. I wouldn't mind paying 99 cents for a useful widget.

I wonder if the fact that the iOS 5 notification system has widgets built in means we'll see something similar happen to OS X down the line, where Dashboard gets rolled into some kind of global notification center.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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Crush posted:

Does anyone else notice that when they use the gesture in Safari to go forward or backwards in the tabs history, that the image quality looks like a badly compressed JPG until the page finishes loading up?

I do, and it's pretty annoying. It usually takes about a full second or longer for it to swap out the image with the actual page, and during that time the page is totally non-interactive, but there's no indication of that being the case other than the lovely jpeg compression.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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gently caress...I just bought the boxed version of Logic Express last week for 200 bucks, and now Logic Pro is available on the app store for 200 bucks I assume there's no way to upgrade to the app store version without rebuying it completely?

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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japtor posted:

Tim has apparently kept that going, there were a bunch of people that emailed and got replies (and posted to various sites about it).

But yeah I figure within a week you should be with doing a return or something considering the circumstances.

I'd just return it, but their return policy for boxed software is that it needs to be unopened and in the original packaging. I opened it when I got it, of course, and I tossed out all of the extra packaging, so I don't think they'd accept any returns now.

In any case I sent a support request in and got an email back pretty quickly asking for my order number, which seems like a good sign!

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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I think Messages is a big improvement too, but I really wish they would have taken the opportunity to make it a single-window app. They need to get rid of the floating buddy list and just stick it in the chat sidebar.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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Currently it's integrated into iCal (View > Show Reminders), but in Mountain Lion it's getting moved out into its own Reminders app similar to the one on iOS.

I think the difference between reminders and calendar events is that reminders are supposed to be todos, while events are just, well, events. There can be some overlap there when you have reminders that have a specific due date, though.

Reminders are nice for when you have a list of things you need to get done that don't have a specific time or date that they need to get done by. I do think it's a little weird that they're being separated out from the calendar though, because it's natural to want to see your reminders that have due dates on the calendar. I think it would have been a bit nicer if they just fleshed out the reminder functionality in iCal and integrated it into the iOS calendar as well.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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You can't, short of maybe some third-party hack, but I doubt one exists. It's a huge design flaw in my opinion, and I hope they eventually change it.

I think the reason the limitation exists is because each full-screen app is treated as a separate space, and a space always occupies every monitor.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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lord funk posted:

And the big one: using Command-Delete instead of Command-D to choose the 'Don't Save' option in the save dialog. It's an unnecessary change. It's unergonomic. Also the little action-sheet version of the dialog doesn't respond to keyboard actions half the time.

Find / Replace is no longer a separate window. Adds an extra click every time you do a Find to get the Replace area to show up.

I too miss Command+D, but I didn't even know you could use Command+Delete now, so thanks for that tip!

I really prefer the in-window find/replace, though. I think apps should really try to minimize the number of windows they use as much as possible. You can bring up find+replace just as fast as regular find by using Command+Option+F instead of Command+F. I believe this is fairly standard across Apple apps (it works in Xcode as well, anyways).

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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fleshweasel posted:

For god's sake, if your app is ever on sale in a bundle basically for 87% off, you are charging too much for it. Some of these prices are still in the 90s. I don't get it. It's price posturing for the Mac. Consider two versions of the same application with very nearly the exact same functionality and feature set will cost well over double on a Mac than on iOS. There is no good reason for this.

It's about perceived value. The same app for sale on the iPhone will be significantly cheaper than the one on the iPad, even if it has the same features and took the same amount of effort to develop it. Users just expect that an app for their phone is cheaper than an app for their tablet is cheaper than an app for their computer.

90 bucks is pretty crazy, but if you're targeting a niche audience (which is often the case for those more expensive apps) you generally need to charge more because there are going to be less people interested in buying.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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I don't think OS X provides anything like that. You could try to alias one of them to a different name, though that won't help with any build tools that expect to be able to use the real name.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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Mr. Onslaught posted:

I love using ctrl shift 4 to screenshot, so here's what I mean:

If you like that, you'll probably be happy to know that if you hit the space bar after you hit cmd+shift+4, you can select a particular window to get a nice, clean screenshot of just that window.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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Macintosh posted:

Pixelmator looks like it got a price cut to $14.99. I've been wanting to get it for a while now since I'm too cheap and poor to buy Photoshop. Is it worth it?

I bought Pixelmator a while back because Photoshop was too expensive, and even though I have since bought Photoshop I still use Pixelmator the majority of the time. It's a lot more pleasant to use and has a lot of nice little touches, like adjusting the tolerance of the magic wand tool by clicking and dragging the mouse with a live preview of the selection.

It's still in the process of catching up on all of Photoshop's essential features though, which is why I still use Photoshop sometimes. I think the last major missing feature is layer styles. It's also kind of buggy sometimes, but it's been getting better recently.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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Slashkun posted:

Anyone here use CrystalClear Interface on your macs?

If so any recommendations for setting stuff up or any negative points to it? (im thinking of purchasing it as i am fed up for the horrible gray look to default OSX)

http://www.marsthemes.com/crystalclear/ <-- is the site for it

That is one of the most hideous things I've ever seen, and the fact that people would use it and even pay money for it is deeply troubling.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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Galg posted:

drat, I guess I misread that fullscreen thing on Apple's Mountain Lion site.

So, now you can fullscreen on external monitors, but it still renders the other display useless? I can't understand at all why Apple chooses to do fullscreen this way, it makes absolutely no sense.

I don't like how it works, but I think the idea is that each full-screen app generates its own space, and you can't have two spaces running on two different monitors simultaneously.

I think what would work best is if you had a set of spaces for each monitor. Even if I wasn't using full-screen apps I could see how it would be useful to maintain the same content on one screen while swiping through spaces on another. There'd be a few edge cases to work around, but I think it would work really well, and it would solve the lovely full-screen problem.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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Moeru posted:

Doesn't seem to be working. Latest build of lion. Tried on Evernote, Alfred and Mozy

Most apps that have a menu bar icon allow you to remove it in their preferences. In Alfred, open up preferences and go to Appearance > Options and check hide menu bar icon.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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Choadmaster posted:

Well, Apple can suck my balls. I just tried to go to Safari's Activity window to download a youtube vid and what the gently caress, it ain't there no more. Why remove such a useful feature? (Yes, feedback already submitted.)

Hey thanks for letting me know that that page exists. I just left a bunch of feedback on Safari 6's new web inspector. The network tab is so crippled that the browser is now unusable for development. Problems include:

  • You can no longer filter requests by type, so you can't look at just XHR requests
  • The request list doesn't show the request method or the full path of the request
  • Looking at an individual request also doesn't show you the request method, so it's impossible to tell if a request is a GET, POST, etc.
  • There's no way to see the body of a request, so you have no idea what gets sent to the server
  • JSON responses are no longer formatted, so you have to copy and paste them into a tool to make them readable

I don't really know what they were thinking. I really like the rest of the new functionality (the debugger in particular is really great) and the design, but some of the things that are missing are fundamentally necessary for development.

Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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I just accidentally discovered the best OS X secret. In any open or save dialogue, pressing Cmd+R will open a Finder window at the current location. Now you can actually delete/rename/move things without needing to navigate to that folder manually.

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Gordon Cole
Dec 23, 2005

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Martytoof posted:

I think the problem with Apple's email service is that it feels like they've got ADHD with the domain name. What will they recommend I use two years from now?

The annoying thing for me is that I started using @me.com instead of @mac.com years ago, but there are still a bunch of Apple services that force you to use mac.com or will convert me.com into mac.com, so my old email address is still constantly popping up all over the place.

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