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GoatSeeGuy
Dec 26, 2003

What if Jerome Walton made me a champion?


MrBond posted:

I have a friend with a 2011 MBA with a swollen battery. If they take it into a genius bar what can they expect? Is the $129 battery pricing the only option?

Generally once it hits 3-4 years old they'll replace the battery and repair any bulging damage for the normal battery price.

Just don't pop it to let the magic juice out.

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trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!
A Kickstarter project for a high-performance desktop GPU that can plug into a MacBook via Thunderbolt and is compatible with the Oculus Rift VR headset has raised its backing target of $50,000 in less than 24 hours.

quote:

The Wolfe is a portable box that contains an Nvidia desktop-class graphics card and connects to a MacBook or other laptop via Thunderbolt 2 (or potentially Thunderbolt 3), and promises vastly improved performance for gaming, virtual reality, graphic design, and video editing.

The team behind the Wolfe claims owners of newer laptops can expect performance increases up to 500 percent when using a Wolfe box, or up to 1000 percent with the Wolfe Pro, while older computers are said to see even more dramatic performance gains.

The box runs off a 220W PSU and has three DisplayPort 1.2 connections, one HDMI 2.0 and one DVI-I port. The Thunderbolt connection also offers the potential for more than one Wolfe box to be used with one laptop, for building a render farm or for a multi-monitor setup, say the makers.

Kickstarter early-bird pledges of $399 or more get backers a Wolfe box powered by a GTX 950 with the option of Thunderbolt 2 or 3 connectivity, while a standard pledge costs $449. An early-bird pledge for the Wolfe Pro is $549 ($599 for a standard pledge). A Wolfe DIY pack for modders who want to use their own GPU costs $269.

The makers note that while the Wolfe will increase laptop display performance, the best results are expected to come with using an external monitor or VR headset, due to the inherent bandwidth restrictions in Thunderbolt 2.

The project was conceived by a group of Harvard computer science graduates and Mac-owning gaming enthusiasts, after they hacked together a prototype GPU box in a DeWolfe dorm room at Harvard.

The team has continued to improve the hardware and software at the Harvard Innovation Lab, with the aim of making Macs "performance powerhouses" and "to stop big companies from charging outrageous prices for minuscule upgrades" by letting users take control of their computer's performance. The Kickstarter project page quotes a shipping aim of February 2017.

I know people in that department, and based on how crazy/crazy smart they are, I have every reason to believe that this is real.

Here's the Kickstarter:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thewolfe/the-wolfe-supercharge-your-laptop

Selected Excerpts (really, just go read the campaign if you're interested)

quote:

-The Wolfe contains an NVIDIA GTX 950 GPU - 768 cores operating at 1024MHz, for a peak compute power of 1.57 TeraFLOPS.

-The Wolfe Pro runs on an NVIDIA GTX 970 GPU - 1664 cores operating at 1050MHz, for a peak compute power of 3.49 TeraFLOPS.

What about NVIDIA's 10-series GPUs? As of right now, The Wolfe Pro includes an NVIDIA GTX 970. However, it's more than likely that Wolfe Pro level backers will be able to opt for the new GTX 1060 in our post-campaign survey for even better performance. See the FAQ for more information on this topic.

quote:

Desktop-level performance - On the laptop you already own

The Wolfe provides up to 5x the graphical power of your typical modern laptop - enough to completely support most of your gaming needs. And for professionals, enthusiasts, and VR users, the Wolfe Pro provides up to 10x the performance increase -- giving you more power than many desktops.

Thunderbolt equipped - Supercharge your laptop, old or new

The Wolfe is compatible with Thunderbolt 1, 2, and 3, so you can use it on any Thunderbolt-enabled laptop. (NOTE: The Thunderbolt 2 Wolfe will ONLY be available to Kickstarter backers. Per the eGFX standard, Wolfepack, Inc. will only use TB 3 technology moving forward.) Be sure to check our compatibility list for more information.

Thunderbolt 2 users: While the Wolfe will dramatically increase your performance on your laptop’s display, you will get the best results using an external monitor or VR headset. This is due to the inherent bandwidth restrictions in Thunderbolt 2.

Thunderbolt 3 users: You do not have to worry about internal vs. external display. Be sure to check our FAQ for more information.

You can pick whether you want a Thunderbolt 2 or Thunderbolt 3 Wolfe in our post-campaign backer survey.

Multiple Wolves - More wolves, even more power

The number of wolves you can use is only limited by the number of Thunderbolt ports you have. With two ports and two wolves, you can see insane boosts in performance. However, the benefits of this feature are entirely dependent on the applications you use, so be sure to check for multi-GPU support (Industry multi-GPU support for gaming isn't quite there yet).

quote:

The Wolfe works with any computer that has Thunderbolt. That means practically every Mac is compatible! This includes:

MacBook Air 11-inch, Mid 2011 – present
MacBook Air 13-inch, Mid 2011 – present
MacBook Pro Retina, 13-inch, Late 2012 – present
MacBook Pro Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2012 – present
MacBook Pro 13-inch, Early 2011 – present
MacBook Pro 15-inch, Early 2011 – present
Mac mini, Mid 2011 – present
iMac, Mid 2011 – present
Mac Pro, Late 2013 - present
The Wolfe is also compatible with any Windows laptop that is Thunderbolt-enabled!

Note: the 12-inch MacBook (with USB-C) does not feature Thunderbolt, and therefore is not compatible with the Wolfe.
Please don't hesitate to email us if you have questions about compatibility.

quote:

Can I swap in my own GPU?

We are modders at heart - you're welcome to take apart the Wolfe to try different GPUs (and they very well could work). Please understand, however, that this will void any warranties. We will also have an unofficial forum for all Wolfe users - including modders/hackers that want to try this out.

:unsmith: I want to believe :unsmith:

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

"But I can't play the latest games"
Get a PC ya doofus

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Quantum of Phallus posted:

"But I can't play the latest games"
Get a PC ya doofus

If a $400 box can greatly boost the useable lifespan of my 2013 15" rMBP with Thunderbolt 2 and even allow me to use it as a desktop PC with a monitor into the future, then that's great.

If it lets me turn a 5K iMac into a desktop with a legit graphics card that can power the internal display, then even better. Especially if it means spending potential BTO upgrade money there instead of on a nicer mobile GPU from Apple.

If you have a computer from the last, like, 4 years then the CPU probably won't be a hugely limiting factor for at least another 4, so something like this makes sense as a simple and relatively affordable upgrade.

Weedle
May 31, 2006




quote:

Multiple Wolves - More wolves, even more power

That's some good ad copy

Octopus Magic
Dec 19, 2003

I HATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU LIKE* AND I NEED TO BE SURE YOU ALL KNOW THAT EVERY TIME I POST

*unless it's a DSM in which case we cool ^_^
So still troubling shooting my 2009 mac pro:

Symptoms:

Refuses to boot most times. No startup chime, but I can hear the hard drives spinning/CPU Daughter board lights up, SMC lights are normal (I have trickle power, which makes me think it's not PSU related issues).

If I leave the system off for an extended period of time, the system will boot up for a while and operate normally.

I've changed ram to the original of the system (no LED ram check lights on either the original or the OWC 16 gig set I have), disconnected all the USB/Firewire devices/removed hard drives/tried a new video card (this made it worse), still can barely ever get startup chimes/full boot unless I wait overnight, and that's with all components connected even (usb/firewire/video etc)

I've attempted to boot without the video card in, and got nothing (as far as I could tell).

I've never had a system die on me like this. What the dilly-o. :smith:

eames
May 9, 2009

The problem with these TB2/TB3 enclosures is the protocol overhead and latency from translating between TB <-> PCIe.

Benchmarks have shown that you'll only get about half the performance compared to running natively via PCIe and slightly more than that when using an external monitor.
The performance hit seems to scale with higher end graphics card and higher resolutions.

In a nutshell these are great solutions for someone wanting to play games at acceptable frame-rates with a 13" Macbook Air but don't expect to plug a GTX1080 into your 15" rMBP and suddenly run games at 60 fps in native resolution. :(

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


It's super useful for people who need to give numerical calculations more oomph, also if the cards are OpenCL compliant itll help a lot of video rendering apps.

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

This avatar brought to you by the 'save our dead gay forums' foundation.

Binary Badger posted:

It's super useful for people who need to give numerical calculations more oomph, also if the cards are OpenCL compliant itll help a lot of video rendering apps.

How many of these people are using Macs, though? There's good CPU and GPU solutions to number crunching on a workstation machine, but if you're going for either a dual-socket Xeon workstation or a many-GPU CUDA or OpenCL solution Apple doesn't have a compelling option for either right now because they decided to never update the 2013 Mac Pro.

Entropy238
Oct 21, 2010

Fallen Rib
Something tells me that Apple will find a way to take a poo poo on people that wanna use that external GPU.

Aren't OS X's internal graphics processing stuff and support for things like Open GL completely wank?

Guess bootcamping is a possibility.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Entropy238 posted:

Aren't OS X's internal graphics processing stuff and support for things like Open GL completely wank?

Eh. Metal might help? But it needs you know, recent hardware and actual not-garbage drivers that are updated regularly. Neither of those things appear to be a priority for Apple. (NEW WATCHBANDS!!!)

The whole PC GAMING ON A MAC thing just needs to die already. I know it's been a dream of mine since like... the old G4 tower days. After the intel switch we thought OH MAN NOW IT'S TIME. It' ain't happening, and all the hardware kludges in the world ain't gonna get it there and are just pissing money away. Take your $600 or whatever and build yourself a decent gaming rig, stick it under the desk, and use Steam Streaming to play it on your Mac. That's as close as we're ever gonna get :[

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
<img alt="" border="0" src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-auron.jpg"/><br/>Drunken Robot Rage

I was offered an early 2014 Macbook Air 11" (128GB, 4GB) in like-new condition with 14 battery cycles for $375 from some dude at a retirement home. Worth it for a general around the house machine?

Auron fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Aug 24, 2016

Arsten
Feb 18, 2003

Entropy238 posted:

Something tells me that Apple will find a way to take a poo poo on people that wanna use that external GPU.

Apple is rumored to be added an eGPU to their next cinema display. So, they'll need a way to make them work.

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

This avatar brought to you by the 'save our dead gay forums' foundation.

Auron posted:

I was offered an early 2014 Macbook Air 11" (128GB, 4GB) in like-new condition with 14 battery cycles for $375 from some dude a retirement home. Worth it for a general around the house machine?

Yes, good deal. There's a world of difference between a Haswell MBA with 4G/128GB and the earlier ones we were telling people to beware.

Ass Catchcum
Dec 21, 2008
I REALLY NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP FOREVER.
So I have not had my book for about 2 weeks and haven't missed it at all. I'm thinking about converting to an iPad Pro. All I do is word/final draft and use Dropbox.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Arsten posted:

Apple is rumored to be added an eGPU to their next cinema display. So, they'll need a way to make them work.

You know that a year after someone starts selling third party eGPUs that work under boot camp they will have a big reveal at an event where they show off the apple branded one complete with some frosted tips esports douche to talk about how it's a revolutionary game changer.

Edit:

AlternateAccount posted:

. Take your $600 or whatever and build yourself a decent gaming rig, stick it under the desk,

This is what I did a year ago and I couldn't be happier. Still use the Mac for work (basically just lots of typing) but they lost me for entertainment that doesn't involve me balancing an iPad on my belly to watch Netflix while my wife snores.

Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Aug 24, 2016

Canned Sunshine
Nov 20, 2005

CAUTION: POST QUALITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION



AlternateAccount posted:

Eh. Metal might help? But it needs you know, recent hardware and actual not-garbage drivers that are updated regularly. Neither of those things appear to be a priority for Apple. (NEW WATCHBANDS!!!)

The whole PC GAMING ON A MAC thing just needs to die already. I know it's been a dream of mine since like... the old G4 tower days. After the intel switch we thought OH MAN NOW IT'S TIME. It' ain't happening, and all the hardware kludges in the world ain't gonna get it there and are just pissing money away. Take your $600 or whatever and build yourself a decent gaming rig, stick it under the desk, and use Steam Streaming to play it on your Mac. That's as close as we're ever gonna get :[

To be fair cMPs make great gaming towers - a bit long in the tooth, but put one or two X5690s in them, throw in whatever the best nVidia GPU you can afford is that's supported by nVidia Web Drivers, and use Boot Camp for those games that don't run too well/at all under OS X (read: most). Of course this is mostly for those who already have a 2009 - 2012 Mac Pro, but still, I've been enjoying it.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

AlternateAccount posted:

Eh. Metal might help? But it needs you know, recent hardware and actual not-garbage drivers that are updated regularly. Neither of those things appear to be a priority for Apple. (NEW WATCHBANDS!!!)

The whole PC GAMING ON A MAC thing just needs to die already. I know it's been a dream of mine since like... the old G4 tower days. After the intel switch we thought OH MAN NOW IT'S TIME. It' ain't happening, and all the hardware kludges in the world ain't gonna get it there and are just pissing money away. Take your $600 or whatever and build yourself a decent gaming rig, stick it under the desk, and use Steam Streaming to play it on your Mac. That's as close as we're ever gonna get :[

I just want to have one computer for all the things. :qq:

HorseHeadBed
May 6, 2009
I've got a week old Apple refurbed rMBP 13. The battery is showing 41% and 2 hrs 10 min. Is there a bedding in process, or do I have a crappy battery? I'm only running safari and Scrivener at the moment, with screen brightness about 2/3rds of the way up.

HorseHeadBed fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Aug 24, 2016

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



HorseHeadBed posted:

I've got a week old Apple refurbed rMBP 13. The battery is showing 41% and 2 hrs 10 min. Is there a bedding in process, or do I have a crappy battery? I'm only running safari and Scrivener at the moment, with screen brightness about 2/3rds of the way up.

referred? Do you mean refurbished?

If you bought it refurbished through Apple, definitely contact Apple (or go into the store). You have the same warranty as "new out of box", and 41% is well below the threshold where Apple will replace a battery on an In warranty device.

EDIT: I think I misread your question. If you're asking if 2 hours 10 mins is normal for a battery with 41% charge left, that's going to be highly dependent on what you have loaded. Do what the post below me says.

Proteus Jones fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Aug 24, 2016

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

HorseHeadBed posted:

I've got a week old Apple refurbed rMBP 13. The battery is showing 41% and 2 hrs 10 min. Is there a bedding in process, or do I have a crappy battery? I'm only running safari and Scrivener at the moment, with screen brightness about 2/3rds of the way up.

Open up Activity Monitor, sort by energy impact and screenshot/post it here.

HorseHeadBed
May 6, 2009
OK, thanks. I've been on charge for a while now.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Whatever sites you are on are trashing your battery (misbehaving plugin or extension, whatever Safari calls them)
And so is what we Sonos is, draining a ton of power

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



Gonna guess one of those sites is Facebook. Even with cleansers installed that site is such an evil, resource eating piece of crap.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

eames posted:

The problem with these TB2/TB3 enclosures is the protocol overhead and latency from translating between TB <-> PCIe.

Benchmarks have shown that you'll only get about half the performance compared to running natively via PCIe and slightly more than that when using an external monitor.
The performance hit seems to scale with higher end graphics card and higher resolutions.

In a nutshell these are great solutions for someone wanting to play games at acceptable frame-rates with a 13" Macbook Air but don't expect to plug a GTX1080 into your 15" rMBP and suddenly run games at 60 fps in native resolution. :(

I don't think this is true. It might've been for thunderbolt 1, but AnandTech is suggesting an average performance hit of ~10% on high-end cards (in tb3 docks) and even then it's not a universal fact. In fairness I think that's on an exterior monitor, but it's a far cry from slightly more than about half.

eames
May 9, 2009

mediaphage posted:

I don't think this is true. It might've been for thunderbolt 1, but AnandTech is suggesting an average performance hit of ~10% on high-end cards (in tb3 docks) and even then it's not a universal fact. In fairness I think that's on an exterior monitor, but it's a far cry from slightly more than about half.

You don't have to take my word for it. :)

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3552651&pagenumber=498&perpage=40#post463302016


This is in a TB3 enclosure before the additional 10-15% performance hit for running on an internal display: (picture by linustechtips)

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

eames posted:

You don't have to take my word for it. :)

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3552651&pagenumber=498&perpage=40#post463302016


This is in a TB3 enclosure before the additional 10-15% performance hit for running on an internal display: (picture by linustechtips)



Ahhahhhahha linustechtips. Sorry, you should get some numbers from an actual reputable source.

I mean, it's quite believable that there is a performance hit, but you can't quantify it from that clown's review. He did his usual thing and totally screwed up his test. He didn't even attempt to control other variables! He used a Broadwell-E desktop as the baseline, and a Razer laptop as the TB3 system. The razer laptop ships with a quad-core mobile CPU in the same 45W TDP bin that Apple puts in the 15" rMBP. That's a fast mobile CPU, but its base clock rate is somewhere around 2.5 GHz iirc. That's not gonna do well compared to a 140W desktop behemoth with 6 or more cores and a base clock of 3.4 GHz (in the low end 6-core).

And, whaddya know, from very brief searching, it sounds like Rise of the Tomb Raider may be a very CPU limited game...

poemdexter
Feb 18, 2005

Hooray Indie Games!

College Slice

eames posted:

You don't have to take my word for it. :)

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3552651&pagenumber=498&perpage=40#post463302016


This is in a TB3 enclosure before the additional 10-15% performance hit for running on an internal display: (picture by linustechtips)



Unlabeled x-axis... a good chart.

Anyone familiar with running 4k monitors off of macbook pros? At work I have a thunderbolt display and another monitor (1900x1080) hooked to my macbook and it's wonderful. I started to look at dell monitors since the thunderbolt displays are no longer sold, and then realized the 4k monitors that dell has are affordable but was worried I wouldn't be able to run 2 of them off my late 2013 mbp. Internet is telling me mixed things but it looks like apple's official page says I can run just 1 4k monitor.

poemdexter fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Aug 25, 2016

eames
May 9, 2009

BobHoward posted:

Ahhahhhahha linustechtips. Sorry, you should get some numbers from an actual reputable source.

I mean, it's quite believable that there is a performance hit, but you can't quantify it from that clown's review. He did his usual thing and totally screwed up his test. He didn't even attempt to control other variables! He used a Broadwell-E desktop as the baseline, and a Razer laptop as the TB3 system. The razer laptop ships with a quad-core mobile CPU in the same 45W TDP bin that Apple puts in the 15" rMBP. That's a fast mobile CPU, but its base clock rate is somewhere around 2.5 GHz iirc. That's not gonna do well compared to a 140W desktop behemoth with 6 or more cores and a base clock of 3.4 GHz (in the low end 6-core).

And, whaddya know, from very brief searching, it sounds like Rise of the Tomb Raider may be a very CPU limited game...

That may very well be but why would an Asus engineer say that they found TB3 performance lacking if it's not the case?

Please feel free to post some scientifically sound numbers from more reputable sources, until then I'll believe the 30-50% performance hit compared to native PCIe. All I see is underwhelming performance or vaporware.

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




poemdexter posted:

Unlabeled x-axis... a good chart.

Anyone familiar with running 4k monitors off of macbook pros? At work I have a thunderbolt display and another monitor (1900x1080) hooked to my macbook and it's wonderful. I started to look at dell monitors since the thunderbolt displays are no longer sold, and then realized the 4k monitors that dell has are affordable but was worried I wouldn't be able to run 2 of them off my late 2013 mbp. Internet is telling me mixed things but it looks like apple's official page says I can run just 1 4k monitor.

I've used one 4k display with my 13" 2015 rMBP, it works flawlessly. 2 might be a bit of an ask. I'd go with whatever the official site says or maybe check Reddit's Apple section as well.

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

eames posted:

That may very well be but why would an Asus engineer say that they found TB3 performance lacking if it's not the case?

Please feel free to post some scientifically sound numbers from more reputable sources, until then I'll believe the 30-50% performance hit compared to native PCIe. All I see is underwhelming performance or vaporware.

I watched that Asus video. It is very, very vague. There are no specifics whatsoever.

All I'm taking issue with is the specific claim of it being well proven that there's a massive 30-50% hit. No, that's not proven, the test you're citing was done by a notoriously incompetent buffoon and unsurprisingly there are obvious flaws. Wait until someone who actually knows how to test poo poo gives it a try before you go around being stone cold certain that it's a number as bad as 30% let alone 50%.

(the sad thing is that we probably won't get a really good test. Asus and other OEMs aren't really great because obviously anything they say to the public is at least partly for marketing reasons. The one PC journalist I'd trust (Anand) to really pull out all the stops to make sure the numbers would be influenced only by the presence or absence of thunderbolt silicon between system and graphics card is no longer available to do it, because he decided to actually use his engineering degree and works for apple now :v:. Some of the people he let take over his site are okay-ish but IDK if there's any of them who could really do a proper deep dive on this specific topic.)

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

FYI, Cheese NIPS are not the same as Cheez ITS
Anandtech is still great but they seem to be resource constrained even though they got bought out. Content is still relatively few and far between.

They'll probably keep getting iOS review samples though.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

MrBond posted:

Anandtech is still great but they seem to be resource constrained even though they got bought out. Content is still relatively few and far between.

They'll probably keep getting iOS review samples though.

Yeah, I wish they could raise their throughput and maintain quality, but it's hard when you don't hold the major purse strings.

BobHoward posted:

I watched that Asus video. It is very, very vague. There are no specifics whatsoever.

All I'm taking issue with is the specific claim of it being well proven that there's a massive 30-50% hit. No, that's not proven, the test you're citing was done by a notoriously incompetent buffoon and unsurprisingly there are obvious flaws. Wait until someone who actually knows how to test poo poo gives it a try before you go around being stone cold certain that it's a number as bad as 30% let alone 50%.

(the sad thing is that we probably won't get a really good test. Asus and other OEMs aren't really great because obviously anything they say to the public is at least partly for marketing reasons. The one PC journalist I'd trust (Anand) to really pull out all the stops to make sure the numbers would be influenced only by the presence or absence of thunderbolt silicon between system and graphics card is no longer available to do it, because he decided to actually use his engineering degree and works for apple now :v:. Some of the people he let take over his site are okay-ish but IDK if there's any of them who could really do a proper deep dive on this specific topic.)

I feel like the content on the site is largely identical save for his own (admittedly specialized / valuable posts). Still miles better than linustechtips. He's fine for basic things, but his advanced topics stuff really shows his limitations, I mean just look at the nonsense about raid.

We'll get plenty of tests, though, don't worry. There's nothing nerds like more than posting numbers, and not everyone will run an incompetent benchmark in the forums.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?
I have a 2009 iMac. Have any of you replaced the hard drive with a SSD? It looks like a pain in the rear end, but I'm curious about how improved the performance will be. I'm also worried about having an 8 year old hard drive that might fail soon.
I don't use it for too many strenuous tasks, but I think adding an SSD would bring it up to date without having to buy a whole new computer.

Weedle
May 31, 2006




Armacham posted:

I have a 2009 iMac. Have any of you replaced the hard drive with a SSD? It looks like a pain in the rear end, but I'm curious about how improved the performance will be. I'm also worried about having an 8 year old hard drive that might fail soon.
I don't use it for too many strenuous tasks, but I think adding an SSD would bring it up to date without having to buy a whole new computer.

It'll be like night and day, trust me. Best upgrade you can make.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Armacham posted:

I have a 2009 iMac. Have any of you replaced the hard drive with a SSD? It looks like a pain in the rear end, but I'm curious about how improved the performance will be. I'm also worried about having an 8 year old hard drive that might fail soon.
I don't use it for too many strenuous tasks, but I think adding an SSD would bring it up to date without having to buy a whole new computer.

Do you have the 24" or 21.5"?

I have upgraded the 21.5" with SSD's. Very easy, just pop the glass off, use a torx screwdriver to remove the LCD panel, disconnect a few cables on the back of the screen, then replace the HD with an SSD.

The only trick is the temp sensor on the HD - you have a few options. You can leave it unplugged but your iMac will turn the fans up to full blast because it thinks the drive is hot - you can control the fans with software (smcfancontrol was one) or you can buy a sensor like this to plug in (https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/DIDIMACHDD09/ cheaper options exist) or I haven't tried it but I have heard you can just jumper the sensor with a small wire

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?

Bob Morales posted:

Do you have the 24" or 21.5"?

I have upgraded the 21.5" with SSD's. Very easy, just pop the glass off, use a torx screwdriver to remove the LCD panel, disconnect a few cables on the back of the screen, then replace the HD with an SSD.

The only trick is the temp sensor on the HD - you have a few options. You can leave it unplugged but your iMac will turn the fans up to full blast because it thinks the drive is hot - you can control the fans with software (smcfancontrol was one) or you can buy a sensor like this to plug in (https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/DIDIMACHDD09/ cheaper options exist) or I haven't tried it but I have heard you can just jumper the sensor with a small wire

I have the 24" but I don't think the process is too different. I don't have any torx drivers or anything tho, so I will probably end up buying one of the kits from OWC, if not the drive from them.

I think my main concern with popping the glass off is getting everything put back together and finding a cat hair or a piece of dust right in the middle of the screen lol

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Armacham posted:

I think my main concern with popping the glass off is getting everything put back together and finding a cat hair or a piece of dust right in the middle of the screen lol

Really. Don't own pets if you're going to do this. I've basically given up on applying a screen glare film for my iPad because no matter how clean everything is, there's that one pet hair that manages to infiltrate wherever I'm applying it and landing exactly where I don't want it.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Armacham posted:

I have the 24" but I don't think the process is too different. I don't have any torx drivers or anything tho, so I will probably end up buying one of the kits from OWC, if not the drive from them.

I think my main concern with popping the glass off is getting everything put back together and finding a cat hair or a piece of dust right in the middle of the screen lol

I'd buy a Samsung EVO 850 from Amazon/NewEgg. Lay the glass down on something like a clean towel and then use some canned air to blow off any dust before you put it back on. Just try not to get fingerprints on the back of it.

If you don't have torx drivers go to Harbor Frieght or even Sears and get a little set of torx bits for like $4

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Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?
Yeah good call. I think I can get the suction cups at harbor freight for about $2 as well.

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