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Vivian Darkbloom posted:My 2009 13" MBP gets a geekbench score of 3280, and the new macbook airs (with i5) score about 6100. How seriously should I take that? Would I really see a giant jump in performance (at least in CPU tasks)? The old 2009 ran on the Core 2 CPU line, so going to a much newer CPU makes a big difference.
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a bad poster yall posted:
The Air is nice and price-wise is pretty competitive with the higher end Ultrabooks when you look at the feature list.
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Jun 18, 2012 15:59
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:The lastest Air models are kind of a minor revision, right? I'm thinking it might be wise to replace my 2009 13" MBP with a 2011 Air to save a little money. Biggest improvement is getting much stronger integrated video if you are interested in light gaming but yes it's not a massive improvement over Sandy Bridge. Also has USB 3.0 which brings in many improvements such as being able sleep charge using the laptop battery for connected devices and also higher current output for charging via USB.
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Jun 19, 2012 16:44
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flyboi posted:Granted, when they fail, it is catastrophic because they just quit working flat out but every positive has a negative but I don't think a consumer will really "wear out" their ssd unless they use their computer for 10 years or went cheap. Yeah and most consumer electronics only has 3-5 year life before the next upgrade/replacement.
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Jun 21, 2012 04:09
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nickutz posted:Glad I opted for the 8GB ram option though; it looks like you're stuck with whatever amount you choose. Yup a majority of the ultra-slim computers are really not designed to be easy to upgrade or take apart. So it makes sense to future proof it if it does not lead to a massive increase in price. etalian fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jun 21, 2012 |
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Jun 21, 2012 18:01
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:So my new 13" MBA gets hot to the tough - hot enough to burn me - if it's doing intensive stuff. Is this range normal? I guess it's the other downside of the thin laptop fad, it's really tough to do good cooling without the extra volume and space for more fans.
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Jun 25, 2012 01:21
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FlashBangBob posted:Anyone have had used the 2011 Air and the 2012 Air now and be willing to shed light on any major differences with performance, and if it's really at all noticeable? The jump is small to the point that upgrading to a 2012 is pretty pointless. If you have one the much older ones like the older Core 2 models it makes sense to upgrade but going from Sandy Bridge->Ivy Bridge is not a massive increase in performance. Ivy Bridge does also improve 3D game performance by a good amount but for most laptop applications such as media you will not notice a big difference.
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Jun 27, 2012 12:03
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a bad poster yall posted:I can afford the retina over the Air, but if I do go for it I want to make sure that I don't feel guilty for dropping that much money on a computer while I'm still not earning a huge amount. I need to do more testing in store. In all the fairness the whining about Macs being really overpriced only applies to the MBP, the Air is really competitively priced compared to other high end Ultrabooks. And the Air has the advantage of being slowly polished over the years while 2nd Gen Ultrabooks still have a few annoying weaknesses. And you should always buy stuff within your means instead of splurging on the really expensive models.
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Jun 29, 2012 00:51
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Lexicon posted:The 11" Air is an absolutely incredible little machine. I just got a 2012 model with the 8GB upgrade, and it is fantastic. So drat fast, and perfect for virtualization. Yeah being able to upgrade the Air to 8GB is another nice feature if you need the extra muscle.
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Jun 29, 2012 01:52
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Uuudar posted:Totally, especially considering you can get a refurbished 2011 13" i7 256GB which performs the same as the current gen i5 for $1200 whereas other manufacturers ultrabooks are $1500+ for worse poo poo, it makes the Air a steal. And the only big difference in Ivy Bridge is getting much better integrated graphics, a refurb is a good deal if all you care about is using the Mac Air for media/hauling around purposes.
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Jun 29, 2012 12:19
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mediaphage posted:Nobody cares when your MacBook Pro is going to arrive, for pete's sake. Well without PC adoption it will probably remain a somewhat niche product, especially given the higher price for things such as docking stations.
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Jun 29, 2012 19:50
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Bob Morales posted:It also doesn't help that the low-end consumer display market will probably never adopt TB or even DP - if Intel forced motherboard makers using their chipsets to drop DVI/VGA (why the gently caress are motherboards still shipping with VGA outputs, this is 2012) and forced them to use a TB port for video out, that might shift things. Yeah I wonder why it's not more popular given that it's owned by Intel on the technical and not some sort of secret license standard. It's a really interesting concept since allows to do away with a pile of different connector types for video and ethernet. etalian fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Jun 30, 2012 |
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Jun 30, 2012 00:15
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spaceship posted:Special delivery today! Can't wait to fill it with 4k res porn So the 751GB free space will get put to good use with a Misc. Pics folder?
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Jul 3, 2012 22:40
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spaceship posted:I ordered a few hours after it was announced. The estimated ship date was July 9th - it came early. It shipped Sunday and was in my hands this morning. So which bank did you rob to pay for a Pro with that specs?
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Jul 3, 2012 23:38
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Sonic Dude posted:It's not an accidental damage plan, it's basically a warranty. Yes just think of it as extended 3 year warranty with no coverage for damage or theft unless you pay some more money for the better plan. And it's nicer in many ways since you can take the dead laptop into a brick and mortar store for repair even for international locations for faster repair time. In all fairness a majority of other companies don't offer more than a 1 year warranty for their laptops. You can buy it anytime within the 1 year standard year warranty window.
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Jul 4, 2012 19:54
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Plorkyeran posted:Every company that isn't completely incompetent does as they're very profitable. Yeah infant mortality means a majority of laptops will fail within 1 year if there's a problem, after that the probability greatly decrease. So the extended warranty ends up being a good money for nothing money making machine. Also difference with Applecare is you have a brick and mortar store to handle the warranty even at international locations instead of doing the shipping drill.
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Jul 5, 2012 01:56
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Small White Dragon posted:If I want to buy Applecare for a new MBP after the fact, does it matter whether it's a retina or not? No just think of it as a extended warranty but you have to buy it within a year of your purchase date.
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Jul 12, 2012 04:10
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Small White Dragon posted:Sorry, I was actually trying to figure out if I had to buy a different Applecare for Retina MBPs. And it's probably worth it given that the Retina MBP is even worse than the Air in terms of being able to disassemble and repair the unit.
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Sprat Sandwich posted:If you like using your genitalia in the future don't roam YouTube for music videos with the computer on your lap. Also when I changed the thermal paste it made no difference so YMMV. And laptops also require a small gap on the bottom for good cooling through the bottom vents so not using in on a table is bad thermally.
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Jul 21, 2012 16:31
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a bad poster yall posted:Get the 8GB of RAM and it'll be more than good enough. And it's not a big price increase in the cost given that upgrading the thing down the road if you change you mind is impossible.
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Jul 22, 2012 15:14
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ChocNitty posted:I'm pleasantly surprised with how capable the new Macbook Air's integrated graphics are. I thought i'd be stuck playing mahjong and pinball, but i'm running Borderlands, Portal 2, and Diablo 3 pretty well. Yeah big improvement in integrated graphics is the best selling point of the Ivy Bridge CPUs since it helps make even the Air more general purpose.
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Aug 12, 2012 23:03
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The Slippery Nipple posted:Yea I was thinking this, but I've never owned a PC before and it all seems so foreign and weird You can get a decent Thinkpad T-series for around $1000.
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AbsoluteLlama posted:I was in a Microsoft Store the other day (amusingly I was headed to an Apple Store to pick up an iPhone and the MS store was across the street) and some of the newer notebooks actually have halfway decent touchpads. The OS support is still kind of bad, but they were bigger than a postage stamp and actually weren't completely awful. It all boils down to Apple having control of the software and the hardware unlike in the PC world were you see a much bigger variation in trackpad hardware quality/software.
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Shmoogy posted:I'm going to agree with Bob unless you really really want the additional portability of the 13, the one you want to get is the 15 rMBP-- especially if you're going to get the upgraded HDD in the 13 (base 15 has the 256gb SSD already)-- for the small amount of extra money, at that point, it's a much better performer. And B&H Photo has a black friday 15" rMBP pro for $2100 including Apple care, it's a much better deal than getting a 13" rMBP.
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barfoid posted:that is indeed an insanely sick deal that I would jump on post haste but im not seeing it on the site? Here's the link: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/871860-REG/Apple_MC975LL_A_15_4_MacBook_Pro_Notebook.html It's $2059 if you don't want apple care but can add it in for $120. Certainly a much nicer deal IMO than the 13" rMBP since it comes with dedicated graphics, Quad coure i7 and also a 256MB SSD for the base model pricing. And if you have slightly deeper picket Fry's has the 512MB SSD version for $2400. etalian fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Nov 20, 2012 |
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iceslice posted:Just to be clear are they referring to all machines, regardless of any warranty status? It's a similar concept to a auto recall, you get free of charge repair even if the Mac is past the 1 year standard warranty window.
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Vedder posted:
The Pro is the best option overall and the non-retina is noticeably easier to upgrade.
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Vedder posted:I have just had a look and they have the i7 I was looking at for £1,059, refurbs are generally tested quite extensively before dispatch? Yes a Apple refurb carries the same 1 year warranty as a new laptop and you can also upgrade to Applecare within the 1 year window.
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mediaphage posted:Oh man just buy the Air, especially if you're looking at a non-Retina MBP. They're heavier, fatter, with noticeably worse displays (1280x800 vs 1440x900 on the MBA), etc. Please do yourself a favor and get the Air. If you honestly need more space for movies, or something, buy an SD card. And the convenience factor for the overall weight/dimensions makes the Air a better choice for most people even the 13" Retina sort of blurred the design differences.
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Bob Morales posted:But you still only have dual-core CPU's in the Air and integrated graphics. The old Mini could have a quad-core i7 and ATI graphics but the current one is integrated-only, isn't it? Yup all the new minis go with intel 4000 integrated graphics, so at least graphics and processor-wise it's not much different than the MBA.
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Dec 3, 2012 16:59
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Jack Flint posted:Has anyone else experienced this? It's mostly just a minor annoyance, and being laptop-less for a week or two (I assume) doesn't sound appealing so I'm wondering what to do, if anything. If you aren't satisfied then it's best to return the product for a replacement within the 14 day window. And any sort of noticeable damage such as warped body will give less resell value in the future.
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Dec 3, 2012 18:03
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Mu Zeta posted:I checked out the new 21" yesterday as well and they all chugged. It's because of the crappy 5400rpm 2.5" laptop hard drives in them. I asked the store people and they didn't have any Fusion drive models on the floor yet. The processor and graphics are plenty powerful, it's the balls slow budget hard drive they stuck in there. It's sort of amusing how apple still uses the lovely 5400rpm drives but I imagine it's all part of their effective price point marketing to make the higher price tag upgrades more desirable.
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jink posted:This thing is absolute poo poo. The worst adapter I have ever had the displeasure of using. Sleep->Resume usually results in digital snow, sometimes the display randomly cuts out while being used. It's a rampant problem with these adapters with no fix in sight from Apple. gently caress these things! At least the new rMBP finally come with a standard HDMI connector to help avoid all the adapter cable grief.
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AlternateAccount posted:Yeah I've already got the great PC. This might be what I end up doing. I kinda hate having a laptop sitting on my desk 95% of the time that I never take anywhere, but eh. And the 13" MBA is pretty much the best in terms of convenience due to the light weight and small form factor. And for most basic tasks such as web browsing or steaming videos there's really not a big delta in performance to the more expensive or comparable cost MBP models. And in many cases it' even better since the "old" clunky MBP doesn't even come with a SSD in the standard model. The Retina MBP did slim down the dimensions/weight but are a bit too expensive right now to be a cost effective replacement for the MBA.
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iostream.h posted:Great, thank you for that. Another big advantage of the non-retina MBP is it's somewhat easy to upgrade/repair assuming you had the right tools. The rMPG were designed to discourage people from doing upgrades by gluing the batteries and display screen to the chassis making it risky to remove things without doing big damage to the hardware.
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evensevenone posted:"Our education system isn't good enough" is CEO-speak for "we don't want to train people and we don't want to pay the salaries that experienced people deserve." Moving things overseas is pretty much driven by the drive to greatly increase the bottom line since overall labor costs are cheaper and also has the bonus about not worrying about things such as environmental/employee treatment regulations. It's pretty much making the bottom line better by subjecting people to dangerous industrial revolution like hours and working conditions.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Look through any of the last 50 pages of this thread, dude. Don't get a 13" MBP- especially for what you're planning to do with it. Get a 13" Macbook Air and never look back. And for something like hauling a laptop back and forth for school projects, the MBA just ends up being more practical.
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pluckyginger posted:I think this is definitely a great idea. I checked the OP and skimmed the most recent bit of the thread and managed to completely miss any arguments. The OP even mentions that if you're in engineering/science/math you should get a MBP. If I had known what I was starting I would have read the entire thread start-to-finish, haha. Well a bigger factor in the recommendation for the shift from MBP to Air from a nerd perspective is the Air used to have lots of problems such as overheating, CPU throttling problems and not as nice performance as the MBP models. But as CPUs improved in terms of thermal dissipation for 2010 onwards the amount of performance delta shrunk and the Air even has a advantage when you compare it to a non-SSD MBP. The Air started out with lots of annoying technical problems but thanks to better parts for things such as the CPU it really competes well as the best mainstream option for most people. And the MBA price also got more competitive over time as well such as the most recent Ivy Bridge model getting a $100 price cut.
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OrganizedEntropy posted:Is it worth looking at the 13" rMBP as well? The 15" rMBP is a beast in terms specs but it comes at the cost of being the clunky form factor. That leaves the 13" rMBP or MBA, the performance difference isn't as much since they are both come with the i7 2 Core CPU and also 8GB Of RAM once you upgrade the Air. I would get rMPB 13" since someone else is paying and it has slightly better overall performance than the MBA due to the faster CPU clock speed. Plus you get a much nicer IPS high resolution screen and bit more plush keyboard vs. the MBA.
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OrganizedEntropy posted:I've been dragging around a 15" MBP for years, so the form factor really doesn't bother me. Seeing as the newer ones are thinner and lighter anyhow, it's still going in the correct direction. Ignoring the size and price, is there any reason NOT to upgrade to the 15" rMBP over the 13" rMBP? The 15" rMBP is much nicer overall in terms of raw performance due to having a dedicated GPU and also a real 4 core i7. And if you could handle dragging around the the old MBP on a regular basis while on travel then the new one will work good since it has significant weight and overall dimensions improvements vs. the old design.
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