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I...don't know what to think of this, the Lois and Clark is apparently the more important reboot in a Mephisto "I want your marriage" kind of way. Let's hope they at least try to make good stories. Edit: Martian Manhunter is out of the picture? And, is there's some Crisis out there that I didn't heard about to lead to this, is Flashpoint responsible. LinkShady fucked around with this message at Jul 26, 2011 around 04:28 |
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Identity Crisis was so bad it made me retcon DC out of my comics collection for a looooong while. 
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Every character in that Jim Lee JLA cover looks so goddamn bored. I hate his art.
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LinkShady posted:I...don't know what to think of this, the Lois and Clark is apparently the more important reboot in a Mephisto "I want your marriage" kind of way. Martian Manhunter is in a different set of books, but he's still around. This is all the result of Flashpoint somehow. Nobody knows how, although odds are pretty good on "Barry somehow fucks up while fixing everything."
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Grandpa Pap posted:Identity Crisis was so bad it made me retcon DC out of my comics collection for a looooong while. I read Identity Crisis in trade form long after it was initially released. I consider an Elseworld. A very very bad Elseworld.
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Madkal posted:I read Identity Crisis in trade form long after it was initially released. I consider an Elseworld. A very very bad Elseworld. To this day I have an automatic internal  whenever I see a Brad Meltzer novel on the stands.
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LinkShady posted:Edit: Martian Manhunter is out of the picture? Martian Manhunter is in Stormwatch now. Right there on the cover of #1 with (I love Stormwatch, The Authority, and both those guys. This is what's going to finally get me onboard with the DCU.) Why is DC being totally rebooted, though?
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Jenova Project posted:Why is DC being totally rebooted, though? We went through thousands of posts on this already. There was no good answer. The best explanation is just that the reboot is, factually, happening.
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LinkShady posted:I...don't know what to think of this, the Lois and Clark is apparently the more important reboot in a Mephisto "I want your marriage" kind of way.
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I never paid attention to GL on the cover, but now that I have, I cant unsee his giant dickgun.
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Flameingblack posted:If anyone's wonder, confirmed "Major events" are: They've also confirmed the Death of Superman is canon. At least in relation to Superboy and Steel's origins, which have been confirmed unchanged. Which means, by proxy, Doomsday still happened at some point.
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Was there ever any mention if our pal Eel O'Brian will show up somewhere? For the 20 or so of us diehard Plas fans...
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Jenova Project posted:Why is DC being totally rebooted, though? Short answer? Because Dan Didio.
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BAWRLIN posted:Was there ever any mention if our pal Eel O'Brian will show up somewhere? Unless Kyle Baker has more time to crank out an enjoyable Plastic Man, I don't see what's the point to throw him in the DC proper.
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I don't need him to be in his own title, I just need him to be.
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Fantabulero posted:Short answer? Because Dan Didio.
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DynamicSloth posted:See also: Why is DC doing so badly that rebooting seems like a sane option? Suddenly not minding Supergirl's last redesign, which made her look like a 30 year old business woman that came to terms that she'll never have a boyfriend in her life.
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Fantabulero posted:Short answer? Because Dan Didio.  Going back on Vic's death as the Question would be horrendously stupid given how prominently they're pushing the diversity angle with all this business. Plus, it's not like it's something that needs 52 or that specific version of events to be retold to have it be in-universe. It's a pretty simple backstory to expound on for a legacy character, all things told.
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Dan Didio posted:
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Flameingblack posted:A lot of things from 52 need to stick because quite frankly, it's one of the only big events that didn't suck. I agree, wholeheartedly, and it's kind of a shame to not have seen it on the list of 'poo poo that sticks' because it wasn't a failure or anything and it's relatively inoffensive to impliment the ideas in it and cut around the few that wouldn't gel. All in all, I'm 100% sure that Renee-Question is going to stick.
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What's the best way for someone who hasn't read a huge amount of DC before to get involved in this relaunch? Just buy a bunch of comics and see how it goes or are some going to be more 'introduction' than others? Current plan is to just buy what takes my fancy, but I don't want to miss a hidden gem or find out that there's a story going on elsewhere I should also be reading for the full picture.
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Major Ryan posted:What's the best way for someone who hasn't read a huge amount of DC before to get involved in this relaunch? Just buy a bunch of comics and see how it goes or are some going to be more 'introduction' than others?
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Grandpa Pap posted:Identity Crisis was so bad it made me retcon DC out of my comics collection for a looooong while. Does this mean Batman was still mind wiped? Also nthing on hating Identity Crisis.
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ImpAtom posted:This is all the result of Flashpoint somehow. Nobody knows how, although odds are pretty good on "Barry somehow fucks up while fixing everything." That makes sense, it's just that Flashpoint has feel...Unepic. Like the most elaborate and boring elseworlds ever. i also don't like how Final Crisis isn't cannon, but seeing how Morrison is doning Superman I can see how he can meta-explain the reboot.
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LinkShady posted:That makes sense, it's just that Flashpoint has feel...Unepic. Like the most elaborate and boring elseworlds ever. I was about to bitch about the lack of Final Crisis and the lack of 52--and probably bitch about Identity Crisis and Infinite Crisis staying in--but, gently caress it. Morrison on Superman proper is the best thing that could've possibly happened to the franchise, and I can safely read the funnybooks that interest me and totally ignore the overarching universal narrative pretty safely. ...is it cynical to think that Identity Crisis stayed because it defined Dr. Light's entire character for the last five years? I don't want to believe that DC really loves having a rapist for a supervillain, but that's the only long-term effect from the series that I can actually think of, with the rest of the major players being dead or forgotten about. Also, yeah, Flashpoint is the most ho-hum storyline I can think of that was intended to reboot the universe. I'm just getting a certain apathetic air from this whole event, like it was a corporate mandate handed down from lightyears above the heads of anyone on staff--which obviously isn't true. Have I just lost my childlike exuberance for comics? I totally forgot about Azz/Risso on the Bats Flashpoint, though. As odd as that's been, I loving love those guys and kind of like anything that leads to them working together again. Saint-X fucked around with this message at Jul 26, 2011 around 17:22 |
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LinkShady posted:That makes sense, it's just that Flashpoint has feel...Unepic. Like the most elaborate and boring elseworlds ever.
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DynamicSloth posted:See also: Why is DC doing so badly that rebooting seems like a sane option? Exactly. This is why, aside from a small handful of creators I trust implicitly (Morrison, for example) I don't have much faith in DC management/editorial to get this right. I mean, it's the same people in charge who've been fumbling the ball for, what, seven years straight? Nothing's out yet, so it's too early to call. But based on past evidence, I don't see a single reason to give them the benefit of the doubt yet.
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Fantabulero posted:Exactly. This is why, aside from a small handful of creators I trust implicitly (Morrison, for example) I don't have much faith in DC management/editorial to get this right. I mean, it's the same people in charge who've been fumbling the ball for, what, seven years straight? I'm not necessarily stoked for the majority of the reboot, but I certainly feel like I'm going to be buying again out of genuine curiosity rather than out of habit like I currently am. Other than the Batman Flashpoint book, yeah this takes the crown of shittiest world-resetting storylines DC ever had. It's purely a means to an end, and even if it didn't end with a reboot it would still be boring and terrible.
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So if Roy Harper never had Lian, why is he a killer now who's joining up with Jason Todd?
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Space_Butler posted:I don't have much faith in the management, but at the very least some of the writer changeovers will put us in a much better spot than we were. It sucks that we're losing things like Miller on Batgirl, but we're getting a Morrison Superman, a Johns JLA (compared to Robinson's run, regardless of your thoughts on Johns, that IS an improvement), and a Teen Titans that at least has a question mark of quality rather than the definite sucking we're seeing now. Space_Butler posted:I'm not necessarily stoked for the majority of the reboot, but I certainly feel like I'm going to be buying again out of genuine curiosity rather than out of habit like I currently am. Space_Butler posted:Other than the Batman Flashpoint book, yeah this takes the crown of shittiest world-resetting storylines DC ever had. It's purely a means to an end, and even if it didn't end with a reboot it would still be boring and terrible. Fantabulero fucked around with this message at Jul 26, 2011 around 17:48 |
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E the Shaggy posted:So if Roy Harper never had Lian, why is he a killer now who's joining up with Jason Todd? Because he got his arm cut- um, wait, that didn't happen either... Because he's a heroin add- wait, nope, not that either... um... for fun?
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Apparently he's a damaged superhero. Maybe he is just doing it to get his kicks and score chicks. Really, compared to the Rise of Arsenal, there's nowhere to go but up.
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Fantabulero posted:I'll give you the first one, Morrison on Superman is as close to a guarantee as you're gonna get, but I haven't seen anything to get me remotely excited about JLA or Teen Titans. "Geoff Johns and Jim Lee" isn't enough for me - especially since I feel Johns has been pretty hit-or-miss for a while now.
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Fantabulero posted:Yeah, exactly. The way they're going into this rubs me the wrong way. I'd probably feel better about it if all of the current runs had a chance to wrap things up in a satisfying way and have a decent send-off before they're scrapped and rebooted, but instead it feels like, "Oh, you've been following these stories? Well, we're not really giving them a real ending, it's just stopping, and we're never going back to them again. But hey, try this instead!" And that's not really a message that makes me want to give DC more of my money. Exactly. Think of all the interesting storylines they could have explored knowing that a reboot was coming a year or 2 years down the line. Shake up the status quo, kill off beloved characters, try new team dynamics... basicically another Final Crisis. Make the DCU into a place where a reboot appeals to the hardcore fanboys instead of feeling like salt in the eye.
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Space_Butler posted:I feel the same way about Johns ever since Brightest Day turned out to be a tremendous waste of time outside of the Deadman storyline, but if you've been reading JLA since Robinson took over, you'd see that even Brightest Day Johns would probably give us better stories than we've been getting (even discounting the sub-par B-team that DC swore to us the whole time would be just as great as the big seven we all know). That means nothing to me, since I haven't been reading JLA and I don't care enough about the title that saying "it's not total crap anymore" is enough to get me to read it. I haven't seen anything that makes me care about it at all.
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Fantabulero posted:That means nothing to me, since I haven't been reading JLA and I don't care enough about the title that saying "it's not total crap anymore" is enough to get me to read it. I haven't seen anything that makes me care about it at all.
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Space_Butler posted:I think you're confused as to what I'm saying. You're right that if nothing interests you then there's no reason to spend the money. I'm not arguing that the new book should appeal to you or mean something to you, I'm simply saying that it's guaranteed at this point, for those that DO read the book, to be one of the books that will better than what we currently have. Same with Red Hood and the Outlaws as mentioned before. You may have no interest in the book, but there's almost nothing they can do that's worse than Titans and Cry For Justice. That means those books will be in a better place than they were before. Won't be the case for ALL books, but there are definite upsides to wiping away the past so many years of dreck.
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Fantabulero posted:No, no, I get that. I just don't understand why "it's not total crap anymore" would be enough for anyone, especially when you've already been let down by the same product sold by the same people. I don't know, your mileage may vary, but I can't really get excited about "better than terrible". Prove to me it's good and then we'll talk, but I haven't really seen that yet.
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Flameingblack posted:If anyone's wonder, confirmed "Major events" are: I thought Death of Superman was confirmed, too. I know Dan Didio hated it, but I would hope 52 was still canon. And maybe Crisis on Infinite Earths, as "canon" as it ever was.
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Space_Butler posted:I guess sales wise you're right. I've been buying JLA anyway, and I'm still going to, but now I feel the quality will be going up. From DC's perspective, though, nothing has changed as far as me as a reader giving them money. I dunno, in a market where so many good books are flying under the radar, I just wish more people would stop and ask if the stuff they're reading is really worth their money. If the reboot has got me asking any question, that's the one, and my response is looking further than the Big Two cape books than I used to. (But that's all I'll say about that.)
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