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No the reason to not like it is the rape.
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Plus the biggest reason I enjoy it is that it is one of a few webcomics that actually play with the medium. Whereas 98% of webcomics are the typical 'Saturday Newspaper Cartoon' or 'One page of a comic/manga a week' format, only MSPA (which I loath on a story-telling level) and Prequel actually do interesting things. Like having animated panels, flash cartoons, and interactive games, among other things, to tell the narrative rather than going the conventional sequential art structure. I wish a few more comics with a mediocrium of talent would do more interesting convention bending like Prequel.
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Sep 23, 2014 03:36
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Afraid of Audio posted:No the reason to not like it is the rape. If that troubles you, that's fair. Some people have issues reading stories that include rape scenes. Would a trigger warning have helped? I imagine we could suggest to Kazerad that he add one. For people who haven't read the story, the main character has sex with someone while drunk enough that she actually doesn't remember doing it. (The fact that she doesn't remember it also means we, the audience, do not have to be exposed to the act itself in any way - Prequel is actually pretty much PG-13.) It is not represented positively and that person is later brutally murdered.
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Sep 23, 2014 03:37
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Prequel copies all of that from Homestuck however. Even the way it denotes its animated bits is literally with a [S].
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Sep 23, 2014 03:38
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idonotlikepeas posted:If that troubles you, that's fair. Some people have issues reading stories that include rape scenes. Would a trigger warning have helped? I imagine we could suggest to Kazerad that he add one. Treat it not as a punchline.
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Sep 23, 2014 03:38
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i'm going to regret asking this but what the hell is a ryona
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Sep 23, 2014 03:39
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Tollymain posted:i'm going to regret asking this but what the hell is a ryona It's a Japanese word for torture porn that people who like torture porn use so they don't have to say "torture porn". There are some more specific connotations but honestly I doubt you care.
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Sep 23, 2014 03:42
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oh okay thanks, that's all i need to hear
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Sep 23, 2014 03:43
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I've been putting off the archive binge on Ava's Demon and stopped following Unsounded about the time creepy rapist murder monster was introduced. What wound up happening?
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Sep 23, 2014 03:51
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umalt posted:Plus the biggest reason I enjoy it is that it is one of a few webcomics that actually play with the medium. ... only MSPA (which I loath on a story-telling level) and Prequel actually do interesting things. Like having animated panels, flash cartoons, and interactive games, among other things, to tell the narrative rather than going the conventional sequential art structure. e: Dead Winter also has panels that are animated GIFs Jackard fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Sep 23, 2014 |
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Sep 23, 2014 04:01
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idonotlikepeas posted:People love an underdog, particularly in the sort of generally heroic fantasy fiction that Oblivion is and therefore Prequel is assumed to be. And Katia is deliberately constructed as the ultimate underdog (undercat?). If you read through, you'll see a number of places where the circumstances conspire against her so ridiculously that the readers submitting commands are inspired to unleash a paroxysm of helpful advice, and as it fails to actually positively affect the situation, the firehose just starts flowing faster. The sequence with the King Dream starting on this page is a perfect example of that From what I've read of Prequel, I'll say that I definately enjoy the "underdog success story" aspect the most, but I'm a sucker for that story archetype. My dislike of Prequel is primarily rooted in my enmity toward the hurt/comfort genre and my smoldering contempt for fanfiction in general. The King Dream sequence with the stairs is definitely one of the best integrations of normal reader/user activity into a story I've seen. quote:Is this a cheap trick? Sure. Lots of fiction uses cheap tricks. But in this case, it's something that's leveraging the specific medium Prequel exists in (fan-command-driven comic stories) to produce a powerful emotional response in some readers. The story is then spaced out with jokes (usually fairly good ones, in context) to keep it from being a monotonous grind. That's why people like it, in general; it has a good balance of those moments and never loses a sense of its own ridiculousness. The quality of the humor is debatable, but that's more a matter of personal taste. The pacing of "funny thing happens" seems pretty solid, but I don't think it quite makes up for the hamfisted attempts at emotional manipulation. Again, matter of taste and my dislike of the hurt/comfort genre. quote:Things like Jack or pony fanwank tend to either stuff themselves up their own asses from day one and refuse to acknowledge their own ridiculousness, or take refuge in "wackiness", a word which actually means throwing random comedy poo poo at the wall to see what sticks. Prequel doesn't go to either of those extremes. If you thought my objection to fluffy pony poo poo was because it doesn't own up its own rediculousness or takes refuge in wackyness, I am exceptionally pleased to see that you followed my disclaimer's advice. Please continue to do so. quote:And, really, I'm not going to try to convince people to like it. All that I'm hoping is that people don't dismiss it for trivial and lovely reasons, like "OH NO CATGIRLS". If you look at it and still don't like it, you know, more power to you. We cool, it's good to post and discuss about why you like or dislike a thing. I think we can all agree that nerds are horrible people, and the internet makes you stupid?
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Sep 23, 2014 04:06
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If I had wings like Noah's dove I'd fly the river to the one I love Fare thee well, my honey, fare thee well I had a man who was long and tall Moved his body like a cannon ball Fare thee well, my honey, fare thee well Remember one evening, it was drizzlin' rain And in my heart, I felt an achin' pain Fare thee well, my honey, fare thee well Once I wore my apron low Been a-keep' you away from my door Fare thee well, my honey, fare thee well Now, my apron is up to my chin You pass my door but you never come in Fare thee well, my honey, fare thee well Muddy river runs muddy 'n' wild You can't care the bloody for my unborn child Fare thee well, my honey, fare thee well Number nine train ain' done no harm Number nine train take my poor baby home Fare thee well, my honey, fare thee well Fastest man I ever saw Skid Missouri on the way to Arkansas Fare thee well, my honey, fare thee well
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Wales Grey posted:From what I've read of Prequel, I'll say that I definately enjoy the "underdog success story" aspect the most, but I'm a sucker for that story archetype. My dislike of Prequel is primarily rooted in my enmity toward the hurt/comfort genre and my smoldering contempt for fanfiction in general. The King Dream sequence with the stairs is definitely one of the best integrations of normal reader/user activity into a story I've seen. Sure. Fanfiction is not generally my cup of tea, either, but video games like this seem to be at least partially an exception for me. I also enjoyed Concerned, for instance, which has a similar plot of "story that happens before the real story from the game and partially sets it up". I think in this case my brain is just processing it as a really weird LP; you'll note I even kind of used LP forum conventions in naming this thread. (Unconsciously; I didn't notice until a month later.) Wales Grey posted:If you thought my objection to fluffy pony poo poo was because it doesn't own up its own rediculousness or takes refuge in wackyness, I am exceptionally pleased to see that you followed my disclaimer's advice. Please continue to do so. That may not be your objection to it, but it is mine. The fluffy pony concept is, in itself, wacky, and most of the stories related to it are wacky or at least start out that way. Then you have your spree-killing murder-raping pony stories. I don't think I actually need to do an in-depth analysis of why one might have a problem with those. If I hadn't known what any of those things you mentioned were, I would have googled them immediately. Many years and varied experiences on the Internet have largely inured me to its horribleness. Wales Grey posted:We cool, it's good to post and discuss about why you like or dislike a thing. I think we can all agree that nerds are horrible people, and the internet makes you stupid? Well, I'm a nerd and I'm pretty horrible. So I guess I can agree that all nerds are horrible. To steal a line from Steven Brust: Everyone generalizes from one example. Or, at least, I do.
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Jackard posted:Look, this isn't hard. Those shows don't fetishize their characters, so they are not furry. I don't get where you are getting that definition from. I mean, just look about this random list I googled for of "furry movies" and you'll see The Lion King as the first movie mentioned. If we agree that Lion King doesn't fetishize its characters and that this list wasn't rejected by that particular community, then the definition you're using must be wrong. I think idon'tlikepeas is exactly right here: idonotlikepeas posted:That requirement doesn't really exist, though. Plenty of furries call things furry when they aren't about sex, and I have to assume they know which stuff is furry? I actually agree that Prequel is a furry comic (though for different reasons), and have described it as such when telling others to check it out. It's just a part of the story that's being told, and it sometimes allows the author to do some cute stuff like this frame in the last update  Ultimately though what does it matter? Whether it's a furry comic or not doesn't really have an impact on my opinion. Brackhar fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Sep 23, 2014 |
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Sep 23, 2014 04:25
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Jackard posted:They may not have interactive games, but Ava's Demon and Unsounded are two that immediately come to mind.  , thanks for the suggestion bro.
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Sep 23, 2014 04:44
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idonotlikepeas posted:That may not be your objection to it, but it is mine. The fluffy pony concept is, in itself, wacky, and most of the stories related to it are wacky or at least start out that way. I took umbrage with your description as "wacky". Sure, the concepts are absurd and farcical, but I wouldn't describe them as "wacky"; the word has a gaiety to it that I struggle to apply here. quote:Well, I'm a nerd and I'm pretty horrible. So I guess I can agree that all nerds are horrible. To steal a line from Steven Brust: Everyone generalizes from one example. Or, at least, I do. Same.
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Sep 23, 2014 04:48
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idonotlikepeas posted:I think it's mainly about wanting desperately to not like a "furry" thing, so whatever stuff you think is okay just gets labelled as non-furry. The Nut Job is not okay and is also not furry.
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Sep 23, 2014 07:59
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Afraid of Audio posted:No my main criticism is that it is torture-porn. 
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Sep 23, 2014 09:59
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Doesn't torture porn tend to involve actual torture? This seems more like bumbling sidekick or wacky next door neighbor whose plans always go awry. What I'm saying is Katia is Urkel. And once Oblivion actually starts, turns into Stefan.
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Braking Gnus posted:Doesn't torture porn tend to involve actual torture? This seems more like bumbling sidekick or wacky next door neighbor whose plans always go awry. What I'm saying is Katia is Urkel. And once Oblivion actually starts, turns into Stefan. Seems more like misery porn in which readers are encouraged to write paragraphs of "uplifting" suggestions
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Sep 23, 2014 12:40
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Honestly, I would say that the whole Game of Thrones T.V. series is much, much more torture/misery porn than this.
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Sep 23, 2014 13:19
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If this is "torture porn" then the definition of such is so broad as to be useless. You're basically saying that anything where the protagonist is unhappy or doesn't have things go his or her way is "torture porn" which is you know, like all drama and most comedy. You might as well say King Lear is torture porn. Or The Three Stooges.
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Sep 23, 2014 14:49
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jng2058 posted:Or The Three Stooges. I do declare, I think you gave me the vapors.  Why does every drat movie/show with an anthropomorphic (which if you follow latin means "human form" oddly) character have to have the discussion move toward how we shouldn't like it because some one some where jerks it to a lady covered in hair with a dog head. Seriously, if you don't read or watch things because some one might be masterbating to it or something related to it, you're going to have a short reading list. Disclaimer: I'm not sure if "vapors" is the right term... I am behind on my southern dialect.
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Sep 23, 2014 15:10
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Anora posted:anthropomorphic (which if you follow latin means "human form" oddly) Because the term is 'anthropomorphic animal', i.e. human-formed animal.
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Sep 23, 2014 15:29
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Is there really an honest-to-God conversation happening in here, in 2014, about whether something is furry? I'm not even sure where I stand on that myself. There are definitely sexualized characters, but it's played up to be extremely over-the-top and hammy. I think the whole thing sort of treats sexuality as a joke, for better or for worse. If that makes it furry then that's okay, I guess; I already sort of revel in the title of Homestuck-Inspired Oblivion Fanfiction. I'm going to have a hard time topping that on future projects. jng2058 posted:Or The Three Stooges.
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jng2058 posted:If this is "torture porn" then the definition of such is so broad as to be useless. You're basically saying that anything where the protagonist is unhappy or doesn't have things go his or her way is "torture porn" which is you know, like all drama and most comedy. You might as well say King Lear is torture porn. Or The Three Stooges. It certainly casts Charlie Chaplin's 'Little Tramp' in a whole new light.
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Sep 23, 2014 17:52
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I'd say it's misery porn because the main character repeatedly gets in mishaps that result sometimes in rape, often in nudity, and always with her sad, helpless, and in desperate need for an outpouring of comforting words and heartfelt advice from the audience. That both the author and the thread title refer to it as about 'making a catgirl cry' helps too.
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Sep 23, 2014 18:09
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And the comic's header, to be fair.
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Sep 23, 2014 18:31
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Anora posted:Why does every drat movie/show with an anthropomorphic (which if you follow latin means "human form" oddly) character have to have the discussion move toward how we shouldn't like it because some one some where jerks it to a lady covered in hair with a dog head. Seriously, if you don't read or watch things because some one might be masterbating to it or something related to it, you're going to have a short reading list. Because people think that in order to be a true goon you have to expose something as furry or someshit like that. And the sad thing is that it's toned down a lot now from where it was in the distant past.
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Sep 23, 2014 18:46
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This comic is better when its having fun with the setting instead of making the protagonist cry.
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Sep 23, 2014 19:01
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The Old Man and the Sea is torture porn.
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Sep 23, 2014 21:03
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Jackard posted:This comic is better when its having fun with the setting instead of making the protagonist cry. to be fair without the failure, we wouldn't be as happy with the success.
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Sep 24, 2014 01:20
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Kazerad posted:It's kind of strange looking back and realizing that someone out there gets off to the Three Stooges. I am now very curious about how much fanfiction of this exists. 
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Sep 24, 2014 01:40
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So apparently this comic is capable of updating more than once a month now.
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Sep 29, 2014 19:23
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My memory's a bit fuzzy but I think this is the longest conversation Katia's ever had with another khajiit. I'm curious to see how this will unfold (hopefully it will go well).
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Sep 29, 2014 21:59
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Eggie posted:My memory's a bit fuzzy but I think this is the longest conversation Katia's ever had with another khajiit. I'm curious to see how this will unfold (hopefully it will go well). What has unfolded so far is Katia's awkward internalized racism.
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jng2058 posted:If this is "torture porn" then the definition of such is so broad as to be useless. You're basically saying that anything where the protagonist is unhappy or doesn't have things go his or her way is "torture porn" which is you know, like all drama and most comedy. You might as well say King Lear is torture porn. Or The Three Stooges. Guys did you know Othello was misogynist torture porn? What trash. Less depth in it than Gone Home.
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I've just started reading this and binged a fair way through the archives (just after she burns the chapel in Kvatch). It's a pretty big stretch to describe it as torture porn. It kind of reminds me of Bojack Horseman, in as much as it involves a sympathetically flawed person trying to work their way through a lovely life they just can't seem to work out. I dunno, cartoon animals seem to be a good vessel for that sort of thing and I'm a sucker for it anyway, so while the first 50 pages or so are pretty crushingly depressing in a ha-ha stupid-slut kind of way, I find it a little hard to believe that someone could read much further and still write it off as torture porn that wasn't clearly based in its entirety on helping the protagonist rise up and beyond her old life. EDIT: Okay, all caught up. The flash segment with the peg puzzle is beautiful and awesome. Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Oct 18, 2014 |
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Oct 17, 2014 12:51
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Update in which Katia unleashes more rampant insensitivity!
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Katia's imaginings of what could go wrong against the imps are the best part of this update. 
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