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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:can't she have a untainted win already? No.
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In what world would the shopkeeper take a thieving cat's word that the job was done?
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May 19, 2015 03:11
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I don't really see a problem with the pacing, she's spent exactly one update trying to get out of the attic. (So far...) I'd much rather have shorter updates anyway if that means we get them faster.
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May 19, 2015 04:28
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Reminder that the best possible ending of this comic is Katia landing in Imperial prison. Things... aren't going to go that great for her.
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May 19, 2015 05:03
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I doubt that Rajirra's going to get 100% of the payment unless she stole it from the shopkeeper. The sound of fireballs and breaking furniture and fire runes exploding in the attic would have started fairly quickly after she left the room, so the shopkeeper wouldn't willingly give her the money knowing the job wasn't done.
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May 19, 2015 05:22
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Pakled posted:I doubt that Rajirra's going to get 100% of the payment unless she stole it from the shopkeeper. The sound of fireballs and breaking furniture and fire runes exploding in the attic would have started fairly quickly after she left the room, so the shopkeeper wouldn't willingly give her the money knowing the job wasn't done. It's going to turn out she stole literally everything in that shop including the shopkeeper's pants, what else can you expect from a dirty khajiit stereotype. Kata will find her rolling around on a pile of moon sugar when she finally tracks her down.
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May 19, 2015 07:04
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Where's my pin kaz 
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May 19, 2015 10:25
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Jackard posted:Seriously you don't need multiple updates figuring out how to leave a loving attic Clearly you've never hit a barred door in Oblivion.
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May 19, 2015 10:27
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Grapplejack posted:Where's my pin kaz I don't know where you are, but it's probably in the mail! They just hit Eastern US yesterday. I'm sending them marked as nonmachinable this time and I don't know what effect that will have on the times, especially internationally. I look forward to finding out, though.
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May 19, 2015 11:20
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Mine's heading overseas, so there's probably a bit of a wait on that one.
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May 19, 2015 12:23
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I got mine already, but then again, I live in Maryland so it didn't exactly have far to travel.
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May 19, 2015 20:41
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JT Jag posted:Reminder that the best possible ending of this comic is Katia landing in Imperial prison.
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May 19, 2015 20:54
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CrashCat posted:Is that even really possible? Sigrid seems to have the whole overpowered player character thing locked up tight, the best Katia can hope for is a low tier NPC. Sigrid is an actual NPC in oblivion. She's a random NPC in the Kvatch refugee camp.
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May 19, 2015 20:59
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CrashCat posted:Is that even really possible? Sigrid seems to have the whole overpowered player character thing locked up tight, the best Katia can hope for is a low tier NPC. At some point after being sent to the dungeon in the Imperial City, Katia will achieve CHIM, allowing her to rise above all limitations.
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May 19, 2015 21:23
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cheetah7071 posted:Sigrid is an actual NPC in oblivion. She's a random NPC in the Kvatch refugee camp. Though to be fair looking at her UESP page I'm not surprised I forgot she existed.
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May 19, 2015 21:38
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Pakled posted:I doubt that Rajirra's going to get 100% of the payment unless she stole it from the shopkeeper. The sound of fireballs and breaking furniture and fire runes exploding in the attic would have started fairly quickly after she left the room, so the shopkeeper wouldn't willingly give her the money knowing the job wasn't done. That's exactly why Rajirra would have waited for it to stop before claiming the reward before Katia could get out of the room. If all the fighting stops and the cat comes down unscathed it's not far fetched to assume she won. Like I said she could claim Katia died in the fighting.
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This update was weird to me because I hadn't realized Rajirra had stolen the rope. I assumed Katia gave it to her when Rajirra went to scout and used a rope and using the rope for that was specifically mentioned.
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Absum posted:This update was weird to me because I hadn't realized Rajirra had stolen the rope. I assumed Katia gave it to her when Rajirra went to scout and used a rope and using the rope for that was specifically mentioned.
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May 20, 2015 02:28
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cheetah7071 posted:Sigrid is an actual NPC in oblivion. She's a random NPC in the Kvatch refugee camp. She's also (I think) the only NPC in the game with 100 in Alchemy. Pakled posted:At some point after being sent to the dungeon in the Imperial City, Katia will achieve CHIM, allowing her to rise above all limitations. She already has. That's what her inventory and ability to levitate stuff is. That's CHIM.
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May 20, 2015 04:08
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What? No, Katia has not achieved CHIM. You can't reach that state and not have the profound understanding that defines it.
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May 20, 2015 06:15
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The last two posts made me lose an hour of my life to the Elder Scrolls wiki, initially so I could find out what CHIM was but, you know... wikis. Can't just read one article.
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The deep lore of The Elder Scrolls is a mindsucking vortex that will devour your free time, and it's a loving crime that the games don't properly reflect any of it. Then again, it's probably a bit much to expect of Bethesda. Check our c0da.es if you got a hankering for more TES "flavored" Kirkbride madness.
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May 20, 2015 09:42
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JT Jag posted:The last two posts made me lose an hour of my life to the Elder Scrolls wiki, initially so I could find out what CHIM was but, you know... wikis. Can't just read one article.
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If you ACTUALLY want to know what CHIM is, and not have people spew a bunch of in-universe mystic bullshit at you (like you'll find at UESP), you could read this article. Alternatively, I could just tell you: CHIM is realizing that you are a videogame character, and gaining access to powers beyond the fourth wall-- namely, the UI, the console commands, and most importantly, the TES Construction Kit (and with it, 3rd party mods, and presumably the Nexus). But the cool thing is that the Elder Scrolls takes the concept of breaking the fourth wall, and integrates it into the world; with mystics, scholars, and even NPC gods trying to figure out what the gently caress is going on outside the box when they themselves are inside the box. The result is a bunch of in game books that sound like something out of the Zohar in terms of confusing mysticism, but if you're in on the joke, it's pretty cool/amusing. It's used to explain why player characters are so awesome, but the writers also have allowed a few NPCs to "access CHIM" as well, such as Vivec and Talos, who apparently use the game's modding tools in between games in order to make the changes required for the next "age", aka the next sequel. People are saying that Katia has achieved partial CHIM already because she's making use of the game's UI-- her "Telekinesis" is not actually the telekinesis spell, but rather the in game "pick up" command. Iunnrais fucked around with this message at 12:40 on May 20, 2015 |
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One of the things I like about Elder Scrolls lore is that the details are often vague or incomplete and thus so many things are up for interpretation. It's a bit like real history, you can't just take everything you read in in-game books at face value, you have to consider the limitations and the biases of the author and that in itself helps color the event. I know the real reason the lore is like this is so Bethesda can retcon anything they want at any time, but still.
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Pakled posted:One of the things I like about Elder Scrolls lore is that the details are often vague or incomplete and thus so many things are up for interpretation. I remember reading a while back an interesting discussion about Vivec. He was granted godlike powers by the Heart of Lorkhan, and went on to become a god. Then there's the sermon of vivec books which can be interpreted in two different ways : 1) The books are totally legit and serious, Vivec is simultaneously royalty and peasantry and has achieved CHIM and is all kinds of weird and hermaphroditic batshit insane and whatnot. 2) The books are bogus tripe and just Vivec's way of rewriting his personal history to make his life more important and exciting than just 'A poor boy who had a rich friend who helped him become ultra powerful'. In-game there's nothing which proves or disproves either theory, unless you consider the fact that Vivec CAN be killed to be proof that he hasn't achieved CHIM.
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khy posted:In-game there's nothing which proves or disproves either theory, unless you consider the fact that Vivec CAN be killed to be proof that he hasn't achieved CHIM. Being killed is perfectly compatible with CHIM. After all, players die all the time when they play. Then they reload a save. If you want to look at it that way, the proof that the Vivec you meet in Morrowind doesn't have CHIM is not that you can kill him, it's that if you do that he doesn't respawn. Note that the Sermons explicitly tells that the player has to kill Vivec.
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Cthulhuchan posted:What? No, Katia has not achieved CHIM. You can't reach that state and not have the profound understanding that defines it. You absolutely can. See: every single player who started a game but had absolutely no idea what the hell they were doing. EDIT: Cat Mattress posted:Being killed is perfectly compatible with CHIM. After all, players die all the time when they play. Then they reload a save. If you want to look at it that way, the proof that the Vivec you meet in Morrowind doesn't have CHIM is not that you can kill him, it's that if you do that he doesn't respawn. That's not proof Vivec doesn't have CHIM at all. Players don't respawn, they reload and go back to before the death even happened. Presumably if a player dies and never saved or never reloads then that's it, as far as that game's story can be said the player died then and there. Perhaps Vivec had just gotten bored and decided not to reload a save. That's assuming that reloading doesn't create a parallel timeline identical to the previous one but branching at the moment of saving. Who What Now fucked around with this message at 23:47 on May 20, 2015 |
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May 20, 2015 23:41
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khy posted:In-game there's nothing which proves or disproves either theory, unless you consider the fact that Vivec CAN be killed to be proof that he hasn't achieved CHIM. I don't think death has a lot to do with it. Vivec mentions that he's died plenty of times, it's just not a big deal for him. He describes himself as being simultaneously in the "real world" and the "god place", and when he dies he is only in the god place. He speculates that the older gods might just be dead all the time, but no matter how long he tries to stay dead himself, he always comes back to find no time has passed. It's never outright explained why he doesn't come back when you kill him, but I'd say one possibility is that he finally just decides to stay dead. He makes it clear that he's grown apathetic toward the plight of mortals; he feels no sympathy for them, and only cares about defeating Dagoth Ur because "to lose would be very, very bitter". Even if you kill Vivec, he leaves you Wraithguard and his powerpoint presentation on how to defeat Dagoth Ur - there's no reason left for him to come back. It's as good a time as any to simply bail. If you ascribe to the "CHIM is a metaphor for the editor tools" theory, this is presumably the point where Vivec finally quits Morrowind and dedicates all his time to shitposting on UESP.net.
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Kazerad posted:If you ascribe to the "CHIM is a metaphor for the editor tools" theory, this is presumably the point where Vivec finally quits Morrowind and dedicates all his time to shitposting on UESP.net. Or fixing the genital bumpmapping for his Guar Breeding mod.
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got my pin  Zenzirouj posted:Or fixing the genital bumpmapping for his Guar Breeding mod. if Vivec left for anything, it's this.
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 Really just inviting someone to buy me a red title at this point.* *Waste of your  , I will revert it
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May 22, 2015 07:07
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Got my badge.  American stamps are neat.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Got my badge. Now I have to know: how are they different from whatever you have?
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Kazerad posted:I don't think death has a lot to do with it. Vivec mentions that he's died plenty of times, it's just not a big deal for him. He describes himself as being simultaneously in the "real world" and the "god place", and when he dies he is only in the god place. He speculates that the older gods might just be dead all the time, but no matter how long he tries to stay dead himself, he always comes back to find no time has passed. I can't decide if CHIM became more or less interesting as lore once I realized stuff like this was pretty explicitly talking about reloading saved games and other mechanics.
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A.o.D. posted:Now I have to know: how are they different from whatever you have? They aren't really, they just have different pictures on, but it's nice to see what other nations put on stuff. In the UK it's usually it's just a profile head of the current monarch, but there's always special and commemorative stamps being made, because stamp designers have to do something to fill the day I guess. One was of Lincoln, but one was a large round stamp with a heat map picture of the Earth on; which I've never seen before, so hey, neato.
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You can take parts of CHIM as a clever(ish) reference to being in a video game, but I don't think it's really a 1:1 representation of 'what if Talos could go player.setperklevel 999999999999?'. My favourite part of TES lore is the batshit insane mysticism and I think boiling down transcendental love to har har it's the creation kit kind of ruins it. It's one thing to have the association there with a cheeky wink at the audience, and another to make it the ultimate answer to the whole mythos.
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I like to think of CHIM as the rest of the people in this world trying to understand the power of the player characters and creating this whole mythos around them and what they observe of their powers that's pretty much entirely inaccurate and made up because they can't just leap to 'videogame character'.
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May 26, 2015 01:06
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Yeah but from the view of characters in a video game, the player doesn't repeatedly die and retry things, just everything always goes right for us.
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True, mostly. I do resurrect my dog a lot. And you, Farkas. Stop dying.
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