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jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Catalina posted:

You HAVE to max out his social link. Him surviving only makes sense within the context of the last events of the social link.

From what I've read, you do, but the MAX RANK scene has been toned down in the English version to *specifically* not be sexual. The Japanese version was not. I have no idea about the Christmas event, though.

The Christmas event wasn't particularly any better or worse than the max rank event, if I remember correctly (I went through all of the scenes before grabbing Akihiko's SP recovery item). Just the usual "wait until I grow up!" thing.

The spend time event after you max Ken's rank is pretty funny though.

Ken: Eheh, isn't it a little weird, us being alone like this?
>"No"
Ken: ..........oooookaaaaay :geno:

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jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Strange Matter posted:

I'm in the last month of the game, and there's no way I'm going to be able to max out the following S.Links:

Star
Moon
Temperence
Lovers
Empress

Are there any endgame Personae that I'm going to miss out due to not getting the Max S.Link personae from those links?

Star has Helel, which is a crazy useful high level Persona. The fusion spell with Satan allows you to one-shot anything in the game except for the bonus boss.

If you're not planning on fighting the bonus boss though, you really don't need Helel because if you can fuse him you're already stupidly overleveled for the final fight.

To your earlier post: There's no special fusion for Satan, but Judgement Persona are typically difficult to find a good combination for to begin with.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Strange Matter posted:

Well shoot I actually want Helel so I can beat the Reaper and get to Monad. I think I've got that S.Link up to...5 and I have about 23 days left. Hopefully that's enough!

You can beat the Reaper by stunlocking him with Odin's Thunder Reign skill (it takes some luck though since you can be screwed over by a bad turn order). He's also entirely beatable without Armageddon, and grinding to a high enough level to be able to use it just to get access to Monad so you can grind even harder is kind of insane.

Ibram Gaunt posted:

1. Were you like out for a long time between the conception and the vortex world? everything seems to be already established the second the world ends complete with all the lingering souls knowing whats up which I thought was kind of odd.

2. Who exactly is the woman in black? Her dialogue syncs up to your teacher (both say they will be your strength in this world or something) but I mean you actually find the teacher again so I don't really get it. (I forget if this is explained in the Kalpas or not since it's been so long)

1. The world was established as it was in order to create a board where Creation could occur. Hikawa actually engineered the whole thing in order to give himself a huge advantage at the start. His intention was for himself to be the only human capable of Creation in the Vortex World, and even if others ended up coming too he could still crush everything with the massive amount of resources he had access to.

2. I always assumed it was just some demon that Lucifer had take the form of your teacher in order to make the Demi-Fiend more sympathetic to the plight of the demons.

jonjonaug fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Aug 10, 2011

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Kaboom Dragoon posted:

Absolutely. You'd need to plan your demons and skills carefully and it'd be hard as hell at times, but it's not outwith the realms of possibility.

I'm pretty sure it is impossible because Kagutsuchi has an attack that will do over 1000 damage even to a fully leveled party unless you have some buffs/debuffs going.

Maybe if you do the Demon ending (the one where you don't fight Kagutsuchi and the game ends with it yelling at you) and avoid the four Oni (or come back and fight those guys later at the end of the game) it might be possible.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Ibram Gaunt posted:

Just got my copy of Overclocked, the little Hee-ho! voiceclip when you go to start it up is pretty :3:

First time I started up the game I went back and forth in the 3DS menu about a dozen or so times just to hear that over and over. :3:

So far I'm enjoying it. The voice acting isn't bad, but it certainly isn't Digital Devil Saga or Persona 4 quality.

HarveyVdarski posted:

The battles are too static to feature that. Also, disappointed there is no 3D.

There's 3D in the fusion scene, but I haven't seen it anywhere else yet.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Momomo posted:

Yeah, weren't the first screens revealed on Famitsu's site? I definitely remember there being a Neogaf thread about it.

The biggest thing I want to know about the game is: Is there a Magical Girl path starring Midori? This is very important.

I'm not that far yet, but Midori's voice is the most annoying thing in the game. The rest of the voice acting ranges from "alright" to "actually kinda good", but Midori's VA is terrible.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Baalster posted:

I bet you weren't too big of a fan of 15,000,000 HP secret boss in FFXIII, eh? What a wuss, the true pros can take bullshit trophies like "Do the Land of Carnage without losing any of your units and beating every level 9999 enemy with only a plastic ladel".

But seriously, gently caress JRPG trophies. Trophies work for stuff like adventure, action, fighting games, etc. because they're all set within realistic boundaries that don't make the game a chore, I have not had this experience with any RPG yet.

Looking through the trophy list for Overclocked, the only really bullshit one seems to be "beat the game without doing any Free Battles", which shouldn't be that hard on a New Game+ (although I'm not sure if it'll accept it on a NG+).

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Ibram Gaunt posted:

Well, I'm about to finish the 8th day and I have to say. It's loving awesome. It even seems like theres two different ways it can go, even within the same scenario.



Heres a spoilerific synopsis for those who aren't going to pick it up but are still curiousIn Naoya's path, the angels in a last ditch effort turn all the humans in the lockdown against you promising their freedom. And you have the choice of turning humanity against the angels, or crushing everyone in your path. and based on all the stuff that happened otherwise it seems like if I would have done the "nice guy" route, the whole day would have gone differently. Since this had me just crushing every pocket of resistance, and ended with Yuzu and Midori assaulting the MC and summoning fuckin METATRON to crush me. He even gets his own battle music which is pretty loving good (and I wasn't really a fan of the OST)

TO people on the fence: I'd honestly say it's worth it just based on this alone, but then again I got my copy for free due to a giftcard, so theres no buyers remorse. :v:

I was thinking about putting this down but god drat.

Getting back to playing it right now.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

dorkasaurus_rex posted:

The really non-standard plot that kind of shucks video game tropes. And the demon fusing and capturing.

SMT:Nocturne would be the best for you then.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax
New anime trailer. It looks really nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOhkqf5qulE

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Cake Attack posted:

When it seems like the game is over, go to Junes, even though the game insists there's no reason for you to do so. That's for the true ending. Earlier in the game, there's a decision that will get you either the bad ending, or set you on the path to the normal and true endings. On December 3rd, you'll be asked six questions, all of which you have to choose the right answer for or you'll get the bad ending. Post again when you make it there, because there's no way to tell you the right answers without spoilers. (Well I suppose somebody could tell you which answers to choose numerically, but I can't remember that.)

Or, you know, you could not be an idiot and avoid the bad end simply by thinking things through when you're making choices in heavily charged situations.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Nickoten posted:

You can sacrifice the Pixie, but just remember what you made from it. As long as you never dismiss her or do anything else that would remove her from your party (Not counting fusing of course), you're good.

No, you can fuse the Pixie, but I'm fairly certain using her as the third demon in a sacrificial fusion (the one that gets spiked) will break it.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

MelvinTheJerk posted:

Quick Persona 2 IS question. One of my characters won't talk for pacts. It just says "It is awkward." And when I try to get them to talk it says I don't feel like. What the hell.

Sometimes when a major dramatic event happens to a character, that character won't feel like participating in demon negotiations. Just advance the plot a bit.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Dogbutt posted:

OK so I got to the Second Kalpa, and a light told me to stop. I said no. Did this screw me over for the neutral ending?

If I remember correctly, the only choices that matter for the Neutral ending are the ones when you talk to Yuko in the park.

E: And obviously, you avoid getting any other endings.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Dogbutt posted:

So I finally got to the Highway in Nocturne. And you know who is there. Should I wait till I battle him, or battle him now? I'm Level 32.

That Fiend isn't one of the hard ones, you shouldn't have much trouble fighting him.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax
I finished the 8th day of the Naoya route in Overclocked.

That ending CG. Black Frost is the best.:allears:

I also beat Metatron in a single turn. The guy kept using Mazandyne too, which my MC and both demons in his party were immune to.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Ibram Gaunt posted:

Which ending did you get? Naoya's has two.

The one where you protect humans. I'm going to replay for the other path too.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

9999DMG posted:

Does anyone have advice on how I can get this to work? Is evolving High Pixie and Lilim just an unnecessary hassle?

This is not how evolving works. High Pixie evolves at level 16, or later if the Demi-Fiend isn't a high enough level when this happens.

Evolving happens when a demon learns all of its skills and the Demi-Fiend is at least the level of the evolved demon (or within the level by about two levels, I forget which). If the demon has already learned all of its skills by the time you've reached that level, you only need to level it up once more when the Demi-Fiend has a high enough level.

Here's a handy guide with more info.

jonjonaug fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Feb 6, 2012

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Catalina posted:

I've been really pleasantly surprised by how deep the game is willing to go when it comes to characters and storylines. The anime style and teenage protagonists had me expecting this would be a game that would stop at that level, but I've found that as the game goes on, the deeper the observations and predictions of human behavior go. Some of the events and reveals have had me audibly reacting.

The art style is pretty deceptive, Devil Survivor is SMT to the core. Guys going crazy, Order and Chaos both having their own machinations with humanity caught in the middle, demons killing poo poo and being bonkers, etc.

I went in expecting Persona and ended up with something pretty similar in atmosphere to the core SMT series, it was a nice surprise.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Catalina posted:

On the beginning of day 6 in Devil Survivor now. This is the first game in a long time where I've thought "I want to replay this!" rather than "oh, multiple endings. Maybe I'll get around to it some day." I hope there's a new game + that offers advantages. I'd hate to have to grind all my demons up from scratch again.

If you're playing the DS version, New Game+ offers a slew of perks. Scaled down XP is removed (basically means you can play through the game without ever doing a free battle, or grind to ridiculous levels) and you keep all of your demons and cracked skills.

If you're playing the 3DS version, then you earn points to unlock New Game+ features by clearing paths or beating the game in certain ways (no free battles, never having anyone downed in battles, clearing 8th day paths, beating bonus bosses, etc). The most important ones are cheap, but some cost a lot. You will probably only be able to carry over a couple of demons on your first playthrough. These points carry over to each playthrough, so by your third playthrough you should be able to grab everything you might want.

Len posted:

I'm finally going to start Devil Survivor Overclocked to finish it before the sequel comes out. Is there a way to skip all the dialogue? I played up to the Bel fight once already on the DS version before my fucktard friend lost my copy.

Hold L and R.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Dehry posted:

Well, I finally got through the first 7 days on DS:OC After I got a couple of Phantasma/Flight demons it was super easy to defeat Belberith and Babel. I didn't realize I had to use the power Babel was weak against. I got the overlord ending. I'm now moving on to the 8TH day and am now stuck where Amane fights against the Anti-Overlords god drat are the AI stupid. Twice now I've had a character that is not supposed to get killed die on their first encounter. I'm determined to get a final ending before DS2 comes out. I'll definately be replaying for another ending afterwards.

That level is a lot more fun on a kill everyone that gets in your way run because you can just kill the annoying escort NPCs.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Ryoshi posted:

Does P3P have a NG+? If so, can you swap protagonists for the second play through?

Yes and yes.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Douche Bag posted:

That's a little disappointing. What other SMT games have good stories? Is P4 considered to have the best?

Digital Devil Saga has a really great story. Nocturne's story certainly isn't bad by any means, but it is very minimalist in comparison to Persona 3/4 which are basically dating sims with a dungeon crawler mixed in.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Len posted:

I still don't get the region locking hate. Is it because I've been playing consoles most of my life so region locking is just something I learned to accept?

It let people import the Ouendan games. You don't really need much more of a reason than that.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Meiteron posted:

-Demons are agitated and can't be recruited normally if you try talking to them at full phase. However, some races like fouls and wilders can actually be recruited randomly talking to them at full phase. Chances are still low, however.

I'm pretty sure ALL demons can be recruited randomly like that at FULL phase. There's also a higher chance of demons outright approaching you and asking a question which will cause them to join up. Demons are easier to negotiate with normally the lower the phase is though.

Enemies will also be slightly stronger as you get closer to FULL phase. This is very slight, but can be quite noticeable during some boss fights.

Enemy behavior in combat is also tied to the phase.

There are also various puzzles in the game that depend on the phase in some manner (ones in the Obelisk involve manipulating it, what parts of the Fourth Kapla you can access change depending on the phase, etc).

jonjonaug fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Apr 22, 2012

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax
There's no real difference between the FATE system and Social Links other than that in DS2 you can only level up with party members. They both work well but neither game should really adapt the other because Social Links wouldn't work in the setting of Devil Survivor and the FATE system wouldn't work in a dating sim where you frequently interact with people who aren't in your party.

Also, the whole "won't mention life changing events" thing was an issue in Persona 3. This was fixed in Persona 4 by not letting you start party member social links until they had joined your party, and some events are different after Nanako is kidnapped.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Captain Corduroy posted:

There better not be a weird "romance" option with Ken but after Saori telling me she had a crush on her uncle all bets are off

There is and it's hilariously awful.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Brother Entropy posted:

Speaking of Fiends/Amala is there anything non-intuitive there? I just fought the first of the riders and it seems like the general pattern is 'kill fiends, do Amala until you can't anymore, repeat'.

There's a guy in the First Kalpa (I think, anyway, might be the second) that you can talk to who will tell you about Fiend locations as they spawn in the game world. A couple of them (some of the Riders and Mother Harlot) are in places you've been to before and would have no reason to go back to, so check back with him if you're wondering about that.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Nate RFB posted:

-I hear you can choose whether to get romantically involved in your S. Links this time around or not. If you only choose one girl (or none?), does this mean there is absolutely no way to reverse a Link in the P3 manner (where every visit to a female S. Link would shave off time on every non-Maxed female link until they ultimately reversed).

You can't reverse a link like that in Persona 4 at all (although there are some leftover lines you can find in a script dump).

The only reversible links are Moon and Fortune, and the only Breakable link is Moon. These all come from possible reactions to certain choices in their links.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Holy poo poo yes.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Technique posted:

Okay, Belberith is just a silly fight. I'll deal with this dude tomorrow, ugh. Although i just gotta fuse a decent demon with Flight, i guess...

Also, i'm getting tempted to get a Naoyatar. Although i really like my Jungotar too. Choices are hard. :sigh:

Chaos Wave + Force Dance makes that fight laughably easy.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Policenaut posted:

What in the hell is that?

It's the Naoto light novel.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax
It looks like Adachi gets a social link in P4G.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

redreader posted:

p3p questions:

1: The social link menu option with the 'they meet wed, tues, thurs' or whatever, seems to be wrong in at least two cases. One of them is the devil, the mall meeting on Friday is not happening (he was not there last friday too, then he was there as normal on the other days). It happened on Friday with the student council too, they didn't meet then but did on the other days. Their social link info says 'm, w, and f'.

2: How boned am I if I have not been following a guide? I have academics maxed, charm and courage almost maxed but not yet... and most social links are at 6-9. Thing is I haven't started the yukari, mitsuo (it's the start of november) links and I only just found Sun, and I haven't started the Aegis one (if there is one).

3: what is the end date? Just give me a broad answer.

4: Can I do new game plus using a different MC? And will the stats carry over?

1. Dunno what to tell you, I never really looked at that.

2. You might have time to finish Sun, that one is available every Sunday and always ranks up. The last two months or so have a lot of days you can spend time on social links.

3. End of January

4. Yes and yes.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Katsudon posted:

Where have they said this, though? I mean, I don't care if it is canon or not, so far for me it's an enjoyable game and really well done but people keep saying this and I've never seen an official source saying so. Likewise, I've seen the opposite claimed. It'd be nice if someone could actually find where canon/not canon was confirmed and then it'd clear the mystery up for all.

From what I remember, the new epilogue to Golden sort of references its existence by saying that something troublesome happened between when the protagonist first left Inaba and the epilogue.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Momomo posted:

So about Elizabeth and P4A, she's trying to get the P3 protagonist freed, right? But the entire point of the Answer was that he needs to stay there, wasn't it? It seems pretty insulting to try and force someone back to life after something like that, especially when it means the end of the world.

She's looking for a way to free him while still maintaining the whole seal on Nyx or whatever.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Chickenfrogman posted:

This idea is both hilarious and awesome. They should also get the exp from battle, which helps even out team across your party members.

I really just want my party to level up along with the main character even if they're not in my active group. Having to cycle them out and grind if I want to use everyone whenever I want is really annoying.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

DeathBySpoon posted:

So in that case, is it better to just ignore it on my first run and try on my second run? Also, what about the fights for Margaret? I remember seeing those sometime when I first played this on the PSP but I don't remember what I did to unlock them.

You can fight both of the extra bosses on your first run in P3P. Fighting Margaret requires you to finish all of her bonus challenges first.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

CloseFriend posted:

I didn't know until now that the PSP didn't have regional lockout for its games. I have the localized Devil Summoner games in my backlog. Do you consider it worthwhile for me to import the Japanese versions of the first two before I play the Raidou games? I could probably use the Japanese practice, but honestly, P2IS (EDIT: Fixed.) is the oldest Megami Tensei game that doesn't drive me up the loving wall.

The first two Devil Summoner games and the Raidou games have almost nothing to do with each other, it doesn't matter.

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jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

El Belmondo posted:

Oh man! Extended Trailer! :siren:

Hell yes that looks awesome.

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