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Honey Badger
Jan 5, 2012

^^^ Like this, but its your mouth, and shit comes out of it.

"edit: Oh neat, babby's first avatar. Kind of a convoluted metaphor but eh..."

No, shit is actually extruding out of your mouth, and your'e a pathetic dick, shut the fuck up.

Man I can not overstate enough how loving much I hated the ending to this movie. Really, we get a "Let's go find these Engineers that want to wipe us off the face of the earth and see if maybe Jesus made them!" ending. Sure, it's not like the last Engineer you found wasn't 100% hostile, I'm sure you can just mosey onto their world and ask them what's up.

The ending also sucks because it completely undercuts one of the few really good scenes in the film: When they are escorting Weyland into the chamber and Shaw tells him not to take off his helmet in case that is what caused the infection in Charlie. David says "It's not" and you see Shaw's face as the true implications of that statement are realized. It's a great scene that doesn't bury the moment in needless exposition like so much of the film does. But then Shaw, who knows David murdered her love interest, decides to take him with her on her journey. Why the gently caress would you trust him to take you anywhere, even if you did get over the fact that he loving murdered your husband and tried to make you give birth to an alien baby.

Finally, Fassbender's performance was incredible, but I really do not understand his character's motivations at all. I thought they were going with the Alien-style "in the name of science" stuff, but the closest we get to a motivation ends up being "so I can be free" after Weyland dies. So presumably he wants to lead Weyland into the chamber, knowing he won't find what he's looking for and will eventually die. So why the gently caress did he poison Charlie if he didn't really care about the Engineers / xenomorphs from a scientific perspective? Why not drop the goo in Weyland's medicine or something, cut out the middle man. He dies and you see what happens. As a decapitated head he also has no motivation to keep searching for the Engineers, so why is he so eager to help Shaw at the end? Unless she is a master mechanic or something he isn't going to be walking around in freedom any time soon, if ever. And if they do find the Engineers they will probably just tear him apart again. He plays the part very well but there is no rationale behind any of his actions.


edit: Also, seconding the "what the gently caress is wrong with the composers" sentiment. The score sounds like it came straight out of the Star Trek series, not tense or foreboding at all.

Honey Badger fucked around with this message at Jun 8, 2012 around 23:33

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shizen
Dec 29, 2006



Well visually the movie was great but overall I expected a lot more so I can understand the hate people are feeling after they watch it. I don't feel it was a waste of money to watch it but also left disappointed.

cthulusnewzulubbq
Jan 26, 2009

I saw something
NASTY
in the woodshed.


Honey Badger posted:

Finally, Fassbender's performance was incredible, but I really do not understand his character's motivations at all. I thought they were going with the Alien-style "in the name of science" stuff, but the closest we get to a motivation ends up being "so I can be free" after Weyland dies. So presumably he wants to lead Weyland into the chamber, knowing he won't find what he's looking for and will eventually die. So why the gently caress did he poison Charlie if he didn't really care about the Engineers / xenomorphs from a scientific perspective? Why not drop the goo in Weyland's medicine or something, cut out the middle man. He dies and you see what happens. As a decapitated head he also has no motivation to keep searching for the Engineers, so why is he so eager to help Shaw at the end? Unless she is a master mechanic or something he isn't going to be walking around in freedom any time soon, if ever. And if they do find the Engineers they will probably just tear him apart again. He plays the part very well but there is no rationale behind any of his actions.

I think the best answer for this is the same answer he is given when he asks why he was created.

Crackerman
Jun 23, 2005



I feel like I need to see this film again to properly join the discussion, but from what I remember from last week I have two points:

First - Is it really not made clear that the ship isn't the derelict from Alien? I got it right away from the fact the the names of the moons are different, along with the fact that Scott has said multiple times that this isn't a direct prequel. I don't mean to sound patronising but it's utterly bizarre to me that people are having such a hard time with this particular plot point.

Related to this is:

haakman posted:

I can't see that anyone has commented on how utterly poo poo the proto-xenomorph looks. gently caress that noise. It looks so silly, gangly and frankly early 2000 CGI shiny. It gives me the impression someone wanted to design like Giger but didn't quite have the chops.

Someone brought it up earlier in this thread (I think) but how do we know the xeno we see in Prometheus is a precursor to the one we see in Alien and the subsequent films? Could it not be that the derelict ship found in Alien had been there thousands/millions of years before anything that happened in Prometheus? The Engineer ship and black-slime pods in Prometheus looked a lot more refined than what the Nostromo crew find in Alien. Maybe what we see in Alien is a much earlier, more raw version of a bio-weapon and that what we see in Prometheus is a streamlined, augmented version of that biological...I don't know what the right word is, 'entity', maybe? It would explain why the black goo is so adaptable and serves different functions. It's been taken from it's initial form (the xenomorph) and meddled with until it's a malleable, multi-functioning bio-weapon. Maybe the xeno in Alien is a much earlier, basic version.

I feel like I might be giving the writer more credit than he deserves with this theory.

shizen
Dec 29, 2006



cthulusnewzulubbq posted:

I think the best answer for this is the same answer he is given when he asks why he was created.

That kind of feels like the answer to a lot of the crap that happens in the movie. Is there any word on if they are considering making a sequel to this movie?

Honey Badger
Jan 5, 2012

^^^ Like this, but its your mouth, and shit comes out of it.

"edit: Oh neat, babby's first avatar. Kind of a convoluted metaphor but eh..."

No, shit is actually extruding out of your mouth, and your'e a pathetic dick, shut the fuck up.

cthulusnewzulubbq posted:

I think the best answer for this is the same answer he is given when he asks why he was created.

The ultimate hand-waving answer. Makes sense I guess, it lets you bypass all of that boring stuff like "convincing motivations" or "rational thought processes". It's actually genius, that one answer is a perfect response for every question anyone could possibly have about this film without actually bothering to write a competent script.

cthulusnewzulubbq
Jan 26, 2009

I saw something
NASTY
in the woodshed.


Honey Badger posted:

The ultimate hand-waving answer. Makes sense I guess, it lets you bypass all of that boring stuff like "convincing motivations" or "rational thought processes". It's actually genius, that one answer is a perfect response for every question anyone could possibly have about this film without actually bothering to write a competent script.

In a movie that attempts to address or make sense of the "big questions" about the meaning of life, maybe that is the only appropriate answer. It may strike some as incredibly bleak and hollow, but it fits within the film.

MentholsNBeer
Feb 27, 2012


When they get to the planet and fly into the atmosphere on a whim, and just suddenly see the Alien Bioterrorism Dome right where they happened to be seemed like some lazy writing.

I'm surprised nobody has said David put the thing in that guy's drink because gently caress THAT GUY he is a total dick and David is getting revenge. Also, what did Weiland order David to do?

I agree with everyone that there should have been some scenes after some of the crazy stuff that happened to deal with that stuff one way or another.

Space Jockey's looked cool though!

Honey Badger
Jan 5, 2012

^^^ Like this, but its your mouth, and shit comes out of it.

"edit: Oh neat, babby's first avatar. Kind of a convoluted metaphor but eh..."

No, shit is actually extruding out of your mouth, and your'e a pathetic dick, shut the fuck up.

cthulusnewzulubbq posted:

In a movie that attempts to address or make sense of the "big questions" about the meaning of life, maybe that is the only appropriate answer. It may strike some as incredibly bleak and hollow, but it fits within the film.

I don't think it's very bleak and hollow at all if you consider it just an act of petty revenge / jealousy, but they didn't really do enough to establish that as believable. I think it was a very poorly written plot element that they forgot to actually think through and people are just grasping for ways to justify it at this point.

I mean We don't even find out for sure if David is even capable of feeling emotion, but considering his actions let's assume he is. I guess Charlie was kind of a dick to him a little bit, but so was pretty much everybody else. He actively wanted Weyland to die and doesn't kill him, so why kill Charlie over a couple of crappy drunken insults? It seems like either he should have just killed Weyland with the goo, which lets him die and David becomes "free" (and the audience still gets to see someone get infected), or he should have hated humanity for just being human and actively tried to wipe them all out instead of poisoning just one dude.


Also, how the hell is the dude in the very beginning seeding the Earth with engineer DNA when it specifically shows the black liquid dissolving his goddamn DNA? Why go to all that trouble / pain even? Just jump off the drat cliff or shoot yourself in the head and fall in or something, it's not like you have to dissolve to a molecular level to get your DNA into the water table.

Jewmanji
Dec 28, 2003


I liked parts of this movie, the abortion was absolutely the high point of the film, but I think one of the things that pissed me off the most about this movie, is that in every instance where one of the characters encountered something alien, their astonishment never lasted more than 3 seconds (if that). The douche bag boyfriend of Noomi Rapace was so despondent over the fact that the aliens weren't alive (oh boo hoo) that he couldn't even care about paying attention to the first ever alien autopsy. Also, for christ's sake, when Shaw finds out that it is an exact DNA match (uh), wouldn't that seem like something worth telling absolutely everyone on the crew about, with the utmost immediacy? Never mind the fact that some amount of time elapsed between her finding out and telling her longtime BF/co-worker. Finding out the most significant fact in human history seems like something worth mentioning before anything else is spoken.

I also think it's strange how Rapace, and the rest of the crew for that matter, can bounce from tragedy to tragedy and pretty much carry-on without mentioning it for the rest of the film. Oh jeez my boyfriend just got turned half-way into a zombie before burning to death, oh jeez I just had a 10 minute live-alien abortion, oh jeez I just crashed this enormous ship and fed one Alien to another. Whatev.

This movie should have had less than 50% of the stuff that they actually tried to pack into it.

Jewmanji fucked around with this message at Jun 9, 2012 around 00:00

Crackerman
Jun 23, 2005



MentholsNBeer posted:

Space Jockey's looked cool though!

That was the other thing which quite a few people have mentioned: although I quite like the design of the Engineers I was really, really disappointed that they were humanoid and not the bizarre elephant-and-ribs creatures that Alien leads us to believe they are.

Mouser..
Apr 1, 2010



A younger co-worker that wasn't really familiar with the Alien franchise stared at me in disbelief as I related to him the amount of sexual imagery/psychology that is being used in all of the films. I didn't realize that I would be so easily vindicated with this movie. It's like Ridley didn't want anyone watching to even think that there was a chance that this wasn't just all about the evil sexual organ.

Ridley Scott presents his next film "Urotsukidōji in Space"

EDIT: Bonus points for making sure the alien shaped like a penis would split open to be a vagina with teeth. Freud would be proud.

Mouser.. fucked around with this message at Jun 9, 2012 around 00:03

Xenixx
Nov 30, 2007

by T. Mascis


AlternateAccount posted:

It's just sickening that Lindlehof's writing is so readily apparent, it's all always terrible in the same ways. Incomprehensible plot, characters without motivation or gravity, devices that work in plot-convenient nonsensical ways and that fake, shallow sheen that tries so hard to give the illusion of depth.

Just LOOK at this guy:


I didn't do too much research into this film before it hit the theatres, but if I saw this guy who has only done one other motion picture film, and it's god awful horrible stuff, I would've wrote this one off. Arguably he cannot write TV series, and there's no doubt he cannot write screenplays. Just too drat bad I didn't see his name before now.

perianwyr
Sep 20, 2004

space moo

Honey Badger posted:

Why the gently caress would you trust him to take you anywhere, even if you did get over the fact that he loving murdered your husband and tried to make you give birth to an alien baby. [/spoiler]

dunno man. if someone told you that you could go on a fascinating adventure to find Space Jesus with Michael Fassbender's disembodied head, wouldn't you?

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002


IF ONLY MY $2300 MONITOR COULD DISPLAY THE REASON THAT I AM LITERALLY UNABLE TO STOP GODDAMN POSTING

perianwyr posted:

dunno man. if someone told you that you could go on a fascinating adventure to find Space Jesus with Michael Fassbender's disembodied head, wouldn't you?

Shes got the body too. Good thing they wrote that in so as to avoid a back to the future scenario for the sequels.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Ben, buddy, it's a wonderful day to go web slinging!


I loved the movie.

Noomi Rapace's "Why did they change their minds? I have to know." might be useless because she's thinking like a human thinking the aliens all have common goals. The alien at the beginning was left behind. Perhaps of his own choice. His choice was to create mankind. "Sometimes to create life you must destroy it." Another thing was stated "You could create life, anyone can create life." and "I choose to believe it." So the aliens are like any evolved race with differing motivations and whatever that one that was still alive was, was not one of the more enlightened of their kind. That one specific being at the start of the movie chose to create life by sacrificing himself. That one quote from Lawrence of Arabia springs to mind that I can't remember "Because I know it will hurt." So the alien knew exactly what it was doing and that it would require his sacrifice. Interestingly the Xenomorphs from Alien and Aliens are birthed through the sacrifice of their hosts and take their liking into themselves. Makind took from the alien at the beginning.

EDIT: Ha, okay maybe reading the rest of the thread it's true it doesn't live up to the potential hoped for but in of itself I thought it was pretty good.

EDIT 2: I hope there's a director's cut.

Gatts fucked around with this message at Jun 9, 2012 around 00:26

rawillkill
Aug 15, 2009


Levito posted:

Has anyone been able to rationlize why Weyland pretends he's dead? What exactly did that accomplish?

ITT: More things that people didn't pay attention to.

He only had a few days of life left as he said, so he pretended to be dead and let everyone think he died so that the rest of the crew would not have any added pressure or afterthoughts on the fact that Peter Weyland himself was on Prometheus.

edit: Also highly suggest people read this.

rawillkill fucked around with this message at Jun 9, 2012 around 00:29

The Beast
Jul 6, 2004

l33t sauce on your mom's face

NECA - Prometheus Action Figures Series 1
**SPOILERS** http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1764

Honey Badger
Jan 5, 2012

^^^ Like this, but its your mouth, and shit comes out of it.

"edit: Oh neat, babby's first avatar. Kind of a convoluted metaphor but eh..."

No, shit is actually extruding out of your mouth, and your'e a pathetic dick, shut the fuck up.

quote:

He only had a few days of life left as he said, so he pretended to be dead and let everyone think he died so that the rest of the crew would not have any added pressure or afterthoughts on the fact that Peter Weyland himself was on Prometheus.

Considering nobody on the ship even knew where they were going or what they were looking for until the presentation, and none of them knew poo poo about Weyland except that he hired them, I don't see how they could possibly care or have "added pressure" if someone just said "Oh hey this old dude that hired you is in cyrostasis on-board, he just wanted to be here in case these scientists' crazy theory was true". I'm pretty sure the guy paying a trillion dollars to find the Engineers actually wanting to be present to see them isn't that weird and I really don't think any of the crew would have cared whatsoever.



On an unrelated note, is there a transcript of the interview people are talking about where Ridley Scott says Jesus was an Engineer and they got pissed about the crucifixion? I mean I guess it would sort of jive with the timeline (them being friendly for 28,000 years and then getting angry roughly 2000 years ago) but it's just dumb as hell. Really, nobody hanging out with Jesus wondered why he was a 10-foot tall, roided-out, lily-white ubermensch? You'd think that would make it into the literature somewhere. Not to mention that he probably could have gotten angry and beaten every Roman rear end in attendance. Did Ridley Scott become a born-again Christian or something recently? I don't get where all these overt religious overtones are coming from, considering they weren't present in the earlier films. There has always been that existential question of "Are we alone out there" (swiftly answered by "Nope") but none of the other films delved into "Let's go look for Space Jesus!". What changed?

Honey Badger fucked around with this message at Jun 9, 2012 around 00:35

superh
Oct 10, 2007

Touching every treasure

I'm firmly in the "good but not great" category too. I started writing this thinking that, but some things crystallized for me a bit as I wrote so I'm going to change my appraisal to "good but maybe great." Some weird characterization that could have been done away with in writing that wouldn't have impacted the tension or the movie as a whole at all, but really I thought that was almost a non-issue.

What I really, sincerely, loved was the total lack of explanation for anything. So many questions were raised, and so much was left to the viewer to guess. I have a very strong feeling that a lot of the answers are only available as hints in the movie or not at all. David put that drop in the drink so deliberately that I couldn't help but feel like he knew more about the whole trip than we were ever told.

In the end I feel like Scott might not have been lying about this not being a prequel - I feel like it's a total remake of Alien. Some similar themes, but it goes back so much further to early Alien scripts with the pyramid, the Jockey head, that I feel like it's directly referencing some version of Alien he wishes he could have done in the first place. Not to mention the re-imagining of the facehugger into a bodyhugger, (or is it just a different phase in the incredibly convoluted Alien death trap lifecycle?), the redesign of the alien, and the broader differences between what's in Alien and what's in Prometheus.

I really did enjoy the implications of the "wmd" lifecycle - it is not a carpet bomb, it will kill DNA based life in about 50 different ways. If you get the goop in you, you turn into a zombie. But the goop itself can apparently spawn worms that will straight up jump down your throat and kill you. But negligible amounts will make you walking std-vector, which will create a whole different face/body-hugger lifecycle, which in turn creates the "classic" Alien. If this really is a re-imagining and it's closer to the old Alien scripts than Aliens and everything that came after, we can presume that possibly that "classic" part of the lifecycle will go around cocooning people into new eggs, too. The totally multifaceted approach leads me to believe that the Engineers are really, really serious about ending worlds with their payloads, and seems particularly well thought out.

It definitely seems to me that the movie is quite intelligent, but only under the surface. We've got a lot of interesting things going on, but they all go unsaid. Most of the characterization feels like a veneer covering the truly awesome concepts that Prometheus is really about.

This is after a single viewing... I'm going to stew on it and probably see it again soon.


edit: Oh and Vickers was definitely a robot. Prometheus 2 spoiler ITT

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Ben, buddy, it's a wonderful day to go web slinging!


rawillkill posted:

edit: Also highly suggest people read this.

Aaaaaahhhhhh....hence the Space Jesus.

Thief
Jan 28, 2011


Honey Badger posted:

Did Ridley Scott become a born-again Christian or something recently? I don't get where all these overt religious overtones are coming from, considering they weren't present in the earlier films.
Just because a theme is present in a story doesn't mean the teller necessarily believes in them.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003
Belgium!

Thief posted:

Just because a theme is present in a story doesn't mean the teller necessarily believes in them.

Ridley describes himself as agnostic, if anyone really cares.

Honey Badger
Jan 5, 2012

^^^ Like this, but its your mouth, and shit comes out of it.

"edit: Oh neat, babby's first avatar. Kind of a convoluted metaphor but eh..."

No, shit is actually extruding out of your mouth, and your'e a pathetic dick, shut the fuck up.

Thief posted:

Just because a theme is present in a story doesn't mean the teller necessarily believes in them.

Oh I agree, but it becomes the central theme, the driving force, the entire impetus for this film, which is ostensibly part of a franchise which has never dealt with that theme before, and it does it in such a heavy-handed way with such an absurd denouement that it isn't really just "present"; the theme has overtaken the film. I just don't understand why Scott would move to such overt Christian iconography and mythology, to the point of modifying the franchise's established existential musings. Just wondering if Scott became very religious or something, because that is what it feels like. The crazy Space Jesus interview doesn't help.

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003



rawillkill posted:

ITT: More things that people didn't pay attention to.

He only had a few days of life left as he said, so he pretended to be dead and let everyone think he died so that the rest of the crew would not have any added pressure or afterthoughts on the fact that Peter Weyland himself was on Prometheus.

edit: Also highly suggest people read this.

Thanks for the link. The apparent inconsistencies in how the plot device slime functions were bothering me but I hadn't really considered anything like the theory of the writer of that blog post.

therealjon_
Oct 19, 2004

...


That crazy Jesus space interview is the best thing ever.

This movie rules.

ApexAftermath
May 24, 2006

reaching
present participle of reach
To draw a conclusion based on more than a moment's thought.


Iseeyouseemeseeyou posted:

I believe I have just realized the most important question about Prometheus. Who won the bet?

This part drove me up the loving wall. I hated the banter between those guys and found it really trite and insincere the whole movie and then comes the scene where the captain says "we're going down" with the ship. They instantly seem to fill with a sense of great pride like they are loving Worf from TNG and "today is a good day to die". They were just way too happy and excited for people about to kill themselves. They didn't show us anything in the movie to explain why they would be so excited to do this.

Also the guys getting lost and stuck for the night really stuck in my craw. The loving geologist guy who releases the mapping probes AND HAS THE loving PDA MAP THING ON HIS WRIST gets lost trying to leave. What? Did you forget that loving computer you have right on you that will lead you out? He made such a big deal of how cool his probe devices are it seems totally retarded he would forget how it works.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Ben, buddy, it's a wonderful day to go web slinging!


Is it wrong that I wish James Cameron would do a sequel to Prometheus? HA!

Honey Badger
Jan 5, 2012

^^^ Like this, but its your mouth, and shit comes out of it.

"edit: Oh neat, babby's first avatar. Kind of a convoluted metaphor but eh..."

No, shit is actually extruding out of your mouth, and your'e a pathetic dick, shut the fuck up.

I'm also still a bit curious of the Engineer's relationship to the Xenos. The mural shows an Engineer with a Xeno kneeling beside him, almost like a pet. There is a Xeno sculpted onto one of the doors in the vase chamber as well. So obviously the "proto-xeno" at the end isn't the first of it's kind, and presumably the Engineers had been creating them as a weapon of some sort (or they were just raising them as bitchin' pets). But if that is the case then they must have had encounters with those giant facehuggers before, and it seems kind of dumb to raise something that dangerous, especially when it needs to plant an egg in something's stomach to create said bio-weapon. Which raises a few questions: What the hell were the Engineers using to birth them? Themselves? They have all these images of grown Xenos so they had obviously seen them born and mature already.

But:


Why was the giant facehugger hostile to the Engineer, but the xenos themselves are presumably not?

What is the plan for even using them as a bio-weapon? The lifecycle of the xeno is a goddamn mess but from what the movie gives us it seems like you have to infect a humanoid with the goop, have that humanoid mate with another uninfected humanoid to birth a facehugger, which must then jam an egg in someone, which then hatches and makes a xeno (bypassing the chestburster phase for some reason?). That seems pretty goddamn inefficient, especially if the bio-weapon might also turn on you in the process.

That also raises the question of how the same thing happened to the ship in Alien. I mean I guess it's plausible that another Engineer got infected, had sex, and started the whole process on some other planet, but the fact that humans have found two crashed vessels 30 years apart in the vastness of space means they were either absurdly, against-all-odds lucky, or these Engineers were crashing all over the drat place, in which case why the gently caress are they still playing around with that goop?


Maybe it's all some big allegory for humans creating things they can't control that will eventually annihilate us all, but in the context of the film it just makes the Engineers look like morons.

Honey Badger fucked around with this message at Jun 9, 2012 around 01:15

G-III
Mar 4, 2001


therealjon_ posted:

That crazy Jesus space interview is the best thing ever.

This movie rules.
I keep skimming past spoilers and I keep reading things about Space Jockey Jesus, Squid babies, tentacle surprise sex, and weapons grade worcestershire sauce and it just makes me want to watch this movie even more. This poo poo sounds crazy.

What I didn't want to have happen with Prometheus is that it would be turned into a milk-toast pg-13 rehash of Alien and it thankfully seems to have missed that mark.

G-III fucked around with this message at Jun 9, 2012 around 01:17

ApexAftermath
May 24, 2006

reaching
present participle of reach
To draw a conclusion based on more than a moment's thought.


G-III posted:

I keep skimming past spoilers and I keep reading things about Space Jockey Jesus, Squid babies, tentacle surprise sex, and weapons grade worcestershire sauce and it just makes me want to watch this movie even more. This poo poo sounds crazy.

Whatever you are cooking up in your head right now is probably more interesting than what the movie presents.

superh
Oct 10, 2007

Touching every treasure

Honey Badger posted:

Maybe it's all some big allegory for humans creating things they can't control that will eventually annihilate us all, but in the context of the film it just makes the Engineers look like morons.

I think they made this whole loving crazy life-cycle goop to drop on a planet and wipe out all life. I don't think they would be somehow "safe" from it any more than we'd be safe detonating a bomb we'd created right on top of ourselves.

After all, we *are* them, if we're not safe from it there's no reason that they would be either.

Mouser..
Apr 1, 2010



ApexAftermath posted:

This part drove me up the loving wall. I hated the banter between those guys and found it really trite and insincere the whole movie and then comes the scene where the captain says "we're going down" with the ship. They instantly seem to fill with a sense of great pride like they are loving Worf from TNG and "today is a good day to die". They were just way too happy and excited for people about to kill themselves. They didn't show us anything in the movie to explain why they would be so excited to do this.

Also the guys getting lost and stuck for the night really stuck in my craw. The loving geologist guy who releases the mapping probes AND HAS THE loving PDA MAP THING ON HIS WRIST gets lost trying to leave. What? Did you forget that loving computer you have right on you that will lead you out? He made such a big deal of how cool his probe devices are it seems totally retarded he would forget how it works.


Insult to injury The ship had a map too and could specifically see their location the whole time before the silica storm even came along.

Iseeyouseemeseeyou
Jan 3, 2011



So if we are a 100% DNA Match: Why did the white thing (Hammerpede?)form a xenomorph from the Engineer, but not from the Human engineer (Biologist or Geologist guy)?

Instead he took over the human or some weird loving poo poo and inverted all his limbs to give him superhuman attributes.

therealjon_
Oct 19, 2004

...


Honey Badger posted:

I'm also still a bit curious of the Engineer's relationship to the Xenos. The mural shows an Engineer with a Xeno kneeling beside him, almost like a pet. There is a Xeno sculpted onto one of the doors in the vase chamber as well. So obviously the "proto-xeno" at the end isn't the first of it's kind, and presumably the Engineers had been creating them as a weapon of some sort (or they were just raising them as bitchin' pets). But if that is the case then they must have had encounters with those giant facehuggers before, and it seems kind of dumb to raise something that dangerous, especially when it needs to plant an egg in something's stomach to create said bio-weapon. Which raises a few questions: What the hell were the Engineers using to birth them? Themselves? They have all these images of grown Xenos so they had obviously seen them born and mature already.

But:


Why was the giant facehugger hostile to the Engineer, but the xenos themselves are presumably not?

What is the plan for even using them as a bio-weapon? The lifecycle of the xeno is a goddamn mess but from what the movie gives us it seems like you have to infect a humanoid with the goop, have that humanoid mate with another uninfected humanoid to birth a facehugger, which must then jam an egg in someone, which then hatches and makes a xeno (bypassing the chestburster phase for some reason?). That seems pretty goddamn inefficient, especially if the bio-weapon might also turn on you in the process.

That also raises the question of how the same thing happened to the ship in Alien. I mean I guess it's plausible that another Engineer got infected, had sex, and started the whole process on some other planet, but the fact that humans have found two crashed vessels 30 years apart in the vastness of space means they were either absurdly, against-all-odds lucky, or these Engineers were crashing all over the drat place, in which case why the gently caress are they still playing around with that goop?


Maybe it's all some big allegory for humans creating things they can't control that will eventually annihilate us all, but in the context of the film it just makes the Engineers look like morons.

They may or may not have had an encounter with the giant tentacle face hugger thing before since it was born of a human, and I would presume that human's had not come to that moon before.

I think xeno's are hostile to everything, hence why all we ever see is dead space jockeys with holes in their chests. I think the jockeys have been trying to tame and control the xenos far longer than humans have and obviously have been unsuccessful.

GreenBuckanneer
Sep 15, 2007
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RizieN posted:

^^ Why? I walked out of the theater with this vague feeling of disappointment, but after thinking about it and sleeping on it I loving love it.

I'm pretty sure for most people, the exact opposite happened.

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Aug 30, 2008


ApexAftermath posted:

Also the guys getting lost and stuck for the night really stuck in my craw. The loving geologist guy who releases the mapping probes AND HAS THE loving PDA MAP THING ON HIS WRIST gets lost trying to leave. What? Did you forget that loving computer you have right on you that will lead you out? He made such a big deal of how cool his probe devices are it seems totally retarded he would forget how it works.
Someone else already mentioned this, but it's even worse when you consider that two ATVs and one APC left Prometheus to go to the temple, carrying everyone in the away team. Two ATVs and one APC returned to Prometheus. Only after everyone got back did they realize that the geologist and biologist were missing. Maybe everyone else thought they walked back to Prometheus? vv

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Mechafunkzilla posted:

Half a billion miles is about 6 AU's.

As someone else said, if she was taken literally that's only about the distance of jupiter.

MeinPanzer
Dec 19, 2004
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Iseeyouseemeseeyou posted:

So if we are a 100% DNA Match: Why did the white thing (Hammerpede?)form a xenomorph from the Engineer, but not from the Human engineer (Biologist or Geologist guy)?

Instead he took over the human or some weird loving poo poo and inverted all his limbs to give him superhuman attributes.

The hammerpede just killed the biologist, but it's something completely different from the squid which impregnated the Engineer.

And the guy who became a zombie was the geologist. He fell into the goop, and didn't get attacked by the hammerpede.

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Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?

SpaceMost posted:

Someone else already mentioned this, but it's even worse when you consider that two ATVs and one APC left Prometheus to go to the temple, carrying everyone in the away team. Two ATVs and one APC returned to Prometheus. Only after everyone got back did they realize that the geologist and biologist were missing. Maybe everyone else thought they walked back to Prometheus? vv

they were probably too busy trying to get away from the killer death storm to think about the guys who bugged out early.

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