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The Cameo
Jan 20, 2005

The FUCK is wrong with you people?


Considering how much of the production design (and even the premise of) these movies is inspired by or lifted straight from cheap pulpy sci-fi in both cinematic and literary forms, a poster that plants itself squarely in that realm doesn't seem too off-point.

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ApexAftermath
May 24, 2006

reaching
present participle of reach
To draw a conclusion based on more than a moment's thought.


Kind of bummed about the score. Listened to a good deal of it and it sounds very generic and not that great. I know that sometimes you have to see the movie and the music together to really make a call on these things, but I have to say the general sound of the score just really clashes hardcore with the way the film looks in all the trailers and clips(and honestly we have seen quite a bit of the film now so I think this is fair). It seems like a really by the book boring sci-fi film score when it really should have been a hell of a lot more atmospheric.

At best it's not THE WORST EVER or anything like that, but it is pretty forgettable. Once again just kind of bummed as I was expecting something a lot more atmospheric and not so by the numbers sounding. Maybe I'll warm up to it more after seeing the movie but I really don't think so.

Robot_Rumpus
Apr 4, 2004


The Cameo posted:

Considering how much of the production design (and even the premise of) these movies is inspired by or lifted straight from cheap pulpy sci-fi in both cinematic and literary forms, a poster that plants itself squarely in that realm doesn't seem too off-point.

I don't think the premise is lifted from pulp sci-fi at all. It's been a theme of literature since the dawn of the written word (and, honestly, far before then.

T-1000
Mar 28, 2010


Robot_Rumpus posted:

I don't think the premise is lifted from pulp sci-fi at all. It's been a theme of literature since the dawn of the written word (and, honestly, far before then.
Depends on what you take the premise to be. If it's "the relationship between creator and created", then yeah, that's old. If it's "people go into space, things go horribly, horribly wrong" that's pretty pulpy.
This seems like a good time to post this history of science fiction by Ward Shelley.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003
Belgium!

Robot_Rumpus posted:

I don't think the premise is lifted from pulp sci-fi at all.

Really? Not at all? You don't think it overlaps heavily with a specific Lovecraft short story? I mean, this entire franchise was started by a huge Lovecraft geek and a dude who loved Heavy Metal comics.

The Alien series is absolutely pulp. That's not a bad thing. The category contains some real classics, like Vonnegut and Le Guin's work, and Alien itself is some very high-class pulp in my opinion. But it's certainly in a different category from STALKER or 2001.

T-1000 posted:

Depends on what you take the premise to be. If it's "the relationship between creator and created", then yeah, that's old. If it's "people go into space, things go horribly, horribly wrong" that's pretty pulpy.

If you combine the two to get "Created goes into space and discovers their relationship with their Creator and things go horribly, horribly wrong," then it's definitely pulpy.

Bugblatter fucked around with this message at May 18, 2012 around 04:37

acksplode
May 17, 2004




Gonz posted:

Why don't they just make a poster where the entire script is printed from start to finish in really, really tiny font.

Holy poo poo, maybe if it's on the poster and in all the trailers then maybe just maybe it's not a spoiler. Maybe.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?


acksplode posted:

Holy poo poo, maybe if it's on the poster and in all the trailers then maybe just maybe it's not a spoiler. Maybe.

Maybe it shouldn't be in the trailer or on any of the posters? Maybe?

Bruce Willis didn't shout "I'M DEAD!" on the Sixth Sense poster.

Sir Nose
Mar 28, 2009


Gonz posted:

Bruce Willis didn't shout "I'M DEAD!" on the Sixth Sense poster.

He didn't have to. The little kid already told us in the tv commercials.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?


Sir Nose posted:

He didn't have to. The little kid already told us in the tv commercials.

Touche, salesman.

acksplode
May 17, 2004




Gonz posted:

Maybe it shouldn't be in the trailer or on any of the posters? Maybe?

Bruce Willis didn't shout "I'M DEAD!" on the Sixth Sense poster.

You're saying that the collision is comparable to a Shyamalan twist. Without even having seen the movie.

The Beast
Jul 6, 2004

l33t sauce on your mom's face

3 NEW Clips from Prometheus
**SPOILERS**
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwP69mBKBI0

Robot_Rumpus
Apr 4, 2004


Bugblatter posted:

Really? Not at all? You don't think it overlaps heavily with a specific Lovecraft short story? I mean, this entire franchise was started by a huge Lovecraft geek and a dude who loved Heavy Metal comics.

The Alien series is absolutely pulp. That's not a bad thing. The category contains some real classics, like Vonnegut and Le Guin's work, and Alien itself is some very high-class pulp in my opinion. But it's certainly in a different category from STALKER or 2001.


If you combine the two to get "Created goes into space and discovers their relationship with their Creator and things go horribly, horribly wrong," then it's definitely pulpy.

I think the core story is pretty much pre written word. The aliens and horror can be comparable to the gods getting angry at human transgressions. The lovecraft aspect is a cool veneer added to the story.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011


Bugblatter posted:

Really? Not at all? You don't think it overlaps heavily with a specific Lovecraft short story? I mean, this entire franchise was started by a huge Lovecraft geek and a dude who loved Heavy Metal comics.

The Alien series is absolutely pulp. That's not a bad thing. The category contains some real classics, like Vonnegut and Le Guin's work

If Vonnegut and Le Guin are pulp then I'm really not sure what definition of 'pulp' you're working from.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

The level of betrayal I felt when Paradox announced their new wallpaper tore something from me that I'll never be able to recover. They tore away my ability to respect anything, and they tore away my ability to feel human.

The Beast posted:

3 NEW Clips from Prometheus
**SPOILERS**
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwP69mBKBI0

In case anyone's wondering, one of the clips is 'prometheus landing' and the other two fill out about 20 seconds worth of footage each around moments that have heavily featured in the trailers so far and don't really give anything away beyond what's already been shown.

Dirtyhat
Mar 29, 2005

You got moxie, kid.

Alchenar posted:

In case anyone's wondering, one of the clips is 'prometheus landing' and the other two fill out about 20 seconds worth of footage each around moments that have heavily featured in the trailers so far and don't really give anything away beyond what's already been shown.

Thank you. I was afraid of spoiling any more of the movie; it makes me want june to come faster.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003
Belgium!

General Battuta posted:

If Vonnegut and Le Guin are pulp then I'm really not sure what definition of 'pulp' you're working from.

Pulp fiction is a literary aesthetic consisting of lurid or sensational subjects. Space-men, alien invasions, and whiz-bang futurism. Although the aesthetic has a bit of a cultural stigma attached, it isn't artless. Authors like Vonnegut, Atwood, and Chabon have proven that the framework can be useful in quality writing. Chabon's work in particular (Along with the work of fellow Pulitzer winner Juno Diaz) specifically discusses pulp's value and place within our culture. But it's still identifiably separate from other literary styles, and the Alien series fits comfortably within the genre.

Robot_Rumpus
Apr 4, 2004


Bugblatter posted:

Pulp fiction is a literary aesthetic consisting of lurid or sensational subjects. Space-men, alien invasions, and whiz-bang futurism. Although the aesthetic has a bit of a cultural stigma attached, it isn't artless. Authors like Vonnegut, Atwood, and Chabon have proven that the framework can be useful in quality writing. Chabon's work in particular (Along with the work of fellow Pulitzer winner Juno Diaz) specifically discusses pulp's value and place within our culture. But it's still identifiably separate from other literary styles, and the Alien series fits comfortably within the genre.

If you don't care to examine any stories or literature that pre date that, sure. But the theme itself is incredibly old and fits far better into greek mythology.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011


Bugblatter posted:

Pulp fiction is a literary aesthetic consisting of lurid or sensational subjects. Space-men, alien invasions, and whiz-bang futurism.

Le Guin's most notable works were completely opposed to this aesthetic; The Left Hand of Darkness, for instance, is set in space, and has men, but is neither lurid nor sensational. Vonnegut's work reflected on pulp, perhaps, but rarely committed to it without a degree of self-awareness and introspection.

Tangentially related namedrop, Junot Diaz was my girlfriend's thesis advisor and I got to talk to him a bit, he's really cool.

Jose Mengelez
Sep 11, 2001


Discussion about pulp authors, in the prometheus thread?

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.

Maarak posted:

Looks fine to me.

Something is off here. Oh, yes,

Jamsta
Dec 16, 2006

Oh you want some too? Fuck you!

feedmyleg posted:

Something is off here. Oh, yes,



Teal and l'orange?

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

Three lives you shall have of me. No more, no less. Three and we are done.


Saturated colours is the new thing tho!

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

Everyone talks about how awesome Achilles is, but did he ever made the god of war his bitch?


Sadly Diomedesforever6 just doesn't ring as well as Achillesforever6

This been posted yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...d&v=_wYRiE3UkmU
Very cool and creative marketing

Mahlertov Cocktail
Mar 1, 2010

I ate your Mahler avatar! Hahahaha!

That trailer's dramatic music over the couple making out is hilarious.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003
Belgium!

Robot_Rumpus posted:

If you don't care to examine any stories or literature that pre date that, sure. But the theme itself is incredibly old and fits far better into greek mythology.

Any narrative form can be traced back to ancient myth if you boil it down enough, especially sci-fi and fantasy.

General Battuta posted:

Tangentially related namedrop, Junot Diaz was my girlfriend's thesis advisor and I got to talk to him a bit, he's really cool.

That's awesome. I am jealous. Every interview I read/see with him makes him seem like a great individual.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006



achillesforever6 posted:

This been posted yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...d&v=_wYRiE3UkmU
Very cool and creative marketing

Ways to make public transportation less boring?

Android Bicyclist
Apr 28, 2009

Leave no chalupa behind...
Yes, I shoot just like this.


This came on while watching the Thunder/Lakers game tonight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mKh5AzGhKs

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011


Android Bicyclist posted:

This came on while watching the Thunder/Lakers game tonight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mKh5AzGhKs

Ugh. Maybe I'm naive for feeling irritation but this just seems sad. Is this a widespread advertising method now?

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003
Belgium!

FourLeaf posted:

Ugh. Maybe I'm naive for feeling irritation but this just seems sad. Is this a widespread advertising method now?

Um... for the last 30 years or so, yeah. The original Alien had Pepsi ads. This can't be the first time you've seen this sort of thing.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?


That ad is a gyp. There's not nearly enough alien monster face surprise sex in it.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011


Bugblatter posted:

Um... for the last 30 years or so, yeah. The original Alien had Pepsi ads. This can't be the first time you've seen this sort of thing.

Somehow it is. Maybe I just don't watch enough TV.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003
Belgium!

FourLeaf posted:

Somehow it is. Maybe I just don't watch enough TV.

Nah, sounds like your doing something right.

Tenterhooks
Jul 27, 2003

Bang Bang

Ridley Scott's Prometheus: They went looking for information. What they found could spoil the film.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002

Don't fuckle with Shuckle(s)

Like that other Shuckle, but different.


Gonz posted:

That ad is a gyp. There's not nearly enough alien monster face surprise sex in it.

Drinking Coors Light is the same so there was plenty implied.

UFOTofuTacoCat
Sep 22, 2005



Final Scene: Jockey's roll up on the Coors Light Train and party down.

EmperorFritoBandito
Aug 7, 2010

What's gonna happen when tech support finally picks up?

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Gonz posted:

That ad is a gyp. There's not nearly enough alien monster face surprise sex in it.
Drinking Coors Light is the same so there was plenty implied.

Yeah, chug three or four Coors Lights and you'll also be wishing you had a surgical machine that could tear your midsection out.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.




Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Drinking Coors Light is the same so there was plenty implied.

"The beer ain't that bad, man!"

therealjon_
Oct 19, 2004

...


I just saw an ad (while my wife was watching Saved by the Bell on MTV2) that actually showed the full big tentacle monster ... did I maybe just miss it being posted before or has it been shown? I been following this thread pretty close.

Bugblatter
Aug 4, 2003
Belgium!

therealjon_ posted:

I just saw an ad (while my wife was watching Saved by the Bell on MTV2) that actually showed the full big tentacle monster ... did I maybe just miss it being posted before or has it been shown? I been following this thread pretty close.

First I've heard of it. What the gently caress, Fox marketing team? I'm glad I don't watch television.

Bugblatter fucked around with this message at May 19, 2012 around 20:49

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echoplex
Mar 5, 2008

Stainless Style


Welp, I didn't know it was in the film, but I do now thanks to this thread!

e: for those of us overseas or unlikely to watch trailers on TV, would you dudes consider spoiling that?

echoplex fucked around with this message at May 19, 2012 around 20:47

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