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Philthy posted:Haven't they been saying since day one this isn't a prequel and only has basic ties to the franchise? Yes but if you wanted to make a new Alien film and do it properly (and without both the problem of audience knowledge and the taint of the previous films), that's exactly what you would say.
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| # ¿ Jan 13, 2012 10:22 |
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Neo Rasa posted:Interestingly, initially the idea was that Bishop (or another synthetic) doesn't go into cryo-sleep and basically walks the halls/makes sure it stays on course. The libe Burke has about how it's a requirement that all missions have a synthetic on board wasn't bullshit but was for this purpose. Except Aliens establishes that space travel is now incredibly fast: the Sulaco arrives at Acheron while the last colonists are being implanted and Newt is still running about by herself. That's a pretty quick response time. (In contrast to in Alien, where the journey could easily have been something like five years - ie. not everyone-I-know-is-dead long but long enough that you'd want to sleep though it).
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| # ¿ Jan 15, 2012 09:51 |
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Sprat Sandwich posted:In addition to 57 years of technological advances there is also the matter of the Nostromo being a tugboat hauling a barge and the Sulaco a cruiser. The point is, if transport speed is down to two weeks then there really isn't any point in putting people into stasis. Especially if you are a warship then anyway... The only thing that actually bugs me about Aliens is that the second half of the film relies on an event that requires a little too much suspension of disbelief - an alien gets aboard the dropship during the mere seconds that it's on the surface, and then appears to kill the pilot right when that causes the dropship to crash onto the APC. The script just tries a little too hard to gently caress over the main characters there in a way that it doesn't do elsewhere.
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| # ¿ Jan 15, 2012 15:16 |
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I.W.W. ATTITUDE posted:One thing that always bugged me was that Gorman didn't pull the marines back after everyone realized that they were under a nuclear reactor. It seems like once they saw all the cocooned colonists and the hive they'd realize that they're dealing with something pretty dangerous and that everyone would need to be effectively armed. Even without more personnel or on-ship support it seems like they would have stood a much better chance if they'd just gotten the gently caress out of the hive, re-equipped everyone with sidearms and flame-throwers, then gone back in with a plan that uses that kind of firepower effectively. Instead Gorman ordered everyone's clips out, then sent them in further to check out the nest of creatures that had obviously overpowered and killed/captured 100+ armed colonists. I assumed two things: a) the colonists weren't really armed. Maybe a few sidearms and shotguns for policing purposes but really why would you bring guns to a terraforming project? b) that the reactor blew up in the end because of the firefight - using live ammo was a genuinely bad idea and we know it's a bad decision to proceed but Gorman doesn't really have any choice.
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| # ¿ Jan 15, 2012 21:57 |
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It's the future and someone designed a nuclear reactor that doesn't just not shut down when the coolant system is damaged but somehow transforms itself into a bomb. Deal with it. e; it's fairly easy to retcon 1) Bishop is just being hyperbolic for 2) The reactor is at the bottom of a massive metal structure. Really massive. I can buy the AP exploding and scattering itself over the whole settlement while actually containing a lot of the blast. Alchenar fucked around with this message at Jan 15, 2012 around 23:45 |
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Well they literally don't have to do anything for the game. Some guy just notes when they land that it looks like the AP reactor went critical and everyone just accepts that statement without question.
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| # ¿ Jan 16, 2012 00:00 |
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Xenomrph posted:To be fair that facehugger may or may not have been from before the blast, it's been hinted that the Marine squad you play as in the game are not the first-responders following the events of 'Aliens'. The Demo was from about 4 chapters into the game - the Marine force has taken massive casualties already. It looks like most of the colony has been destroyed (the landscape outside is a mess of twisted metal) but the interior of the command centre (which was a pretty massive building) is intact.
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| # ¿ Jan 16, 2012 09:53 |
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Darko posted:I read through the "realism" discussion in its entirety, just now, and it wasn't really bad at all - people weren't complaining about it, just discussing possible reasons, etc., outside of a few people who joined the discussion imagining people were complaining before they even answered, and pre-loading their responses with that. It was actually non-"spergy" and semi interesting. I was always quite happy assuming that the Marine Cruiser was built in-universe with scalability in mind; it's automated enough that you can put a single dropship's worth of troops on there and it'll fly itself, but there's actually enough space that you could pack an entire company into the thing if you needed to. The more thought out explanation being that perhaps in the future of SPACE MARINES there's a different relationship between having spaceships somewhere and having troops somewhere; it might be that the spaceships are on a premium and can't really leave the areas they're assigned to, so when the Corps needs to boost strength then they just load up marines into the ship they have assigned to that sector.
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| # ¿ Jan 16, 2012 13:51 |
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Protocol 5 posted:There are dozens of people with creative input into a film, being the director doesn't make your reading of it any more valid than that of the screenwriter(s) or the actors and actresses who play the lead roles. No, it means that you have agree that the point of the North Korean propaganda film is to put forward the view that Kim Jong Un is the best loving dude ever and you should sacrifice all to defend juche from the decadent imperialist West. You are a very strange person if you incapable of perceiving an argument or viewpoint and not agreeing with it. This is not what 'interpretation' means. Propaganda is actually a very good example of why the death of the author isn't always valid, because anyone claiming that a propaganda film is about anything other than the subject of the propaganda is either an idiot or watching the result of an incompetent propagandist. The better a director is the less space there should be for the death of the author (unless that's his intent) because the film should conform closer to the themes that he has in mind. This is not to say that it would be illegitimate to come up with an individual interpretation of the work, but rather that it should be harder and harder to justify.
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| # ¿ Jan 27, 2012 09:30 |
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Fag Boy Jim posted:Saying that a work of art has a canonical "point" is just a guarded way of ascribing authorial intent, isn't it? You're just saying here "Hey, this film was obviously made to promote the NK government", which may be true, but isn't really what people would call an interpretation of the film. "The point of" Night of the Living Dead was to make people piss their pants, (and, taking this to the silly extreme, "the point of" any movie is to make money) does that mean that the very common interpretation based on racial politics can't be discussed? I think my critical paragraph was the last. If the author has a specific intent and is good at their craft, then it should be difficult to come to another interpretation.
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| # ¿ Jan 27, 2012 15:10 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Without actually writing why you think what you think, I have absolutely no idea of what your 'preference on a critical level' entails. If it's a simply a listing of 'plot holes' then we can just scoff and move on. [Googling "Battle: Los Angeles Plot Hole" of course reveals that even the notorious spergs at IMDB can't find much wrong with it. It's all asinine Cloverfield-style complaints that they don't explain where the aliens come from - or why they have acid blood, communicate nonverbally and see without eyes (for example).] There is nothing special about water being in its liquid form. The whole premise of the invasion was nonsensical.
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| # ¿ Feb 1, 2012 00:14 |
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Xenomrph posted:It's pretty evident from the movie that discovering the Space Jockey or Alien wasn't "first contact". The fact that the Company had pre-set procedures for what to do in the event of an extraterrestrial signal, going so far as to delineate the forfeiture of shares and bonuses if the crew of space-truckers doesn't follow it. The Nostromo was specifically sent to that beacon by Special Order 937 (without the crew's knowledge) so the Company obviously knew there was something there even if they didn't know how important and/or deadly it actually was. If it was actual honest-to-god first contact with extraterrestrials, do you really think the Company would have intentionally sent completely unprepared and non-briefed space-truckers there as the first contact team? I think that can be explained entirely as 'Aliens are an opportunity, we need to get there and we need to get there first and we can't wait months to get a team together or tip anyone else off or risk losing the signal'. It isn't far fetched that a company running spaceships would have a rule that says 'if you happen to encounter what could be intelligent alien life then drop everything and make a beeline for it because the rewards far outweigh the risks'.
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| # ¿ Feb 3, 2012 17:00 |
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Xenomrph posted:Having Bishop II suddenly be an android flies in the face of the script, and you also get problems when you look at 'Alien Resurrection', which has "second gen" androids that are literally built by other androids for the specific purpose of hiding among humans and yet still bleed white blood, but "Bishop II" had red blood 200 years prior in 'Alien3'. Not to defend Resurrection, or to indicate that I care one bit about 'canon', but Resurrection does take place post-apocalypse-that-happens-some-time-after-Alien3. Also the second gen 'hiding among humans' thing makes no sense because in Alien none of the crew can tell that Ash is an android.
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| # ¿ Feb 18, 2012 12:08 |
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Oh precious katana posted:I have to say, if someone showed up and talked like that at a real TED talk, I think he would be more likely to be met by sniggers than applause. Don't get me wrong, I loved the clip, but the sheer movie-ness of his delivery clashed with my memories of listening to real TED talks. If it were a real TED talk everyone would be wondering what a Craig-era Bond villain was doing talking to them.
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| # ¿ Feb 29, 2012 12:33 |
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colonel_korn posted:So much of the promotional material has shown that shot of the Prometheus ramming the derelict ship that I have to think it's some kind of fake-out, or at least not the actual climax of the film. I mean, I really hope they're not just giving away the ending like that We see a take-off, we see ramming, we see a crash. It seems likely that those three things happen in order and set up the latter half/third of the film, which is 'oh god we are all trapped on this planet with monster X how are we going to survive?'
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| # ¿ Mar 28, 2012 12:08 |
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Robot_Rumpus posted:According to the soundtrack it's at the end of the movie also. The thing is we've also seen in the trailers Rapace's character running on the ground with the Juggernaught crashing in the background, so unless the ending is 'a spaceship lands on her and she dies' there's very probably a climax to come after that moment'.
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| # ¿ May 11, 2012 20:16 |
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I'm banking that enough people survive the crash for it to be clear that there's a whole final Act after that scene rather than just a few more minutes of footage. Given that the starts aren't actually on the ship when it happens it's setup rather than climax.
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| # ¿ May 17, 2012 09:03 |
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The Beast posted:3 NEW Clips from Prometheus In case anyone's wondering, one of the clips is 'prometheus landing' and the other two fill out about 20 seconds worth of footage each around moments that have heavily featured in the trailers so far and don't really give anything away beyond what's already been shown.
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| # ¿ May 18, 2012 12:32 |
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I hope that halfway through the film one of the engineers puts on a Predator mask and suddenly it's an 80's action B-movie.
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| # ¿ May 20, 2012 15:30 |
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JazzmasterCurious posted:My guess is that the connection between the movies is vague and coincidental: The Prometheus Project goes horribly poo poo, with Weyland Corporation back home receiving just small amounts of data, if any, about what happens. Perhaps the person in the escape capsule that released just before the crash returns to Earth to inform of the horrors. Enough, perhaps, to know it's not wise to go back and investigate. Years later, the Nostromo picks up a signal that matches something deep inside Weyland-Yutani data banks. New leadership and corporate greed looks past the warnings and direct the Nostromo to investigate. What's on LV-426 is similar to what the Prometheus discovered: One of many ships with slightly different results of the same type of experiment. Even if nobody survives it isn't like Weyland would just forget that they sent a spaceship to a planet and nobody ever came back. They might hush it up so that nobody else knows though.
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| # ¿ May 29, 2012 13:24 |
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gimpfarfar posted:This is going to sound bitter, but: I wonder thematically if the way things turn out is because ok so you have a super-advanced alien race that has clearly decided that biotechnology and the creation of biological life is the way forwards, from what the opening sequence suggests is a really big deal to them. And then he's presented with created life that is artificial in nature.
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| # ¿ Jun 1, 2012 00:03 |
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az posted:Oh well then, I'd thought I'd heard AvP was canon to the Alien universe and Prometheus too. I find this wierd because nobody who makes serious films cares one bit about 'canon'.
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| # ¿ Jun 2, 2012 14:57 |
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| # ¿ May 19, 2013 20:06 |
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BisonDollah posted:Okay, well I've adjusted my complaints about the movie. Earlier I said that David triggers a star-map that shows the ship was always intended for Earth, it also shows a hologrom of the Engineers being killed before they they could fly it and that meant they were heading out 2000 years earlier only to be stopped by their own weapon. Well, in the context of the ancient civilization star maps then yes, the ship was always intended for Earth but not necessarily 2000 years ago (I hear ya saying "durr!"). These ancient maps on Earth were an invitation set down for humanity to basically let the Engineers know when we had gotten too big for our boots, to trigger our destruction & I had simply mis-read that scene, my bad. Whatever attacked the Engineers I don't know & I don't know why that even mattered & only one survived *shrug*. We still need to watch the sequel to find out the reasons for the big question, regardless. The problem with that is that it all seems... unnecessarily complicated.
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| # ¿ Jun 2, 2012 15:11 |
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