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Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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While the old thread only reached 12 pages, a lot of the more recent posts have been asking for assistance in finding contracting positions. With Hagateka's permission Iíve recreated Tap The Foward Assists excellent thread more along that vein. This thread is focused on positions with companies that do downrange, operational work. Because if you werenít in some other poor saps country, youíd hardly be a mercenary, right? (Naturally, most of these companies also have stateside positions).

Of course what you qualify for now is mostly dependent on what you did in the military. Almost every military job will have a proxy somewhere in this list. Thereís no easy way to create a comprehensive and targeted list of companies, so Iíll try to break them into three separate groups to start. As people help me add more companies to the list, perhaps I can refine the categories further. However, just because something is in one category does not mean they do not have jobs in other categories. For instance, my old company L3 has jobs ranging from interrogators to intel analysts. DynCorp has shooters, helicopter pilots and mechanics, medics, analysts, the whole deal. Every company has admin and HR positions. The best thing you can do is just go through all of the companies and apply to jobs that you believe you qualify for. There are other options, such as ClearanceJobs.com, which is a great resource for all sorts of positions, not just intelligence jobs. A great resource for operations types (shooters, intelligence) is SOCNET.com (make sure to read and follow the rules because the admins take this poo poo super seriously). I prefer to apply directly to companies, though, since they will usually make you do that anyways.


[Get tats, get money]
Private Military Companies: These companies work all sorts of different contracts, but at the end of the day, their general purpose is protecting people and assets in place of military personnel. If you were an Army grunt, you will want to start looking here. If you did some Special Forces stuff, this is your home. They have all the support roles that would come with running a small private army, as well, from armorer to weapons instructor, HR people, K-9 handlers and intelligence analysts. Itís basically a tiny little military without most of the retardation you dealt with while a slave to the system.

(Note: IF YOU HAVE DONE: Convoy Ops, Protection Detail, any kind of Force Protection work, if you have done literally anything where you can say ďI protected ______Ē [other than some stupid poo poo like ďfreedomĒ], you likely can get a pretty decent job working PSD. Static ainít so good, but itís better than sucking dick to pay for your drinking problem. I am willing to help anyone applying to a PMC frame their experience a little better because it can be a bit intimidating. Post in the thread, or if you arenít comfortable, PM me.)

  • Triple Canopy - Current Prime on the State Department WPS contract. Excellent reputation for professionalism and top notch personnel. People generally bounce between here and BW. Triple Canopy and BW both do a 3 month on, 1 month off (or a near variant) leave rotation, so every 3 months you get a 1 month vacation to somewhere in the world!
  • Xe (e.g. Blackwater, US Training Center, whatever shell company they are using today) - Bad public reputation but an excellent reputation in the industry and amongst employees. Who cares what the public thinks, itís your paycheck. BW got the boot from Iraq (too bad, really) and are now primarily focused on Afghanistan and other nations.
  • DynCorp International - Great reputation from former employees. Enormous company with tons of opportunities. Name leads me to believe Lex Luthor owns it. Active in both Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as Kosovo last I heard.
  • Aegis - They are on the WPS contract as well, mostly working in northern Iraq afaik. British company, but yes, you are allowed to work for them, even if you are in a sensitive field such as intelligence. This company was founded by Tim Spicer, a famous British mercenary.
  • ArmorGroup - Afghanistan contracts as far as I know. Had a bit of a PR incident a couple years back, have fun Googling that. They learned from BW and changed their name to something innocuous.
  • EODT - Iím not really 100% sure on what contracts this company has won recently. A quick glance over their hiring list shows quite a bit of intel, but a number of random typical PMC jobs (dog handlers, etc).
  • Olive Group - Another protection ops company, also British. Currently operating at least in Iraq. I have no idea how to find jobs on their site so good luck with that. (EDIT (24 September): I now meet weekly with their Iraq program manager, let me know if you are trying to get in with them and maybe I can assist somehow. He is a real nice guy.)
  • SOC - BAD reputation as the lowest bidder. They have a huge amount of the static security contracts in Iraq, meaning as an American working on their static contracts (such as BSEF [IZ security]), you are managing a bunch of Peruvians and Ugandans. I donít know how well they pay.
  • Global Integrated Security - These guys have the Basra contract. No information on them as of yet. Do your research on Basra, though.


[Nerds ITT]
White Collar Companies: I couldnít think of a better name for these companies. They are the ones with the big intel contracts and the other types of white collar jobs, to include IT and COMM type poo poo. But if you have one of those ďoddĒ jobs, like dog handler, or interpreter, or interrogator, definitely check these companies as well, because they snag those contracts too. (Note: Right now the list is really heavily skewed towards intel companies, since that's what I know and have had contact with. Some of you IT guys, please help out, since there are far more of you.)

  • L3 - I used to work for L3. They are a giant company. Like all giant companies, they donít give a poo poo about their people. However, they stuck to contracts and there was no funny business. They have a ton of opportunities worldwide so this is a pretty good company to get in with. As a prime on many contracts, they will pay better than the subcontractors.
  • MPRI - They do a whole shitload of stuff. L3 bought them.
  • Oak Grove - Intelligence subcontractor. Seemed like they have really great rotations (6 on / 6 off, etc) where you work during your homestation time so your pay doesnít bottom out.
  • Archimedes Global - These guys wanted to recruit me for C-IED poo poo in Afghanistan at one point. Was really unimpressed with their HR. They seemed incredibly disorganized. No further information on them. They may have something for you though.
  • FTI - A couple of my friends work(ed) for this company, though they jumped ship to come work with me in the PMC industry. From all accounts they treated their people well but as a subcontractor, they underpaid.


[Want to be like Grover? Yah, neither do I.]
Big Companies That Do Everything: These companies, as it says, do an incredible range of stuff, so they won't fit in either of the two other categories. Look through them if none of the other stuff applied, or even if it did, because the big companies pay people pretty well generally and you have a lot of career opportunities.

  • BAE - IT, engineering, etc.
  • Lockheed Martin - Engineering, IT, intelligence, blahblah.
  • Northrop Grumman - Please see above.
  • Raytheon - Also above.
  • KBR - Do I really need to tell anyone what this company does? KBR essentially runs bases from the bottom up. Like everything. No seriously, EVERYTHING.
  • PAE - These guys do all the KBR type stuff for US embassies around the world. Pretty cool.
  • DynCorp International - I put them twice so the non-PMC oriented type wouldn't miss out on a company that does helicopter maintenance and all kinds of other weird poo poo.

So far, these are almost all companies that I have personal experience with in some manner, whether it be working with them through recruitment, through word of mouth from former employees, or from working alongside their employees. I previously worked for L3 and now work for a PMC, so I can give some advice on both of those types.

(Note: Please, if you have any companies to add to this list, and even better, some kind of information to go along with it, just PM it to me so I can add it to the OP. Letís get all of our GIP brothers some jobs.)

Some common questions I get:

What will I get paid? - This differs for every job. Expect between 120k-300k in theater, depending on your job and experience level. What location intra-country you go to will rarely have any effect on your salary, so ďmore dangerousĒ does not equal ďmore girls shoved into my LamborghiniĒ. It is primarily dependent on how hard your type are to come by and what the contract provides. Afghanistan, despite some odd popular belief, does NOT pay more than Iraq as a rule. More often, in my experience, it pays less, because the government cares less about it and provides less money for those contracts.

How will I live? - Again, depends on which country, which installation within the country, and even which part of the base within the installation. On top of that, different contracts provide different things. I work with a DoD contractor who lives two to a CHU, while I have a room in a hard building to myself that came equipped with a plasma screen TV. Every contract is different. As a rule, you will live better in Iraq than you do in Afghanistan, by far. In Iraq, CHUís are basically what you will get. Sometimes they are wet (i.e. has bathroom in it), sometimes they arenít. Sometimes you have a roommate, sometimes you donít. In Afghanistan, a great many contractors are in tents. Some are in B-huts. You eat chowhall food, just like a soldier. You are generally entitled to everything a troop is, goods and support wise.

Do I have to do a year? - While most contracts are for a year, a great many are not as well. The important thing is, though, the contract is not really binding to that effect. Most are "at will", meaning the company can fire you whenever, and you can quit whenever. They canít force you to stay. They may try to level some kind of penalty against you if you leave early but the worst case is you have to pay for your own ticket out and you will lose some portion of your unpaid bonus. Just wait until you go on leave and never come back, like many people do.

Iíll add other common questions as they arise.

If you can not figure out what company to apply to, please just post a description of your job (or PM it to me) and someone will be able to help you find a company.

EDIT (25 September): http://projects.washingtonpost.com/...et-america/map/ This is actually a pretty useful tool for finding regional counterterrorism or fusion centers to work at. I used it to find a small handful of fusion centers and watch organizations in the Seattle area where I previously only knew of one. This is great for those intel/ops people that want to stay in the U.S. but do not want to work in DC or Tampa.

Rrail fucked around with this message at Sep 25, 2011 around 14:12

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Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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Trying to compile a list of confirmed offers so people have better SA on what they should be getting paid. Here's the start. Please, if you get an offer letter from somewhere, PM me and tell me what company and what you were offered (and what position) so I can post it up for everyone. I will keep everything confidential.

PMC:
Blackwater - Dog Handlder - $510 a day with 5% contract completion bonus.
Blackwater - Intelligence Analyst - Formerly $545 a day, they are now listing it as "TBD".
Blackwater - Firearms Instructor - $525 a day with 5% contract completion bonus.
Blackwater - Personal Security Specialist - $500 a day with 5% contract completion bonus.
Blackwater - Medic - ~$600 a day, $10k signing bonus.
Blackwater - Designated Marksman - ~$525 a day when I checked before.

SOC - Operations Support Specialist - $400 per day, 10% contract completion bonus, $1000 bonus per holiday in theater.
(Quick note: SOC has some of the lowest barriers to entry, so isn't bad as a starter position to get WPS qualified.)

Most of these are obtained right off of their site. Amongst the top tier PMCs, the pay rates are all roughly similar (invisible hand of the free market at work!!!!), so just take what Blackwater has and use that as a rough ballpark. Their intel analyst rate is on the low side but everything else seems about correct to my knowledge.

FMV:
Raytheon - Collection Management, FMV Exploitation - $218k/yr
General Dynamics - FMV Exploitation - $160k/yr (6 months deployed, 6 months CONUS in DC)
L3 Vertex - Sensor Operator - $740/day, 90/30 or 60/60 rotations
L3 Stratis - FMV Exploitation/ISR Tactical Coordinator - $120k/yr (4 months deployed, 8 months CONUS at Fort Bragg)
BAE - FMV Exploitation - $85k CONUS (DC)
Booz Allen Hamilton - FMV Exploitation - $96k CONUS (DC)
SAIC - FMV Exploitation - $92k CONUS (DC)

Intelligence:
L3 Stratis - Intelligence Analyst - $170k (ISS-I contract in Iraq - it is shutting down / largely diminished)
Mission Essential Personnel - Intelligence Analyst - $158k (ISS-A in Afghanistan)


Hey jerks, pass me info so we can help other GiP goons make good decisions.

Rrail fucked around with this message at Sep 27, 2011 around 08:11

white privilege
Jun 22, 2005

fighting to keep our blood pure

if you deploy for a year on an intel contract and only get $200k, you're getting hosed

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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Not everyone is FMV you fancy gently caress.

Edit: I forgot to mention in the OP, PMC's generally do a rotation of 3 months on, 1 month off. Not all of them, but most of them. BW (from what I understand) set it as the industry standard and it stuck. It owns.

Rrail fucked around with this message at Aug 4, 2011 around 03:15

white privilege
Jun 22, 2005

fighting to keep our blood pure

I'm not doing FMV at this job (not even doing intel anymore). It's all engineering stuff. And I make $200k if I deploy for a year. So intel should be in the $250k range.

I was just kinda bored with imagery and wanted a new challenge. I might jump back over if I get greedy.

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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Our Gay Apparel posted:

So intel should be in the $250k range.

Generic intel isn't uncommon enough, that will not happen currently at one of the "white collar" companies unless you are an intel manager (i.e. site lead, etc). I think SIA's at L3 were getting like $190k.

Edit: I had HEARD that there were 300k jobs through Lockheed in Afghanistan at one point but that was one guy saying that and he never produced this supposed offer letter. I mean that's not hard to get with like 15+ years but the guy in question had like 8 years.

Rrail fucked around with this message at Aug 4, 2011 around 03:28

white privilege
Jun 22, 2005

fighting to keep our blood pure

Rrail posted:

Generic intel isn't uncommon enough, that will not happen currently at one of the "white collar" companies unless you are an intel manager (i.e. site lead, etc). I think SIA's at L3 were getting like $190k.

Oh yeah. I forgot intel is more common. Well, lesson for everyone, do imagery if you can. Especially FMV. There's a fuckton of money in it. It's pretty boring most of the time, but when it's exciting, it's extremely exciting. Raytheon made a VERBAL offer of $280k to me to do collection management poo poo, and I had 4 years of experience. They never came through with an offer letter though. I should call that recruiter back, it's been a couple weeks.

are we the only 2 contractors left? gonna be rrail and oga chat up in this bitch

white privilege fucked around with this message at Aug 4, 2011 around 03:30

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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Well normal intel is pretty boring basically all the time and you make way better money as FMV so yes, do that.

No there's quite a few contractors remaining. And we got at least one homeboy coming in Iraq to do PSD work! More importantly I get a couple PM's a week concerning contracting jobs, so I'd really like to help people find positions at companies.

quote:

Raytheon made a VERBAL offer of $280k to me to do collection management poo poo, and I had 4 years of experience.

Delicious.

Rrail fucked around with this message at Aug 4, 2011 around 03:33

gleep gloop
Aug 16, 2005

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I suppose a clearance is necessary for any sort of collections work, correct? I have a TS-SCI but I've heard from a few people (AKA I think they're lying) that many companies do their own investigations and look for all sorts of crazy poo poo like how many skanks you've hosed, investment history, and look super hard at your credit. If these do happen, the fact that I passed an investigation for my clearance should mean I'm good right? My credit kind of sucks.

white privilege
Jun 22, 2005

fighting to keep our blood pure

gleep glop posted:

I suppose a clearance is necessary for any sort of collections work, correct? I have a TS-SCI but I've heard from a few people (AKA I think they're lying) that many companies do their own investigations and look for all sorts of crazy poo poo like how many skanks you've hosed, investment history, and look super hard at your credit. If these do happen, the fact that I passed an investigation for my clearance should mean I'm good right? My credit kind of sucks.

No company that I've ever heard of does any more than a quick criminal check. You have a TS/SCI, they know you're fine. And it's fine if your credit sucks, as long as you aren't in tons of debt. Even if you had good credit, if you had tons of debt, you'd be hosed. But that's clearance-wise, nothing to do with companies.

gleep gloop
Aug 16, 2005

GIP
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Our Gay Apparel posted:

No company that I've ever heard of does any more than a quick criminal check. You have a TS/SCI, they know you're fine. And it's fine if your credit sucks, as long as you aren't in tons of debt. Even if you had good credit, if you had tons of debt, you'd be hosed. But that's clearance-wise, nothing to do with companies.

I have 0 debt I was just a dumb kid a few years ago and got put in collections a few times. So I'm good, yippee!

Helldump Immunity
Sep 11, 2001
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Does anybody have any experience with GMTI/SAR analysis? Looking back at my career, it was one of my strong points that I really enjoyed. Any info/leads would be greatly appreciated.

I have also done some Intel specific jobs (ISARC Liason / Electronic Combat Officer mission planning, etc), would that be enough for a collection manager position or would they just laugh at my resume?

I love you all and great thread Rrail.

white privilege
Jun 22, 2005

fighting to keep our blood pure

Booz Allen and Lockheed are the main people who do SAR stuff, mainly in New Mexico. I have a few contacts there, if you'd like. I was TDY there for a while. SAR is pretty cool. You're talking actual exploitation right?

As for collection management, they're desperate to find qualified people, so you might be able to.

Fart Sandwiches
Apr 3, 2006



I'm about to start contracting with a company that handles the DoD Joint Cyber Analysis Course (otherwise JCAC). Looking forward to it because the pay is absolutely bonkers and it's a 7-16 kinda gig.

This company also holds contracts for various Navy cyber missions so if you're into programming and computer forensics send me a pm and I'll get you the company name.

edit: TS//SCI recommended and should be able to pass a full scope poly.

Fear and Loathing
Mar 27, 2006
Buy the ticket, take the ride

Anyone have experience contracting as a medic? Probably going to go with Triple Canopy if I end up ETSing.

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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Fear and Loathing posted:

Anyone have experience contracting as a medic? Probably going to go with Triple Canopy if I end up ETSing.

Do it, all the medics I have talked to are super gung-ho about their job. However, there is generally a medic shortage, so don't expect to get the camaraderie of being put on a team and staying with the guys full time. You're going to get whored out to whatever teams need you. On the plus side, you will get to know everyone, and networking is the key just like in every other industry.

Triple Canopy is currently Prime on the WPS and has TO-5, which is Baghdad. Starting pay for a medic is $560 (a day) with BW, and all of the companies pay pretty comparably, from my understanding.

The general consensus (between contractors in general but also on places like SOCNET.com) is that if you can get on the WPS contract, do it with a smile on your face because it's a pretty unbeatable deal.

gleep glop posted:

I suppose a clearance is necessary for any sort of collections work, correct? I have a TS-SCI but I've heard from a few people (AKA I think they're lying) that many companies do their own investigations and look for all sorts of crazy poo poo like how many skanks you've hosed, investment history, and look super hard at your credit. If these do happen, the fact that I passed an investigation for my clearance should mean I'm good right? My credit kind of sucks.

Hahaha, white collar companies doing investigations, that's a rich one.

They virtually trip over themselves to get you hired and on a plane as fast as possible if you're any sort of intelligence or ISR job.

Our Gay Apparel posted:

Booz Allen and Lockheed are the main people who do SAR stuff, mainly in New Mexico.

For what it's worth, my buddy works for Booz in DC (as an intel analyst) and it's very tempting to go there next because of the way they work internally, it sounds really fantastic. Sadly I am greedy as hell so 80k a year isn't something I can cope with.

Rrail fucked around with this message at Aug 4, 2011 around 13:09

white privilege
Jun 22, 2005

fighting to keep our blood pure

Rrail posted:

For what it's worth, my buddy works for Booz in DC (as an intel analyst) and it's very tempting to go there next because of the way they work internally, it sounds really fantastic. Sadly I am greedy as hell so 80k a year isn't something I can cope with.

Booz Allen pays very well, 80 is really low. Especially for you having deployed as an intel contractor. You're more likely looking in the high 80s, plus if you do shift work, high 90s to low 100s because of the differential. And then you constantly get 4 day weekends. Shift work owns.

The Sock
Dec 28, 2006


I just got an job offer for 150k for an entry-level construction management type job in Afghanistan, I believe its going to be in Bagram.

I've only talked to an HR lady on the phone and don't know the specifics, thats why I'm so skeptical at the moment and they want me to make a decision by Monday.

white privilege
Jun 22, 2005

fighting to keep our blood pure

The Sock posted:

I just got an job offer for 150k for an entry-level construction management type job in Afghanistan, I believe its going to be in Bagram.

I've only talked to an HR lady on the phone and don't know the specifics, thats why I'm so skeptical at the moment and they want me to make a decision by Monday.

Your offer letter should lay out the details. What questions do you have?

The Sock
Dec 28, 2006


It was over the phone, I just e-mailed her for a contract.

My main concern is regarding safety and where I would be located. She said I would be in Bagram for 6 months and possibly stay there another 6 or be sent somewhere else.

I think I just need more details regarding it before I can make a decision.

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

A/T: ASK ME ABOUT AIRSOFT AND NOT LETTING GO

I am getting out of the CG with one of the harder quals to get, Small Arms Instructor. I would love to parlay this into another job of some sort. Rrail gave some good links in the ex-contractor thread but he mentioned I ought to ask here too. Any advice getting a job and leveraging my experience as a LEO and Small Arms Instructor, and not getting hosed with my lack of 'time shooting at actual people in a combat zone'?

Helldump Immunity
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Our Gay Apparel posted:

Booz Allen and Lockheed are the main people who do SAR stuff, mainly in New Mexico. I have a few contacts there, if you'd like. I was TDY there for a while. SAR is pretty cool. You're talking actual exploitation right?

As for collection management, they're desperate to find qualified people, so you might be able to.

Thanks for the help; I checked out Booz Allen and they have this Junior Military Officer program that looks interesting. Never heard of them until this thread.

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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Our Gay Apparel posted:

Booz Allen pays very well, 80 is really low. Especially for you having deployed as an intel contractor. You're more likely looking in the high 80s, plus if you do shift work, high 90s to low 100s because of the differential. And then you constantly get 4 day weekends. Shift work owns.

Good to know. My buddy was describing how they encourage their junior people (he's considered a "Senior Consultant" though), to try to generate new contracts and new business for the company. That seems right up my alley. I want to go back to college but people aren't making it easy for me.

movax
Aug 30, 2008



Elendil004 posted:

I am getting out of the CG with one of the harder quals to get, Small Arms Instructor. I would love to parlay this into another job of some sort. Rrail gave some good links in the ex-contractor thread but he mentioned I ought to ask here too. Any advice getting a job and leveraging my experience as a LEO and Small Arms Instructor, and not getting hosed with my lack of 'time shooting at actual people in a combat zone'?

Your title... did you pick that up from some kind goon in D&D?

To contribute: sounds like you could apply for a state-side training position with one of the PMCs?

Whip Slagcheek
Sep 21, 2008
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movax posted:

To contribute: sounds like you could apply for a state-side training position with one of the PMCs?

Or FLETC. Degree of difficulty: living in southern Georgia.

The Sock
Dec 28, 2006


She gave me the official job description and said:

"The no guarantees on the location... The initial 6 months or so will be
located at Bagram...
I do not know for sure IF you would have to move to a different base or
where or when...."

I also asked if there was a contract to look over, but she has not sent that yet. I don't like having what someone said in an e-mail or over the phone, I would like to see it in writing before committing to anything.

EDIT:

The "employment agreement" is not signed/given until you have completed all
pre-processing requirements and then flown to Greenville.
In Greenville, SC, your employment agreement will cover the base salary,
80% in uplifts, scheduled work hours above the 40 , sign-on and completion
bonus and the travel allowance. You receive the offer letter after you
have accepted the verbal offer, and completed the initial employment
application.. The offer letter only covers the base salary offer and
position title.
The remaining information/details is covered in Greenville during
processing...

The Sock fucked around with this message at Aug 4, 2011 around 18:02

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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Whip Slagcheek posted:

Or FLETC. Degree of difficulty: living in southern Georgia.

I think there are multiple FLETC's, aren't there?

The Sock posted:

I also asked if there was a contract to look over, but she has not sent that yet. I don't like having what someone said in an e-mail or over the phone, I would like to see it in writing before committing to anything.

Typically, at entry level, you will not see a contract until very late in the process. Which is super annoying, because I can save the company a lot of time if the offer amount or leave schedule isn't high enough.

Whip Slagcheek
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Rrail posted:

I think there are multiple FLETC's, aren't there?

Well yeah, but Glynco is the biggest one by far.

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

A/T: ASK ME ABOUT AIRSOFT AND NOT LETTING GO

I mean I'll go to Iraq, might be interesting...

And yeah, D&D loves me.

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

A/T: ASK ME ABOUT AIRSOFT AND NOT LETTING GO

What can you guys tell me about resumes for this sort of thing? Does experience speak for itself, or does a solid resume help a ton?

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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Of course a solid resume helps. Remember what the company you are applying for does and your positions spot in that, and tailor it to match that. You are applying to a company whos primary function is PSD (I'm guessing), and you want to be a firearms instructor. Include elements of both in your resume.

Don't stress too bad because most of these companies are hungry for people, and realize that a lot of the people you go up against are like seriously 6th grade reading level Marines.

white privilege
Jun 22, 2005

fighting to keep our blood pure

Elendil004 posted:

What can you guys tell me about resumes for this sort of thing? Does experience speak for itself, or does a solid resume help a ton?

Your resume should look pretty, if only to catch the eye.

I have to drive down to DC tomorrow and convince them to give me a passport same day so I can get my LOA. I was having some issues with getting deployed, and I told my company I was leaving if I wasn't in country this month. A fire was lit immediately. That should show you how desperate these companies are.

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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Hahaha have fun with that poo poo.

white privilege
Jun 22, 2005

fighting to keep our blood pure

Rrail posted:

Hahaha have fun with that poo poo.

Well I already have the forms and all the contract info, if people can get same day passports to make sure they don't miss their flight I think I can convince them to give it to me.

Camelmaster
Nov 18, 2003



I'm getting ready to deploy to somewhere in the middle east with SOF, and I've got to make up my mind about whether I'm reenlisting again while I'm out there. If I do end up getting out I'll have 9 years in the Marines with 6 years 0231 Intel analyst experience, with a 9 month deployment to Iraq and this upcoming deployment under my belt as well as extensive time in South Korea and Japan dealing with real world PACOM stuff.

I have worked collections, targeting (trained in conventional but never did it / operational experience with HVI targeting), social networking, link analysis, HA/DR support, conventional ground intelligence (North Korea), and done the regular COC intel watch officer billet. I have worked at an Intel Battalion, ran a Tank Battalion S-2 as well as worked in an Infantry Regiment S-2 and a Division G-2. Currently a SSgt/E-6, and by the time I get out in September 2013 I will either have my BS in Political Science or be within 15 credits.

Some of my friends got out and they are working at BAE doing FMV but their salary doesn't seem that incredible, I think it's around the $70k range in the Quantico, VA area. They already told me they can get me a job there if I get out, but I would like to set my sights a little higher. As a SNCO I'm really pretty comfortable, but the big driver behind my desire to get out is a lot of my peers are idiots and I know my opinions and analysis would be valued far more in the civilian sector - not to mention the compensation is much better. I would love to get some advice from people that "made it" on the outside.

Camelmaster fucked around with this message at Aug 5, 2011 around 03:29

BexGu
Jan 9, 2004

This fucking day....

Rrail posted:

Good to know. My buddy was describing how they encourage their junior people (he's considered a "Senior Consultant" though), to try to generate new contracts and new business for the company. That seems right up my alley. I want to go back to college but people aren't making it easy for me.

Ha ha, yeah....its one of Booz secret to success. I'm a Associate Software Developer (one level above your friend) for them and constantly do stuff outside of just programming like give interviews, give brown bags, and help on proposals. Booz is not a company to work for if all you want to do is put your head down and do one thing, but pretty great otherwise in not pigeon holing people into positions.

We are also in a hiring kick right now since we went public.

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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That's awesome. What kind of incentive is given for generating new business or helping on proposals or whatever?

Camelmaster posted:

Some of my friends got out and they are working at BAE doing FMV but their salary doesn't seem that incredible, I think it's around the $70k range in the Quantico, VA area. They already told me they can get me a job there if I get out, but I would like to set my sights a little higher. As a SNCO I'm really pretty comfortable, but the big driver behind my desire to get out is a lot of my peers are idiots and I know my opinions and analysis would be valued far more in the civilian sector - not to mention the compensation is much better. I would love to get some advice from people that "made it" on the outside.

Taking $70k with your experience would be fraud against yourself.

Rrail fucked around with this message at Aug 5, 2011 around 14:23

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

A/T: ASK ME ABOUT AIRSOFT AND NOT LETTING GO

Are there recruiters for contractor jobs? Like if I was a computer network guy I could find a recruiter who would find jobs / create jobs/ etc. considering there's such a process with these sorts of jobs, do recruiters exist?

Camelmaster
Nov 18, 2003



Rrail posted:

That's awesome. What kind of incentive is given for generating new business or helping on proposals or whatever?


Taking $70k with your experience would be fraud against yourself.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I'm just a little worried about my lack of networking outside the military - I haven't heard of many people landing these awesome jobs I hear about simply by going to clearancejobs.com and shooting out resumes, although I'm sure it happens.

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Homie S
Aug 6, 2001

This is what it means

movax posted:



To contribute: sounds like you could apply for a state-side training position with one of the PMCs?

Just an aside, as federal agencies start to push a certain amount of people overseas, they are contracting instuctors for showing these guys how to operate in the high threat environment. They train federal agents stateside that eventually go abroad. This is a fairly new thing, but I could see it growing. FLETC actually does this, but in a very limited capacity, so it's getting contracted.

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