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FlyWhiteBoy posted:What percentage of a contract goes to the contractor versus the contracting company on average? I'm thinking of renegotiating soon and would like to have something to go off of. Thanks! They generally bill the government at 2.5x whatever your hourly rate comes out to be. Obviously you won't be paid hourly, but your salary does break down, and that's how they bill the government. So if you make 100k per year, that works out to be about $48/hour (assuming a 2,080 hour work year; obviously it is different if you are deployed). Which in turn means they bill the government $144/hour for you. That's just a general rule, nothing set in stone. Just to add, they bill the government at a certain rate that the company fixes in their contract proposal. They don't bill the government less if they're paying you less; you're just getting screwed, and they're the ones doing the screwing. Find out what experience level you fall into (generally, the government levels are: apprentice is 1-3 years, journeyman is 4-7, senior is 8+) and negotiate accordingly. And they can always bill that much more if you have a degree. DRONES CURE HAJI fucked around with this message at Jan 24, 2012 around 23:50 |
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Our Gay Apparel posted:They generally bill the government at 2.5x whatever your hourly rate comes out to be. Obviously you won't be paid hourly, but your salary does break down, and that's how they bill the government. So if you make 100k per year, that works out to be about $48/hour (assuming a 2,080 hour work year; obviously it is different if you are deployed). Which in turn means they bill the government $144/hour for you. That's just a general rule, nothing set in stone. 2.5x ratio seems accurate in my case as well. I just cant help but feel I should be getting a larger share of that. I wasn't aware that the company sets the amount in their proposal, I just figured it was a set amount by the DoD. Interesting.
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FlyWhiteBoy posted:2.5x ratio seems accurate in my case as well. I just cant help but feel I should be getting a larger share of that. I wasn't aware that the company sets the amount in their proposal, I just figured it was a set amount by the DoD. Interesting. Holy poo poo - 2.5X? I have cheap rates. There are a couple of caveats related to the question and response such as location (OCONUS/CONUS), contract type, etc. If the contract is Firm Fixed Price (FFP) then yeah, they are billing at a certain rate and paying you whatever - whether more or less their actual costs. This isn't the case if it is Cost Plus Fixed Fee (CPFF), Cost Plus Award Fee (CPAF), or any cost plus derivative because it is their cost plus the fee/profit only. At the contract closeout the company has to provide Incurred Cost Worksheets showing salaries, overhead, fringe, etc. If the costs are less, they pay the government back the delta. Also, not to complicate things, but keep in mind that if you are making $40/hr and the contract rate is $100.00/hr, that $100.00 has your fringe (vacation, sick time, 401K, bonus), Overhead, and G&A (paper, rent, lights, etc) and sometimes the profit built in to the rate. This is called a "loaded labor rate". These costs (G&A, OH, Fringe) are added as a percentage to the labor pool of every employee. The only way to accurately answer your question is to see the labor cost breakdown in the proposal. You might also want to see if your company has any GSA rates published.
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Relevant:quote:Hello:
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Diplomaticus posted:Relevant: Totally going for this, can't wait to be told that I'm qualified but not the most qualified. I'm a battered wife.
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Vasudus posted:Totally going for this, can't wait to be told that I'm qualified but not the most qualified. I'm a battered wife. Yes, but you're a veteran so you stand approximately a 10000% better chance than anyone else of getting a phonecall.
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I don't get the hate for Bagram, it's not that bad other than traffic on Disney. Single occupancy wet CHU, life is pretty sweet. As soon as this non compete bullshit goes away it'll be a great year.
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Pudgygiant posted:Anybody who has heard of JPI, or is thinking about applying with them, or is thinking about contracting IT support from them, stay the gently caress away. I made more money today doing on the side IT work for soldiers than I have in a month, and they overcharge out the rear end for pretty much everything. Getting the hell out of this company as soon as I can.
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Diplomaticus posted:Relevant: So, basically the same job I am doing now, except for about $50K less, with shorter vacations, and less benefits? wow, sign me the gently caress up.
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| # ? Feb 3, 2012 10:33 |
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Contracting has good benefits? Every job I've seen was like "TONS OF MONEY!!!*" *Get you own benefits you commie douche.
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psydude posted:Contracting has good benefits? Every job I've seen was like "TONS OF MONEY!!!*" yeah, I get health, vision, dental, 5% matching 401k, it is pretty sweet, if only the job itself wasn't crap.
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freshmeat.popsicle posted:I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but I've already worked with Triple Canopy. For those of you looking to do it, go for it. It's good money for the amount of work you'll be doing. That being said, I don't recommend that company or any other PMC as large as they are because of how they operated. Not defending Triple Canopy but trying to compare your experience doing static in Kuwait to dudes applying to be mobile on Triple Canopy's flagship program is like trying to compare throwing bags for Delta to being a pilot on their international runs.
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psydude posted:Contracting has good benefits? Every job I've seen was like "TONS OF MONEY!!!*" It depends. Most of the big companies offer benefits. I work for GD, and mine are great. But if you're just doing a 1 year contract with nothing follow on, some companies don't give them (I think). And I think it's more common in PSCs to not offer benefits. Intel, they usually do.
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I work for a PSC and I get great, worldwide health insurance for $40 a month. There's retirement type stuff too but I don't participate.
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Rrail get out of my internet games please, thanks in advance.  You're my favorite poster.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 03:23 |
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Lol @ unironic racism comment
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 03:37 |
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I take goon hatred to be a compliment, honestly. If they like you, odds are you are a loser. Being what they despise means I have succeeded at life.
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Tell me how a civilian with zero military training can become a mercenary.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 04:39 |
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E.Nigma posted:Tell me how a civilian with zero military training can become a mercenary. Pay
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 09:34 |
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Don't even think they still do that man. You'll probably ride bench for a long time.
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Rrail posted:Don't even think they still do that man. You'll probably ride bench for a long time. Is it bad that after this contract is up, I actually WANT to ride the bench? 25% of contract fee just to sit at home most of the year sounds like the best kind of semi retirement. 420 retire at 30 erry day
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Rrail posted:I take goon hatred to be a compliment, honestly. If they like you, odds are you are a loser. Being what they despise means I have succeeded at life. I'm popular in TFR, should I kill myself?
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Old Crows posted:Just keep in mind the flip side is that budget cuts and contract competitions can end that. As funds are cut the USG looks for cheaper ways of doing business. This allows companies to come in (if the contract is competed) and severely undercut prices in hopes for a win. One of the slots in our building the guy was getting paid $65K/yr. The contract was recompeted, lowest bidder won, the guy was offered $35K to keep his job. With cuts coming, anybody else see this happening with a lot of frequency?
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Quick note for everyone: My friend (intel analyst) just got offered 240k in Afghanistan, and a co-worker (intel analyst) got offered 280k. Money is decent there now on the ISS-A/C-IED contracts. It formerly was not, on many of the contracts.Flanker posted:I'm popular in TFR, should I kill myself? Actually yes. But threads have gotten gassed for ripping on TFR's ridiculousness before, so I'll avoid that. I'm guessing it's not surprising you are well liked, since it's the same as a kid obsessed with COD4 meeting a real army man. ReverendCode posted:Is it bad that after this contract is up, I actually WANT to ride the bench? 25% of contract fee just to sit at home most of the year sounds like the best kind of semi retirement. That would be like $100 a day for you, right? I got that prior to coming over as a retainer. All the people stuck at home right now aren't getting poo poo, though, which is pretty funny/really awful. Oh, are you guys suffering from the crippling visa issues right now, too? Or is that Baghdad only? I don't know what your APOD is doing. Turns out a country will get mad at you if you occupy them for like 9 years and murder their citizens. TCD posted:With cuts coming, anybody else see this happening with a lot of frequency? Absolutely. It's already been happening, and will continue. Some contracts that take quality of service into more account than just price point will be fine. Those that are doing intel contracting will likely be fine, as well, since the industry is so large your salary is set by the competition, not by the contracts willingness to lowball. I can't intelligently speak to contracts outside my industry. However, PSC's have been continuing to lower average shooter pay, because they realized these guys have this or Burger King. If you're well qualified (JSOC/Seal/SF type) Blackwater has that "Special Projects" division that you can go to, and they compensate appropriately. Also Triple Canopy is hiring those types as "Mobile Security Officers". Check TripleCanopy.com for that, it's something to do with Olson-Hunter, should be on their front page. Requires a TS/SCI though. Rrail fucked around with this message at Feb 5, 2012 around 22:28 |
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Rrail posted:
Dammit, I thought it was because I was a likeable, funny guy. Thanks for shedding light on this important issue. Seriously though.. Anyone hiring Canadians? I have a pretty solid infantry and intel resume. But I can't apply for contracts that originate from DOS or DOD because no one can 'terk er jerbs' from real Muricans. Anyone know any companies from the UK or elsewhere I can look at?
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Try Aegis, GardaWorld (maybe?)... Any of the non-tier 1 supporting DoS/OSC-I will hire them.
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What is this poo poo about SPOT being down? I've met a couple brand new guys in the last couple days that got their LOAs within the last week, but my higher-up contacts at some of the major satcom players are all still telling me SPOT is down right now. It's nice to get paid to sit around and wait on an LOA, don't get me wrong, but I sure would like to do my fuckin job and stop living out of a bag.
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Is any actual real experience or skill required for a contractor position (other than bullet sponge for xE/Triple Canopy), or is the entire industry the single greatest scam in the history of the United States?
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What kind of retarded question is that? A lot of guys in this very thread have been rejected from PSC's for not having the requisite experience or meeting the requirements. I have the equivalent of nearly 9 years of all source experience and can't get hired on to some intel contracts because I'm not competitive against the guys that have 15 years. I have had a friend with a degree and 8 years trying for a year now to get over here and they haven't been able to do so. So yes, real experience is absolutely required for the real jobs. Rrail fucked around with this message at Feb 6, 2012 around 03:49 |
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Fair enough, I suppose. Although I will say that while I have no problem with contractors and will probably wind up as one for my next job, it really says something about the real powers that be when a former enlisted intel analyst with 10 or so years of experience can earn more than twice that of a deployed O5 intel officer with a PhD and 23 years of experience. And that's to mention nothing of the fact that the company itself is actually billing the government for 2.5 times the salary.
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A couple things on that, since you specified intel: A) They are paying for a subject matter expert. The military deems it appropriate to drive out all quality intel analysts through poor compensation and a poor lifestyle. They absolutely know this is a problem, they know how to fix the problems, and they choose not to. They have clearly deemed it cheaper to pay for contracted analysts and civilians to do the actual thinking work than to retain their own people capable of doing it outside of TF's. You bring up the case of a 20+ year person, but the military rewards something of a "loser mentality" - in turn, those that stay in are not generally the best and the brightest. B) They are paying for the ability to fire people. In the case of intel people, if someone blows at their job, the customer can say "annnnnnd you're done." You don't have to continue to suffer with that person and try to make it work the way the military does. The customer has a huge amount of power (though they often don't realize it) and can punt contractors for poor performance, no questions asked. And when the contract shuts down, these people aren't still employed and thus being paid - they just cut all the contractors. While I don't necessarily buy into the "it's cheaper!" mentality that I've seen people put forth about contractors, it is a necessity. The military has made their environment toxic to people with self-respect and a sense of individualism. The system you find "hosed up" has been directly created by the officers in it. I could not feel less sympathy for that O-5 you mentioned, since it is that level of officer that has helped create that problem. I also don't feel bad for him because he has the choice to leave whenever he wants and put away 200k+ doing a 4 month home/4 month gone rotation with Lockheed. Rrail fucked around with this message at Feb 6, 2012 around 06:40 |
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Rrail posted:Quick note for everyone: My friend (intel analyst) just got offered 240k in Afghanistan, and a co-worker (intel analyst) got offered 280k. Money is decent there now on the ISS-A/C-IED contracts. It formerly was not, on many of the contracts. Yeah, it works out to around $650 a week retainer. And right now Visa's are being blocked Country wide, it is awesome, since in order to make up the shortfall they are offering $500 a day in addition to our regular pay for anyone who wants to extend through their leave. Problem is now they are saying that rather than shifting your leave to the right, you are giving it up all together, so they can cheerfully eat a dick until that changes. Still, getting paid, life owns.
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Make sure to post in GBS about how you are earning at the rate necessary to be in the 1% as a mercenary.
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Rrail posted:Make sure to post in GBS about how you are earning at the rate necessary to be in the 1% as a mercenary. you know, if I ever decide to get myself banned I will do that, though it isn't actually enough to make it to the 1% on it's own. Now when I take the fact that of my 100+k a year, I will be banking well over 60-70K, and can then turn that liquid asset into a profitable enterprise, then I can truly say I made my millions on the backs of (the state department) suffering Iraqi's or something.
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My mental math was a little off, you will come up like 40k short of the 1% if you sat there for a year at $900 a day. I don't expect the visa issue to end anytime soon, so as of right now, you are looking at months of good money. I am impressed with that $500 a day bonus for PSS guys though, that shows that your company actually has some business sense and is taking personnel retention seriously. How the gently caress are you spending 30-40k a year while stuck in Basrah? Furthermore, how are you ending up with only 70k in the bank or whatever? I expect to end up with around 190k (before incorporating bonuses, probably closer to 350k if this thing doesn't let up, I haven't closely examined how Obama's socialist taxes will just ravage the money past 250k) and that's including me spending like 3k a week when I was home on vacation last. Are you really just living it up on vacations or something? Or do you have bills back home? I dumped all my bills when I left, if you can do the same it is delightful to be this care-free. Rrail fucked around with this message at Feb 6, 2012 around 22:23 |
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psydude posted:Is any actual real experience or skill required for a contractor position (other than bullet sponge for xE/Triple Canopy), or is the entire industry the single greatest scam in the history of the United States? Yeah uh what the hell? Be in the Army longer. Deploy. Work with actual soldiers, and work with contractors. You'll see the difference firsthand. There's a reason when important and valuable poo poo comes up (like RFIs), it's given to contractors. For the most part, soldiers quite simply are incompetent. Those who aren't, get out. The incompetent ones stay in, and continue the cycle. Also, I timed my deployment perfectly. I got both of my company's months with 3 pay periods during it. Gonna get like 30k each of those months alone 
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Our Gay Apparel posted:Also, I timed my deployment perfectly. I got both of my company's months with pay periods during it. Gonna get like 30k each of those months alone Where did you end up? How are the living conditions?
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Rrail posted:Where did you end up? How are the living conditions? Bastion. They're loving great. Wet CHUs and all. Better than anything I ever had in Iraq. Psydude, just for context, remember how you were bitching about those retards in BOLC? I promise you, those guys are miles more competent than your typical soldier. On the whole, the army just doesn't exactly attract the best and brightest. And they most certainly don't keep them around.
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Our Gay Apparel posted:Bastion. They're loving great. Wet CHUs and all. Better than anything I ever had in Iraq. What is a wet CHU? I assume it means it has a bathroom or some poo poo but in my head I'm picturing a bitchen room filled with water and you float around in it all day.
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Our Gay Apparel posted:Bastion. They're loving great. Wet CHUs and all. Better than anything I ever had in Iraq. Nice. When this ship inevitably sinks and I have to evac out of here, if I don't get into any choice schools can I come work with you?
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