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Drudge_Skeletons
Jun 1, 2011

by T. Finn


thanks op for the concise list of companies that make me lose my faith in humanity

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Flanker
Sep 10, 2002

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Drudge_Skeletons posted:

thanks op for the concise list of companies that make me lose my faith in humanity

Explain.

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Flanker posted:

Explain.

They are the machines to rage against, bro.

Flanker
Sep 10, 2002

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Helldump Immunity posted:

They are the machines to rage against, bro.

Ohh, you mean like those machines that kept time traveling to kill my mom? Those are so loving annoying.

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Say what you want, but Cyberdyne had good benefits

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

A/T: ASK ME ABOUT AIRSOFT AND NOT LETTING GO

If I sign a COL, all that says is yeah I'd like to work there. If another company comes along with a better offer I can do that until I actually get 'employed' right?

Drudge_Skeletons
Jun 1, 2011

by T. Finn


Flanker posted:

Explain.

i shoulda never had faith to begin with, ur right. Blackwater needs to change it's name to Xe and then again to something innocuous because they are an organization of pure evil. if these ruthless morons weren't in Iraq, there would have been 1/2 the civilian deaths. anytime i hear the US is going to use MOTHERFUCKING MERC ARMIES INSTEAD OF THE GODDAMN US ARMED FORCES I WANT TO RIP MY loving HEAD OFF let's give lots more tax money to companies like these so they can keep loving the american people up the rear end.

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Drudge_Skeletons
Jun 1, 2011

by T. Finn


it's the final over-extension of imperialism to use mercenary armies in foreign wars of imperialist aggression. we never had to use these merc armies, but now they won't go away. because of pay, the military elite quit the military to join them!!

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

A/T: ASK ME ABOUT AIRSOFT AND NOT LETTING GO

Drudge_Skeletons posted:

i shoulda never had faith to begin with, ur right. Blackwater needs to change it's name to Xe and then again to something innocuous because they are an organization of pure evil. if these ruthless morons weren't in Iraq, there would have been 1/2 the civilian deaths. anytime i hear the US is going to use MOTHERFUCKING MERC ARMIES INSTEAD OF THE GODDAMN US ARMED FORCES I WANT TO RIP MY loving HEAD OFF let's give lots more tax money to companies like these so they can keep loving the american people up the rear end.

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Drudge_Skeletons
Jun 1, 2011

by T. Finn


then you have like Halliburton and Lockheed which have always been there, but these guys just have giant bloated contracts that build lots of worthless stuff and it's a big game of pay the republican party more money. It's shady politics that result in over-sized contracts and it's white collar crimes, but it's bound to imperialism as well. making profit on a politics of war

Drudge_Skeletons
Jun 1, 2011

by T. Finn


Elendil004 posted:

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

p sure this is gibbis

Drudge_Skeletons
Jun 1, 2011

by T. Finn


whoops i mean KBR, let's keep it right

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

A/T: ASK ME ABOUT AIRSOFT AND NOT LETTING GO

Go range in D&D dude, not here. This is not the place to rage again the machine...this is a place to get a job as part of the machine.

Drudge_Skeletons
Jun 1, 2011

by T. Finn


yeah yeah yeah... i was explaining

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Drudge_Skeletons posted:

because of pay, the military elite quit the military to join them!!

I'm pretty flattered by this

edit:

Elendil, I still need to look at your resume. I haven't forgotten, I'm just a lovely person.

Drudge_Skeletons
Jun 1, 2011

by T. Finn


why are you a blackwater exec?

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

A/T: ASK ME ABOUT AIRSOFT AND NOT LETTING GO

Drudge_Skeletons posted:

why are you a blackwater exec?

I wish!

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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Hey Drudge or w/e take it to GBS where people may actually give a poo poo about your childlike worldview. I don't.

Elendil004 posted:

If I sign a COL, all that says is yeah I'd like to work there. If another company comes along with a better offer I can do that until I actually get 'employed' right?

Assuming you mean "Letter of Intent", correct. None of these companies are taking you to court to enforce anything either, so don't stress too much.

Rrail fucked around with this message at Sep 27, 2011 around 05:36

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

A/T: ASK ME ABOUT AIRSOFT AND NOT LETTING GO

Rrail posted:

Hey Drudge or w/e take it to GBS where people may actually give a poo poo about your childlike worldview. I don't.

Yo answer my question, it pertains directly to you.

Edit:sweet. It's your company, if anything you should stress that referral cheddar

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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And of course I am, because that money will pay for my apartment in Colombia for the month I'm there! You are a hero, don't let any LOLBERALS tell you otherwise.

Edit: Is it an FI position? You will literally live within 30 feet of me in the same hallway.

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

A/T: ASK ME ABOUT AIRSOFT AND NOT LETTING GO

Rrail posted:

And of course I am, because that money will pay for my apartment in Colombia for the month I'm there! You are a hero, don't let any LOLBERALS tell you otherwise.

Edit: Is it an FI position? You will literally live within 30 feet of me in the same hallway.

Yeah I believe so. Still lots to do before I'm there though.

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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Elendil004 posted:

Yeah I believe so. Still lots to do before I'm there though.

Well you already missed Security Contractor Appreciation Day and your chance to get a picture with a Bearcat (this was a real thing) so it's probably not even worth coming out for anymroe to be quite honest bro.

Drudge_Skeletons
Jun 1, 2011

by T. Finn


Rrail posted:

Hey Drudge or w/e take it to GBS where people may actually give a poo poo about your childlike worldview. I don't.


i came to win to fight to conquer to thrive i came to win to survive to prosper to rise

to flyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Drudge_Skeletons
Jun 1, 2011

by T. Finn


if you think you need to make more than 100k a year then you are greedy, if you make more than 100k a year by war profiteering then you are evil

Drudge_Skeletons
Jun 1, 2011

by T. Finn


Elendil004 posted:

I wish!

you are despicable

deadly potato
Jun 17, 2005


Pudgygiant posted:

Option 1: Jr Network Admin in McMurdo, Antarctica
Option B: ADPE in Afghanistan

7 months on 5 months off tax free decent pay vs 12 month contract paid like a Saudi prince with 8 weeks paid vacation 96.5k tax free. Hot as gently caress vs cold as gently caress. Liquor store vs weekly 2 liters of "ginger ale".

This is definitely not the worst choice to have, given the economy right now.


Sorry dude, McMurdo/Antarctica is basically US territory in the eyes of the IRS, so no tax free goodness here.

Unless you are at a field camp, you will not be cold as gently caress.

3 bars, 2 at McMurdo, and 1 at Kiwi Scott Base.

McMurdo an orgy? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....oh..good one.


I don't know what your contract for McMurdo is (Raytheon? SOPP?) but if you don't mind the pay cut, we have a more relaxed schedule, and you may just end up seeing stuff %99.9 of the world never will beyond BBC TV specials. for instance last summer I saw a pod of 9 Orca whales hunt seals a whole 10 min walk from base.

Ive been here 14 months and love it. Of course we have had Iraq/Afghan contractors come here and flee on the next available flight.

deadly potato fucked around with this message at Sep 27, 2011 around 06:39

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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Drudge_Skeletons posted:

if you think you need to make more than 100k a year then you are greedy, if you make more than 100k a year by war profiteering then you are evil

Thanks for the reminder. Everyone, the first post past the OP has been updated with the confirmed offers/salaries we have received so far. Please send what you are getting as far as offers to me, I will keep everything confidential. It's nice to be able to show goons what they can gain by leaving the military in the form of cash money, and helps people target the right companies.

deadly potato posted:

McMurdo an orgy? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....oh..good one.

Huh, everything I've ever read has said the opposite. Well that kind of sucks.

deadly potato posted:

Ive been here 14 months and love it. Of course we have had Iraq/Afghan contractors come here and flee on the next available flight.

What was the reason?

Rrail fucked around with this message at Sep 27, 2011 around 08:12

DRONES CURE HAJI
Jun 22, 2005

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Drudge_Skeletons posted:

if you think you need to make more than 100k a year then you are greedy, if you make more than 100k a year by war profiteering then you are evil

if this is true then i am evil as gently caress

also i was military elite

deadly potato
Jun 17, 2005


Rrail posted:


Huh, everything I've ever read has said the opposite. Well that kind of sucks.


What was the reason?

Oh, don't get me wrong, there is a lot of dating, relationships, and sex down here but nothing you wouldn't find in a college dorm. I think most of the stories pop up because in a search for privacy, some couples will do it in survival shelters, saunas, laundry rooms, and such. Also the whole jello wrestling thing which go blown outa proportion.

As to why some people leave, its a bunch of reasons. I'm not military , nor have I been to Iraq/Afghanistan but apparently in addition to more money you get more personal perks. One of the girls in my supply department did not like the conditions, saying she liked it better in Iraq and left. I think she had her own room and internet there, while here she had 3 room mates and a public kiosk.

Internet here is censored, you are technically not allowed to stream any media and you can't get the net in your room. There is wireless, but only scientists get it.

ANYTHING that uses p2p sharing will get you a red flag from IT, legit or no.

Scientists don't have to follow the rules contractors do.

Fresh goods like fruit are extremely limited and only come in when the C-17s can make it. People apparently freak out if they cant have a banana.

Housing wise you can have anywhere from 2 to 4 room mates but I would think contractors from the war zone contracts would be used to this.

No over time.

I also think a lot of it boils down to lower pay and bullshit overload. Like safety is supposedly priority one down here but only the easily fixed problems are delt with while the complex ones are ignored.

Its all personal preference I guess, but after hearing about stuff people got in the war zones, I kinda want to snag an Iraq or Afghanistan contract now just so I can compare.

Fun Fact: Many of the people who failed the psych exam for the winter season this year went to Afghanistan.

If you want some pay/hours base lines.

Basic IT is around 8-900 a week
Supply (my job) is around 550 start with seniors around 750 start a week
Firefighters 1060 a week

I'm sure there is higher pay in places like satcom and what not, but these are what I know.

we work 6 days a week, 9 hours a day, and get 2 days off for new years, Christmas, and Thanksgiving.

DRONES CURE HAJI
Jun 22, 2005

free rrail


Holy poo poo that is not "pay cut" that is like less than E-4 money. Antarctica is cool and all but poo poo

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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deadly potato posted:

Housing wise you can have anywhere from 2 to 4 room mates but I would think contractors from the war zone contracts would be used to this.

Basic IT is around 8-900 a week
Supply (my job) is around 550 start with seniors around 750 start a week
Firefighters 1060 a week

I never lived with more than one roommate - I think that is the DoD standard for contractors.

Also holy poo poo that is a really rough deal, salary wise.

Rrail fucked around with this message at Sep 27, 2011 around 12:28

ReverendCode
Nov 30, 2008


Rrail posted:

I never lived with more than one roommate - I think that is the DoD standard for contractors.

Also holy poo poo that is a really rough deal, salary wise.

at first I was thinking that was a pretty sweet deal, even with the hardship, then I saw you wrote "week" and not "day" and no thanks bro

deadly potato
Jun 17, 2005


Yup, Antarctica is basically a normal stateside job but on another planet. Maybe if they find Al Queda down here I can get a pay raise. Still, sitting in my office watching penquins run by is pretty cool.

Myself and some other supply peeps heard DynCorp is on a massive hiring spree for pretty much everything. I might try my luck there since I leave the ice in 2 weeks.

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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Pretty sure DynCorp is just building a secret army to conquer half of Africa.

Square Pair
Mar 16, 2011



deadly potato posted:



Wow. I wouldn't even compare that to stateside - as stateside folks would get more and the only hardship is the long lines at Wal-Mart. Is the pay you quoted base or full? Meaning do you get any hardship differential or anything? Tax breaks? There has to be some type of benefit besides penguins.

On a side note, my company is sponsoring a University of Georgia (UGA) research trip to Antarctica this summer. 10 days or so of college kids running around. Not sure what station they are going to.

iceslice
May 20, 2005


deadly potato posted:

Still, sitting in my office watching penquins run by is pretty cool.

Pretty sure this is the dream job is anyone currently between 9 and 11 years old. I wouldn't get anything done, I'd just watch penguins all day.

deadly potato
Jun 17, 2005


Square Pair posted:

Wow. I wouldn't even compare that to stateside - as stateside folks would get more and the only hardship is the long lines at Wal-Mart. Is the pay you quoted base or full? Meaning do you get any hardship differential or anything? Tax breaks? There has to be some type of benefit besides penguins.

On a side note, my company is sponsoring a University of Georgia (UGA) research trip to Antarctica this summer. 10 days or so of college kids running around. Not sure what station they are going to.

Yes, those are basic first year contract rates for those jobs. The more skilled you are labor wise the more you get. Booze is cheap and there are a lot of fun parties. People tend to like the small town feel. There is a 20% completion bonus and a nice travel package when you leave. Lots of time for snow sports on the weekend and outdoor stuff. A lot of people here will come down for the summer (6-7 months), pull in about 20-30k (more if they are skilled labor), and then fly home to other seasonal contracts in the states (mostly Alaska). Others will take the pay and go on travel sprees until they return. Winter contracts get you your own room, wireless, less oversight, and more days off. If you work here 30 years the NSF names and Island after you. Also from talking to the former military/contractors, a lot of them like to de-compress here.



Pay is all over the board here really, so depending on who contracted you, and what your skill set is you might find it ok. We do have a pretty high employee retention rate so a lot of people find something here they like.

Dunno what those kids are going to do in 10 days, a bad storm can last that long here.

deadly potato fucked around with this message at Sep 28, 2011 around 04:31

ManMythLegend
Aug 18, 2003

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Square Pair posted:

Read my PM - if you have a funding source and 'supportive' contracting officer - it's pretty quick and easy if you stay below certain thresholds. As a small company you want to fly under the radar from the big fish. There is no way you can compete unless it is a small business set-aside (and even then the fuckers find small businesses to front for them). They'll literally buy the contract taking a loss just to hire your people and watch you fold.

If your american indian - lot of opportunities.
Disabled vet >40% good to go.
Everyone else is a cost shootout.

I may be an idiot who has stayed on past my initial obligation, but if this PM has information about setting up a start up I would be curious to see it if you don't mind. I don't have PM's but my email is manmythlegend20 at yahoo.

volkadav
Jan 1, 2008


Anyone have any insight as to what the overseas deployed field is like for IT people? About six years ago I got pinged for a sort of combo sys/net admin / field engineer / programmer position in Baghdad but I wasn't really in a place to go (had just started a new full time job, was working on finishing my BSc); I've always sort of wondered about what might have been I suppose. These days I'm more into development than admin, not sure how common that is for stations abroad though.

This more an idle curiosity post than anything else. vv

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Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

Whenever I hit "r" in my address bar, Raine Dog comes up. Goddammit.


I have a phone interview with Boeing (and since they sent me a conference call access #, I'm sure they're not jerking me around THIS time!) Tuesday for a Geospatial position. Can anyone give me tips on what kind of questions to expect?

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