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Colonel J
Jan 3, 2008


Glass Eater posted:

Zfg1 just beat Ocarina of Time in 35:15 on his first completion with the new skip. Including beating Ganon as child link. Fun stuff. http://www.twitch.tv/zfg1 in case he does some more.

Fun fact: It's faster than the current TAS

He thinks sub-20 is possible.

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Dr. Stab
Sep 12, 2010


HKR posted:

these cheaters are shameless

Even worse, everyone's gonna steal his route now.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when people are summoning you all over the place to "be their friend".



Glass Eater posted:

Zfg1 just beat Ocarina of Time in 35:15 on his first completion with the new skip. Including beating Ganon as child link. Fun stuff. http://www.twitch.tv/zfg1 in case he does some more.

Fun fact: It's faster than the current TAS

I don't know whether or is more appropriate for what I just saw.

take_it_slow
Jul 7, 2011


26:28 in OoT by Zfg, with what he guesses are about 3 minutes that can immediately be shaved off simply through better playing, let alone what new strategies could shave off. Will we see a sub-20 run by next week?

Edit: down to 25:48 now.
Edit: 23:29. And we now enter the phase where every 5 second mistake is a reset.

take_it_slow fucked around with this message at Apr 14, 2012 around 21:26

Colonel J
Jan 3, 2008


ZFG1 just beat his OOT any% record again, with a whopping 26:27, and there's still room for improvement!

Dr. Dos
Aug 5, 2005

YAAAAAAAY!

next marathon Cosmo needs to do his usual wonderful MST run but then also do a 20 minute run because that just sounds hilarious. His OoT run gets so many people that don't really follow speedrunning at all to watch that are amazed by any sequence break (not just in how flawlessly he performs, but just that it's even a thing in the game at all) that I would love to see some minds shatter.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 9, 2007

Remind me to work out until I also am buff and have to keep a pillow in front of my okay I'll be honest this is like the 50th custom title I've done tonight and I'm just phoning it in now.

Dr. Dos posted:

next marathon Cosmo needs to do his usual wonderful MST run but then also do a 20 minute run because that just sounds hilarious. His OoT run gets so many people that don't really follow speedrunning at all to watch that are amazed by any sequence break (not just in how flawlessly he performs, but just that it's even a thing in the game at all) that I would love to see some minds shatter.

It goes without saying that someone will do an any% run next marathon. The funny thing is that everyone expected the huge thing to be Ganonless strategy with pedo Link. Now Ganon is back in.

Violen
Jul 25, 2009

Well obviously it did happen in the end, but this was not pleasant...


I'd almost prefer them to make some big pomp and circumstance about an MST run but when it rolls up just have him quietly do the new any% instead.

Dr. Dos
Aug 5, 2005

YAAAAAAAY!

Have him do both in a row because as great as a fakeout would be, OoT raises massive amounts of money.

Dr. Stab
Sep 12, 2010


Violen posted:

I'd almost prefer them to make some big pomp and circumstance about an MST run but when it rolls up just have him quietly do the new any% instead.

"So there's a new route for MST. It's actually faster to do Deku tree first. Oh whoops, I died on Gohma. Let me go back and get that blue warp. Oh now I'm in Ganon's castle. How did that happen?"

Shadow Ninja 64
May 21, 2007

"I stood there, wondering why the puck was getting bigger...

and then it hit me."


gently caress it, do all three: MST, Ganonless, and new child hero thing.

Dr. Stab
Sep 12, 2010


Have a race:

1 MST versus 3 Ganonless versus 6 any%.

fleshweasel
Aug 23, 2004

Weasels Ripped My Flesh


So ZFG wrapped up tonight with a really sad freeze. I guess having boulders drop on you in the castle as a kid sometimes freezes the game. Still, he got 25:48 and that was with a few glaring mistakes. Pretty cool.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when people are summoning you all over the place to "be their friend".



Dr. Stab posted:

"So there's a new route for MST. It's actually faster to do Deku tree first. Oh whoops, I died on Gohma. Let me go back and get that blue warp. Oh now I'm in Ganon's castle. How did that happen?"

This is actually something I could see Cosmo doing, too, and it would be magical.

Umberger
Jan 24, 2010


There's a YouTube video of his 25:32 run up, if anyone missed him streaming.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 9, 2007

Remind me to work out until I also am buff and have to keep a pillow in front of my okay I'll be honest this is like the 50th custom title I've done tonight and I'm just phoning it in now.

I really really want Cosmo or ZFG to personally demonstrate just how badly OoT has been broken to Miyamoto and Aonuma. I'd love to know their thoughts on it.

yaoi prophet
Apr 9, 2007

"keep twisting junior all you get is clicks." - Barack HUSSEIN Obama, 2012


Honestly I bet they'd just be happy people are still finding new things in their game after all this time.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 9, 2007

Remind me to work out until I also am buff and have to keep a pillow in front of my okay I'll be honest this is like the 50th custom title I've done tonight and I'm just phoning it in now.

I like to think that one of those big 10k+ donations during the Speedrunning marathons is from one of them.

Eastwood
Dec 8, 2010



I remember there being a game developer donating during the Metroid Prime speedrun in last year's marathon. I think he commented with something like, "That's not how the game is supposed to be played ."

.TakaM
Oct 30, 2007



Having your game still hold together in spite of sequence breaks is something to be proud of I think.

Shadow Ninja 64
May 21, 2007

"I stood there, wondering why the puck was getting bigger...

and then it hit me."


Eastwood posted:

I remember there being a game developer donating during the Metroid Prime speedrun in last year's marathon. I think he commented with something like, "That's not how the game is supposed to be played ."

During this year's AGDQ Sonic Spinball got inserted into the schedule by donation incentive, and it just so happened that the project director (I think that was what he was) heard about, came in and donated. His message was something more along the lines of "Oh wow people still know about and play this game." The best part was that he one the big bundle of Sonic comics.

Sire Oblivion
Apr 22, 2008

Down the Rabbit Hole.


Shimrra Jamaane posted:

I really really want Cosmo or ZFG to personally demonstrate just how badly OoT has been broken to Miyamoto and Aonuma. I'd love to know their thoughts on it.

They wouldn't understand it and I can just imagine them laughing because they know that's not supposed to happen, but wouldn't understand since neither are programmers.

.TakaM posted:

Having your game still hold together in spite of sequence breaks is something to be proud of I think.

Except in Retro's case they fixed Prime 1 several times over in various rereleases for the sole purpose of stopping sequence breaking.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when people are summoning you all over the place to "be their friend".



Sva just knocked down ZFG's record and claims the throne with a 23:09.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004



Is there a community that only does speed runs without ANY exploits? Like just play the game the way it was designed as fast as possible? Most of the runs I've watched over the years exploit some bug that makes the gameplay really boring to watch.

Dr. Dos
Aug 5, 2005

YAAAAAAAY!

Twin Galaxies doesn't allow glitches I believe.

flatluigi
Apr 22, 2008

here come the planes


The problem with "not allowing glitches or bugs" is that it's a really goddamn huge grey area.

Shadow Ninja 64
May 21, 2007

"I stood there, wondering why the puck was getting bigger...

and then it hit me."


Kyrosiris posted:

Sva just knocked down ZFG's record and claims the throne with a 23:09.

It would appear Cosmo has one-upped this with 22:56 http://www.twitch.tv/cosmowright

Crotch Bat
Dec 6, 2003

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My understanding of Twin Galaxies is they're how your parents would attempt to speed run a game. Perish the thought of exploiting game mechanics.

HKR
Jan 13, 2006



After Chasing Ghosts and The King of Kong I can't take Twin Galaxies seriously at all.

Also there are plenty of speed runs on SDA that are glitchless simply because the game doesn't have glitches to exploit for time.

flatluigi
Apr 22, 2008

here come the planes


Glitches can be fun as hell, too. I love creative sequence breaking and OoB tricks. I also picked up flying from the Psychonauts speedrun and loved every second of trying it myself (pchoo)

scrooger
Feb 26, 2006


SDA was built on speedrunning quake which would have been a million times more boring if bunny hopping didn't exist.

Shadow Ninja 64
May 21, 2007

"I stood there, wondering why the puck was getting bigger...

and then it hit me."


Shadow Ninja 64 posted:

It would appear Cosmo has one-upped this with 22:56 http://www.twitch.tv/cosmowright

Right now Cosmo is teaching siglemic the process of doing the new OoT route. He taught him the Gohma fight double KO, and now they're doing the movement into the edge of the warp and using Ocarina Items to play a bottle like an ocarina.

Crotch Bat
Dec 6, 2003

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Shadow Ninja 64 posted:

He taught him the Gohma fight double KO, and now they're doing the movement into the edge of the warp and using Ocarina Items to play a bottle like an ocarina.

I love how this sentence gets crazier and crazier. They've just so broken this game beyond anything I've ever seen.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when people are summoning you all over the place to "be their friend".



What, you never used bottles to play music as a kid?

Shadow Ninja 64
May 21, 2007

"I stood there, wondering why the puck was getting bigger...

and then it hit me."


ZFG got a 22:43 earlier. I wonder just how low this time can go.

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007



But you can't get the final blow on Ganon if you use the Biggoron's Sword, so how in the gently caress is he pulling it off with the Deku Sword? I can't even wrap my mind around this crazy poo poo.

King of Solomon
Oct 23, 2008



YggiDee posted:

But you can't get the final blow on Ganon if you use the Biggoron's Sword, so how in the gently caress is he pulling it off with the Deku Sword? I can't even wrap my mind around this crazy poo poo.

For whatever reason, even as Child Link, when you pick up the Master Sword after the first round, you receive and equip the Master Sword. So despite the fact that Child Link's model is using the Kokiri Sword, Link himself is actually using the Master Sword.

The Worst Muslim
Sep 2, 2011

~Foreskin is like a hijab for the penis~


I'm looking for speedruns where they absolutely break the poo poo out of the game. Stuff like the Super Mario Brothers Game Boy speed-run I watched a while back where the guy literally fell into the games code.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when people are summoning you all over the place to "be their friend".



The Worst Muslim posted:

I'm looking for speedruns where they absolutely break the poo poo out of the game. Stuff like the Super Mario Brothers Game Boy speed-run I watched a while back where the guy literally fell into the games code.

My absolute favorite run in this vein is the TAS of NES Mega Man. The sounds the game makes almost sounds like it's begging for the release of death.

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Umberger
Jan 24, 2010


The Worst Muslim posted:

I'm looking for speedruns where they absolutely break the poo poo out of the game. Stuff like the Super Mario Brothers Game Boy speed-run I watched a while back where the guy literally fell into the games code.

It's a TAS, but this "speedrun" is hilarious.

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