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 Voting C. The enemy will crash like waves against our walls.
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ZearothK posted:To be fair the main reason why the Central/South Americans didn't have a chance at modernising is that the Spanish conquered them in a heartbeat. Since they had actual states as opposed to tribes they'd have a better chance at modernising if they weren't annexed. If they kept going west they'd hit Europe.
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Oct 2, 2011 17:30
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Once the voting is done on these NI decisions, I'd be interested to know which you'd have picked, Wiz.
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Oct 2, 2011 17:34
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ZearothK posted:To be fair the main reason why the Central/South Americans didn't have a chance at modernising is that the Spanish conquered them in a heartbeat. Since they had actual states as opposed to tribes they'd have a better chance at modernising if they weren't annexed. Yes, but the AI is unable to conquer the South/Central Americans in a heartbeat without reintroducing annex=yes, so I'm doing this to achieve a 'historical' outcome most games.
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Oct 2, 2011 17:57
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ZearothK posted:To be fair the main reason why the Central/South Americans didn't have a chance at modernising is that the Spanish conquered them in a heartbeat. Since they had actual states as opposed to tribes they'd have a better chance at modernising if they weren't annexed. The Spanish arrived during a sucession crisis, seasoned by Chanca and Wanka revolts. The fall of the Inca empire was pretty quick because the spaniards had the support of many tribes and lesse states and the capture of the Inca Atahualpa was done in an ambush with superior weapons. Also, Atahualpa was a dick who didn't listened to his generals and didn't squished the spanish during the crossing of the Andes (rocks fall everybody dies) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca_Civil_War Colonization by the Spaniards consisted in military and bureaucratic prescence, and imposing the culture and religion, while keeping the native population mostly intact.
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Oct 2, 2011 18:10
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And smallpox. Never forget the smallpox. It was more devastating to centralized, high-population cultures like the Incas than it was to decentralized, often semi-nomadic north american cultures.
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Oct 2, 2011 18:19
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Also I'm so glad Wales is doing well. This LP got me playing CK and I've been using them as my first country. I've been slowly chipping away England and stole the Isle of Mann, currently at 1136 playing builder in all of my provinces. One thing I've noticed about the game is that vassals are useless. Seriously, only the demenses under the Duke of Hereford built anything. I eventually had to go around revoking titles and killing the few that refused to give me the land. Which was very easy, because I had huge armies and they had tiny ones. Want to know why? They never built any-loving-thing. Another problem is when I was the papal controller I couldn't excommunicate anyone. Even when my Pope had enough prestige and had more prestige than they had piety, when I tried clicking them and nothing ever happened. Still, the climb to power has been fun.
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Oct 2, 2011 18:21
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If you send vassals gifts they will use the money to build. I do this all the time when I have lots of cash and lots of vassals.
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Oct 2, 2011 18:23
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Rejected Fate posted:Also I'm so glad Wales is doing well. This LP got me playing CK and I've been using them as my first country. I've been slowly chipping away England and stole the Isle of Mann, currently at 1136 playing builder in all of my provinces. The reason they don't build stuff is probably because they don't make much money. A count with one province would have to save up for years to build even the most basic province improvements. Give your vassals 100 gold every once in a while and they'll build stuff.
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Oct 2, 2011 18:24
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Wiz posted:If you send vassals gifts they will use the money to build. I do this all the time when I have lots of cash and lots of vassals. ...Huh. I'll have to remember that next time. Still, it's not too bad. Hereford has all my English demenses and I have all the Welsh and Mann under control. Knowing that would probably mean I'd have to play less at catching up to England.
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Oct 2, 2011 18:25
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i guess i'll throw a C out there, looking forward to next update edit: that zimbabwe-to-nubia empire is pretty strange, but i guess you could make some kind of swahili alternate-history outcome if they survive, where the portuguese never showing up allowed the culture to expand both north and south and gain influence (even though this particular empire has its homeland in zimbabwe...). or something. we'll see how they do in the next few hundred years. oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Oct 2, 2011 |
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Oct 2, 2011 18:27
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Leperflesh posted:And smallpox. Never forget the smallpox. It was more devastating to centralized, high-population cultures like the Incas than it was to decentralized, often semi-nomadic north american cultures. Actually, smallpox prompted the civil war since the last Inca Huayna Capac and his heir died of it. While he was investigating news of this "Spaniards" and their so-called "guns"
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Oct 2, 2011 18:32
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 A: Grand Army: 81 (Sniper4625, Proposition Joe, Erwin the German, Pakled, Popy, John Charity Spring, Cernunnos, General Antares, Rejected Fate, Viscardus, Faux Shoah, seal it with a kiss, AJ_Impy, lonelywurm, the blastizard, Kingolf, The Saurus, MotU, Ingolo, wiegieman, Epicurius, RZApublican, Whitecloak, Coolodile, Cityinthesea, Freudian, KnoxZone, Disproportionation, MadPierrot, Quixzlizx, Giovanni_Sinclair, Mr. Pumroy, Smoky Bandana, NGDBSS, Talas, Puistokemisti, Dirt Worshipper, Thegrandmystic, Luigi's Discount Porn Bin, DivineCoffeeBinge, iLurk, Necroskowitz, TurninTrix, ldragon, Drink Cheerwine, Cardinal Ximenez, Kavak, Daeren, Hafl, Veloxyll, Contingency Plan, K0npeito, Dux Supremus, ChaosSamusX, logger, paragon1, rakovsky maybe, Viola the Mad, insider, Lord Baxter, Zero grnder, John Dough, Snipee, Robert_Deadford, GrossMurpel, Charlie Mopps, Sockerbagarn, Dr. Not A Doctor, Canuck-Errant, Griffen, Rutkowski, Arglebargle III, Jeoh, Kem Rixen, DagPenge, Ghost of Mussolini, Mikl, Eumenides, Zahrkon) B: Battlefield Commissions: 20 (nimby, Galaga Galaxian, Zudak, Darth Windu, Adrian Owlsley, Captain Foo, Ferroque, The 47 Regans, Vander, linall, karmicknight, Jeb Bush 2012, the JJ, Herr Tog, AgentF, ZearothK, sick trigger, rizzen, DarkCrawler, ibntumart) C: Siege Engineers: 40 (Brutus Salad, heavensgardener, Ras Het, Ogianres, Pacho, Kainser, RabidWeasel, Ironic Revolution, Dr. Tough, Rarity, meatbag, Affi, doctor iono, Kanthulhu, Aisar, Slaan, Servant, Whizbang, Felime, thsgrn, Minty, Patter Song, Xerophyte, sebzilla, Raserys, Leperflesh, Manifunkdestiny, Eiba, rudatron, HBar, Peel, dereku, Lowcash, Manic Mole, Kuntz, YF-23, Shogeton, Lord Hypnostache, Nepalese Robot, oystertoadfish) If your name is italicized you are literally the worst. (USE AN ICON NEXT TIME SILLIES) Also Official Worst of this session: BlklyknbBurzer
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Oct 2, 2011 18:34
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C Dying for Allah is a glorious thing, but we really shouldn't encourage it. I'd go for B, if you B-holes weren't so D.
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Oct 2, 2011 18:37
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There's a few hours left but I'm gonna go ahead and say that C is not gonna rally. Calling it for A. State of the world update comin' up.
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Oct 2, 2011 18:39
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142 people voted. That's pretty impressive, really.
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Oct 2, 2011 18:45
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Leperflesh posted:142 people voted. That's pretty impressive, really. What was the maximum number of votes the Hohenzollern LP got? It was probably either the "where do we nuke" decision or "the Union of Rome surrendered, what do" vote. It'd be interesting to compare the number that this run-of-the-mill vote got with the absolute height of the Hohenzollern game's attention. (no archives, can't check for myself)
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Oct 2, 2011 18:48
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Hohenzollern votes were tangled mass of sloppy planning.
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 Chapter 12: The World of 1500                              
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Oct 2, 2011 19:23
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Italy's gonna be a powerhouse for quite a while, huh?
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Oct 2, 2011 19:32
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I see the AI has contrived to lose the English fleet. It's impressive how often it does that. This may somewhat inhibit their ability to colonise, well, anything.
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Oct 2, 2011 19:34
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Look at that Ikko-Ikki fleet. We might see a Sino-Japanese War a few centuries early.
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Oct 2, 2011 19:39
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Denmark making a chewtoy out of Sweden makes me giggle. Mainly because everytime we tried in reality (post Kalmar at least, but it seems Magrete I was never born in this game), we got mighty kicks in the national nuts for our troubles. Seems europe is slowly becoming less of a mess, but I suppose that could quickly change.
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Oct 2, 2011 19:41
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Oct 2, 2011 19:43
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"Armenian jerks" indeed.
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Oct 2, 2011 19:45
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GhostBoy posted:Denmark making a chewtoy out of Sweden makes me giggle. Mainly because everytime we tried in reality (post Kalmar at least, but it seems Magrete I was never born in this game), we got mighty kicks in the national nuts for our troubles. e; really, their borders have been identical for several updates except for Sweden having expanded to the east. e2; and in the current war they are occupying one province each. Kainser fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Oct 2, 2011 |
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Oct 2, 2011 19:49
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Kainser posted:I'm not really seeing Denmark beating up Sweden except for apparently taking Halland at some point. If you look at the map of Europe, Denmark took the two bottom provinces next to Halland and Skane. I hope Fraconia stays around for a while, I love that color; Also interested to see what Muscowy does. If I recall, they have most of the provinces needed to form Russia besides Novgorod and... Yaroslavl? I can't remember.
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Oct 2, 2011 19:51
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Talas posted:Look at the size of the Armenian armies Yeah, but look at the one country ahead of them. I have a feeling things are going to work out for us in that department (or I hope so, at least  ).
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Oct 2, 2011 19:51
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Pakled posted:Look at that Ikko-Ikki fleet. We might see a Sino-Japanese War a few centuries early. Their fleet is all galleys, though. Good for keeping the other Japanese states from crossing over into Kyushu, not so good for anything offensive.
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Oct 2, 2011 19:53
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Cityinthesea posted:If you look at the map of Europe, Denmark took the two bottom provinces next to Halland and Skane. They are at war, Sweden is currently occupying Halland and Denmark is currently occupying Småland. e; it'd be cool if you posted the 'current wars' page in the ledger in the state of the world updates Wiz.
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Oct 2, 2011 19:55
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Best world  Strong Italy and Aragon, Ikko-Ikki being completely awesome, Rhodes being a lucrative CoT. All it needs is Gascony to do a little bit better! Also, it's a shame about Al-Andalus. I hope they find some way to carve out an existence, but the future for them looks bleak. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7iLFuapeY8 Andalucia, castles and Christians Andalucia, come to stay
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Oct 2, 2011 20:00
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How come I'm not seeing Byzantium on any of those lists?
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Too late to vote but can I go  at everyone ignoring B.Battlefield commisions ensures that you can always hire competent generals, which at low tech levels are (in addition to terrain modifiers) the biggest factor which can swing a battle in your favour. Not only that it boosts every single General you have anyway by giving them an extra dot of shock, one of the most powerful stats to have in the early game. B would have helped us out in two ways. First it would have heavily mitigated out manpower disadvantage by ensuring we can inflict far heavier casualties on them than they can on us. It would have helped mitigate war exhaustion effects on our side whilst upping it on their side due again due to them being far more likely to take heavier losses than us. A mitigates our disadvantage slightly but they would still outnumber us. The only thing to be said for it is that the Tech modifier will be helpful in the long run. C would have helped us develop our country but not really helped us win wars. This is especially the case since scorching was nerfed since that used to be the way to ensure enemies would take a lot of losses whilst sieging.
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Oct 2, 2011 20:17
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DarkCrawler posted:How come I'm not seeing Byzantium on any of those lists? Those lists just show the thirteen largest armies and navies. Given the way Byzantium's getting its rear end kicked by Rhodes of all people, clearly they have basically no military.
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Oct 2, 2011 20:24
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Patter Song posted:Those lists just show the thirteen largest armies and navies. Given the way Byzantium's getting its rear end kicked by Rhodes of all people, clearly they have basically no military. What happened to it? I mean, they were Nicaea and just won like two wars beforehand...did their armies just dissappear upon turning into Byzantium or what?
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Oct 2, 2011 20:28
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So why is it we're teaming up with Syria/Egypt when Persia is right next door?
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GoatLord posted:So why is it we're teaming up with Syria/Egypt when Persia is right next door? The Persians are Sunni.
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Oct 2, 2011 20:39
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GoatLord posted:So why is it we're teaming up with Syria/Egypt when Persia is right next door? Persia is Sunni.  Also, a lot less likely to help us defend against Armenia. Syria has a very strong interest in keeping Armenia contained, while Persia is further away.
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Oct 2, 2011 20:39
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DarkCrawler posted:What happened to it? I mean, they were Nicaea and just won like two wars beforehand...did their armies just dissappear upon turning into Byzantium or what? Rhodes probably sunk their navy.
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Servant posted:The Persians are Sunni. Well clearly we just need to be more tolerant, then.
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