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Ofaloaf posted:Portuguese Anatolia? I only wish it was Portuguese every once in a while. No, Castille was magnetically attracted to Anatolia and Egypt as if marching on Ankara was the logical conclusion of the Reconquista. Admittedly, if the Spanish could have marched on Anatolia during the 1400s and 1500s, they absolutely would have. However (this is not really modeled in EU3/4), Spanish armies would not have survived contact with the Ottomans, as Spain was very poor and unable to field anywhere near as many soldiers as the Ottomans had at their disposal. The problem isn't quixotic Spanish crusades into Anatolia; it's successful Spanish crusades into Anatolia.
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RabidWeasel posted:A lot of it is backlash / emotional scarring from really bad early EU experiences where stuff like English Finland, Spanish Norway and Portugese Anatolia happened in nearly every game.
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crestfallen posted:Oh, okay. I have to admit, I do enjoy when things seem to line up nicely. Take that as you will. I just thought it was interesting how passionate some people were about it. In my very first game of V2, back in Vanilla, I was Germany and at war with Russia. My junior ally, Spain, who had been quite useful, decided to add a wargoal, and I was prepared to give them something until I saw: "Spain has added the wargoal Spain acquires Southern Finland." In horror, I made sure that every wargoal on my side except that one was completed.
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I'm really interested to see where the narrative we've got here can go next. There's hardly been any hints of deeply-rooted political conflict that will manifest as communism or fascism a bit later on, though if I had to bet on it I don't think Russia and America will end the game with the same political system they have now.
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I'm hoping that the entire world will erupt into a gigantic spite fuelled ten-way clusterfuck war, which seems to be the only possible option given everybody is picking crisis sides with nothing but sheer spite
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crimea posted:I'm really interested to see where the narrative we've got here can go next. There's hardly been any hints of deeply-rooted political conflict that will manifest as communism or fascism a bit later on, though if I had to bet on it I don't think Russia and America will end the game with the same political system they have now.
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Sikh fascists? They'll unite India in a month
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Sikh fascists? They'll unite India in a month Is Nagpur the birthplace of Sikhism here? I know a lot of the Sikh military tradition is largely due to Aurangzeb and co. loving with them for a while. If that didn't happen they might just be original Nanak style peace and love Sikhdom. We can't have that now, can we.
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Ofaloaf posted:America seems to skitter between Absolute Monarchy and event-enforced Constitutional Monarchy, but I agree with you that something's gotta give there by the end of V2. It'll only end up a democracy, though-- communists and fascists will appear and rise to power, but only in places like Luxembourg and Nagpur. Not necessarily. This happened in my USA game, I didn't really try to force this outcome either, a number of successive Republican governments with the high unemployment and such laissez faire brings with it led to it. 
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Wiz, the images in the OP are broken. edit: No, the filtering at work is.
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Randarkman posted:Not necessarily. This happened in my USA game, I didn't really try to force this outcome either, a number of successive Republican governments with the high unemployment and such laissez faire brings with it led to it.  
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Randarkman posted:Not necessarily. This happened in my USA game, I didn't really try to force this outcome either, a number of successive Republican governments with the high unemployment and such laissez faire brings with it led to it. I remember playing (in Victoria 1) as Germany and having a legit communist revolution (like, I wasn't planning on it) while trying to fight off both Russia, France and the Austrians. Eventually, I ended up in a war against fascist America. That war lasted for fifteen years and saw my elite army just utterly slaughter literally millions of American conscripts from its tiny bridgehead in San Fransisco. Eventually they actually managed to force a peace before their government collapsed, because just maintaining that expeditionary force was severely depleting my soldier pops and nearly bankrupting me. That was when I learned that you do not gently caress with lategame America.
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Randarkman posted:Not necessarily. This happened in my USA game, I didn't really try to force this outcome either, a number of successive Republican governments with the high unemployment and such laissez faire brings with it led to it. Random lakes in North Dakota and the Appalachians are rendered on the map but the Great Salt Lake is not? Huh
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i81icu812 posted:Random lakes in North Dakota and the Appalachians are rendered on the map but the Great Salt Lake is not? Huh I think that's it under the L Ha! Beat you by a microsecond.
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i81icu812 posted:Random lakes in North Dakota and the Appalachians are rendered on the map but the Great Salt Lake is not? Huh But yes it is? It is just under the text. edit: beaten, and I'm dumb.
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But what about the People's Front of America?
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habeasdorkus posted:But what about the People's Front of America? Splitters!
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What mod is that? Why does it have square lining for flags?
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People like Cherokee because it is genuine new alternate history, instead of just a variation of known theme. The Kingdom of America, or the People's Republic of America is funny, but not that unique, just unusual. Look at Europe, despites 7ßß years of alternate history, it looks very similar to our Europe. A militaristic state dominated by Native Americans and build upon slavery on the other hand is really a unique outcome of this LP.
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Jesenjin posted:What mod is that? My money's on either PDM/NNM for the naming. Regarding the flags, it's a super simple (and really worthwhile imho) mod that makes the flag frames a lot prettier: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?558366-Big-Flag-Frames&s=760ad965f8f8e1acdeb1a6ad691da09a
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Jesenjin posted:What mod is that? Completely vanilla besides a Drone posted:mod that makes the flag frames a lot prettier: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?558366-Big-Flag-Frames&s=760ad965f8f8e1acdeb1a6ad691da09a Makes borders and province names much easier to see and read. Playing V2 without it literally makes me nauseous, because of all the squinting I have to do. Nothing that changes the naming of countries/provinces or anything non-visual.
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Nightblade posted:Completely vanilla besides a I was reading about an EU4 version of this mod on Steam Workshop the other day and apparently that version removed all terrain bonuses/maluses for the entire word. Literally just made the whole map flat. Does it do that in V2?
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Drone posted:I was reading about an EU4 version of this mod on Steam Workshop the other day and apparently that version removed all terrain bonuses/maluses for the entire word. Literally just made the whole map flat. Does it do that in V2? Nah, it's just visual. Since you can't see the terrain in political mode it's easy to forget and attack an equal sized stack in the mountains, though.
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Nightblade posted:Nah, it's just visual. Since you can't see the terrain in political mode it's easy to forget and attack an equal sized stack in the mountains, though. I am so bad about just going gently caress it and doing that.
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The Saurus posted:When it says Jan Mayen's Upper House is "based on population" I'm going to assume every person gets to appoint themselves to the upper house. Upper house of 1, elective monarchy.
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Nightblade posted:Nah, it's just visual. Since you can't see the terrain in political mode it's easy to forget and attack an equal sized stack in the mountains, though. It is even funnier in HoI games. Tanks at mountains, you say?
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i81icu812 posted:Random lakes in North Dakota and the Appalachians are rendered on the map but the Great Salt Lake is not? Huh I just noticed the Salton Sea is on the map. Historically the lake wasn't created until 1905, so we may have spotted a genuine anachronism here.
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Defeatist Elitist posted:Is Nagpur the birthplace of Sikhism here? I know a lot of the Sikh military tradition is largely due to Aurangzeb and co. loving with them for a while. If that didn't happen they might just be original Nanak style peace and love Sikhdom. I don't think there's too much to worry about on that front, they seem to have had their fair share of conflict here too not to mention being wedged between two superior powers. Speaking of religious differences, I remember now that Japan was formed by Ikko-Ikki. How Buddhist are they in this timeline? Although they did spend a little while as a merchant republic so they didn't necessarily take it too seriously.
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I think Wiz said of that earlier that it happened like 300 years ago and the country has changed since.
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Do we get badboy for humiliating other nations? Because that'd be a good way to put our prestige on steroids and get into #8? Though there's the cost of wars, which we need for factories... perhaps we could fight wars for indemnities and just the prestige of killing all their soldiers, oh and loot them while we're at it. We could go for a Daeis-killing picnic in Egypt. 
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 Chapter 11: Great Power (1880 - 1890) In a bid to further assert Anatolia's status in the region, the Kral government orders the expansion of the army from 30 to 50 brigades.  The increasingly politically conscious population of Anatolia have begun to form organized political lobbies for issues such as work hours, public schools and voting rights that they hold to be important.   The protests they organized places pressure on the Upper House, who respond by passing a series of modest reforms, limiting the work day to 14 hours and funding a barebones national public schooling system.   The Krakatau volcano erupts in the Indian ocean, killing tens of thousands of people on the surrounding islands and darkening the skies above the Dutch and Spanish East Indies.  The Kral government goes to election on a platform promising reform of the voting system. By now, even under the current Weighted Wealth system of voting, the aristocrats and landowners have long since been outnumbered by middle-class voters, and the promises are enough to secure them an overwhelming victory.  Working with the liberals in the Upper House, they pass a comprehensive reform of the voting system by expanding the franchise, eliminating some of the weighting rules favoring the votes of the aristocracy, and opening up the Upper House to public elections.    A group of disgruntled aristocrats, angry with the reforms to the voting system, rise in revolt in and around Tabriz. Their revolt fails to attract popular support, however, and is quickly crushed.  European expansion in Africa continues steadily, with Italy dominating the interior and Great Britain expanding rapidly in East Africa. The other Great Powers also take a share for themselves with Germany annexing Madagascar, Burgundy invading Morocco, and even Russia taking a piece of West Africa.  The expansion of the army, the continued industrialization of the eastern provinces, and the liberal reforms finally convince the Great Powers of Europe to view Anatolia as an equal, with Tabriz now viewed as the primary center of Western civilization in the Middle East.   Eager to continue to build on that image, the Kral government negotiates with Egypt for rights to excave the Valley of Kings - rights that have previously been denied Great Britain and Russia - and are granted exclusive rights to the exacavation, further enhancing Anatolia's prestige.   Anatolia next begins to build influence among its neighbours, establishing good relations with the Persians and ending Russian influence in Tehran through the use of industrial development aid and trade subsidies, along with copious bribes to important ministers close to the Shah.   Russia responds by meddling in Anatolia's Palestinian and Lebanese puppets, further souring relations between Moscow and Tabriz.  The election of 1889 is the first with the new voting system, and produces a diverse parliament where the Kral fail to get a majority. With the reactionary Ittihad refusing to cooperate with them on account of their liberal forms, the Kral turn first to the Liberal Musavat party, who prove uninterested on account of their hopes of capturing parliament in the next election, and then finally the Socialist Vicdan (Conscience) party. The Socialists agree to form a coalition in exchange for a number of important posts in education and welfare. The Anarcho-Liberal Azadliq (Liberty) party captures only a small part of the vote. (Yes, I know what the screenshot is saying. I'm ignoring it for the sake of narrative.)  Now in government along with the Kral, the Vicdan ministers quickly begin expanding the school system to encompass a majority of Anatolia's children, as well as creating scholarship grants to allow gifted students from poor and minority regions to attend university.   Romania is once again the focus of the world's attention, as an armed insurgency has been raging in both Hungarian and Bulgarian Romania over the liberation of the Romanian people. As always, Russia backs Hungary and Bulgaria against the British demands, but this time both Germany and Burgundy side with Britain against the Russians. Seeing an opportunity to take Moscow down a notch and curtail Russia's meddling in the Levant, Anatolia throws its weight behind Britain as well.  The Great Powers meet in Warsaw, their diplomats working feverishly to avert war, even as both sides begin to mobilize their reserves and draw up invasion plans.   65 years after the creation of the Anatolian Republic, is Azerbaijan once again headed to war with Russia?  
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Here we go again... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyeKYQdYISg
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Goddamn, Mali got carved up fast.
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Gott in Himmel, we are going to DIE
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Tomn posted:Gott in Himmel, we are going to DIE Fun fact: On account of 'maximum modernization' vote I have been focusing on culture, industry and commerce and neglecting the military, so our army is antiquated as all hell compared to Russia's. Wiz fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Jan 2, 2014 |
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Oh god I hope Great Britain wins and claims that bit of Africa that Russia has got. There's something about the phrase "Russian Africa" that drives me mad.
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So long Great Power status and possibly Anatolia. It was nice knowing you.
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Wiz posted:Fun fact: On account of 'maximum modernization' vote I have been focusing on culture, industry and commerece and neglecting the military, so our army is antiquated as all hell compared to Russia's. Once again, goon schizophrenia has doomed another nation to the compost pile of history. If only we'd gone for armed neutrality at least!
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Is it just me, or does the Bosporus Republic look like lipstick on Anatolia kissing Europe?
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