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Just caught up on this LP, good stuff. This has been very entertaining so far Wiz Now to go read some of the other Mega-Paradox LPs. Which one to devote a week to first. 
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Just caught up on this LP, good stuff. This has been very entertaining so far Wiz Now to go read some of the other Mega-Paradox LPs. Which one to devote a week to first. Wiz's Hohenzollern LP, which is probably my favorite Paradox LP/AAR of all time, is the one most similar in style to this one.
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Sep 28, 2011 19:47
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Pakled posted:Wiz's Hohenzollern LP, which is probably my favorite Paradox LP/AAR of all time, is the one most similar in style to this one. It also has the benefit of being the only one so far to actually finish all the way through (at least, as far as I remember). Poland came close, but died in the EU3/Victoria conversion (Crazy Joe Wilson, if you're out there, you can start a second thread.) Serbia will likely make it out of sheer cussed-mindedness, but it's been going on for 3 years and is only at the end of EU3.
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Sep 28, 2011 19:50
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There is also the Jerusalem Mega LP.
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Sep 28, 2011 19:51
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Patter Song posted:It also has the benefit of being the only one so far to actually finish all the way through (at least, as far as I remember). Fintilgin's Kingdom of Jerusalem game also made it all the way through. e:f;b but yeah, other than those two, I don't think any others have made it all the way from CK to Hearts of Iron.
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Sep 28, 2011 19:52
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The Jerusalem one is worth reading for the ending alone.
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Sep 28, 2011 19:58
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I spent a couple hours playing a little V2 and tweaking it yesterday. So far: Early economy fixed, factories made profitable, capitalists unfucked, and national focus system revamped.Rejected Fate posted:I'd quite like to see how the Jews are doing there, actually. Do Horde provinces convert in religion? I hope it's still primarily Jewish, just for diversity. Still Jewish.
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Sep 28, 2011 20:06
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MadPierrot posted:The Jerusalem one is worth reading for the ending alone. Ah yes the classic fake ending that became real ending. Quite good.
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Sep 28, 2011 20:07
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Wiz posted:capitalists unfucked Now this is just unacceptable. I thought we were all in agreement on the "gently caress Capitalists" agenda.
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Sep 28, 2011 20:17
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Wiz posted:I spent a couple hours playing a little V2 and tweaking it yesterday. So far: Early economy fixed, factories made profitable, capitalists unfucked, and national focus system revamped. Please tell me you went with the general modding solution of making the population requirement smaller. Because having to hit 2 million people of your culture to get a second NF is damned near impossible for a lot of cultures.
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Sep 28, 2011 20:17
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theblastizard posted:Please tell me you went with the general modding solution of making the population requirement smaller. Actually I just made it so you get unlimited NFs, and added more NF options, so you can set a focus in every state, meaning you can actually actively manage your country isntead of just watching the game play itself. This messes up vanilla colonization but that poo poo is awful anyway so tearing it out and replacing it.
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Sep 28, 2011 20:20
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Assuming NF stands for national focus? What does that do in V2? Do factories not use pops from the entire state rather than the province they're in anymore (like in V1)?
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Sep 28, 2011 20:25
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The Saurus posted:Assuming NF stands for national focus? What does that do in V2? Do factories not use pops from the entire state rather than the province they're in anymore (like in V1)? Factories use POPs, but you can't promote/demote POPs directly, instead you have to indirectly influence them using the national focus. It's basically a modifier you can set in a state from a list of existing ones like encouraging railroads, encouraging different types of factories, encouraging immigration or encouraging conversion to certain types of POPs. Vanilla is super stingy with NF points though, so you can only really affect 1-2 state s at a time unless you're playing a great power, which means for big countries the vast majority of the country you can't do poo poo to manage POPs or control what your capitalists do.
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Sep 28, 2011 20:28
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Wiz posted:I spent a couple hours playing a little V2 and tweaking it yesterday. So far: Early economy fixed, factories made profitable, capitalists unfucked, and national focus system revamped. Paradox should really employ you because I basically only buy their games to play your mods.
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Sep 28, 2011 20:31
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I'm sorry if there's an obvious answer to this, but is there a place where you can find Wiz' former mods, if any? Edit: Sweet! Thanks, Wiz. Bohemian Nights fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Sep 28, 2011 |
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Sep 28, 2011 20:37
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Most of my mods are here.
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Sep 28, 2011 20:37
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zeek40 posted:The King of Mann will conquer Lesbos and update his coat of arms. I usually just lurk these threads, but this deserves special attention. Hilarious!
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Sep 28, 2011 22:25
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Patter Song posted:It also has the benefit of being the only one so far to actually finish all the way through (at least, as far as I remember). I started working on finishing the Victoria conversion two weeks ago :shhh: Also Wiz, kudos to you for tackling this again, and going with an-out there state like Azerbaijan. I've always liked the name of that place. Great stuff in this thread so far.
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Sep 28, 2011 22:47
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:I started working on finishing the Victoria conversion two weeks ago :shhh: What the! I tried reading your thread again yesterday but all of the [waffle]images are down  Any chance you could painstakingly reupload them all?
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Sep 28, 2011 22:54
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The Saurus posted:What the! Saurus, you'll scare him away.
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Sep 28, 2011 22:55
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Wiz, out of curiosity, if this and the Hohenzollern LP were you playing with limitations on yourself, what happens when you go out with the active intent to conquer the world?
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Sep 28, 2011 23:44
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Raserys posted:Wiz, out of curiosity, if this and the Hohenzollern LP were you playing with limitations on yourself, what happens when you go out with the active intent to conquer the world? It isn't particularly hard to break the game and conquer the world. Once you get past a certain point, EU3 is incredibly easy, and the worst part is simply micromanaging all the armies and navies and poo poo.
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Sep 28, 2011 23:53
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:I started working on finishing the Victoria conversion two weeks ago :shhh: Yessssss. I loved that Poland LP.
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Sep 29, 2011 00:01
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Raserys posted:Wiz, out of curiosity, if this and the Hohenzollern LP were you playing with limitations on yourself, what happens when you go out with the active intent to conquer the world? Go see the How to Play EU3 thread to see an effort with no restraints. It is also possible to actively conquer the world, even as the weakest of powers, like Ryukyu.
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Sep 29, 2011 00:17
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The Saurus posted:What the! Waffleimages is a ghost that will haunt us forever.
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Sep 29, 2011 00:42
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One day, imgur and LPix and tinypic will go down and all these threads that entertain us so today will be as unreadable as 80% of the Goldmine. ... except for Wiz's LP's, because Shards of Dalaya will surely be around forever.
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Sep 29, 2011 03:01
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Pakled posted:One day, imgur and LPix and tinypic will go down and all these threads that entertain us so today will be as unreadable as 80% of the Goldmine. That's half the reason I've got ~7000 images from various goldmines and thread over the past several years- and platinum 
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Sep 29, 2011 03:20
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Also, I have all the pictures from all of Wiz's LPs as part of the archiving process. Speaking of which, exciting news to come soon, for all you Crete lovers!
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Sep 29, 2011 04:16
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Does it involve the isle of either mann or lesbos?
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Sep 29, 2011 04:18
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I wish Crusader Kings was on Steam, I kinda want to play it myself. I really love its focus on playing a family that rules a nation/vassals as opposed to you being the nation itself. Then again I worry I wouldn't have the patience for it or it wouldn't be nearly as exciting as Wiz's excellent descriptions and narrative.
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Sep 29, 2011 04:40
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Galaga Galaxian posted:I wish Crusader Kings was on Steam, I kinda want to play it myself. I really love its focus on playing a family that rules a nation/vassals as opposed to you being the nation itself. Then again I worry I wouldn't have the patience for it or it wouldn't be nearly as exciting as Wiz's excellent descriptions and narrative. Crusader Kings is unique in that you can be the strongest country in the world and it doesn't mean you won't get hosed over when your 8-year-old Schizophrenic Excommunicated Heretic son takes over. You'll still be in for an impossible uphill struggle.
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Sep 29, 2011 04:52
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Patter Song posted:Crusader Kings is unique in that you can be the strongest country in the world and it doesn't mean you won't get hosed over when your 8-year-old Schizophrenic Excommunicated Heretic son takes over. You'll still be in for an impossible uphill struggle. Yeah, thats so much more interesting than "ok, conquered a third of the continent, the rest will come in time, and then the world."
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Galaga Galaxian posted:I wish Crusader Kings was on Steam, I kinda want to play it myself. I really love its focus on playing a family that rules a nation/vassals as opposed to you being the nation itself. Then again I worry I wouldn't have the patience for it or it wouldn't be nearly as exciting as Wiz's excellent descriptions and narrative. It is a strange game. Playing it as a game is almost invariably not fun at all - you can quickly get to the point where you are impossible to beat, and making sure an idiot doesn't inherit isn't THAT hard. Vassals are annoying to control sometimes, but you can grow enough kids in a couple generations to get the bloodline bonus for almost everyone. Playing low on the totem pole can also be ridiculously boring if you again treat the game as just a game. But if you start to really pay attention to your family tree, noting rivalries and making sub-optimal choices based on characters' personalities, then the game really starts to shine and you start to get a really interesting and at times hilarious or heartbreaking narrative. For example, one of my favorite things is to play as a count in the service of a duke of some greater nation, like France or Poland. This allows you to keep a smaller court and concentrate on family dynamics. I remember one particularly cruel and zealous count who was vicious to his court but weak-willed and doting when it came to his only son and heir. In an ironic twist of fate, he caught his son in bed with another boy. In a rage, he disinherited him and cast him out of the court. A few years later, he had another boy, and the EXACT SAME THING HAPPENED. One of the rarest events had happened to the same count. He went insane from the stress almost immediately after and killed himself, after which a cousin inherited. I got a pretty big kick out of that. Sometimes you have to stretch, but you can almost always squeeze a coherent narrative out of the game, and it often does the storytelling itself. It's probably the PC game I've put the most hours into total, aside from maybe Civ 4 or EU3. I am very anxious to see how they do with CK2. If they forget this strong core, it could be awful, but if they don't mess with this basic narrative creation element and just improve on all the janky mechanics and make it a fun game as well as story, then it could be the last computer game I ever need.
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Darth Windu posted:It is a strange game. Playing it as a game is almost invariably not fun at all - you can quickly get to the point where you are impossible to beat, and making sure an idiot doesn't inherit isn't THAT hard. Vassals are annoying to control sometimes, but you can grow enough kids in a couple generations to get the bloodline bonus for almost everyone. Playing low on the totem pole can also be ridiculously boring if you again treat the game as just a game. Totally with you on this. One of my rulers was doing his best to conquer North Africa so he could add another kingship to his list of titles, but was jealous of a nephew who had the most awesome province in the entirety of the dynasty (Toledo). Plus his wife hated him and he watched year after year go without an heir, which meant an even greater drive to amass more in his lifetime. I wound up pretty much bankrupting the dynasty trying to seize back the nephew's holdings and boot him from the kingdom, which objectively was stupid since he was actually pretty competent and would have inherited the throne, but I have to admit it made for satisfying storytelling in my head. My king eventually received a grievous wound in battle and turned down the offer of healing, deciding to trust to God the fate of his dynasty. He died shortly after, leaving his brother with two kingdoms at least. Funny how easy CK makes it to invest your avatars with so much backstory.
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That is pretty much exactly how I would probably play it (after learning the basics) since in a lot of games I play more with aesthetics/roleplay/"spirit of the game" in mind instead of efficiency. For example, in Mount and Blade I'll only use the troops of the nation I serve and use decent troop ratios instead of simply steamrolling everything with heavy cavalry or only hiring the best of each troop type. Or in Silent Hunter III I'll follow many of the limitations/rules/regulations set by the BdU, that have no positive gameplay effect, such as making regular radio reports, even if all that does in the actual game is let the allies triangulate my position (and Bdu always just replies with the same "yeah keep up the good work." message.). Crusader Kings just looks like a wonderful game for that sorta mentality. I wish it was on Steam, I know its available at other places but, like many goons I am spoiled. Plus its like $25 for the full thing at the couple places I checked and if it had been on steam during that paradox sale a week or two back I could've gotten it for a steal.   
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Sep 29, 2011 05:33
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That's how I play games too. Form over function. You'd probably love Crusader Kings. Another game that I got into with the same fervor was King of Dragon Pass, but that has less replayability since the story is always the same. It is still very fun.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Crusader Kings just looks like a wonderful game for that sorta mentality. I wish it was on Steam, I know its available at other places but, like many goons I am spoiled. Plus its like $25 for the full thing at the couple places I checked and if it had been on steam during that paradox sale a week or two back I could've gotten it for a steal. You can buy the digital download of CK and the expansion for just under $20 at Amazon. Darth Windu posted:That's how I play games too. Form over function. You'd probably love Crusader Kings. Another game that I got into with the same fervor was King of Dragon Pass, but that has less replayability since the story is always the same. It is still very fun. I just got KoDP last week (after finding the LP linked to in the Sims 3 LP thread, of all things). So far, my little clan isn't very good at, um, anything, but at least we haven't been butchered by the Ducks or anything yet. ibntumart fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Sep 29, 2011 |
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Sep 29, 2011 05:44
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Collecting King titles is fun, even (sometimes especially) when you no longer have the land associated. At one point I had a King who was King of England, Wales, Ireland, Castille, Aragon, Leon, Navarre, and Egypt, yet the empire only had two provinces on the Iberian Peninsula and a smattering of holdings in Egypt and Ireland (with England and Wales totally owned). I loved the idea that I had stolen all the royal titles from Iberia and abandoned the peninsula for good.
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Darth Windu posted:That's how I play games too. Form over function. You'd probably love Crusader Kings. Another game that I got into with the same fervor was King of Dragon Pass, but that has less replayability since the story is always the same. It is still very fun. ibntumart posted:I just got KoDP last week (after finding the LP linked to in the Sims 3 LP thread, of all things). So far, my little clan isn't very good at, um, anything, but at least we haven't been butchered by the Ducks or anything yet. I love KoDP, its another great game for this, since really there is no super efficient way to play it. I also have a decent knowledge of Glorantha (KoDP's setting) which makes it especially fun to play. ibntumart posted:You can buy the digital download of CK and the expansion for just under $20 at Amazon. As odd as this might sound, I didn't even know Amazon did digital downloads. Though another (less half-hearted) check of places to get the game reveals that Green Man Gaming has Crusader Kings: Complete for $15. Galaga Galaxian fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Sep 30, 2011 |
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