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Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

Making the world a better place, one ordeal at a time.

Myrdraayl posted:

This game...

I don't know how it happened but my character always had magic 30 points higher than every other stat so he'd be slow, weak, and fragile but could survive megidoloans and throw out stones for over 500-1000. I don't know whether it was the best character or the most gimped character but it was a blast seeing only the main character be the last one standing and throwing megidola stones at the final boss. A true man of science, who needs law or chaos when you're basically a neutral demi-god of stone-chucking?

It was your choices in a section coming up that set you up for such a terrible stat spread.

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TurnipFritter
Apr 21, 2010

HUGE
DICKS
SLAPPING
MY
TENDER MOUTH


Garlic Wall posted:

Zach Braff because the protagonist sort of looks like a skinny vampire version of him.

By that logic, he should be called Dr. Acula.

Luisfe
Aug 17, 2005

Hee-lo-ho!

The combined votes for the Deadly Premonition name are victorious over Kurt Russell.

El Belmondo
Apr 3, 2011

Fa! A long long way to run!


Luisfe posted:

Yeah, the game hates piracy. Also, the CD that came with the game was defective, but Atlus being awesome, sent a replacement CD free of charge. That was a very nice detail.

Speaking of this, I don't think I ever got my replacement CD.

Jeabus Mahogany
Feb 13, 2011

I'm mad because of a thorn in my impenetrable hide

Is it too late to vote for Dave Lister?

Because I'm doing it anyway.

NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011

ahahah bowser you can
try all you want but
your nothing but a fail!!

Another vote for BRIAN BLESSED.

TurnipFritter
Apr 21, 2010

HUGE
DICKS
SLAPPING
MY
TENDER MOUTH


Can we throw passwords at you?

Luisfe
Aug 17, 2005

Hee-lo-ho!

TurnipFritter posted:

Can we throw passwords at you?

Of course! Once the option is available, of course.

alcharagia
Apr 23, 2008

What.
Did you say.
To that horse.

I have gotten 100% Compendium completion, so I'll be sure to throw you a password or two. It'll be rad.

LibrarianCroaker
Mar 30, 2010


Feinne posted:

It was your choices in a section coming up that set you up for such a terrible stat spread.

On the other hand, I chose for a magic heavy spread and ended up with more agility and vitality than magic.

Alectai posted:

I have mathematically determined the Best Name for our main character

Hero Protagonist

I'm sorry, the correct answer is Hiro Protagonist.

Monk E
May 19, 2009


Luisfe posted:

Of course! Once the option is available, of course.

Cool I'll finally have a use for that hua po I taught jihad for the postgame stuff I ended up never completing.

alcharagia
Apr 23, 2008

What.
Did you say.
To that horse.

I'm going to give you Bugaboo. And Bagaboo. And Bogaboo. And it's gonna be totally awesome.

Dirty Deeds Done
Apr 8, 2009


I maintain that as we will be navigating a hostile environment here our protagonist should go under the name Bear Grylls

Einander
Sep 14, 2008


I'm kind of amused that we have Feinne playing Mastema to Tallgeese's Metatron now. I disagree with the analysis, of course, but previous attempts to argue the point in these threads have made me empathize with the portrayal of YHWH in SMT: I, too, run out of the patience to coherently argue my point in favor of simply wishing to smite the infidels.

Is name voting still going on? It's a little unclear.

And by the way: The original soundtrack CD wasn't broken, IIRC. All the files were on the CD and functional, they just weren't in a format you could play if it was in anything but a computer. Atlus also had no actual checking that you actually bought the game when you asked for a replacement CD, which really seems like poor thinking...

Luisfe
Aug 17, 2005

Hee-lo-ho!

Update 2



I blame my mentioning of Dale Cooper for this particular turn of events.


"You will sere on this ship, the Red Sprite, under my command. You've been assigned to be part of the strike team. Strike team members have military experience, just like yours. You'll be the ones going out in the field. I'll expect you and your teammates to act according to the code of conduct."




I do not know if this particular York is an rear end in a top hat or not, so let's just shake it. We'll see in a moment what happens if the handshake is not done.






Well that is pretty uneventful. Let's see the other alternative.



"Were you warned not to get too friendly with me, York? Hahaha.... Well, as long as you're part of our team here on the Red Sprite, you're an invaluable asset. I'm counting on you."



Yes, there is no getting out of the handshakes. No matter what one choices, his hand will be crushed by his commanding officer. This time, let's go with "shook the hand".


"Strike team members, your briefind isn't quite through yet. Meet me at the deck. Those assigned to other duties, take your places aboard your respective ships."



And now we also see the point of the lower screen. It is an automap, showing the layout of the ship.
Let's chat with the crew members in the command room.



Strike Team: "An American, eh? This team really is international. We have all kinds here, but every one of them is the best of the best from the world's soldiers. There won't be any trouble here, that's for sure, eh? Honestly, though... I was just assigned here myself. I'm still kinda learning the ropes. Well, I'm sure if we stick together, we'll get through this just fine, eh?"



I am gonna assume that the Strike Team member was supposed to be Canadian.
Let's see what Zelenin has got to say now.


"In my office's view, there is no doubt the Schwarzwelt poses a serious threat to mankind. But what is man if not resourceful? Through cooperation, there are no problems we cannot overcome. I am eager to do my part here for the future of mankind."




And now yet another pivotal character-building choice, to offer or not to offer one's hand for shaking. Gore crushed York's hand, so it is just fair and square that he crushes Zelenin's, isn't it?

In any case, both choices will be shown, but only one will be kept, and that is "extending the hand".



" I very much look forward to working with you, York."



"You have the grip of a soldier... I feel quite safe with you around. It's nice to meet a military man with such manners. You and I will make a good team, York. With soldiers like you supporting us, how can we fail?"




"Should there come a time when we find ourselves working together, I'll be counting on you. I'm sorry, but I have to go and greet the others. There isn't much time before it all starts."




So yeah, a pretty different first impression, but the thing is that she is expecting York to do his job properly in any case.



Engineer: "Huh? You don't know what the Demonica is? Oh, you joined later... Guess you wouldn't have heard yet, huh? Well, no matter. Commander Gore will explain it all soon enough. For now, better go on over to the deck. A soldier always moves double-time!"



And that is exactly what will be done. The other areas other than the deck are open, but useless since there is no one there.


As seen here. Everything is open, but empty.



Yeah, nowhere to go but the Deck.



And nothing to do but to listen to Gore.




"This is a scientific mission to investigate the Schwarzelt. Despite that, we must make allowances for the unpredictable. That is your role. The strike team will patrol outside the ships to keep the area secure. I know it sounds dangerous, but you've been given special equipment to help you in your task. "



"Developed as next-generation weaponry, the Demonica suit lets you functionin harsh conditions. Our early tests show that they're viable here in the Scharzwelt. "





Oh my, another important character!

"He's already been specially trained in its use in order to pass it along to the rest of you. Why don't you come up and show us, Crewman Jimenez?"




That's him.



"I'm Jimenez. I'm posted to SHip 2, the Blue Jet. Back in my outfit, I was a warrant officer, but I guess here I'm just one of the crew. We're all part of the Schwarzwelt Investigation Team, so obviously, we're here to investigate. Could be the science types might not even need us around. But in case we do get called into action, we can't fumble around not knowing how to use what we got. So pay attention to what I'm about to tell you, even if it's just to dig your own grave."



"So here it is. They were right when they said the Demonica's some cutting-edge stuff... But they weren't just talking about its ability to resist harsh conditions. It's loaded with high-tech features. To start with, you've got the fundamental AI system that supports your movements... It boosts your existing Strength and protects from harm according to your style in battle."




Notice: This is important. The main character DOES NOT level up. The suit does.



"Then there's your visor feed. It's extensible, so you can add features to your HUD by installing applications. Enhanced vision, map markers, even battle data... You can adjust it to show you all kinds of things. So that's point two. The Demonica is smart, it evolves along with your battle performance. "





"But I'm under orders not to waste supplies. This op's expensive, y'see. If you're smart, like the Demonica is, you should have no problems out in the field. Just cross your fingers the brass doesn't value the inhuman resources more than the human ones."





Jimenez doesn't seem to care much about respect.



And clearly he is quite mercenary about the whole deal.



"If you put in the work, I'm sure you'll get everything you want. You may even get the crew's gratitude as a bonus... But perhaps you don't much care for that."




Yeah.




Oh my! New toys!





Oh, silly backronyms. Those are always funny.




Demonica OS:"Before proceeding, there will be a personality test to best match this Demnica to your needs. Please respond to the following scenarios naturally, honestly, and without deliberation."



So yeah, READER PARTICIPATION TIME!



Demonica OS: "You are the sole survivor on a battlefield. You are hidden, with no ammunition in your pistol. You detect a single enemy approaching."



CHOICE ONE.




Demonica OS: "While infiltrating enemy territory, you spot the man who killed your comrade and closest friend. You can kill him easily, but the gunshot will expose you and your infiltration will be compromised. "




CHOICE TWO.



Demonica OS: "You have been in a remote area on a mission and your relief has not arrived on schedule. You can abort the mission and go home now, but you have enough supplies to stay here longer."




CHOICE THREE.



Demonica OS: "You are piloting a helicopter to refuel. En route, an ally under attack requests help. You can help him, but it will take your remaining fuel, and it will be difficult to leave afterward. Other pilots have also received the distress signal, but you are closest to his position."



FOURTH CHOICE.



Demonica OS: "On a mission in occupie territory, you are asked whethr to capture a religious leader who may be a spy. Catching a spy would be a great achievement, but the people may riot if this leader is captured."



CHOICE FIVE.



Demonica OS: "You have been sent to the Schwarzwelt, where conditions are expected to be harsh. Yet you have advanced equipment, a strong ship, the latest tech, and dependable comrades."



And this last one.

What should be chosen?

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

Ishida's about to make you his bitch.


I always get vitality focus when I answer the questions. I'm voting for Luck Focus

TurnipFritter
Apr 21, 2010

HUGE
DICKS
SLAPPING
MY
TENDER MOUTH


One:
Use Knife.

Two:
Find a way to do both.

Three:
Wait as long as you can.

Four:
Land, wait for allies.

Five:
Keep watching.

Six:
Yes.

Strange Matter
Oct 5, 2009

Ask me about Genocide


I don't know what the outcome of these answers are, but I know what Francis York would do!

Ditch the Gun and Use a Knife. York knows that melee weapons are more effective than firearms anyway.

Do nothing, for the Mission. York cannot accept an investigation mission failure.

Wait as long as you can. Hopefully your supply of lollipops and smoked salmon will last.

Hurry to rescue him. York never says no to a side mission!

Put him under house arrest. The long arm of the law must be respected.

Yes. York never fails to complete his mission!

Stanly Coober
Nov 4, 2008



Strange Matter posted:

I don't know what the outcome of these answers are, but I know what Francis York would do!

Ditch the Gun and Use a Knife. York knows that melee weapons are more effective than firearms anyway.

Do nothing, for the Mission. York cannot accept an investigation mission failure.

Wait as long as you can. Hopefully your supply of lollipops and smoked salmon will last.

Hurry to rescue him. York never says no to a side mission!

Put him under house arrest. The long arm of the law must be respected.

Yes. York never fails to complete his mission!

Because I have no idea what the answers do and because I love Francis York Morgan, these are also my answers.

rbakervv
Apr 1, 2008

For the Emperor!!


Could you perhaps crop off the bottom screen when there is nothing to show us? It would make the LP flow better in my opinion.

Luisfe
Aug 17, 2005

Hee-lo-ho!

rbakervv posted:

Could you perhaps crop off the bottom screen when there is nothing to show us? It would make the LP flow better in my opinion.

Will do so in subsequent updates. Hell I did it for the FIRST one, but eh.

Madrick11
Aug 6, 2011

An Angry Duck is approaching


1. Ditch the gun, and use a knife
2. Do nothing, for the mission
3. Wait as long as it takes
4. Hurry to rescue him
5. Keep watching him for now
6. Yes

The reason being, these choices give you a Strength based stat growth. I found that in this game Strength was especially important since it not only affects the damage of attacks with swords, knives etc. But it also affects the damage of your guns, including any elemental attacks from guns.

Confused Llama
Jan 14, 2008
The llama is a quadruped which lives in big rivers like the Amazon. It has two ears, a heart, a forehead, and a beak for eating honey. But it is provided with fins for swimming.

1. Ditch the gun and use a knife.
2. Do nothing, for the mission.
3. Wait as long as you can.
4. Refuel and let an ally take him.
5. Put him under house arrest.
6. I don't know.

Based entirely on personal inclination, because I haven't played this game and don't know what the actual results are in terms of game mechanics.

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

Making the world a better place, one ordeal at a time.

Einander posted:

I'm kind of amused that we have Feinne playing Mastema to Tallgeese's Metatron now. I disagree with the analysis, of course, but previous attempts to argue the point in these threads have made me empathize with the portrayal of YHWH in SMT: I, too, run out of the patience to coherently argue my point in favor of simply wishing to smite the infidels.

Is name voting still going on? It's a little unclear.

And by the way: The original soundtrack CD wasn't broken, IIRC. All the files were on the CD and functional, they just weren't in a format you could play if it was in anything but a computer. Atlus also had no actual checking that you actually bought the game when you asked for a replacement CD, which really seems like poor thinking...

Much as in Devil Survivor, once you fully realize the situation you will surely see that the only solution is to accept the gracious helping hand being extended to us.

Oh and speaking of the soundtrack I actually have a proper cd copy of the full one so if people are interested in some of the awesome stuff that isn't on the version we got like A Squandered Nation or Holy Miracle I could be convinced to hook you guys up.

Also go for that set of choices that leaves us Strength based that Madrick11 posted because just like Nocturne the main character's best stuff is all Strength based.

Oh yeah and as we go into this just remember this game isn't light-hearted poo poo like Persona or Devil Summoner, this is proper main series SMT up in here. The kind of thing where Gore's briefing should have just been: "Look to your left, look to your right. Everyone you saw in the room will die. If you're lucky you'll die before you have to see how they'll die. You probably won't be lucky."

Feinne fucked around with this message at Aug 7, 2011 around 05:38

Akarshi
Apr 23, 2011


Strange Matter posted:

I don't know what the outcome of these answers are, but I know what Francis York would do!

Ditch the Gun and Use a Knife. York knows that melee weapons are more effective than firearms anyway.

Do nothing, for the Mission. York cannot accept an investigation mission failure.

Wait as long as you can. Hopefully your supply of lollipops and smoked salmon will last.

Hurry to rescue him. York never says no to a side mission!

Put him under house arrest. The long arm of the law must be respected.

Yes. York never fails to complete his mission!
I completely forgot what these answers do since I haven't played in ages (and never finished this game, I really should get around to beating it sometime), but I am thirding this because this is also what I would personally be most inclined to pick.

Sir Unimaginative
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




1) Hide. Bringing a knife to a gunfight is senseless, ammo may not be available, and whatever the spoils are, good luck defending it with like one guy.

2) Do nothing. Missions can be compromised by personal bullshit even after the objectives have been achieved.

3) Wait as long as you can. Can't leave if we can help it, but our intel won't go anywhere if we're dead.

4) Hurry to the rescue. Defending our comrade is just plain smart, and we can hold out until the other parties stop by.

5) Keep watching. House arrest goes over about as well as an actual perp-walk. If you're lucky.

6) Yes. Otherwise why are we here?

Brandy Collins
Sep 17, 2009



1. Stay hidden until he passes
2. Find a way to do both
3. Wait as long as you can
4. Land nearby, wait for allies
5. Bring him in immediately
6. I don't know.

President Ark
May 16, 2010

Looks like you got a good deal there!

Strange Matter posted:

I don't know what the outcome of these answers are, but I know what Francis York would do!

Ditch the Gun and Use a Knife. York knows that melee weapons are more effective than firearms anyway.

Do nothing, for the Mission. York cannot accept an investigation mission failure.

Wait as long as you can. Hopefully your supply of lollipops and smoked salmon will last.

Hurry to rescue him. York never says no to a side mission!

Put him under house arrest. The long arm of the law must be respected.

Yes. York never fails to complete his mission!

Fourthed. Let's go whole hog on this.

PlasmaMan
Sep 6, 2009

I LIED


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Tallgeese
May 11, 2008

SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Reading this user's posts causes Eye Rolling, Vomiting, Brain Cancer, and may complicate pregnancy.

Feinne posted:

Much as in Devil Survivor, once you fully realize the situation you will surely see that the only solution is to accept the gracious helping hand being extended to us.

This man speaks the truth. It is severely difficult to justify any ending but Law's on an objective level. However, once emotional attachments enter the picture, the waters of intellectual thought become significantly more murky.

The above having been said, it is my observation that goons love to trumpet about being more objective and rational compared to the general populace. Thus, it follows that if they actually practice what they preach to any significant degree they'll go Law when the time comes. The question, of course, is whether goons actually are as rational as they tend to say. I'm not so certain myself.

As an aside, one thing I have to know is how do you feel about being the Mastema to my Metatron, hahahaha.

Also, yeah you should probably provide those tracks. If for whatever reason you cannot, I have excellent quality versions as well and can upload.

EDIT: Also, Madrick's choices are the optimal choices. Use them.

Anticheese
Feb 13, 2008

$60,000,000 sexbot


Strange Matter posted:

I don't know what the outcome of these answers are, but I know what Francis York would do!

Ditch the Gun and Use a Knife. York knows that melee weapons are more effective than firearms anyway.

Do nothing, for the Mission. York cannot accept an investigation mission failure.

Wait as long as you can. Hopefully your supply of lollipops and smoked salmon will last.

Hurry to rescue him. York never says no to a side mission!

Put him under house arrest. The long arm of the law must be respected.

Yes. York never fails to complete his mission!

Very York of you. I vote for this.

Cityinthesea
Aug 7, 2009


I love Jimenez also get a Magic focus even though I got a vitality focus on my current playthrough and his highest stat is magic...

Jeabus Mahogany
Feb 13, 2011

I'm mad because of a thorn in my impenetrable hide

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Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

Making the world a better place, one ordeal at a time.

Tallgeese posted:

This man speaks the truth. It is severely difficult to justify any ending but Law's on an objective level. However, once emotional attachments enter the picture, the waters of intellectual thought become significantly more murky.

The above having been said, it is my observation that goons love to trumpet about being more objective and rational compared to the general populace. Thus, it follows that if they actually practice what they preach to any significant degree they'll go Law when the time comes. The question, of course, is whether goons actually are as rational as they tend to say. I'm not so certain myself.

As an aside, one thing I have to know is how do you feel about being the Mastema to my Metatron, hahahaha.

Also, yeah you should probably provide those tracks. If for whatever reason you cannot, I have excellent quality versions as well and can upload.

EDIT: Also, Madrick's choices are the optimal choices. Use them.

For all the talk of rationality, there is far too much love of 'forging your own path' for its own sake to accept that sometimes it doesn't matter how much you try, how hard you work, the new world you create will never get any better. When we get to the end of this after the thread inevitably chooses the Neutral path simply to be contrary I'll point out why even ATLUS has clearly softened their heart to Law and the portrayal of Law characters in the story has borne that out.

I'm not sure how he was intending it but I'm choosing to take it positively (though not as positively as if I'd been the Remiel to your Metatron obviously).

Einander
Sep 14, 2008


All I can say on the ending choice is: There's more to life than mere survival.

And come on, Feinne, you are totally the Mastema here. You only show up in this game (thread), and you currently appear kinder and gentler but we are as of yet unsure whether or not you're going to hulk out and get your smite on for Law. It totally fits.

Voting:

1. Stay hidden
2. Do nothing
3. Wait as long as you can
4. Land nearby
5. Keep watching

Haifisch
Nov 12, 2010

Most things in the world aren't black, aren't white, aren't wrong, aren't right, but most of everything is just different.


Strange Matter posted:

I don't know what the outcome of these answers are, but I know what Francis York would do!

Ditch the Gun and Use a Knife. York knows that melee weapons are more effective than firearms anyway.

Do nothing, for the Mission. York cannot accept an investigation mission failure.

Wait as long as you can. Hopefully your supply of lollipops and smoked salmon will last.

Hurry to rescue him. York never says no to a side mission!

Put him under house arrest. The long arm of the law must be respected.

Yes. York never fails to complete his mission!
Also voting for this. I have no idea what any of these answers will do, but it'll be more fun than watching Luisfe powergame through this.

Tallgeese
May 11, 2008

SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Reading this user's posts causes Eye Rolling, Vomiting, Brain Cancer, and may complicate pregnancy.

Einander posted:

All I can say on the ending choice is: There's more to life than mere survival.

And come on, Feinne, you are totally the Mastema here. You only show up in this game (thread), and you currently appear kinder and gentler but we are as of yet unsure whether or not you're going to hulk out and get your smite on for Law. It totally fits.

What do you mean by that? The Neutral ending is pretty much all about surviving and keeping the status quo, and the Chaos ending is by definition survival/thriving of the most powerful. So by your own words you support Law, as it accomplishes something not tied to survival at all.

Also, Feinne showed up in the SMT1 thread and threw his lot in with the righteous path of Law. Presumably he will do the same when the time comes in the Devil Survivor LP. So it may be that he will be better compared to Remiel eventually.

Cyphoderus
Apr 21, 2010

I'll have you know, foxes have the finest call in nature


Strange Matter posted:

I don't know what the outcome of these answers are, but I know what Francis York would do!

Ditch the Gun and Use a Knife. York knows that melee weapons are more effective than firearms anyway.

Do nothing, for the Mission. York cannot accept an investigation mission failure.

Wait as long as you can. Hopefully your supply of lollipops and smoked salmon will last.

Hurry to rescue him. York never says no to a side mission!

Put him under house arrest. The long arm of the law must be respected.

Yes. York never fails to complete his mission!

Alright, let's go with this.

SgtSteel91
Oct 21, 2010


I also vote for Strange Matter's choice.

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Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

Making the world a better place, one ordeal at a time.

Tallgeese posted:

What do you mean by that? The Neutral ending is pretty much all about surviving and keeping the status quo, and the Chaos ending is by definition survival/thriving of the most powerful. So by your own words you support Law, as it accomplishes something not tied to survival at all.

Also, Feinne showed up in the SMT1 thread and threw his lot in with the righteous path of Law. Presumably he will do the same when the time comes in the Devil Survivor LP. So it may be that he will be better compared to Remiel eventually.

Law is without any question the only proper choice in any of the modern SMT games (and almost every choice is a Law choice in some of the earlier ones, even the Chaos choice).

Also on an earlier discussion of dungeons, while Sectors E and H are certainly frustrating they don't have that rear end in a top hat dungeon edge that you get from the proper version of Persona that has restored the difficulty to its intended level and doesn't hold your hand by there being a useful map at all.

Feinne fucked around with this message at Aug 7, 2011 around 15:20

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