Search Amazon.com:
Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us $3,400 per month for bandwidth bills alone, and since we don't believe in shoving popup ads to our registered users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
«101 »
  • Post
  • Reply
Drox
Aug 9, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Zero VGS posted:

Thanks, I'm not sure which setting it was but something in the controls category did fix it. I made it to level 11. Speaking of which...

http://bumped.org/psublog/phantasy-...provement-list/

When boss enemies appear in a multiparty area, their name may have a prefix attached. These bosses in particular have stronger powers and abilities, even changing the abilities of enemies nearby.

Awesome.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Sire Oblivion
Apr 22, 2008

Down the Rabbit Hole.


Vince Videogames posted:

MAN, that music!! It sounds like they got the same guy who did PSO's back!

Seriously, the PSO had the chillest soundtrack ever and it's half the reason I might pick this up.

Buried alive
Jun 8, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 37 hours!


This is something I haven't seen in any videos so far, so I'm wondering if it's still in the game at all. PSO & PSU had what was basically a to-hit roll to determine if you made contact with an enemy or not. So it was possible to successfully land a blow, but then 'miss' would pop up in PSO or you'd just deal 0 damage in PSU. Is that still in, or is it out? I hated that particular feature as it was responsible for so many hits that otherwise I wouldn't have taken.

AndyAML
Jul 24, 2006

HEY BASS WHY MUST I FIGHT YOU WE ARE NOT ENEMIES


A bit of bad news.

Sega's filed a copyright complaint on the volcano video, so I've deleted the other video as a precaution. The videos will be re-uploaded but they're going to be set as Unlisted this time so they shouldn't get taken down. I'll edit this post with the old videos as they're uploaded.

On the other hand, have another look at the Forest, this time with some rare wired lances, Just Guarding, and a boss fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51eoTE0XtMU

Edit: Forest video is done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz1oXPJSai0

Double edit: Volcano video is now back as well, this time in better quality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1kX8Pszpq0

Buried alive posted:

This is something I haven't seen in any videos so far, so I'm wondering if it's still in the game at all. PSO & PSU had what was basically a to-hit roll to determine if you made contact with an enemy or not. So it was possible to successfully land a blow, but then 'miss' would pop up in PSO or you'd just deal 0 damage in PSU. Is that still in, or is it out? I hated that particular feature as it was responsible for so many hits that otherwise I wouldn't have taken.
I'm happy to say that there is no more missing upon striking an enemy. If you connect with an enemy, you do damage. Simple as that.

AndyAML fucked around with this message at Jan 28, 2012 around 21:06

Surprise Noodle
Aug 25, 2011


Not only is there no missing, but accuracy isn't even a stat anymore. Instead, some enemies can block your attacks entirely if you do not position yourself and time your attacks carefully.

Edoraz
Nov 20, 2007

Takin ova da world


Surprise Noodle posted:

Not only is there no missing, but accuracy isn't even a stat anymore. Instead, some enemies can block your attacks entirely if you do not position yourself and time your attacks carefully.

Those new Dimenians in the Volcano were blocking, and those monkeys in the Forest were actually dodging attacks. In normal mode. I imagine very hard being interesting.

Xavier434
Dec 4, 2002



Surprise Noodle posted:

Not only is there no missing, but accuracy isn't even a stat anymore. Instead, some enemies can block your attacks entirely if you do not position yourself and time your attacks carefully.

Thank the gods. I really disliked how rare weapons in PSO were considered near worthless without hit.

Dawnfire
Aug 25, 2011


AndyAML posted:

A bit of bad news.

Sega's filed a copyright complaint on the volcano video, so I've deleted the other video as a precaution. The videos will be re-uploaded but they're going to be set as Unlisted this time so they shouldn't get taken down. I'll edit this post with the old videos as they're uploaded.

On the other hand, have another look at the Forest, this time with some rare wired lances, Just Guarding, and a boss fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51eoTE0XtMU

Great vid, these forest areas keep having some great and fitting PSO type music. How tough is it to pull of Just Guarding? You seem to do it pretty frequently during the boss fight. Can you stop attacking and block mid combos?

I love that wire lance PA too, particularly when he whiffs an enemy on the grab and decides to just skewer some particularly heavy air and swings that around menacingly.

AndyAML
Jul 24, 2006

HEY BASS WHY MUST I FIGHT YOU WE ARE NOT ENEMIES


Dawnfire posted:

Great vid, these forest areas keep having some great and fitting PSO type music. How tough is it to pull of Just Guarding? You seem to do it pretty frequently during the boss fight. Can you stop attacking and block mid combos?

I love that wire lance PA too, particularly when he whiffs an enemy on the grab and decides to just skewer some particularly heavy air and swings that around menacingly.

To successfully perform a Just Guard you need to block right before the enemy is about to hit you. Too early and you'll perform a regular guard that still deals damage to you and also drains a portion of your PP. Too late and you'll just take the hit. At the moment, the only weapons you can Just Guard with are wired lances and swords, which means only Hunters can do it, and they have to unlock prerequisite skills beforehand. Although swords swing slower, they're generally easier to cancel into a block, compared to wired lances that require more planning in order to block mid-combo.

Wired lance PAs are interesting because they work differently on large enemies or targettables. In the example shown in the video, I got caught in a trap that requires you to break it before the meter runs down and it explodes. The lance grabbed the trap, which can't actually be spun, so it materialized an energy sphere to use for the rest of the PA. This behaviour also happens in situations with lag - if it can't actually grab the enemy due to not having received data from the server, you'll pull out an orb as well.

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
"It has gunfights and shit!"

Not that this was ever a part of the original PSO's, but is there any way to determine enemy or boss health? I was in a Code: Duel with two of those Rock Bears or whatever they were, and with three level 10's we fought them for over a half hour straight and couldn't kill them. Sometimes they would drop for a few seconds and get back up, as if we were supposed to run up and finish them in some kind of God of War style QTE, but no such luck.

Edit: Also why the gently caress did Sega pull your vid. I can't believe you actually humored them by putting in the copyright and disclaimers like they asked for too. They must have a PR guy that they pay to do that all day.

Zero VGS fucked around with this message at Jan 28, 2012 around 23:59

Dawnfire
Aug 25, 2011


AndyAML posted:

To successfully perform a Just Guard you need to block right before the enemy is about to hit you. Too early and you'll perform a regular guard that still deals damage to you and also drains a portion of your PP. Too late and you'll just take the hit. At the moment, the only weapons you can Just Guard with are wired lances and swords, which means only Hunters can do it, and they have to unlock prerequisite skills beforehand. Although swords swing slower, they're generally easier to cancel into a block, compared to wired lances that require more planning in order to block mid-combo.

Wired lance PAs are interesting because they work differently on large enemies or targettables. In the example shown in the video, I got caught in a trap that requires you to break it before the meter runs down and it explodes. The lance grabbed the trap, which can't actually be spun, so it materialized an energy sphere to use for the rest of the PA. This behaviour also happens in situations with lag - if it can't actually grab the enemy due to not having received data from the server, you'll pull out an orb as well.

Interesting, I imagine most melee weapons will be able to block then? Save for special cases like the gunslash? I wonder if there'll be a shield type weapon like from PSP2, maybe with a larger window for just guarding.

Forgot to comment on it earlier, but those unit accessories look incredibly cool. Is there an option to turn them off though? Visually, that is. For the not so cool looking ones.

Surprise Noodle
Aug 25, 2011


Yep, Just go into the unit menu, click on the unit and select the stealth option and they won't display on your character.


Anyway, if anyone wants to know anything specific about force gameplay, you can throw your questions my way. In response to an earlier question, charged Resta makes the sound from PSU, whereas uncharged Resta makes a slightly different sound (not sure if it's the one from PSO).

AndyAML
Jul 24, 2006

HEY BASS WHY MUST I FIGHT YOU WE ARE NOT ENEMIES


Zero VGS posted:

Not that this was ever a part of the original PSO's, but is there any way to determine enemy or boss health? I was in a Code: Duel with two of those Rock Bears or whatever they were, and with three level 10's we fought them for over a half hour straight and couldn't kill them. Sometimes they would drop for a few seconds and get back up, as if we were supposed to run up and finish them in some kind of God of War style QTE, but no such luck.

Edit: Also why the gently caress did Sega pull your vid. I can't believe you actually humored them by putting in the copyright and disclaimers like they asked for too. They must have a PR guy that they pay to do that all day.
There doesn't seem to be any way to determine enemy health. As for dealing with Rockbears, they'll become enraged after you do enough damage, though I'm not sure of the exact threshold. When they fall over it's because they whiffed one of their attacks, so that's your chance to jump in and get some free damage. Look for their tells and act accordingly.

As for the video situation, I'm not the only one who's had YouTube takedowns issued from Sega. We'll see what happens, I suppose. Technically we're not even supposed to be playing this alpha.

Dawnfire posted:

Interesting, I imagine most melee weapons will be able to block then? Save for special cases like the gunslash? I wonder if there'll be a shield type weapon like from PSP2, maybe with a larger window for just guarding.
Too early to say at this point. Keep in mind this is still an alpha version and there are only 5 weapon types so far.

Dawnfire
Aug 25, 2011


Surprise Noodle posted:

Yep, Just go into the unit menu, click on the unit and select the stealth option and they won't display on your character.


Anyway, if anyone wants to know anything specific about force gameplay, you can throw your questions my way. In response to an earlier question, charged Resta makes the sound from PSU, whereas uncharged Resta makes a slightly different sound (not sure if it's the one from PSO).

Oh good, I actually was expecting an answer to the opposite effect. Glad they thought ahead on that one. Though, most of the ones I've seen so far in the images look incredibly cool.

AndyAML posted:

Too early to say at this point. Keep in mind this is still an alpha version and there are only 5 weapon types so far.

Guess you're right, thanks then for all the info so far. Can't wait to hear what other weapon types they have in store.

Drox
Aug 9, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


I hope they bring back mechguns. I want to remake my FOmar with TP drain mechguns!

Sentient Toaster
May 7, 2007
Not the fork, Master!

Drox posted:

I hope they bring back mechguns. I want to remake my FOmar with TP drain mechguns!
I'll admit recent mechgun incarnations have been less than impressive, but twin handguns have been pretty great for a while. I don't doubt that whatever Sega has in store for us won't disappoint after seeing that assault rifle with grenade PAs.

Surprise Noodle
Aug 25, 2011


In case anyone is trying to get into tonight's alpha test and is wondering why they can't, the servers were just taken offline for emergency maintenance. I think they are extending the test by a few hours to compensate once the servers come back up.

AndyAML
Jul 24, 2006

HEY BASS WHY MUST I FIGHT YOU WE ARE NOT ENEMIES


Two more videos. This time I've got some Ranger gameplay, another boss, and a lot of perfect blocking.

RAnewearl mission:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JA4NxnXHjs

Catadoran boss battle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X62WjWFxYk

Not much time left in the alpha now. I'll do a full writeup of my experiences once it ends.

Dawnfire
Aug 25, 2011


AndyAML posted:

Two more videos. This time I've got some Ranger gameplay, another boss, and a lot of perfect blocking.

RAnewearl mission:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JA4NxnXHjs

Catadoran boss battle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X62WjWFxYk

Not much time left in the alpha now. I'll do a full writeup of my experiences once it ends.

Rangers look like a ton more fun now, having their own unique and interesting PAs. I also like how the rifles fire more like assault rifles now, with attached grenade launchers. I'm really regretting not applying for the alpha test now, even if I would have had loads of trouble trying to go through the process.

Complexcalibur
Mar 11, 2007

NUOOOOAAAGH


Are there any up close screenshots of the RANewm/Newearl classes? There's the video that was posted, but it's mostly just staring at the person's back.

just a butt
Jan 1, 2010

Hello? Is anyone there?


No.

They're just wearing default clothing for other classes cause their costumes haven't been finalized/revealed yet.

AndyAML
Jul 24, 2006

HEY BASS WHY MUST I FIGHT YOU WE ARE NOT ENEMIES


ThemeMusicC posted:

Are there any up close screenshots of the RANewm/Newearl classes? There's the video that was posted, but it's mostly just staring at the person's back.

The thing about costumes in PSO2 is that they're no longer class-limited, so you can choose whatever outfit you like. You can run a Hunter wearing a Force robe or a Ranger in Hunter clothes, so the only difference is going to be racial features like the Newman pointy ears. Still, here are the default RAnewm and RAnewearl appearances as shown in the character creator:

RAnewm


RAnewearl

Surprise Noodle
Aug 25, 2011


Blog updated, here's the concept art for the RAnewm design:



Kinda space cowboy-ish.

Schubalts
Nov 25, 2007

A beast to kill a beast...


Male Newmans continue to be pimp as hell no matter what their class is. He's even got Space Shades.

hamburgers in pockets
Jun 18, 2005

Yeah, that's blood. It'll get better before the show.

So RAnewm is a..Space Red Mage? I can get behind that idea.

One and the Same
Jan 19, 2008

******************!!!!!

Im so glad they brought back the cowboy hat from ps0.

Dawnfire
Aug 25, 2011


He looks like a techno cowboy with the hat and duster, he even has Adam Jensen-esque shades. We just need dual handguns to be confirmed and all your space cowboy dreams you had will now be fulfilled in PSO2.

Surprise Noodle
Aug 25, 2011


So...would anyone be interested in seeing some spritesheets for icons that were datamined out of the client, or would the thread rather not go down the path of rampant speculation?

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
"It has gunfights and shit!"

Eh, nothing else is happening in the lull between alpha and beta, might as will link it.

Mediocrity Goggles
Mar 20, 2009

Looking at it the wrong way.


Yeah, I'd like to see some of that, especially if it reveals some things we didn't see in alpha 2.

aldantefax
Oct 10, 2007

ALWAYS BE MECHFISHIN'

Hey post that cool stuff up man.

Surprise Noodle
Aug 25, 2011


Ok well you asked for it. All of these are linked (because they are big) and the latter two have had the background color changed so as to better display certain almost transparent icons.

The first one isn't very interesting, just some pieces of UI windows and chat balloons and the like:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9259868/ui_balloon.png


Next up, we have this enormous array of weapon/item/skill/etc. images, which may give some clues about the number of weapons and such:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9259868/ui_icon_alpha2.png
Of note here, there appears to be space for a total of 7 melee weapons (including gunslash and probably fists/knuckles), 3 ranged weapons, and 3 tech weapons. We're probably also looking at 5 techs per element, though that one is a bit more in the realm of pure speculation. Also featured in this image is the icon for what can only be Scape Doll, and a few previously unmentioned female clothing sets.


Then, here's a sheet of icons from the first alpha client:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9259868/pso...transparent.png
And here's the equivalent from the second alpha client:
http://i.imgur.com/SbY8p.png
While a lot of the small icons are anyone's guess at this point, a few things can be deduced. First of all, the weapon icon placement here seems to corroborate the information discussed above (which also matches some strings of data found in the client). Notice also that there appear to be icons for sub-classes on this sheet. It seems that they decided to blank out icons by making them all lime green instead of just deleting them, which was kind of boneheaded thing to do, because now we've got three extra icons that perfectly match up with the H/R/F icons for Hunter/Ranger/Force. The three new ones are G/F/T, current speculation is Gunner/Fighter/Techer, but feel free to draw your own conclusions and get over-hyped over stuff that could just as easily have been the icon guy getting bored and doodling some stuff they never even plan to use.


In non-image related datamining news, there's some evidence that there will likely be two (possibly more) areas per planet. Naverius will likely have both Forest and "IceWall" (you can see snowy mountains in the distance pretty much everywhere in the forest), and Amduscia will have Caves and "DragonLand" (perhaps the dragonkin RIZARDMAN guys have their home on those floating islands in the sky?).

Handgun Harlot
Jan 26, 2003

Pew Pew Q


Weren't all or most of the tech names already ripped from the first alpha? Also, seeing as how PSP2 had 24 different weapon types, I think it's pretty silly to assume that PSO2 will only have seven. Isn't there anything more definitive to speculate on, or is this all you have?

Millions
Sep 13, 2007

Time may change me
But I can't trace time


Surprise Noodle posted:

And here's the equivalent from the second alpha client:
http://i.imgur.com/SbY8p.png

So is there any particular reason that Playstation 3 and Xbox360 buttons have their own symbols in a game that is "not being designed for consoles"? Because I'm getting awful excited at the potential for a secret PS3 version.

just a butt
Jan 1, 2010

Hello? Is anyone there?


No.

Because for at least the 360 controller the game will change the in-game UI tooltips to match if you plug one in.

One and the Same
Jan 19, 2008

******************!!!!!

Well, that certainly is intetesting! I hope it comes to consoles, I have some friends who would be more likely to play if it were.

Handgun Harlot
Jan 26, 2003

Pew Pew Q


Lots of PC games have icons for xbox 360 controllers. I've been playing Saints Row 3 on PC with a 360 controller, and it replaces all of the in-game key prompts with the appropriate controller buttons on the screen.

It's not coming to consoles for a couple years after the PC release, if it ever does. By now, console hardware is at the lower end of PC setups, and this is coming from someone who only plays like three games on PC.

Surprise Noodle
Aug 25, 2011


Justice posted:

Weren't all or most of the tech names already ripped from the first alpha?
Well, most of them, yes, but it wasn't clear if those would be all of the techs for each element. Also, wind techs are still completely missing and there is the mystery of why the charged version of Zodial is listed as a dark tech.

Justice posted:

Also, seeing as how PSP2 had 24 different weapon types, I think it's pretty silly to assume that PSO2 will only have seven. Isn't there anything more definitive to speculate on, or is this all you have?
I count 28 in PSP2, and PSO2 seems to have 13. I agree that it seems somewhat paltry, but it isn't really beyond reason. Many of the weapon types in the PSU series were just single/dual handed versions of each other, and PSO2 already seems to be consolidating weapons. For example, saber and handgun are both accounted for with Gunslash.

Unfortunately, this is basically all we have to go on right now. Like I said, it's all speculation, but there has been some data found that corroborates the notion of 13 weapons. I'm fairly certain that there have also been references to twin daggers and double sabers found somewhere in the data, so we're probably looking at a melee lineup of Gunslash, Sword, Knuckles, Wired Lance, Double Saber, Twin Daggers, and one other weapon (Partisans? Slicers? Who knows?). As far as ranged and tech weaponry goes, Launchers, Wands, and Cards seem likely to be in, but it's anyone's guess at this point.


And with regards to the 360/PS3 button icons, like others have stated, that's just because the game changes the UI icons based on the type of controller you are using. I wouldn't read much into it beyond that.

Surprise Noodle fucked around with this message at Feb 11, 2012 around 07:46

Handgun Harlot
Jan 26, 2003

Pew Pew Q


PSP2 has 28 if you include the twin weapons, so that's 24 unique weapon types. We're not going to see even half of what PSO2 has until the open beta finishes.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

One and the Same
Jan 19, 2008

******************!!!!!

PSO is all about variety, I would be really suprised if it was limited to just that.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply
«101 »