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Schweinhund: Oct 23, 2004

blastron posted:

Is the minecart actually necessary for the timing circuit, or is it just there to show that Minecraft circuits make no loving sense?

Well, I'm sure there's other ways to do it without a minecart, but this works and it's not too too complex. And yeah it's necessary here if that's what you're asking. If you put the lever one way it goes right to left, then when you toggle it again it goes left to right, so things are triggered in different orders.

Of course if the 1 repeater thing works, he should use that, but I don't see how it does.

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# ? May 22, 2013 06:24

Spectral Werewolf: Jun 15, 2006; And if that wasn't funny, there were lots of things that weren't even funnier...

Schweinhund posted:

This works:

I had some hope for a simple solution, but this looks doable, thanks.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 00:35

arhra: Jun 27, 2006

Schweinhund posted:

Of course if the 1 repeater thing works, he should use that, but I don't see how it does.

The repeater just ensures that both pistons are triggered "simultaneously". Which in minecraft terms means that in some configurations it will always work, and in some it will always not work.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 00:36

Greedish: Nov 5, 2009; what does this say
i don't even know
help

I'm the worst at finding diamonds, does anyone have a way of finding more? I haven't found one and one of my friends is at 17.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 00:39

lohli: Jun 30, 2008

Greedish posted:

I'm the worst at finding diamonds, does anyone have a way of finding more? I haven't found one and one of my friends is at 17.

You could cheat and use an xray texture pack like Strongestcraft

# ? Nov 24, 2011 00:42

Cream-of-Plenty: Apr 21, 2010; Mass extinction, darling, hypocrisy. These things are not good for me. Do you see what I see, dear?

Schwarzwald posted:

You should be able to make mushroom stew without a workbench. Stew not stacking wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem then.

I don't think any foods should be made at a workbench. It's a pretty dumb concept. Here, let me take this wheat to my workbench so I can make some bread.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 00:43

Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005; элита хакера

Notch gets his own hat in Team Fortress 2:

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# ? Nov 24, 2011 00:43

lohli: Jun 30, 2008

Trabisnikof posted:

Notch gets his own hat in Team Fortress 2:

After reading the text I was expecting a vagina with a hat tbh.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 00:45

Greedish: Nov 5, 2009; what does this say
i don't even know
help

lohli posted:

You could cheat and use an xray texture pack like Strongestcraft

If I want to cheat I'll just give myself 99 diamonds, I just want an efficient way to look for the bastards.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 00:46

lohli: Jun 30, 2008

Greedish posted:

If I want to cheat I'll just give myself 99 diamonds, I just want an efficient way to look for the bastards.

Well it's largely a matter of chance, but instead of just digging through the walls you should try exploring a deep cave because the surface of a larger number of blocks is exposed at once so you can at least cover a relatively large amount of space over quite a short time.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 00:56

mr sad: Jun 2, 2000; I'll put this coal to use!

lohli posted:

Well it's largely a matter of chance, but instead of just digging through the walls you should try exploring a deep cave because the surface of a larger number of blocks is exposed at once so you can at least cover a relatively large amount of space over quite a short time.

Also, carry around a bucket of water. If you're exploring caves at that depth, you're going to run into a lot of lava pools, and it's a lot faster to dump water on them than it is to build dangerous bridges over them or mine around them.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 00:59

Mushrooman: Apr 16, 2003; Disco Dancin'

Schwarzwald posted:

You should be able to make mushroom stew without a workbench. Stew not stacking wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem then.

You don't need a workbench to make mushroom stew.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 01:21

thylacine: Dec 30, 2008; ride bikes everyday

Greedish posted:

I'm the worst at finding diamonds, does anyone have a way of finding more? I haven't found one and one of my friends is at 17.

They are in the bottom 16 levels. Dig around there, a lot. Sometimes there just aren't any around, but if you stick to those levels you should find something.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 01:30

Allen Wren: Feb 27, 2008

Mushrooman posted:

You don't need a workbench to make mushroom stew.

What? Of course you do. You need the bench to make the bowls (three wide) and then you need it to make the stew (three tall).

# ? Nov 24, 2011 01:40

Montalvo: Sep 3, 2007

i like tacos posted:

Sure thing

Thanks! I'm going to build a big castle in the sand.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 01:45

wyoming: Jun 7, 2010; Like a television
tuned to a dead channel.

Schweinhund posted:

This works:

Hah, I'd forgotten about detector rails, this is a thing of beauty.

Allen Wren posted:

What? Of course you do. You need the bench to make the bowls (three wide) and then you need it to make the stew (three tall).

True you need a bench to make the bowls, but you don't need to do the mushrooms three tall. At one time I'm pretty sure you had to, but now, any combination of bowl and two mushrooms seems to work.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 01:47

A Sassy Dog: Feb 3, 2011; Mo' Problems

Cream-of-Plenty posted:

I don't think any foods should be made at a workbench. It's a pretty dumb concept. Here, let me take this wheat to my workbench so I can make some bread.

I want bread to be made in a furnace (possibly with a step between wheat and the finished product) and everything else to be made on a kitchen appliance-type block. Notch had originally planned for it (at least briefly). I vaguely remember a Word of Notch post implying that foods at the workbench was temporary and that another block was being considered.

But, of course, this is all

# ? Nov 24, 2011 01:50

Goreld: May 8, 2002; "Identity Crisis" MurdererWild Guess Bizarro #1Bizarro"Me am first one I suspect!"

Schweinhund posted:

Well, I'm sure there's other ways to do it without a minecart, but this works and it's not too too complex. And yeah it's necessary here if that's what you're asking. If you put the lever one way it goes right to left, then when you toggle it again it goes left to right, so things are triggered in different orders.

Of course if the 1 repeater thing works, he should use that, but I don't see how it does.

Although I stay away from redstone circuits for sanity reasons, that reminds me of a SR Latch. It's a fundamental building block of just about any type of electronics (including CPU's), and the reason you have to use it has to do with instability in electrical signals. It more or less converts an analog circuit into a true digital signal. It's also one of the first things you learn in electrical engineering classt.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 02:04

Frock Lobster: Jun 11, 2010

Allen Wren posted:

What? Of course you do. You need the bench to make the bowls (three wide) and then you need it to make the stew (three tall).

Nope. They changed it. All you need is a bowl, brown mushroom, and red mushroom in the crafting grid. You can arrange them any way you like.

You do still need a bench for the bowls, though.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 02:18

Vib Rib: Jul 23, 2007; God damn this shit is
fuckin' re-dic-a-liss

Schwarzwald posted:

You should be able to make mushroom stew without a workbench. Stew not stacking wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem then.

It doesn't matter. Being able to stack other foods up to 64 in a single square is the nail in the coffin for mushroom stew. Three stacks of items (bowls, 1 of each mushroom) only makes as much food as 1 stack of steaks, and fills less.
Mushroom stew was useful once, because as hard as it was to acquire, it healed a lot. Now it's basically pointless.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 02:22

Spoggerific: May 28, 2009

I think the reason it's not stackable is because it has to leave behind a bowl, and making it do that while being stackable would require programming in some new behavior. I'm not familiar enough with Minecraft's code to know how simple or difficult that would be, though.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 02:28

Vib Rib: Jul 23, 2007; God damn this shit is
fuckin' re-dic-a-liss

It really shouldn't have to leave behind the bowl.
I don't really need that bowl back, game.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 02:53

Fledgling Gulps: Jul 4, 2007; I'll meet you in Meereen,
we'll grub out.

^^^ new use for cauldrons: cleaning dirty bowls

Stew is my primary food because mushrooms are much more common now (spawned near a swamp) and I killed off all the local fauna before I bothered making a farm.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 03:01

Jamesman: Nov 19, 2004; "First off, let me start by saying curly light blond hair does not suit Hyomin at all. Furthermore,"

Mastiff posted:

Also, carry around a bucket of water. If you're exploring caves at that depth, you're going to run into a lot of lava pools, and it's a lot faster to dump water on them than it is to build dangerous bridges over them or mine around them.

Aren't diamonds more likely to appear around lava though? Digging out a safer route around a lava pool just means you might find a diamond cluster that you'd otherwise have missed.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 03:31

Eiba: Jul 26, 2007

Schweinhund posted:

This works:

This is pretty brilliant. I wasn't paying attention to the conversation, and didn't know what problem this solved, but after staring at the picture for long enough I realized that it was the perfect solution to a very similar piston sequence problem I actually ran into ages ago.

I think you can achieve the functionality you're interested in with just repeaters... but the wiring in this is actually pretty simple in comparison. At least, I understand it a lot better. It certainly takes up more space, but that's okay. It's pretty neat.

Edit:

Jamesman posted:

Aren't diamonds more likely to appear around lava though? Digging out a safer route around a lava pool just means you might find a diamond cluster that you'd otherwise have missed.

Pretty sure that's a myth. They're more common around the lava layer, but not lava itself.

And even if you're digging all around the lava, you're still going to want to turn it into obsidian first, because gently caress lava. It kills you and destroys all your stuff. Whenever you see it, as soon as you see it, kill it. Kill it with water.

Eiba fucked around with this message at Nov 24, 2011 around 03:41

# ? Nov 24, 2011 03:39

Jelly: Feb 11, 2004; PEANUT BUTTER IS NOT MY FATHER

^edit: Beaten in every way.

Jamesman posted:

Aren't diamonds more likely to appear around lava though? Digging out a safer route around a lava pool just means you might find a diamond cluster that you'd otherwise have missed.

I'm fairly certain this is a coincidence of depth, not a rule. As diamonds and lava flows are found at the same depth, you are often going to find one near the other. I doubt strip mining around lava pools will net you any more diamonds than strip mining anywhere else at that depth.

Often diamonds are already visible around lava (because of the natural caves that generally accompany it) and using water will more often than not allow you to mine them out without lava flowing in to destroy the diamond you just mined, or kill you.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 03:46

Tuxedo Catfish: Mar 17, 2007; You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Greedish posted:

I'm the worst at finding diamonds, does anyone have a way of finding more? I haven't found one and one of my friends is at 17.

Dig down to height 12, then mine out a pattern like this:

code:

###0###0###0###0###0###
###0###0###0###0###0###
###0###0###0###0###0###
00000000000000000000000
###0#X#0###0###0###0###
###0###0###0###0###0###
###0###0###0###0###0###

Where # is walls, 0 is mined out shafts and X is your return ladder.

This won't find 100% of all diamonds but it's so close it doesn't really matter.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 04:05

Dotcom656: Apr 7, 2007; I WILL TAKE BETTER PICTURES OF MY DRAWINGS BEFORE POSTING THEM

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

Dig down to height 12, then mine out a pattern like this:
code:
###0###0###0###0###0###
###0###0###0###0###0###
###0###0###0###0###0###
00000000000000000000000
###0#X#0###0###0###0###
###0###0###0###0###0###
###0###0###0###0###0###
Where # is walls, 0 is mined out shafts and X is your return ladder.

This won't find 100% of all diamonds but it's so close it doesn't really matter.

This brings the DF page for http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/D...loratory_mining to mind. You can reuse some of the same principles for 100% exploratory mining in Dwarf Fortress, in Minecraft, to find diamonds while spending less time!

# ? Nov 24, 2011 05:35

MikeJF: Dec 20, 2003

Oh god I just realised that now that 1.0 is on my server I have to go and replace all the kitchen and bathroom sinks with cauldrons.

drat OCD.

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

Dig down to height 12, then mine out a pattern like this:
code:
###0###0###0###0###0###
###0###0###0###0###0###
###0###0###0###0###0###
00000000000000000000000
###0#X#0###0###0###0###
###0###0###0###0###0###
###0###0###0###0###0###
Where # is walls, 0 is mined out shafts and X is your return ladder.

This won't find 100% of all diamonds but it's so close it doesn't really matter.

I'd say that it's better at 15 or 16. There's a narrow gap there where it's still in the diamond layer but above the common lava layer. Look in the OP charts. At least there was, don't know if it still applies in the new terrain gen.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 06:07

Tuxedo Catfish: Mar 17, 2007; You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

MikeJF posted:

I'd say that it's better at 15 or 16. There's a narrow gap there where it's still in the diamond layer but above the common lava layer. Look in the OP charts. At least there was, don't know if it still applies in the new terrain gen.

12 still puts you above the lava layer. It doesn't hurt to go up to 15, but 12 gives you space to hop up the ladder and start a new grid once the bottom floor starts getting unwieldy.

Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at Nov 24, 2011 around 06:14

# ? Nov 24, 2011 06:11

A Saucy Bratwurst: May 11, 2011; Can't post for 23 hours!

I just saw the stuff about the yogs being dickheads at minecon

Is this true?

# ? Nov 24, 2011 07:11

Jewel: May 2, 2009; Everything is wonderful!

GreatKesh posted:

I just saw the stuff about the yogs being dickheads at minecon

Is this true?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HddM...s&feature=feedu

http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/c...hs_twitterings/

# ? Nov 24, 2011 07:12

Jesto: Dec 22, 2004; If 10000000 was a lady, I'd marry her.

GreatKesh posted:

I just saw the stuff about the yogs being dickheads at minecon

Is this true?

http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3450663 (Or here for a brief incomplete summary.)

Join us in the Dramacraft thread, where Notch is diggy diggying himself a hole to China.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 07:14

A Saucy Bratwurst: May 11, 2011; Can't post for 23 hours!

e:

nevermind

^^^^^^^^^

# ? Nov 24, 2011 07:16

Okan170: Nov 14, 2007; Torpedoes away!

Coming back to the game after quite a while away, I have to say I'm a little confused. About a year ago, it felt like the game kept expanding in its scope, letting me find new ways to create and sculpt the world. I have to wonder if some of the angst directed at the "end" of the game stems from the way it feels like it almost belongs in another game.

I'm not quite sure how to articulate it, but after toying around with the 1.0 release and going through to the "ending" it feels like its trying to be another kind of game. I suppose it was inevitable, but I guess I now have my answer on if I actually need mods to keep the exploration and awe-filled world effect going.

I think I'm just a bit sad inside that the game took a different direction than what got me playing it pre-Alpha. Its a big scary world, and the fun of it always felt like it was in the discovering and conquest of new and exciting things in the world.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 10:09

MikeJF: Dec 20, 2003

You know what? gently caress the buff to creeper health. gently caress it. I used to be able to kill them with a diamond sword, but now it takes more than two hits I don't even have a chance to do that most of the time thanks to knockback after I hit them, especially with server lag. I can survive easily enough, that's not the problem, but now I've just got to accept every single goddamn time I see a creeper that it'll be another fun session of "let's reconstruct the loving landscape!".

MikeJF fucked around with this message at Nov 24, 2011 around 12:38

# ? Nov 24, 2011 12:32

master gamawa: Nov 22, 2005; Otsegolator

Okan170 posted:

Coming back to the game after quite a while away, I have to say I'm a little confused. About a year ago, it felt like the game kept expanding in its scope, letting me find new ways to create and sculpt the world. I have to wonder if some of the angst directed at the "end" of the game stems from the way it feels like it almost belongs in another game.

I'm not quite sure how to articulate it, but after toying around with the 1.0 release and going through to the "ending" it feels like its trying to be another kind of game. I suppose it was inevitable, but I guess I now have my answer on if I actually need mods to keep the exploration and awe-filled world effect going.

I think I'm just a bit sad inside that the game took a different direction than what got me playing it pre-Alpha. Its a big scary world, and the fun of it always felt like it was in the discovering and conquest of new and exciting things in the world.

I am sure it has been mentioned before, but why would you even play the end part? Minecraft is still about building and exploring no matter if there is an end or not. If you are curious, play the end and then go about your usual business of exploring poo poo and making beautiful stuff.

Hey a food analogy: Minecraft is like a wonderful full service dinner with a lovely desert in the end. Don't eat the desert.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 13:27

Bolian Blues: Nov 3, 2008

Okan170 posted:

Coming back to the game after quite a while away, I have to say I'm a little confused. About a year ago, it felt like the game kept expanding in its scope, letting me find new ways to create and sculpt the world. I have to wonder if some of the angst directed at the "end" of the game stems from the way it feels like it almost belongs in another game.

I'm not quite sure how to articulate it, but after toying around with the 1.0 release and going through to the "ending" it feels like its trying to be another kind of game. I suppose it was inevitable, but I guess I now have my answer on if I actually need mods to keep the exploration and awe-filled world effect going.

I think I'm just a bit sad inside that the game took a different direction than what got me playing it pre-Alpha. Its a big scary world, and the fun of it always felt like it was in the discovering and conquest of new and exciting things in the world.

I agree with this pretty much 100%. I feel like my dream mod at the moment would be to make "The End" into something that isn't the actual end of the game. Get rid of the boss, put a cool new ore or item or something there instead. Then it becomes another fun place to explore, not some kind of final point of the game.

EDIT:

master gamawa posted:

Hey a food analogy: Minecraft is like a wonderful full service dinner with a lovely desert in the end. Don't eat the desert.

This is good life advice really. Sand stuck between your teeth is the worst feeling.

# ? Nov 24, 2011 13:28

Lycus: Aug 5, 2008; Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.

The "ending" should just be that dragon egg hatching, and now you have a pet dragon to ride and fly around your world.

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# ? May 22, 2013 06:24

Pigmassacre: Nov 23, 2010

Lycus posted:

The "ending" should just be that dragon egg hatching, and now you have a pet dragon to ride and fly around your world.

Yeah, I mean the the gently caress is the egg for anyway? This would be awesome!

# ? Nov 24, 2011 13:47

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