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Speedball posted:Seriously, what the hell else are you going to use leather for? *Ahem* http://sargunster.com/btw/index.php?title=Gimp_Suit 
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Speedball posted:Seriously, what the hell else are you going to use leather for? Also, bear in mind that cows drop 0-2 leather.
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Sep 23, 2014 02:18
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Every animal should just drop 1-2 [animal name] hide on death, each of which you can craft for 2 leather apiece. That way you can get leather armor from the initial meat you gather before caving for iron.
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Sep 23, 2014 02:24
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Seriously. 1-2 hides, craft to make 2 leather per hide.
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Sep 23, 2014 02:26
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It should scale up based on animal size. The only really large animal is the cow though, which if one cow resulted in 8-10 leather you'd have a more accurate representation of how much leather you can get from one cow. Pretty much if you're not drowning in leather, leather armor is a complete waste if we're talking progression.
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Sep 23, 2014 02:48
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I'm pretty sure you need 15 bookshelves to fully charge an enchantment table, which is 45 leather, unless that's changed? You need 90 wood planks, but only 45 books, which are 1 leather and 3 paper each. You routinely get 24 iron waaaaaaaaaaaay before 24 leather (and need the leather for your enchantment table anyway) and rabbits don't come close to changing that.
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Sep 23, 2014 02:56
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Yeah, the hide thing isn't a bad idea, but cows should be an amazing source of leather. One cow should provide a minimum of 4 leather. I mean, poo poo, the idea that you can make one pair of boots out of an entire cow isn't too farfetched. I'd say one cow/horse hide is equal to eight leather, one pig/sheep hide is equal to four leather, and one rabbit hide is equal to one leather. That way you only need three cows for full leather armour, and about 12 for a full set of bookshelves.
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Sep 23, 2014 02:57
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It's almost as if there's no real design in minecraft and things are just randomly thrown together with no thought to actual gameplay. Almost.
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Sep 23, 2014 03:00
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No, that's crazy. For that to be the case minecraft would have to have, like, a lovely first-attempt melee system where you just click to swing and there's no cooldown whatsoever so you can just hammer the button and watch your sword arm vibrate through like 4 frames of animation constantly attacking and knocking back enemies exactly the same amount as when they are stuck by any other non-running melee, or arrows for that matter, and with a block move which is nearly completely worthless furthermore, critical hits attack animations, which enemies have experience points cauldrons mushroom soup cats cookies villager trading furnace minecarts
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Sep 23, 2014 03:23
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To this day I do not actually know how to do a critical hit in combat.
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Sep 23, 2014 03:31
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CJacobs posted:To this day I do not actually know how to do a critical hit in combat. Jump. Hit enemy on your way down. Yeah.
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Sep 23, 2014 03:32
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Hit the enemy while falling.
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Sep 23, 2014 03:32
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Let's not get hasty now. Furnace Minecarts are crucial to progressing.
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Sep 23, 2014 03:32
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Awesome Animals posted:Let's not get hasty now. Furnace Minecarts are crucial to progressing.
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Sep 23, 2014 03:35
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I wouldn't say there's NO thought in the dev process. There's definitely no sign of any kind of dev roadmap or overall goal or anything like that, though. Everything's a feature they just thought of that would be cool to put in but has no real idea on how to tie anything together or make it work well. Can anyone tell me the use of pigs when we have cows?
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Sep 23, 2014 03:52
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Serifina posted:Can anyone tell me the use of pigs when we have cows? You can't get the achievement for riding a pig off a cliff with a cow.
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Sep 23, 2014 03:52
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I like that they put in the carrot on a stick just so that pig riding could be a thing that you can actually do and then shortly thereafter, horses made sure no one rode a pig ever again
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Combat is so bad it's a joke. There is no game I can think of where combat is this outright frustrating, on account of how unresponsive and obnoxious so much of it is. Knockback is the loving worst. Being bounced between enemies is poo poo. Blocking is dumb because you still get hurt and enemies have such fast attacks there's basically no point. No attack animations exist. The Wither is a dumb boss that you basically have to brute force. Poison damage needs a better cure or a resist/immunity. Critical hits are dumb and bouncing up and down while you fight is ridiculous. Charging attacks are okay but sprinting is poorly designed in this game and even with the long-overdue assigned sprint button sometimes it just seems to not work at random. Even that little TSCCHT sound that happens when you take any damage from any source at all is annoying as hell. I hate it all, tear it down and start over, there's nothing even worth saving. Also I finally bothered to get the one achievement I never have: On a Rail. The wording always confused me. Do you have to be 1000 blocks or more away from spawn, and ride a track? Nope, it turns out you have to ride a loving minecart for 1000 blocks. Granted that's only like 2.5 whole stacks of iron laid out as rail just so you can get one dumb achievement, but even in creative mode this is dumb and takes forever. It's got to be in a straight line, too. Even if Microsoft does add a bunch of bad poo poo I'd like to at least see a coherently designed Minecraft game.
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Sep 23, 2014 04:06
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xzzy posted:You can't get the achievement for riding a pig off a cliff with a cow. Ah, right. What glorious design, right there!
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Sep 23, 2014 04:09
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Can you still block to reduce fall damage? Because that makes so much sense
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Sep 23, 2014 04:18
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IronicDongz posted:I like that they put in the carrot on a stick just so that pig riding could be a thing that you can actually do and then shortly thereafter, horses made sure no one rode a pig ever again I also like that they made Horse/Pig riding a thing and yet did not allow saddles to be craftable.
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Sep 23, 2014 04:20
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Jagged Jim posted:I also like that they made Horse/Pig riding a thing and yet did not allow saddles to be craftable. Along with horse armor and name tags. All three items should be craft able and it's bullshit that they can't be.
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Sep 23, 2014 04:34
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I'm still mad that you can't craft string.
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Sep 23, 2014 05:01
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Oggumogoggum posted:Can you still block to reduce fall damage? Depending on your frame of reference the planet is hurling itself at you, making a deflection of the incoming attack feasible.
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Sep 23, 2014 05:11
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No, actually. But blocking is still terrible.
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Sep 23, 2014 05:13
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Oggumogoggum posted:Can you still block to reduce fall damage? No, that was actually removed a long time ago I'm pretty sure. Like back when it was still in beta. You can still drop a bucket of water at your feet a split-second before landing to negate fall damage, though. It's not that hard if you practice it a bit. xzzy posted:Depending on your frame of reference the planet is hurling itself at you, making a deflection of the incoming attack feasible. The theory is sound. Fighter did it once!
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Sep 23, 2014 05:14
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Sometimes the game is a neat little quirky thing. Other times it's a broken buggy steaming pile.
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Sep 23, 2014 05:17
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Taffer posted:It's almost as if there's no real design in minecraft and things are just randomly thrown together with no thought to actual gameplay. When Notch actually sat down and attempted game design, the result was The End.
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Sep 23, 2014 06:53
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If not for the occasional mod that requires endstone or a dragon egg, there is no reason to ever go to the End. It's beyond pointless. At least you can do some stuff with what you find in the Nether. Same with ender pearls. Those get used like crazy in mods, but in unmodded Minecraft, they're only ever really used for the ender chest and that's it, unless you count using them to find/unlock strongholds but that's just circular reasoning anyway.
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Sep 23, 2014 06:57
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I don't know what you're talking about, it's all worth it for that slick, deep and thoughtful ending Notch put in.
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Sep 23, 2014 06:59
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I remember when everyone thought it was an April Fool's joke. And then he just left it in. 
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Vib Rib posted:If not for the occasional mod that requires endstone or a dragon egg, there is no reason to ever go to the End. It's beyond pointless. At least you can do some stuff with what you find in the Nether. Hey the end is awesome, you just have to demolish all the endstone and then build a space station.
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Vib Rib posted:I remember when everyone thought it was an April Fool's joke. And then he just left it in. In Minecraft it is April 1st forever.
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WELLLLlll, since this is now the time and place to bitch about things you don't like about Minecraft: One thing that I never, ever liked about original-flavor Minecraft is the crafting window requiring you to memorize where to put bits of ingredients. ("Just tab over to a web browser and look it up!" said loving everyone last time I complained). The console versions of Minecraft got it right, just give us an easy-to-use menu, no fuss, no muss, I need TWO clicks to make whatever I need and get back to business immediately. So if Minecraft going Corporate can give us a few more quality-of-life improvements like that I won't complain.
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I'm fairly sure The End exists only so people can speedrun Minecraft, solidifying it not only in the pantheon of high art, but at the pinnacle of eSports.
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Speedball posted:WELLLLlll, since this is now the time and place to bitch about things you don't like about Minecraft: One thing that I never, ever liked about original-flavor Minecraft is the crafting window requiring you to memorize where to put bits of ingredients. ("Just tab over to a web browser and look it up!" said loving everyone last time I complained). The console versions of Minecraft got it right, just give us an easy-to-use menu, no fuss, no muss, I need TWO clicks to make whatever I need and get back to business immediately. This is why NEI is pretty much the very first mod to be added to everyone's game and outside of Pixelmon packs you won't find a pack without it.
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Sep 23, 2014 07:22
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Sorus posted:In Minecraft it is April 1st forever.
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MikeJF posted:Sexy, time to turn the spawning space into a cobble box. They spawn because of the water, there is a way to turn it into a farm, farming over 100000 items per hour. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpeYiGowqWk It also shows you the radius of the spawn box.
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Vib Rib posted:Combat is so bad it's a joke. There is no game I can think of where combat is this outright frustrating, on account of how unresponsive and obnoxious so much of it is. Knockback is the loving worst. Being bounced between enemies is poo poo. Blocking is dumb because you still get hurt and enemies have such fast attacks there's basically no point. No attack animations exist. The Wither is a dumb boss that you basically have to brute force. Poison damage needs a better cure or a resist/immunity. Critical hits are dumb and bouncing up and down while you fight is ridiculous. Charging attacks are okay but sprinting is poorly designed in this game and even with the long-overdue assigned sprint button sometimes it just seems to not work at random. Even that little TSCCHT sound that happens when you take any damage from any source at all is annoying as hell. I hate it all, tear it down and start over, there's nothing even worth saving. I have sgcraft and you can fire stuff through the gates, so what if you can ride a cart through a gate to another gate 1000 blocks away? does that count?
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1000? Cripes, in console On A Rail is only 500 meters. Assuming 1 meter = 1 block.
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