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Mizerab1e
Dec 18, 2002


This is a brief list of major natural disaster in last 10 years, there are lots more but I tried to make it as sweet and short as possible. The rate of record breaking events are IMHO unprecedented in our history, and it should give you a good idea on what is going on in this planet, and also realize that these are NATURAL disasters. Since 2000, man made disasters were far more destructive and unusual than this list, which I will work on and release in couple of weeks. I hope this motivates you to do your own research on what is happening to this world.

I would appreciate any feedback and opinions on what I should be feeling about these events. Do you think this is natural cycle, or something unusual?
I'll be updating this list as much as I can in next couple of days, and if you have something to add to this list, please feel free to share!


2011



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_...ornado_outbreak

A historic tornado outbreak now known as the 2011 Super Outbreak took place across much of the Southern United States as well as parts of the Midwest and Northeast. With over 300 confirmed tornadoes and 322 tornadic fatalities, the outbreak ranks as one of the worst in United States history.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_T...ake_and_tsunami

The 2011 earthquake off the Pacific coast of Tohoku, was a magnitude 9.0 (Mw) undersea megathrust earthquake off the coast of Japan with the epicenter approximately 43 mi east of the Oshika Peninsula of Tōhoku and the hypocenter at an underwater depth of approximately 20 mi. It was the most powerful known earthquake to have hit Japan, and one of the five most powerful earthquakes in the world overall since modern record-keeping began in 1900.



2010



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/13/s.../13climate.html

Figures on Global Climate Show 2010 Tied 2005 as the Hottest Year on Record, Drew Shindell of the NASA institute in New York City on January 24, 2006. "I think it's even fair to say that [2005 had] the warmest... temperatures the world has experienced probably in the last million years."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Haiti_earthquake

The 2010 Haiti earthquake was a catastrophic magnitude 7.0 Mw earthquake, by 24 January, at least 52 aftershocks measuring 4.5 or greater had been recorded. An estimated three million people were affected by the quake; the Haitian government reported that an estimated 316,000 people had died, 300,000 had been injured and 1,000,000 made homeless.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_C...and_dust_storms

The 2010 China drought and dust storms were a series of severe droughts during the spring of 2010 that affected Yunnan, Guizhou, Guangxi, Sichuan, Shanxi, Henan, Shaanxi, Chongqing, Hebei and Gansu in the People's Republic of China as well as parts of Southeast Asia including Vietnam and Thailand, and dust storms in March and April that affected much of East Asia. The drought has been referred to as the worst in a century in southwestern China.



2009



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southe...utbreak_of_2009

The Southern Ontario Tornado Outbreak of 2009 was a series of severe thunderstorms that spawned numerous tornadoes in Southwestern Ontario, Central Ontario and the Greater Toronto Area (GTA) on August 20, 2009, and was the largest single-day tornado outbreak in Ontario history and the largest in Canadian history.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_...ralia_heat_wave

The early 2009 southeastern Australia heat wave was a heat wave that commenced in late January and led to record-breaking prolonged high temperatures in the region. The heat wave is considered one of the, if not the, most extreme in the region's history. During the heat wave, fifty separate locations set various records for consecutive, highest daytime and overnight temperatures. The highest temperature recorded during the heat wave was 48.8 °C (119.8 °F) in Hopetoun, Victoria, a record for the state.



2008



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_Nargis

Cyclone Nargis was a strong tropical cyclone that caused the worst natural disaster in the recorded history of Burma. The cyclone made landfall in Burma on Friday, May 2, 2008, causing catastrophic destruction and at least 138,000 fatalities. The Labutta Township alone was reported to have 80,000 dead, with about 10,000 more deaths in Bogale.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_winter_storms

The 2008 Chinese winter storms are a series of winter storm events that affected large portions of southern and central China starting on 25 January 2008 until 6 February 2008. The systems affected most of the area with heavy snows, ice and cold temperatures causing extensive damage and transportation disruption for several thousand travelers. It has become China's worst winter weather in half a century.



2007



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevado_del_Huila

Nevado del Huila, at 5,365 metres (17,602 ft), is the highest volcano in Colombia, located in Huila Department. After being dormant for more than 500 years, the volcano showed heavy signs of activity in 2007 and 2008. As of February 20, 2007, there were more than 7000 "minor" seismic events, and a high state of alert was in place for the departments of Cauca, Huila, Caldas and Valle del Cauca.The volcano erupted twice in April 2007, once in April 2008 and again in November 2008.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Februa...ornado_outbreak

The February–March 2007 Tornado Outbreak was a tornado outbreak across the southern United States that began in Kansas on February 28, 2007. The severe weather spread eastward on March 1 and left a deadly mark across the southern US, particularly in Alabama and Georgia.. Total damages were estimated at over $580 million from tornadoes alone, making it the fourth costliest tornado outbreak in US history (the figure not including damage from other thunderstorm impacts including hail and straight-line winds).



2006



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_...lizzard_of_2006

The Blizzard of 2006 was a nor'easter that began on the evening of February 11, 2006. It dumped heavy snow across the Northeast United States from Virginia to Maine through the early evening of February 12 and ended in Atlantic Canada on February 13. The major northeast cities from Baltimore to Boston received at least a foot of snow, with an all-time largest amount of 26.9 inches (68.3 cm) in New York City, the most since at least 1869, the start of record keeping.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_European_heat_wave

The 2006 European heat wave was a period of exceptionally hot weather that arrived at the end of June 2006 in certain European countries. The United Kingdom, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Italy, Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Germany and western part of Russia were most affected. Several records were broken. In the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Ireland, and the UK, July 2006 was the warmest month since official measurements began.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_European_cold_wave

European Cold Wave, In January, the coldest weather in decades, accompanied by heavy snowfall and high winds in areas, occurred throughout Russia, Eastern Europe, and Scandinavia, leaving hundreds of people dead. Snow fell throughout Europe, even as far south as the Greek Isles or the Portuguese sea resorts, with record-setting snowfall and near-record cold in many areas.



2005



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina

Hurricane Katrina of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season was the costliest natural disaster, as well as one of the five deadliest hurricanes, in the history of the United States. Among recorded Atlantic hurricanes, it was the sixth strongest overall. At least 1,836 people died in the actual hurricane and in the subsequent floods, making it the deadliest U.S. hurricane since the 1928 Okeechobee hurricane.



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/13/s.../13climate.html

2005 is the Hottest Year on Record, Drew Shindell of the NASA institute in New York City on January 24, 2006. "I think it's even fair to say that 2005 had the warmest temperatures the world has experienced probably in the last million years."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic...lpha_%282005%29

In October, Tropical Storm Alpha killed 42 people in Haiti, the Dominican Republic, and the Bahamas. It also broke the record for the most active Atlantic hurricane season on record.



2004



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_I...cean_earthquake

The 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake was one of the deadliest natural disasters in recorded history. Indonesia was the hardest hit, followed by Sri Lanka, India, and Thailand. With a magnitude of between 9.1 and 9.3, it is the third largest earthquake ever recorded on a seismograph.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Ivan

Hurricane Ivan was a large, long-lived, rare classical Cape Verde-type hurricane. The cyclone was the ninth named storm, the sixth hurricane and the fourth major hurricane of the active 2004 Atlantic hurricane season. Ivan formed in early September and had reached Category 5 strength on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale and became the 10th most intense Atlantic hurricane ever recorded. At its peak in the Gulf of Mexico, Ivan was the size of the state of Texas. It also spawned 117 tornadoes across the eastern United States.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Jeanne

Hurricane Jeanne was the deadliest hurricane in the 2004 Atlantic hurricane season. It was the tenth named storm, the seventh hurricane, and the fifth major hurricane of the season, as well as the third hurricane and fourth named storm of the season to make landfall in Florida. Jeanne is the 12th most deadly storm in the Atlantic hurricane history ever. Final property damage in the United States was $6.8 billion, making this the 13th costliest hurricane in U.S. history.



2003



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave

The 2003 European heat wave was the hottest summer on record in Europe since at least 1540. France was hit especially hard. The heat wave led to health crises in several countries and combined with drought to create a crop shortfall in Southern Europe. More than 40,000 Europeans died as a result of the heat wave.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_M...ne_thunderstorm

The 2003 Melbourne thunderstorm was a severe weather event that occurred over the city of Melbourne, Australia, and surrounding areas of Victoria, from 1 December to 6 December 2003. The Australian Bureau of Meteorology called the storm a "once in 100 year event".



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_...lizzard_of_2003

The Blizzard of 2003, also known as the Presidents' Day Storm II or simply PDII, was a historical and record-breaking snowstorm on the East Coast of the United States and Canada, which lasted from February 14 to February 19, 2003. It spread heavy snow across the major cities of the Northeastern US, making it the defining snowstorm of the very snowy winter of 2002-2003. In Baltimore and Boston, this was the biggest snowstorm on record, with 28.2 and 27.5 inches, (71.6 and 69.9 cm) respectively.



2002



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter...terranean_event

The Eastern Mediterranean Event was a high-energy aerial explosion over the Mediterranean Sea, around 34°N 21°E (between Libya and Crete, Greece) on June 6, 2002. This explosion, similar in power to a small atomic bomb, has been related to an asteroid undetected while approaching the Earth. The object disintegrated and no part was recovered. Since it did not reach the surface and it exploded over the sea, no crater was formed.

*Added this due to the unusual aspect of the event.


2001



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_E...erica_heat_wave

2001 Eastern North America heat wave began in early August for areas of the Midwest and western Great Lakes before spreading eastward and intensifying. Ottawa recorded its second hottest day ever when the mercury approached 37°C (98°F) on August 9 and at the Toronto Airport it hit 38°C (100°F) on the same day, the hottest day there since 1955 with four straight days topping 35°C (95°F). Numerous records were shattered during the heatwave. Even in Nova Scotia, surrounded by the relatively cool waters of the Atlantic Ocean, temperatures still broke 35°C in some locations. Glace Bay, which has a sub-Arctic climate reached a record breaking 35.5°C on August 10.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_...ornado_outbreak

The April 10–11, 2001 tornado outbreak was a large tornado outbreak which affected the central Great Plains on April 10–11, 2001. During the two-day outbreak, it produced a total of 79 tornadoes across eight states including Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois and Michigan. Four people were killed, 18 injured, and more than $23 million in damage was reported. The fatalities were reported in Oklahoma, Iowa and Missouri including two from a single tornado in Wapello County, Iowa. The strongest tornado tracked for over 75 miles from northern Missouri to near Des Moines, Iowa causing extensive damage to several structures. In addition to that storm, a supercell on April 10 produced the largest and most damaging hail swath in history; as well as ten tornadoes.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Kunlun_earthquake

The 2001 Kunlun earthquake also known as the 2001 Kokoxili earthquake, occurred on 14 November 2001 at 09:26 UTC (17:26 local time), with an epicenter near Kokoxili, close to the border between Qinghai and Xinjiang in a remote mountainous region. With a magnitude of 7.8 Mw it was the most powerful earthquake in China for 5 decades. No casualties were reported, presumably due to the very low population density and the lack of high-rise buildings. This earthquake was associated with the longest surface rupture ever recorded on land, ~450 km.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Nisqually_earthquake

The Nisqually earthquake was an intraslab earthquake, occurring at 10:54 a.m. PST (18:54 UTC). on February 28, 2001, and was one of the largest recorded earthquakes in Washington state history. The quake measured 6.8 on the MMS and lasted approximately 45 seconds. The epicenter of the earthquake was under Anderson Island, about 17 km (11 mi) northeast of Olympia. The focus was at a depth of 52 km (32 mi). Tremors were felt as far away as Scio, Oregon, across the border in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, and 175 miles east in Pasco, Washington. There was also reports that it was felt as far away as Sandpoint, Idaho and Spokane, Washington.



2000



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_S...tates_heat_wave

2000 Southern United States heat wave was aided by drought, a heat wave persisted in late Summer 2000 along the southern tier of the United States from July to early September of that year. Near the end of the period, daily, monthly, and even all-time record high temperatures were broken, with highs commonly peaking well over 100 degrees Fahrenheit. On September 4, Houston hit 109 F and Dallas peaked at 111 F; on September 5, Austin, Texas and San Antonio peaked at 111 F while College Station reached 111 F on both the 4th and 5th of September.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Mozambique_flood

The 2000 Mozambique flood was a natural disaster that occurred in February and March 2000. The catastrophic flooding was caused by heavy rainfall that lasted for five weeks and made many homeless. Approximately 800 people were killed. 1,400 km² of arable land was affected and 20,000 head of cattle were lost. It was the worst flood in the Mozambique in 50 years.


Also!

http://youtu.be/QkLTzesBxGE
http://youtu.be/8bG9jUz_QYU

Contains very good explanation on how HAARP can be used to effect the weather.
Let's try this again!

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Amarkov
Jun 21, 2010


How is this list connected to HAARP?

Why does this list contain things like "2010 and 2005 were really hot"?

Who cares if things break records arbitrarily dated to times like "since Washington state existed" or "50 years ago"?

Mizerab1e
Dec 18, 2002


Amarkov posted:

How is this list connected to HAARP?

Why does this list contain things like "2010 and 2005 were really hot"?

Who cares if things break records arbitrarily dated to times like "since Washington state existed" or "50 years ago"?

I felt like since 2010 and 2005 was record breaking years as global temperature goes, it deserved to be added to this list. Now you can ignore the HAARP part, it's just my humble opinion that it is somehow connected to some of these events.

Amarkov
Jun 21, 2010


Mizerab1e posted:

I felt like since 2010 and 2005 was record breaking years as global temperature goes, it deserved to be added to this list. Now you can ignore the HAARP part, it's just my humble opinion that it is somehow connected to some of these events.

If we're ignoring the HAARP part what exactly do you intend this thread to discuss? Okay, some things broke some records (although most of the records were of the form "largest X since Y"), who cares?

Mizerab1e
Dec 18, 2002


Amarkov posted:

If we're ignoring the HAARP part what exactly do you intend this thread to discuss? Okay, some things broke some records (although most of the records were of the form "largest X since Y"), who cares?

I posted above that the main reason for this thread was to discuss if this is simply a part of natural cycle, or something unusual we should be concerned about. I'm sorry you don't seem to care that the weather pattern seems to be a bit out of whack but I hope at least few people will find this list interesting.

ts12
Jul 24, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


please seek help

Fishstick
Jul 9, 2005

Does not require preheating

I don't think referring to abovetopsecret.com as a 'scientific breakdown' does your position any good.

e: Especially since it never mentions that the actual power that hits the ionosphere is tens of thousands of times less than the natural radiation of the sun. But hey, BILLIONS OF WATTS INTO THE AIR!!

e2: Weren't you also just probated for basically exactly the same thread?

Mizerab1e
Dec 18, 2002


Fishstick posted:

I don't think referring to abovetopsecret.com as a 'scientific breakdown' does your position any good.

How so? The link provides reasonable scientific explanation on how it might be possible to manipulate the weather using different vibrations and frequency. If anything, could you explain why you think it's not possible other than "its from a site i dont like?" reason?

ts12
Jul 24, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Mizerab1e posted:

How so? The link provides reasonable scientific explanation on how it might be possible to manipulate the weather using different vibrations and frequency. If anything, could you explain why you think it's not possible other than "its from a site i dont like?" reason?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/911_Conspiracies.php
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/New_World_Order.php

Amarkov
Jun 21, 2010


Mizerab1e posted:

I posted above that the main reason for this thread was to discuss if this is simply a part of natural cycle, or something unusual we should be concerned about. I'm sorry you don't seem to care that the weather pattern seems to be a bit out of whack but I hope at least few people will find this list interesting.

Okay then. It is not something unusual we should be concerned about, because there is not any actual evidence that there is something unusual happening. A list of things that seem strange to you is not evidence, because how do we know that someone couldn't compile such a list during any decade?

Mizerab1e posted:

How so? The link provides reasonable scientific explanation on how it might be possible to manipulate the weather using different vibrations and frequency. If anything, could you explain why you think it's not possible other than "its from a site i dont like?" reason?

No it does not. Their "scientific explanation" betrays a complete lack of understanding of electromagnetics and plate tectonics. I'll try to write up a criticism, but understand that analyzing something which is so wrong is difficult.

ts12
Jul 24, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Hey guys. Not sure if this post has been up before. Pardon me if it's a repeat.

Just read in the news that more than 1000 birds just dropped dead. First thing that popped in my head was HAARP.

Although the news highlighted "Hail" or lightning, it also mentioned that these birds went through a "physical trauma" that may be the cause of their death.

Bird smuggler dropped them off a plane?
Maybe they were already dead and the physical trauma was from hitting the ground.

We live in strange times.

Fishstick
Jul 9, 2005

Does not require preheating

Mizerab1e posted:

How so? The link provides reasonable scientific explanation on how it might be possible to manipulate the weather using different vibrations and frequency. If anything, could you explain why you think it's not possible other than "its from a site i dont like?" reason?

Other than that that site is full of 9/11, UFO and illumunati conspiracy theories?

Also I'm pretty sure most doomsday devices don't do guided tours.

Mizerab1e
Dec 18, 2002


Amarkov posted:

Okay then. It is not something unusual we should be concerned about, because there is not any actual evidence that there is something unusual happening. A list of things that seem strange to you is not evidence, because how do we know that someone couldn't compile such a list during any decade?


No it does not. Their "scientific explanation" betrays a complete lack of understanding of electromagnetics and plate tectonics. I'll try to write up a criticism, but understand that analyzing something which is so wrong is difficult.

Now finally a seriously answer, I appreciate it. I find it personally odd that these record breaking events are occurring more often, and trying to figure out what might be causing it.

Also I would extremely appreciate if you can write up a criticism on why it's not possible for HAAARP to manipulate the weather, but it's been shown that even using couple watts can move clouds in the lab, so who's to say 3 billion watt of concentrated microwave cannot effect our weather system?

ts12
Jul 24, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Mizerab1e posted:

Now finally a seriously answer, I appreciate it. I find it personally odd that these record breaking events are occurring more often, and trying to figure out what might be causing it.

Also I would extremely appreciate if you can write up a criticism on why it's not possible for HAAARP to manipulate the weather, but it's been shown that even using couple watts can move clouds in the lab, so who's to say 3 billion watt of concentrated microwave cannot effect our weather system?

Project Blue Beam is a plan by the New World Order to stage a mass alien invasion using very advanced holographic technology. To the average person it will look like thousands of angry alien spaceships descending onto Earth in what will appear to be an invasion. To cut a long story short, the “powers that be” will announce that the only way we can survive and win against a superior enemy is to unite under one flag, one government and eventually, one religion. Suddenly the tide will turn and we will beat the alien aggressors into retreat. The New World Oder, One World Government will come out of the so called conflict smelling like roses and looking like the saviors of humanity. People will bow at their knees and lineup when they say you need a chip in your arm to make sure you aint no stinky alien.

The plans for Project Blue Beam was first broken by Canadian, investigative journalist Serge Monast in 1994. By 1996 more and more people started investigating Project Blue Beam, and Monast died very suddenly from a heart attack. Yes, you guessed it – the CIA’s favourite assassination method.

Many sites like the NSA funded Rational Wiki try and slander Monast as a loon, a queer and an odd ball “conspiracy theorist” that went off the rails. That’s when I knew for sure that Monast was on to something!
Now jump to 2010 / 2011. I have noticed that their favourite brainwashing branches – Hollywood and Fox have been very busy conditioning people for the alien invasion. Movies around this genre had been coming thick and fast in that last 6 months:

Hollywood


November 2010 - Skyline – aliens attack, we can’t beat them - all seems lost
November 2010 - Monsters – aliens have already attacked (6 years earlier), we can’t beat them – all seems lost…
March 2011 - Battle Los Angeles - aliens attack, we can’t beat them - all seems lost – Marines save the day


Cable / Fox


May 2011 - National Geographic When Aliens Attack - series about “what would happen” not IF, but WHEN aliens attack. This one sent chills down my spine when about halfway through we are getting our butts kicked then they actually say “The only way to win is to form One World Government”. The humans eventually win by using very low tech attacks. Sounds like they are getting us used to the ridiculous reason they will give us for how they defeated the aliens.
July 2011 - Falling Skies – series about post invasion, aliens attack, we can’t beat them - all seems lost


In almost all of these movies the common theme is that the aliens invaded Earth for our resources. This will help people to rationalize the fake invasion when it comes.

As you can see, in the last 6 months they have been very busy conditioning people for:


Hostile alien invasion for resources
Earth’s armies will be overwhelmed by superior fire power
Major cities will be lost
Just when it looks like it can’t get any worse…
The One World Government will save the day!
The aliens will retreat and those that are left will rebuild a New World, in that vision of the New World Government
No more borders
New One World Currency
New One World Religion
New “everybody” gets a chip in their body (and they will love it!)


So my point is, if you see a mass alien landing, invasion or light show in say, October / November 2011, do not get suckered in. It will be a sound and light show designed to confuse and terrify the masses.

Bunker down. Have enough food and water to last several weeks and try and hold out. If enough people turn their backs on their little show they will have no choice but to pull the plug and try something else at a later time.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010


You might've heard about this thing called climate change.

Amarkov
Jun 21, 2010


You want to know why HAARP cannot cause earthquakes? The earth's bulk matter does not have a resonance frequency. It wouldn't magically cause a localized earthquake if it did, and you would need much more energy than HAARP produces in ridiculous amounts of continuous operation, but that doesn't matter, because the earth's bulk matter does not have a resonance frequency.

Mizerab1e
Dec 18, 2002


Fishstick posted:

Other than that that site is full of 9/11, UFO and illumunati conspiracy theories?

9/10th of that page is saying what haarp actually does, and then one paragraph basically saying "well knowing this i think haarp can do earthquakes!:


Also I'm pretty sure most doomsday devices don't do guided tours.

I'm not disputing the fact that there are other topics in the website that does not make sense, I'm simply looking for a seriously explanation on why the science explained on that link is not feasible. 3 billion watts of concentrated microwave has to have great effect on our atmosphere and weather. In fact I believe those in control doesn't even know what they are doing, hence the reason they are testing it.

Also just because they have guided tours doesn't mean that it's totally peaceful project. Why all the military presence if it's a simple civilian project? why only allow visitors during certain time only in the summer? Shoot they allow visitors inside the white house, but that doesn't mean there's nothing shady going on in there.

Fishstick
Jul 9, 2005

Does not require preheating

Mizerab1e posted:

I'm not disputing the fact that there are other topics in the website that does not make sense, I'm simply looking for a seriously explanation on why the science explained on that link is not feasible. 3 billion watts of concentrated microwave has to have great effect on our atmosphere and weather. In fact I believe those in control doesn't even know what they are doing, hence the reason they are testing it.

Also just because they have guided tours doesn't mean that it's totally peaceful project. Why all the military presence if it's a simple civilian project? why only allow visitors during certain time only in the summer? Shoot they allow visitors inside the white house, but that doesn't mean there's nothing shady going on in there.
Wow, 3 billion watts? That's an impressive number! That must mean something because that sure is a big number of watts! I can see how you could conclude from that that it would have a great effect on our atmosphere!

ts12
Jul 24, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


hm yes i understand my source for this information is a site full of people who are literally mentally ill but i stand by it!!!

Mizerab1e
Dec 18, 2002


Fishstick posted:

Wow, 3 billion watts? That's an impressive number! That must mean something because that sure is a big number of watts! I can see how you could conclude from that that it would have a great effect on our atmosphere!

I think you missed the point. It's been proven that using only couple watts, you can move clouds inside lab. So how it is not possible that 3 billion watts of microwave beamed towards our atmosphere won't have any effect?

Amarkov
Jun 21, 2010


Mizerab1e posted:

3 billion watts of concentrated microwave has to have great effect on our atmosphere and weather.

The sun pumps 178.32*10^20 watts at Earth, continually. That works out to 3 billion watts per 2 square kilometers or so.

No, it is not obvious that another 3 billion has to have a great effect.

Mizerab1e posted:

I think you missed the point. It's been proven that using only couple watts, you can move clouds inside lab. So how it is not possible that 3 billion watts of microwave beamed towards our atmosphere won't have any effect?

Who has proven this? Since you cannot actually have real clouds in a lab, what did they actually prove? Do you have some evidence that all of this wasn't pulled out of the rear end of some guy on a site you once read?

Fishstick
Jul 9, 2005

Does not require preheating

Mizerab1e posted:

I think you missed the point. It's been proven that using only couple watts, you can move clouds inside lab. So how it is not possible that 3 billion watts of microwave beamed towards our atmosphere won't have any effect?

Because for one, it's less than 0.0005 watts per square centimeter, which is tens of thousands of times less than natural fluctuations from the sun.


Also I would love to see some citation for that moving clouds in lab using nothing but electricity.

Edit: I'd also like to hear your theory on how shooting radio into the air causes earthquakes.

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

What?


Why didn't he get long-term probated or banned?

Also, if HAARP can manipulate the weather, please manipulate some rain over Texas, tia.

MAO TSE-TUNGACUNT
Mar 31, 2008



But... most of those things in the OP aren't "unprecedented in history" in the least?

ts12
Jul 24, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Fishstick posted:

Because for one, it's less than 0.0005 watts per square centimeter, which is tens of thousands of times less than natural fluctuations from the sun.


Also I would love to see some citation for that moving clouds in lab using nothing but electricity.

Edit: I'd also like to hear your theory on how shooting radio into the air causes earthquakes.

magic mother fucker

1stGear posted:

Why didn't he get long-term probated or banned?

Also, if HAARP can manipulate the weather, please manipulate some rain over Texas, tia.

no admin online to clear ban/probation probably

Whole Milk
Jan 29, 2011

by Y Kant Ozma Post


GUYS GUYS, I've come here to tell you all how EARTHQUAKES are caused by the WARMING OF THE ATMOSPHERE

Mizerab1e
Dec 18, 2002


MAO TSE-TUNGACUNT posted:

But... most of those things in the OP aren't "unprecedented in history" in the least?

Absolutely not, I'm pointing out the unusual RATE of these events happening.

Amarkov
Jun 21, 2010


Mizerab1e posted:

Absolutely not, I'm pointing out the unusual RATE of these events happening.

Which you haven't provided any evidence for, at all, other than "look these bad things happened how likely is it that lots of bad things happen EVERY DECADE?"

Mizerab1e
Dec 18, 2002


Fishstick posted:

Because for one, it's less than 0.0005 watts per square centimeter, which is tens of thousands of times less than natural fluctuations from the sun.


Also I would love to see some citation for that moving clouds in lab using nothing but electricity.

Edit: I'd also like to hear your theory on how shooting radio into the air causes earthquakes.

http://youtu.be/8bG9jUz_QYU

2:43 is where you'll see that it is possible to move water vapor using nothing but couple of watts.

ts12
Jul 24, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


what does that have to do with earthquakes though

Mizerab1e
Dec 18, 2002


Amarkov posted:

Which you haven't provided any evidence for, at all, other than "look these bad things happened how likely is it that lots of bad things happen EVERY DECADE?"

What evidence are you asking for? I simply listed the events and asked for your opinion on if you think these rate of event is natural cycle or something unusual, and then I provided my humble opinion on what might be causing some of these events. I believe the rate of these record breaking events are happening too rapidly to be simply natural cycle, and trying to figure out other people's opinion on the topic.

Amarkov
Jun 21, 2010


Mizerab1e posted:

http://youtu.be/8bG9jUz_QYU

2:43 is where you'll see that it is possible to move water vapor using nothing but couple of watts.

100 watts is not in fact the same thing as a few watts, and HAARP does not in fact extend to the cloud layer. But if you ignore the fact that your video is complete bullshit, yeah it's pretty convincing.

Fishstick
Jul 9, 2005

Does not require preheating

Amarkov posted:

100 watts is not in fact the same thing as a few watts, and HAARP does not in fact extend to the cloud layer. But if you ignore the fact that your video is complete bullshit, yeah it's pretty convincing.
Also it's 100 watts in a contained, concentrated environment. But I'm gonna have to let logic slide here, cause that video had dramatic music and CGI representations - signs that they know what they're talking about.

Mizerab1e
Dec 18, 2002


ts12 posted:

what does that have to do with earthquakes though

NASA scientists have found earthquakes with magnitude of 5.0 or greater almost always are preceeded by electrical disturbance in the Ionosphere, hence my reason for believing HAARP's involvement, which could generate massive disturbance using 3 billion watts.

ts12
Jul 24, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


just released a bodacious fart. based on my fart log i think it may be caused by chemtrails. thoughts?

Fishstick
Jul 9, 2005

Does not require preheating

Mizerab1e posted:

NASA scientists have found earthquakes with magnitude of 5.0 or greater almost always are preceeded by electrical disturbance in the Ionosphere, hence my reason for believing HAARP's involvement, which could generate massive disturbance using 3 billion watts.

Correction, earthquakes cause atmospheric effects - some of which can be detected before the actual earthquake is felt. If you have evidence that the reverse is true, please cite it. A site that doesn't have UFO's or 9/11 on the front page would be nice.


E: THREE BILLION WATTS

Mizerab1e
Dec 18, 2002


Amarkov posted:

100 watts is not in fact the same thing as a few watts, and HAARP does not in fact extend to the cloud layer. But if you ignore the fact that your video is complete bullshit, yeah it's pretty convincing.

In all honesty, I'd rather think that the crew from the History channel is more credible than what your saying (or not saying). Also HAARP does in fact extend to the cloud layer, since Ionosphere is the 2nd highest layer below exosphere which is well beyond where clouds dwell. You doubted that you couldn't move clouds using electricity, and now that I provided you the evidence that it's possible, you simply say couple of watts is not same as 100watt, but you know what? compare to 3 billion HAARP is pumping out, I think it's fair to say 100 watt is miniscule at best. Please try to debunk it better than 'Dumb website', 'stupid video' etc., doesn't add anything to the discussion. It is definitely not impossible that HAARP can and do effect the weather in ways no one seems to understand yet.

fermun
Nov 4, 2009

The X-Files will return in a moment.


If you think that HAARP can move clouds, you are severely underestimating the amount of mass in a cloud. A cloud is big. A 1km3 cloud is going to weigh about 1 billion kg. 1km3 isn't even large enough to be a storm cloud, that's tiny for a cloud.

Fishstick
Jul 9, 2005

Does not require preheating

Mizerab1e posted:

In all honesty, I'd rather think that the crew from the History channel is more credible than what your saying (or not saying). Also HAARP does in fact extend to the cloud layer, since Ionosphere is the 2nd highest layer below exosphere which is well beyond where clouds dwell. You doubted that you couldn't move clouds using electricity, and now that I provided you the evidence that it's possible, you simply say couple of watts is not same as 100watt, but you know what? compare to 3 billion HAARP is pumping out, I think it's fair to say 100 watt is miniscule at best. Please try to debunk it better than 'Dumb website', 'stupid video' etc., doesn't add anything to the discussion. It is definitely not impossible that HAARP can and do effect the weather in ways no one seems to understand yet.

Do you not understand how scale and concentration works?

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Amarkov
Jun 21, 2010


Mizerab1e posted:

In all honesty, I'd rather think that the crew from the History channel is more credible than what your saying (or not saying).

In all honesty, the History channel, like all popular media, is really loving bad at science.

quote:

Also HAARP does in fact extend to the cloud layer, since Ionosphere is the 2nd highest layer below exosphere which is well beyond where clouds dwell.

No, HAARP is not physically poking into the ionosphere. This is dumb.

quote:

You doubted that you couldn't move clouds using electricity, and now that I provided you the evidence that it's possible, you simply say couple of watts is not same as 100watt, but you know what? compare to 3 billion HAARP is pumping out, I think it's fair to say 100 watt is miniscule at best. Please try to debunk it better than 'Dumb website', 'stupid video' etc., doesn't add anything to the discussion. It is definitely not impossible that HAARP can and do effect the weather in ways no one seems to understand yet.

I never doubted that you could move clouds using electricity. I argued that you don't actually have any evidence of clouds being moved with electricity, and your response was a video of dissapating water vapor with 100 volts, with terminals physically touching the vapor. These are not the same thing, or even similar.

Also, volts are not the same thing as watts.

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