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ShinsoBEAM!
Nov 6, 2008

"Even if this body of mine is turned to dust, I will defend my country."


Jmcrofts posted:

Tekken is not but Soul Calibur is (sorry SC fans).

They are both really good games though.

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Zand
Jul 9, 2003

~ i'll take you for a ride ~ ride on a meteorite ~

ShinsoBEAM! posted:

They are both really good games though.

The Soul series is the pinnacle of lovely baby fighting games. It offers almost nothing for anyone craving a game with a high skill cap, on purpose. Namco repeatedly introduces features in both the console and arcade versions that create an incentive for single-player play in a genre that should be exclusively multi-player. The rewards for single-player play in the console versions are typically modifications to the basic game mode that make it worthless as a competitive game (weapons, create-a-character). I can find almost nothing rewarding about the series as a whole other than the fact that it helps get more new players in to fighting games.

Tekken is pretty fuckin cool though

Zand fucked around with this message at Nov 29, 2011 around 07:52

redmercer
Sep 15, 2011

by Fistgrrl


Zand posted:

The Soul series is the pinnacle of lovely baby fighting games. It offers almost nothing for anyone craving a game with a high skill cap, on purpose. Namco repeatedly introduces features in both the console and arcade versions that create an incentive for single-player play in a genre that should be exclusively multi-player. The rewards for single-player play in the console versions are typically modifications to the basic game mode that make it worthless as a competitive game (weapons, create-a-character). I can find almost nothing rewarding about the series as a whole other than the fact that it helps get more new players in to fighting games.

Cool. Got any opinions on Smash Bros?

Zand
Jul 9, 2003

~ i'll take you for a ride ~ ride on a meteorite ~

redmercer posted:

Cool. Got any opinions on Smash Bros?

Yes I do!

I think the Smash series is super fun! Brawl is still dumb fun, but it is not good. High level play in smash brothers has a higher skill cap than the Soul series by far. Melee is fun to watch and play. It is a more complicated than its predecessor and a more competitive game than Brawl. Doing combos in Melee can be more difficult than doing combos in traditional fighting games. Pretty much the main lovely thing about Smash would be items, but they can be turned off making them a non-issue. The other lovely thing is the levels, but the Smash community has some dumb system with switching levels and counter-picking levels worked out to try to compensate. Even then, the game is still more entertaining and a better fighting game than any entry in the Soul series.

I have opinions on a lot of fighting games, if you'd like to hear more I'd be happy to oblige.

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008



Speaking of Smash Bros and Smash Bros Accessories, did anyone ever find out if that new ArcSys game "Nura: Rise of the Yokai Clan" is any good or not?

The gameplay on YouTube makes it look like some bizarre cross between BlazBlue and Melee starring licensed anime dudes.

Bubble-T
Dec 26, 2004

You know, I've got a funny feeling I've seen this all before.

So let me get this straight Zand, Soul Calibur's bonus unlockables are terrible game ruining things but Smash's intrinsic items and levels being so bad you have to turn them off is a-ok

did I get that right

Zand
Jul 9, 2003

~ i'll take you for a ride ~ ride on a meteorite ~

Bubble-T posted:

So let me get this straight Zand, Soul Calibur's bonus unlockables are terrible game ruining things but Smash's intrinsic items and levels being so bad you have to turn them off is a-ok

did I get that right
Yes, it isn't that hard to understand. Let me help you.

Namco presents Soul Calibur as a fighting game that can be played on a competitive level. This is shown by things like balance updates and revisions. I do not like the high amount of single-player content and the incentives to play the game at such a low level (playing vs CPU is literally playing at no level at all). Furthermore, I do not like that the rewards for completing the single-player content are things that unbalance or ruin the multi-player experience, which is what I feel the game should be geared towards instead. This was my main problem with the Soul series as I posted it.

Smash tries hard to make itself noncompetitive. Brawl literally has tripping (where your character can randomly fall down) in it to poo poo on people who want to play it competitively. It makes no attempt to appeal to the competitive community whatsoever, with absolutely no additions to the game in each revision in order to facilitate competitive play. It is true, problems with items and stages are poo poo. I have no problems with this in Smash because it isnt trying to be a competitive game. It is only played competitively because people take it seriously and a scene developed around it, not because it was intended to be a competitively viable game. The bottom line is that I have zero problem with the faults of Smash as far as it being a competitive game, because it is not trying to be one.

I hope I cleared that up for you!

Zand fucked around with this message at Nov 29, 2011 around 08:55

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

You are all DOOMED



It's not like people use created characters or equipment in tournaments. I mean Soul Calibur's kinda dumb competitively, but not for that reason.

Soulcleaver
Sep 25, 2007

Murderer

Soul Blade was the only good game in the Soul series and I won't hear otherwise.

redmercer
Sep 15, 2011

by Fistgrrl


Zand posted:

Yes I do!

I think the Smash series is super fun! Brawl is still dumb fun, but it is not good. High level play in smash brothers has a higher skill cap than the Soul series by far. Melee is fun to watch and play. It is a more complicated than its predecessor and a more competitive game than Brawl. Doing combos in Melee can be more difficult than doing combos in traditional fighting games. Pretty much the main lovely thing about Smash would be items, but they can be turned off making them a non-issue. The other lovely thing is the levels, but the Smash community has some dumb system with switching levels and counter-picking levels worked out to try to compensate. Even then, the game is still more entertaining and a better fighting game than any entry in the Soul series.

I have opinions on a lot of fighting games, if you'd like to hear more I'd be happy to oblige.

You are truly a bro, with many cool stories

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Captain Matchbox
Sep 22, 2008

BOP THE STOATS

Soulcleaver posted:

Soul Blade was the only good game in the Soul series and I won't hear otherwise.

Finally someone knows what's up.

Beautiful Ninja
Mar 25, 2009

Five time FCW Champion...of my heart.


Soulcleaver posted:

Soul Blade was the only good game in the Soul series and I won't hear otherwise.

The first Soul Calibur was awesome too.

mhz
Dec 10, 2006

~wat it do, dough~


Soul Calibur 2 was pretty cool as well. That's about where I draw the line though.

It'll be interesting to see how SC5 plays at NEC. Also TTT2!

EDIT: Any other button pushers going this weekend?

mhz fucked around with this message at Nov 29, 2011 around 13:05

Tezzeract
Dec 25, 2007

Think I took a wrong turn...

I'm not really sure what lines you guys draw for the competitive scene. It's pretty essential to have good netcode and somewhat balanced characters and a variety of playstyles at this point so that people can have fun with PVP online.

The diminished stature (for the general audience at least) for Soul Calibur probably directly relates to the ridiculous sexing up it has been getting from iteration to iteration and probably from the lack of memorable characters in the newer games. In small quantities, its fine, but right now it just seems like the devs are watching too much porn. It's like someone at Namco forgot why people play fighting games.

Also Skullgirls is going to be ridiculously niche so they better be charging higher prices. My friend played Arcana Hearts and no matter how open minded we tried to be, the game just isn't meant for the uninitiated.

inthesto
May 12, 2010

That's a nice stack of dragons you have there. Be a real shame if I sneezed on it.

Zand posted:

The Soul series is the pinnacle of lovely baby fighting games.

Oh come on, DoA?

On a side note, I find it funny how much sexing up Namco applies to Soul with every iteration when Tekken is a pretty "sexy" game itself.

Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club

r1ngwthszzors posted:

The diminished stature (for the general audience at least) for Soul Calibur probably directly relates to the ridiculous sexing up it has been getting from iteration to iteration and probably from the lack of memorable characters in the newer games.

No it's mostly that soul calibur 3 and 4 were bad fighting games. 1 and 2 were significantly better. Also, its "stature" really hasn't diminished for the general audience, soul calibur games still review pretty well and sell like gangbusters.

uncleKitchener
Nov 18, 2009

Big adventure
Tons of fun
A beautiful heart
Faithful and strong
Sharing kindness
It's an easy feat
And magic makes it all complete


Zand posted:

The Soul series is the pinnacle of lovely baby fighting games. It offers almost nothing for anyone craving a game with a high skill cap, on purpose. Namco repeatedly introduces features in both the console and arcade versions that create an incentive for single-player play in a genre that should be exclusively multi-player. The rewards for single-player play in the console versions are typically modifications to the basic game mode that make it worthless as a competitive game (weapons, create-a-character). I can find almost nothing rewarding about the series as a whole other than the fact that it helps get more new players in to fighting games.

Tekken is pretty fuckin cool though

Hey, Smash Bros? DOA?

I thought Namco started doing the direct-to-console with the series since 3. The fact that Soul gets played in some tourneys unlike Smash Bros and DOA sure says a lot.

Namco's going to unveil SC5 this Saturday in Namco Arcade in London. Hopefully, I can get in to see if it's any good, considering the many retarded things I've heard about the new mechanics so far.

Brosnan
Nov 13, 2004

Christ, not this shit again.

uncleKitchener posted:

I thought Namco started doing the direct-to-console with the series since 3. The fact that Soul gets played in some tourneys unlike Smash Bros and DOA sure says a lot.

It says that Soul Calibur was an okay series a long time ago and some people are still hoping that it will turn out to be one again. Not me, really, but some people.

Spermando
Jun 13, 2009


What's wrong with Dead or Alive? I've been meaning to try it, but there's not a lot of talk about it here.

Brosnan
Nov 13, 2004

Christ, not this shit again.

It's really braindead and homogenous and stupid and basically no one takes it seriously as a fighting game. Even Soul Calibur is closer to being a legitimate competitive game.

Mr Wind Up Bird
Jan 23, 2004

i'm a goddamn coward
but then again so are you


The 3DS DoA game is slightly more fun to play than SSF4 3DS because it's not really a fighting game so much as a rock paper scissors simulator/dress up anime barbie doll.

Of course neither have anything on true 3DS fighting game king

AXE COP
Apr 16, 2010

i always feel like

somebody's watching me


Sony are making their own Smash-style franchise fighting game with characters like Kratos and Sweet Tooth being featured in screenshots. Hopefully it turns out fun.

e: apparently it's called Title Fight?

quote:

Early November 2011, word of the the game first emerged on The Paul Gale Network, which claimed it featured a number of Sony mascots, including Parappa the Rapper from PaRappa the Rapper, Kratos from God of War, Sly Cooper from Sly Cooper, Nathan Drake from Uncharted, Sweet Tooth from Twisted Metal, Colonel Mael Radec from Killzone and Fat Princess from Fat Princess.[3] The report also mentioned a Sandover Village stage from Jak and Daxter, Hot Shots Golf characters in stage backgrounds, a LittleBigPlanet stage and a Buzz! trivia mini-game. A James Bond character was also mentioned.[3]

Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club

Well if it has PaRappa I'll probably have to buy it. And fat princess, that sounds pretty funny.

Gutcruncher
Apr 16, 2005

Go home and be a family man!


Mr Wind Up Bird posted:

The 3DS DoA game is slightly more fun to play than SSF4 3DS because it's not really a fighting game so much as a rock paper scissors simulator/dress up anime barbie doll.

Now that you mention it, Im kinda upset that DOA doesnt have a dressup mode. I mean it just makes sense!

uncleKitchener
Nov 18, 2009

Big adventure
Tons of fun
A beautiful heart
Faithful and strong
Sharing kindness
It's an easy feat
And magic makes it all complete


Spermando posted:

What's wrong with Dead or Alive? I've been meaning to try it, but there's not a lot of talk about it here.

If you like Rock Paper Scissors, you might as well play Soul Calibur. You have more characters, you throws more rocks than paper and you have plenty more fanservice. Aand, you can play as Darth Vader and Yoda. That sure as hell beats lovely spartan halo and Samus Aran.

ShinsoBEAM!
Nov 6, 2008

"Even if this body of mine is turned to dust, I will defend my country."


Jmcrofts posted:

No it's mostly that soul calibur 3 and 4 were bad fighting games. 1 and 2 were significantly better. Also, its "stature" really hasn't diminished for the general audience, soul calibur games still review pretty well and sell like gangbusters.

IV suffered more from awful community and III leaving a bad taste in everyone mouth, then actually from actually being a bad game.

Shinku ABOOKEN
Oct 23, 2009

STOP IT

STOP ALL THIS
NONSENSE


uncleKitchener posted:

If you like Rock Paper Scissors, you might as well play Soul Calibur. You have more characters, you throws more rocks than paper and you have plenty more fanservice. Aand, you can play as Darth Vader and Yoda. That sure as hell beats lovely spartan halo and Samus Aran.

Waitwaitwait... the fuckers got Samus in that skanky game? gently caress team ninja, gently caress them to hell.

I hope Nintendo licenses Metroid to a competent studio for a change, it's been downhill since the GBA one.

PalmTreeFun
Apr 25, 2010

*toot*


Jmcrofts posted:

Well if it has PaRappa I'll probably have to buy it. And fat princess, that sounds pretty funny.

I wonder what they'd do for Fat Princess. Would she just call assists? Would she be like MvC3 Frank West with upgrades from stuffing too much cake in her face? I'm kind of curious to see what they'd make her play like.

Suben
Jul 1, 2007

In 1985 Dr. Strange makes a rap album.


Zand posted:

I can find almost nothing rewarding about the series as a whole other than the fact that it helps get more new players in to fighting games.

Soul Edge had really cool music at least.

ImperialGuard
Jan 10, 2010


Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

Waitwaitwait... the fuckers got Samus in that skanky game? gently caress team ninja, gently caress them to hell.
Not quite. Team Ninja, the same group that publishes DoA, also worked on a Metroid game. There was a female Spartan in one of the DoA games though, does that count?

Lessail
Apr 1, 2011

boo

Suben posted:

Soul Edge had really cool music at least.

None of those linked are the amazing opening which is the best of the series.

Also none are Bravely Folk Song and that shouldn't be.

Zaa Boogie
Sep 13, 2007

"Suckle on this receptacle!"


Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

Waitwaitwait... the fuckers got Samus in that skanky game? gently caress team ninja, gently caress them to hell.

It was a better skanky game than Other M!

Seriously though, it was only via stage. They created a Metroid stage and you'd occasionally see her ship and Samus her self beating the hell out of Ridley in the background.

It's actually the classiest way they could've put her in.

Zand
Jul 9, 2003

~ i'll take you for a ride ~ ride on a meteorite ~

uncleKitchener posted:

Hey, Smash Bros? DOA?

I thought Namco started doing the direct-to-console with the series since 3. The fact that Soul gets played in some tourneys unlike Smash Bros and DOA sure says a lot.

Namco's going to unveil SC5 this Saturday in Namco Arcade in London. Hopefully, I can get in to see if it's any good, considering the many retarded things I've heard about the new mechanics so far.

Soul Calibur 3 had a direct-to-console version for the PS2, then a later revision for the arcade with bug fixes and balance changes. Soul barely gets played in any tournaments anymore, and Smash Brothers Melee had a gigantic scene with more players than any traditional fighting games during its heyday. Brawl kind of killed the community, but people still play both Melee and Brawl competitively, although the Melee community is pretty small now. Melee went strong for like 8 years, though.

DOA was played at the World Cyber Games for 3 years and was the first fighter to get any play there, whatever that means. Now they play Tekken.

ShinsoBEAM! posted:

IV suffered more from awful community and III leaving a bad taste in everyone mouth, then actually from actually being a bad game.
Are you sure? The series feels more rigid and canned the longer it goes on. It just isn't that fun of a game when there are so many defensive options and only canned offense.

Broken Loose
Dec 25, 2002

out of the way fucking noblemen



r1ngwthszzors posted:

Also Skullgirls is going to be ridiculously niche so they better be charging higher prices. My friend played Arcana Hearts and no matter how open minded we tried to be, the game just isn't meant for the uninitiated.

So I take it you know nothing about Skullgirls.

Mason Dixon
Jul 28, 2001

Crimson Butterfly

Zand posted:

Are you sure? The series feels more rigid and canned the longer it goes on. It just isn't that fun of a game when there are so many defensive options and only canned offense.
No, he made a generally accurate assessment. I'll grant you III and IV were not overall as fun as I and II, and the 22G glitch from III really hurt the perception of the series.

That said, what I've seen of V so far seems like it should alleviate some of your complaints. Many universal defensive options either cost meter (GI), are not easy to do (JG), or have an obvious counter (quick-step). Canned offense is present in every major 3D fighter, but I think the addition of EX/Supers and hopefully better frames should help there.

I'll see for myself once I get some playtime w/ the build at NEC. If it ends up no different, but at least I'll have given it a try. I'm very interested in seeing how the movement feels and if the offense really is any more flexible.

Mejwell
Jun 5, 2004

Great!

Broken Loose posted:

So I take it you know nothing about Skullgirls.

Just like 99.9% of the population of America

Captain Matchbox
Sep 22, 2008

BOP THE STOATS

AXE COP posted:

Sony are making their own Smash-style franchise fighting game with characters like Kratos and Sweet Tooth being featured in screenshots. Hopefully it turns out fun.

e: apparently it's called Title Fight?

Someone started a thread but its pretty dead already as there's not really much info.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3451551

Schmendrick
Aug 22, 2003

(Insert stupid MMO name here.)

Did they close the registration for NEC this weekend? Just when I got the cash to enter, I found out the deadline was the 28th (I wanna start checking out some PA/NJ/NYC tourneys).

Konstantin
Jun 20, 2005


Schmendrick posted:

Did they close the registration for NEC this weekend? Just when I got the cash to enter, I found out the deadline was the 28th (I wanna start checking out some PA/NJ/NYC tourneys).

I think you can register on site Saturday morning, they just closed the preregistration.

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uncleKitchener
Nov 18, 2009

Big adventure
Tons of fun
A beautiful heart
Faithful and strong
Sharing kindness
It's an easy feat
And magic makes it all complete


Zand posted:

Soul Calibur 3 had a direct-to-console version for the PS2, then a later revision for the arcade with bug fixes and balance changes. Soul barely gets played in any tournaments anymore, and Smash Brothers Melee had a gigantic scene with more players than any traditional fighting games during its heyday. Brawl kind of killed the community, but people still play both Melee and Brawl competitively, although the Melee community is pretty small now. Melee went strong for like 8 years, though.

DOA was played at the World Cyber Games for 3 years and was the first fighter to get any play there, whatever that means. Now they play Tekken.

I played Smash Bros. some time ago and I really didn't see the appeal of it. It was pretty much a children's game that a bunch of man children found appealing. The only reason I see this game being played is for the nostalgia, which I don't have and never had.

As for Doa, I don't really see it being played in any other tournament again, considering that's it's VF with rock paper scissors mechanics and more of a game you can have fun with in a casual gathering. Also most of the fanbase have pretty much disappeared and moved onto other things. Last time I checked, only a handful of people are roaming DOACentral regularly. That is pretty much close to VFDC numbers, though VFDC is starting to pick up with new footage and a new game coming out.

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