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Jeffrey
Dec 22, 2005
Orangutan Gang


Gammatron 64 posted:

I played SF4 on a keyboard for a bit and to me, it's just so awkward. DP's are definitely doable but they are SO much more natural on a stick.

I also like charge characters a lot so I'm kind of a japanese square gate purist. I can do Balrog's BnB juggle into ultra on a Japanese stick in my sleep. On the 3DS pad/stick it's pretty yucky. On a keyboard or an Xbox pad? I don't think I can even do it. gently caress, on the standard 360 pad I can't even do a hadoken. That thing was designed for navigating menus and switching to different guns, not for actually controlling any character in any videogame any way.

But that's just me. I know a few pad players who are way better than I am, so it's all a preference thing.

So I bought a hitbox as well, and I think charge characters are great to play on it. Basically, when you hit both up+down, it counts as up. So, when you are downbacking, doing a Balrog headbutt is just jump + punch. It lets you think about jump as an attack button, and I now hit it with my right thumb when doing moves like that. Then, the left hand is free to do the ultra motion. It feels quite nice.

My biggest problems with it is that left+right gets you neutral. I think it would be much better if it gave you the direction of the second button you hit. There are times when I accidentally leave back held down too long, and I miss my charge ultra input for it. If it gave the second direction you pressed, Balrog U1 would just be [holding back]->double tap forward + PPP.

In addition, fancy charge tricks got way easier. I haven't tried Urien charge partitioning, but dash up ultra with Balrog is laughably easy on the hitbox. I can do it consistently on the hitbox whereas I cannot come close to consistent on the stick. Dashing in general is much easier, since hitting a button twice is definitely faster than pushing the stick twice.

I do miss the satisfying feel of a stick when using it though. The DP motion "feels" much more natural on a stick, but is still faster to execute on a hitbox.

I think 720s are pretty hard on it though. I bet that, if you practiced, standing 720s(1080s?) would be more reasonable on the hitbox than on a stick, but the up button placement makes the motion awkward and I haven't cared to practice.

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Mio Bison
Dec 14, 2005

lez get beautiful

Bovineicide posted:

Easy has nothing to do with it. I pick characters based on how much hate mail I'll get with them

Select Chun-Li and walk forward pressing MP, the amount of skill required to stop this strategy relative to the zero skill it takes to execute is pretty amazing

Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club

Mio Bison posted:

Select Chun-Li and walk forward pressing MP, the amount of skill required to stop this strategy relative to the zero skill it takes to execute is pretty amazing

I would say the same thing about balrog's throw, cross under, tick throw setup. So dirty

ZerodotJander
Dec 29, 2004

Chinaman, explain!

The Chun Li setup is much easier, you don't need any timing at all, with Balrog you at least have to be able to time the meaty correctly.

Speaking of hold forward press MP, once you get a knockdown, do meaty df+HK for a completely unseeable crossup that knocks down on hit and can be used to tick throw on block.

Ashenai
Oct 5, 2005

You taught me language;
and my profit on't
Is, I know how to curse.

Homeland Security is on the job, protecting all of us from potentially violent (and/or anime pantyshot) stream content.

Buckwheat Sings
Feb 9, 2005



I guess when someone got raped in a match, they took it quite literally.

Gammatron 64
Nov 28, 2007

"Well, I gave the Dinobots simple brains because I wanted them to be authentic."
"Hey, I bet real dinosaurs had metal skin, too!"
"Fuck you, Huffer."


Yeah, I betcha stuff like dash ultras are a hell of a lot easier on a hitbox. Can't people also do standing 720s without having to buffer them into anything?

You're right though, even though a hitbox might be better than an arcade stick, there's just something about a stick that just feels so satisfying. There's just something about doing combos with a stick that makes you feel like a badass. Can grandma do a FADC Ultra with ease? Can your girlfriend? Even that hardcore gamer who doesn't play fighters? Nope. To the uninitiated it's like you have magical fingers.

Of course, then you actually play someone who is good at the game and your soul is crushed, but hey man, I gotta take what I can get, you know?

Gwyrgyn Blood
Dec 17, 2002



Gammatron 64 posted:

Can't people also do standing 720s without having to buffer them into anything?

That's entirely based on the game and not the controller. I suppose it's made a fair bit easier with a hitbox though.

Edit: Posted in the KOF thread, but KOF13 got delayed until November 22, a week after UMvC3. Really bad sign for SNK and the game itself.

Gwyrgyn Blood fucked around with this message at Sep 27, 2011 around 21:33

Jeffrey
Dec 22, 2005
Orangutan Gang


Gammatron 64 posted:

Yeah, I betcha stuff like dash ultras are a hell of a lot easier on a hitbox. Can't people also do standing 720s without having to buffer them into anything?

You're right though, even though a hitbox might be better than an arcade stick, there's just something about a stick that just feels so satisfying. There's just something about doing combos with a stick that makes you feel like a badass. Can grandma do a FADC Ultra with ease? Can your girlfriend? Even that hardcore gamer who doesn't play fighters? Nope. To the uninitiated it's like you have magical fingers.

Of course, then you actually play someone who is good at the game and your soul is crushed, but hey man, I gotta take what I can get, you know?

I've seen videos of people doing standing 720s on a stick in sf4, but I assume they just have magical hands that can do poo poo like that. There is a hitbox video of a guy doing it over and over as well, but the stick video was more impressive. I want to see him do a standing Tager 1080 on a hitbox, then I will be impressed.

YFDHippo
May 2, 2005

DOOM is no one's puppet! er... aw crap.

The guy in the hitbox video buffers everyone of the 720. On that note I've had a hitbox for a while and still can't do a normal 360 but that's just me and my dumb hands. I'll get it eventually I assume

Fingers McLongDong
Nov 30, 2005

not eromenos


reposting!!

Fingers McLongDong posted:

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Rules are in the signup page, going to do a quick ST tourney for fun this time. Everyone can play this game because it's on PC!! yay!!

Spaceship Zero
Jul 24, 2006

The soul of vengeance is a robot dinosaur

Ta da

Trykt
Jul 30, 2000

Still training..


Cross posting this for people who may not read the 3S thread but still may Care™:


Trykt posted:

Congratulations to Fingers McLongdong for winning this week's Goons Garden! Here is the full bracket for everyone to look at and then get angry that someone you know is garbage got further than you think they should:



Sign up for next week so you can destroy that fucker and poo poo on his grave!
As always, please keep in mind this is a free, online tournament and you will probably experience some lag and poo poo so try not to take this too seriously.


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Next XBL tournament is set for next Tuesday, 10PM Eastern, October 4th! Some people said Monday was bullshit because of football or something. Sports are for idiots, but it's cool we're moving it. There's also an ST tournament on Monday already anyway so deal with it.

IF YOU PLAY THIRD STRIKE AT ALL ON THE GODDAMN XBOX 360 AND YOU DON'T SIGN UP FOR THIS YOU ARE SERIOUSLY loving UP!

This poo poo is FREE and it's AWESOME. Thanks a whole bunch to Bebopaloobop (aka Bebo) for streaming that for us, it looked great and it was really fun watching and heckling fellow goons!

ShinsoBEAM!
Nov 6, 2008

"Even if this body of mine is turned to dust, I will defend my country."



They detected GET BLOWN UP! too many times obviously. A sad day for us all

Gwyrgyn Blood posted:

Edit: Posted in the KOF thread, but KOF13 got delayed until November 22, a week after UMvC3. Really bad sign for SNK and the game itself.

Yep pretty salty over this, I preordered KOF to hold me over till MBAA:CC came out but now :/.

always be closing
Jul 16, 2005


Shinso! this is ABC from lol, come play on GGPO with us, #goonsgarden son!

ShinsoBEAM!
Nov 6, 2008

"Even if this body of mine is turned to dust, I will defend my country."


OrangeCrush posted:

Shinso! this is ABC from lol, come play on GGPO with us, #goonsgarden son!

Nope, I prefer to get bodied in 3rd IRL, plus I got that fisherprice internet playing LoL at 300ms is fine playing fighting games hell no.

50 Cent Bulletproof
Apr 17, 2007

STRAIGHT EDGE
KAWAII DESU



This isn't being touched but I think this needs to be said -- I think there's something else going on here that we don't know about. I -seriously- doubt that the Department of Homeland Security would get involved and confiscate video/recording equipment because Spooky streams video games on the Internet. I'm not even sure that copyright infringement, which is technically what streaming is, is under their jurisdiction. The fact that they also took his cell phone, by his own admission, also seems very sketchy. It seems like they've got reason to believe he's up to something shady.

Did anyone catch the interview with him on that webshow earlier tonight? Curious if anymore details leaked out; his explanation video was extremely vague and sketchy in and of itself.

HKR
Jan 13, 2006



Homeland Security routinely seizes property during border crossing and the laws are in their favor. They need no other reason besides the fact you're in line.

ThePhenomenalBaby
May 3, 2011


50 Cent Bulletproof posted:

This isn't being touched but I think this needs to be said -- I think there's something else going on here that we don't know about. I -seriously- doubt that the Department of Homeland Security would get involved and confiscate video/recording equipment because Spooky streams video games on the Internet. I'm not even sure that copyright infringement, which is technically what streaming is, is under their jurisdiction. The fact that they also took his cell phone, by his own admission, also seems very sketchy. It seems like they've got reason to believe he's up to something shady.

you're right why would The Land Of The Free ever seize a persons property unless Spooky is actually a terrorist??????? All I know is my government never does anything wrong.

Actually all the DHS needs is suspicion and nothing else to violate your personal rights and also never return anything they confiscate 100% theft welcome to USA

Brett824
Mar 30, 2009

"Now I could let these dream killers kill my self-esteem, or use my arrogance as the steam to power my dreams"

Spooky's full account is available here. Doesn't seem too sketchy to me.

Roguelike
Jul 29, 2006
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You don't have to take our word for it though, how stuff works answers the question 'can the government take my laptop?' (yes, yes they can).

50 Cent Bulletproof
Apr 17, 2007

STRAIGHT EDGE
KAWAII DESU


I was under the impression that they had taken his stuff after he'd already been home, not at the border. Makes a little more sense. Did he not let them search his stuff?

ThePhenomenalBaby
May 3, 2011



VVVV There we go VVVVV

ThePhenomenalBaby fucked around with this message at Sep 28, 2011 around 05:39

Roguelike
Jul 29, 2006
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The 'search' for electronic equipment involves copying your entire hard drive and analyzing its contents (and sharing it with other departments). Since this isn't really feasible to do in a couple of hours, they just take your stuff and promise they'll give it back. They also promise to destroy all the data they copied if you're innocent.

They do not need probable cause.

Coughing-up Tweed
Jun 12, 2006



Constellation I
Apr 3, 2005
I'm a sucker, a little fucker.

It made kotaku.

http://kotaku.com/5844439/homeland-...seizes-hardware

Don't read the comments, obviously.

Constellation I fucked around with this message at Sep 28, 2011 around 06:28

Buckwheat Sings
Feb 9, 2005


Coughing-up Tweed posted:



Yeah nothing to worry about aside from losing expensive equipment for several months for no reason. If that's routine, welp...

Gutcruncher
Apr 16, 2005

Go home and be a family man!


Buckwheat Sings posted:

Yeah nothing to worry about aside from losing expensive equipment for several months for no reason. If that's routine, welp...

Haha, you think hes gonna get it back at all. To be so innocent again...

PalmTreeFun
Apr 25, 2010

*toot*


Good job dubya, kept 'Murica safe from freedom-hatin' terrists once again.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

mumblecrew

Friend from an offsite wanted me to post this. He isn't playing right now but they're cycling games. Just played 3s and are now on AE (marvel to come later, I'm trying to get MvC2 but it's a difficult battle).

http://www.twitch.tv/bestbout

Cinroth
Dec 11, 2008

Has it never occured
to you that this club
is overpopulated?

Received my Qanba Q4RAF from gremlinsolutions today and the stick owns and is rad as heck and everyone should own one because it owns.

Goodpart
Jan 9, 2004

Be top tier, my friend.


Cinroth posted:

Received my Qanba Q4RAF from gremlinsolutions today and the stick owns and is rad as heck and everyone should own one because it owns.
Sup, Q4 buddy!

They really are nice sticks. I've owned a TE and a Q3 and I think this is the best of the lot.

Fonzarelli
Aug 15, 2004

Jumping the Shark

Goodpart posted:

Sup, Q4 buddy!

They really are nice sticks. I've owned a TE and a Q3 and I think this is the best of the lot.

Yup totally. I got my qanba from play-asia last week and my game has improved dramatically over the lovely knockoff stick that I had.

S-Alpha
Oct 21, 2010

Fighting for truth, justice, and to Spark new moves.

ThePhenomenalBaby posted:

you're right why would The Land Of The Free ever seize a persons property unless Spooky is actually a terrorist??????? All I know is my government never does anything wrong.

Actually all the DHS needs is suspicion and nothing else to violate your personal rights and also never return anything they confiscate 100% theft welcome to USA

Yeah, gently caress those goddamn Americans, always stealing my stuff for absolutely zero reason at all, gently caress that poo poo man, fight the system, DOWN WITH THE GOVERNMENT.

ThePhenomenalBaby
May 3, 2011


come on now, I half-quoted yipes for a reason.

my ridiculous posts aside I think it's really unfair and dumb for something like this to happen.

also this ain't D&D so we should probably stop talking about it until something new develops!

S-Alpha
Oct 21, 2010

Fighting for truth, justice, and to Spark new moves.

ThePhenomenalBaby posted:

come on now, I half-quoted yipes for a reason.

my ridiculous posts aside I think it's really unfair and dumb for something like this to happen.

also this ain't D&D so we should probably stop talking about it until something new develops!

I'm so bad with fakeposting. I can never get it right. Too much time spent around the absolute crazies on either side, you start becoming blind to sarcasm.

I won't say it's not a little unfair, though. There is such a thing as being too paranoid.

Edit: But, yeah, I agree, not enough is known as of yet.

Ashenai
Oct 5, 2005

You taught me language;
and my profit on't
Is, I know how to curse.

S-Alpha posted:

Yeah, gently caress those goddamn Americans, always stealing my stuff for absolutely zero reason at all

This is kind of adorable because you clearly have a good picture in your head of how the system should work, and you're confusing it with reality.

Yes, Americans who have done nothing, literally nothing wrong or even suspicious get their poo poo stolen by the government all the time, and then the people like you--who haven't had any stuff stolen--always go "well I bet they're crazy and exaggerating."

(To be fair, I don't blame you, it felt kinda weird and hard to believe the first time I learned about it.)

Gamest Mook
Jun 22, 2011

by Ozmaugh


S-Alpha posted:

Yeah, gently caress those goddamn Americans, always stealing my stuff for absolutely zero reason at all, gently caress that poo poo man, fight the system, DOWN WITH THE GOVERNMENT.

Agreed.

Cat Machine
Jun 18, 2008

EASY OPERATION

Constellation I posted:

Don't read the comments, obviously.
gently caress you for saying this because then I went and read all the comments

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Cinroth
Dec 11, 2008

Has it never occured
to you that this club
is overpopulated?

Cat Machine posted:

gently caress you for saying this because then I went and read all the comments

I'm so sorry. I'll arrange with my assistant to have you brought behind the shed and shot.

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