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ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012


Dangerllama posted:

Uh...your SO's familly goes for Leafs and Habs?



You should just piss everyone in both families off and root for the Bruins.

Yeah the mother's side hates the father's side during hockey season.

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McDragon
Sep 11, 2007



I finally managed to settle my preferences this season. East Habs, West Kings.

I also like the Flyers, but I'm not too fussed when they get wrecked. They're just fun to watch.

Fauxhawk Express
Oct 28, 2007

Kidnapping an audience member? 10 POINTS!!!

I'm from Indiana, so I bandwagoned the Avs as a kid and rooted for the Sabres because Hasek ruled.

Kevyn
Mar 5, 2003

I just want to smile. Just once. I'd like to just, one time, go to Disney World and smile like the other boys and girls.

What effect does lovely watery ice (like in Boston right now) have on the game?

Hockles
Dec 25, 2007

Resident of Camp Blood
Crystal Lake



Kevyn posted:

What effect does lovely watery ice (like in Boston right now) have on the game?

The puck sticks in the puddles, making it impossible to pass through.

nature6pk
May 26, 2006
Left Coast Lame-o

Kevyn posted:

What effect does lovely watery ice (like in Boston right now) have on the game?

Stops the puck dead and softens the ice up which is bad news when you have NHL level skaters on it.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Tonight's starting lineup is
brought to you by Satan.


Also the tape on your stick gets wet and it gets stuck on the ice a lot as the solid ice tries to freeze it. Though I guess NHLers might not have that problem as they all have a wall of sticks to choose from.

Not like full on frozen, but when you add it all up the puck doesn't handle like you expect and it throws everything off.

I CHALLENGE THEE
Aug 25, 2005



I'm a Devils fan which may explain why I'm thinking about it but why was the neutral zone trap so reviled as a defensive strategy? For whatever reason I remember the 90s being a great time for hockey and I'm curious why the game was changed from that. Was it an attempt to increase scoring and make the game more "exciting" or what? Did the rule changes added after the last full-season lockout make the game better overall?

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

THIS IS HOW YOU SHUT THE DOOR


Because you can't trap effectively without obstructing the attacking players who don't have the puck or the former puck carrier who just dumped it in, and the easiest way to do that was by grabbing, hooking, or running a pick against the person most likely to receive a forward pass. It was boring watching bad hockey players sit on a lead with 15 minutes of interference.

Dangerllama
Nov 16, 2007



flakeloaf posted:

Because you can't trap effectively without obstructing the attacking players who don't have the puck or the former puck carrier who just dumped it in, and the easiest way to do that was by grabbing, hooking, or running a pick against the person most likely to receive a forward pass. It was boring watching bad hockey players sit on a lead with 15 minutes of interference.

Yeah, it was just really boring to watch.

I don't think the trap is characterized by "bad" hockey players. You can absolutely trap without clutching and grabbing. The system is characterized by clogging up the neutral zone by pulling your forecheckers off - creating a 3-on-2 or 4-on-3 in the neutral zone, not by interfering or otherwise being underhanded (though, obviously that helps). It was just a natural strategy when the two-line pass rule was in effect. To wit: the team still had to get the lead in order to sit on it. Notice that after the league got rid of the two-line pass rule, the trap has all but disappeared - at least in it's preposterously boring form. Teams can now easily beat a trap with the stretch pass/dump. Well, unless you're the Flyers.

Dangerllama fucked around with this message at May 18, 2013 around 22:04

Kennel
May 1, 2008

BAWWW-UNH!


Hey hockey fans! The Swiss national team plays today (Sunday) in IIHF World Championships finals against Sweden. This will be their first WC medal in 60 years.

While the annual WC tournament isn't such a big deal in North America, it has historically been a huge boost for successful European teams. Switzerland has so far surprised everyone and won 9 out of 9 games. Tomorrow they are making history (the final starts at 19:30 GMT).

I'm not joking. This is the biggest international event in the last ten years.

Kennel fucked around with this message at May 19, 2013 around 00:10

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011

If the body is a temple, then I've committed countless acts of desecration.


Dangerllama posted:

Yeah, it was just really boring to watch.

I don't think the trap is characterized by "bad" hockey players. You can absolutely trap without clutching and grabbing. The system is characterized by clogging up the neutral zone by pulling your forecheckers off - creating a 3-on-2 or 4-on-3 in the neutral zone, not by interfering or otherwise being underhanded (though, obviously that helps). It was just a natural strategy when the two-line pass rule was in effect. To wit: the team still had to get the lead in order to sit on it. Notice that after the league got rid of the two-line pass rule, the trap has all but disappeared - at least in it's preposterously boring form. Teams can now easily beat a trap with the stretch pass/dump. Well, unless you're the Flyers.

This is seriously my favorite video ever. So ridiculous that we would see that in an NHL game.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

MUNCH
MUNCH
MUNCH
MUNCH
MUNCH


Kennel posted:

Hey hockey fans! The Swiss national team plays today (Sunday) in IIHF World Championships finals against Sweden. This will be their first WC medal in 60 years.

While the annual WC tournament isn't such a big deal in North America, it has historically been a huge boost for successful European teams. Switzerland has so far surprised everyone and won 9 out of 9 games. Tomorrow they are making history (the final starts at 19:30 GMT).

I'm not joking. This is the biggest international event in the last ten years.

I hope Switzerland destroys stupid Edler's Sweden.

Does he still get a medal?

DOOP
Sep 3, 2011

On the first day of DOOPmas, Philly gave to me...
One JaaaaaaackMaaaaaac


Dangerllama posted:

Yeah, it was just really boring to watch.

I don't think the trap is characterized by "bad" hockey players. You can absolutely trap without clutching and grabbing. The system is characterized by clogging up the neutral zone by pulling your forecheckers off - creating a 3-on-2 or 4-on-3 in the neutral zone, not by interfering or otherwise being underhanded (though, obviously that helps). It was just a natural strategy when the two-line pass rule was in effect. To wit: the team still had to get the lead in order to sit on it. Notice that after the league got rid of the two-line pass rule, the trap has all but disappeared - at least in it's preposterously boring form. Teams can now easily beat a trap with the stretch pass/dump. Well, unless you're the Flyers.



I remember when the Flyers were not a dumpster heap on D. That owned

Postorder Trollet89
Jan 12, 2008
Sweden doesn't do religion. But if they did, it would probably be the best religion in the world.

Aphrodite posted:

I hope Switzerland destroys stupid Edler's Sweden.



5 - 1 Sweden - Swizerland

1st Period

0 - 1 about 5 minutes in for Swizerland

2 - 1 after 10 min powerplay for Sweden

2nd Period, nothing

3rd Period

5 - 1 Sweden Swizerland. One of which was sent from the swedish zone into an emty cage.


I can hear the noise from my window haha.

9of10
Feb 15, 2008

You can't get lost in the woods, if you never go into the woods.

Is NHL and IIHF World Championship fighting over the best US players, when they are run simultaneously?

a false
Mar 5, 2009

TURTLES ARE MORE CLOSELY RELATED TO HERMIT CRABS THAN THEY ARE TO ANY OTHER TERRESTRIAL ANIMAL BECAUSE TURTLES GO AROUND LOOKING FOR A SHELL JUST LIKE HERMIT CRABS
This is not an iguana btw, thats a turtle without its shell. Ask me about gambling too

9of10 posted:

Is NHL and IIHF World Championship fighting over the best US players, when they are run simultaneously?

No. NHL players aren't allowed to go and play in the IIHF championship until their team is eliminated from the playoffs (or they are otherwise given clearance by their team - this can happen if it's a minor-league level player who is good enough to play for their respective country but the team doesn't intend to use). The IIHF wouldn't allow any player intentionally violating their NHL contract to play in the tournament.

marioinblack
Sep 21, 2007

I'm getting too old for this shit.


Jordan7hm posted:

This is seriously my favorite video ever. So ridiculous that we would see that in an NHL game.
I was at this game. Usually you go to games hoping to see something you've never seen before, sometimes it comes in a hilarious way.

I was only hoping they wouldn't make a ton of new rules because of it though, and thankfully they didn't.

DOOMocrat
Oct 2, 2003

There'll be peace
when you are done


I realized today that other than the GM, I have no idea what most hockey executives do.

What does the President do that the GM doesn't? What hockey operations need directing?

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Tonight's starting lineup is
brought to you by Satan.


There's gotta be people that do work with advertising, scheduling all the travel and hotels, probably work with the arena on schedules, dealing with insurance, fun stuff like that.

DOOMocrat
Oct 2, 2003

There'll be peace
when you are done


We should probably ask the guy that worked (works?) for an NHL team. That was... Gremlin?

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

This is going to end badly for the owners. Very badly.


I added a section on ~fancystats~ to the second post and did minor housekeeping on both posts, including adding a small section on what a delayed penalty is (because how did I not have it in there before)

myron cope fucked around with this message at May 22, 2013 around 19:50

Hockles
Dec 25, 2007

Resident of Camp Blood
Crystal Lake



DOOMocrat posted:

I realized today that other than the GM, I have no idea what most hockey executives do.

What does the President do that the GM doesn't? What hockey operations need directing?

I know at least for football, I can give this example.

Mike Holmgren (no relation) was hired as the Browns President a few years ago. He was widely regarded as one of the best coaches of his time. He did a halfway decent job as a GM in Seattle, while also coach.

He brought up all the time that he was basically just the head of the organization as a whole. Sure it was a football team, and he had a ton of experience in the front office. But he hired a GM to deal specifically with the roster and football operations. Holmgren did a lot of financial stuff, marketing, was basically owner by proxy (our old owner was non-existant in the US).

The Browns got sold, he got let go, and left the city in several dump trucks filled with millions of $. The new owner got a president that is more known for the financial side of football, but is trying to interject himself into the football operations side of it, while having a GM that should do that stuff, but is handcuffed by the president.

I think that might help some.


e: depending on how the organization is structured, the person in the GM role may have different literal titles, but the same role. Director of Hockey Operations, President of Hockey Operations, Vice President, General Manager, etc

Hockles fucked around with this message at May 22, 2013 around 21:18

Zoran
Aug 19, 2008

Don't worry. I've got it under control.


myron cope posted:

I added a section on ~fancystats~ to the second post and did minor housekeeping on both posts, including adding a small section on what a delayed penalty is (because how did I not have it in there before)

In your explanation of delayed penalties you stated that any goal would negate the upcoming minor penalty, and then follow that with a discussion of own goals that happen during delayed penalties. I think it's worth specifying that only goals scored on the team that's about to be penalized will negate the penalty.

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

This is going to end badly for the owners. Very badly.


Zoran posted:

In your explanation of delayed penalties you stated that any goal would negate the upcoming minor penalty, and then follow that with a discussion of own goals that happen during delayed penalties. I think it's worth specifying that only goals scored on the team that's about to be penalized will negate the penalty.

Good point, I will add it. Thanks!

Hockles
Dec 25, 2007

Resident of Camp Blood
Crystal Lake



^^

...also, if a team is shorthanded already and has another delayed penalty against them, and they get scored on. The penalty with the least amount of time remaining will be canceled out and the delayed penalty will be served in full.

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myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

This is going to end badly for the owners. Very badly.


Hockles posted:

^^

...also, if a team is shorthanded already and has another delayed penalty against them, and they get scored on. The penalty with the least amount of time remaining will be canceled out and the delayed penalty will be served in full.

...damnit. I just closed the editor!!

(thanks)

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