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Myrddin Emrys posted:No, I really liked it too, and thought that the take on the character was fresh and unique. Then they just turned Tony into 616-Tony with a tumor. No they didn't. First off, Ultimates came before Cards stuff, so Card was the one ignoring continuity. And then they only mention the tumor once, and Millar decided he didn't like it, and retconned it out himself.
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Gettin' kinda mad that this whole 'one comic a week' thing has broken down again. 
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TheJoker138 posted:No they didn't. First off, Ultimates came before Cards stuff, so Card was the one ignoring continuity. And then they only mention the tumor once, and Millar decided he didn't like it, and retconned it out himself. Well, to be fair Ultimates only just barely came out first, and I don't think it directly contradicted anything from Iron Man until later anyway. Also they definitely mentioned the tumor more than once. When was it retconned out anyway?
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: Ultimate Iron Man needs a look that's distinct from 616. Right now I'm just seeing the Extremis armour and I can't even remember when and where it replaced his original stuff.
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Wachter posted:I've said it before and I'll say it again: Ultimate Iron Man needs a look that's distinct from 616. Right now I'm just seeing the Extremis armour and I can't even remember when and where it replaced his original stuff. It was transitioned to a more 616-like armor in Ultimates 3 and it kind of stuck, Frank Cho was flat out drawing the armor from the first movie.
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Wachter posted:I don't know if this is something that Millar changed for Ultimate Avengers, but Ultimate Punisher is a full-blown sadist as opposed to the ruthless, impassive pragmatist from 616. He doesn't just kill and torture people, he enjoys it. I think he'd make a great villain, especially since he's now broken his moral code by shooting Peter. I'm not sure that that's the best way to go with him, in part because Reed's already doing the good-guy-gone-(sort of)-bad thing, and in part because pure sadist bad guys are a combination of unpleasant and uninteresting, and Millar has been on a one-man mission to make sure they're as played out as possible (loving hell, what is up with Kick-rear end 2, by the way?). I'd be interested in reading what would happen if the Punisher decided to punish himself for something like this that he can't just rationalise away. He doesn't necessarily have to become Ultimate Penance, but it would be interesting to see its effects on the psyche of a man who just likes killing and has realised that his excuse is getting a bit weaker. Maybe that's a decent setup for a really vicious villain, but maybe it's some sort of turning point for him.
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I don't really like one-note sadist bad guys either, but I think the idea of a version of the Punisher who despises himself just as much as his victims has legs. The Ultimate Penance idea is interesting, too. Not in the sense that he should start wearing masochistic torture armour, of course, but making his vigilantism about redemption rather than revenge - I could get behind that. What I don't want to happen is for him to go back to being just an edgier version of the 616 guy. My favourite part about the Ultimate universe is the revamping and reimagining.
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Myrddin Emrys posted:Well, to be fair Ultimates only just barely came out first, and I don't think it directly contradicted anything from Iron Man until later anyway. What the gently caress are you talking about? Ultimates started in 2002, and the tumor was mentioned in issue 6 of it, so that would probably be around 2003 or so with the schedule it was on. It was whichever issue Tony and them all got together at his house. Ultimate Iron Man came out in 2005. So you're telling me that in the 2 years or so between them Card couldn't get around to reading Ultimates and make something that fit in with it? And it's never been hard retconned out, but Millar has said in interviews it was a mistake giving him the tumor and no one has ever mentioned it since (except maybe Loeb but he doesn't count).
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TheJoker138 posted:What the gently caress are you talking about? Ultimates started in 2002, and the tumor was mentioned in issue 6 of it, so that would probably be around 2003 or so with the schedule it was on. It was whichever issue Tony and them all got together at his house. Ultimate Iron Man came out in 2005. So you're telling me that in the 2 years or so between them Card couldn't get around to reading Ultimates and make something that fit in with it? It wasn't a mistake with the original concept of the Ultimate line. It was pretty apparent in the original issues of most of the comics that there was to be a sense of inevitability to all the titles. Xavier had his master plan with his "I can't wait til everything falls into place and all the mutants live here". Tony was going to die. People were supposed to die and STAY dead in the original conceit. But of course, making actual money is pretty important and when it all took off it became silly to want to kill anything permanently... but no one told Loeb that...
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TheJoker138 posted:What the gently caress are you talking about? Ultimates started in 2002, and the tumor was mentioned in issue 6 of it, so that would probably be around 2003 or so with the schedule it was on. It was whichever issue Tony and them all got together at his house. Ultimate Iron Man came out in 2005. So you're telling me that in the 2 years or so between them Card couldn't get around to reading Ultimates and make something that fit in with it? It was explicitly mentioned in the first issue of Ultimate Avengers vs. New Ultimates.
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SpeedofLife posted:It was explicitly mentioned in the first issue of Ultimate Avengers vs. New Ultimates. Man, that shows how much I've actually been paying attention to Millar's more recent work, I guess...
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TheJoker138 posted:Man, that shows how much I've actually been paying attention to Millar's more recent work, I guess... It was a kinda heartwarming moment when it's revealed that Tony never told his brother about the tumor and he has a collapse because of it.
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TheJoker138 posted:What the gently caress are you talking about? Ultimates started in 2002, and the tumor was mentioned in issue 6 of it, so that would probably be around 2003 or so with the schedule it was on. It was whichever issue Tony and them all got together at his house. Ultimate Iron Man came out in 2005. So you're telling me that in the 2 years or so between them Card couldn't get around to reading Ultimates and make something that fit in with it? Oh, when I googled it I guess I skimmed and saw late 2004 for Ultimates at 2005 for Iron Man, I guess I looked at the trade date for Ultimates. Sorry!
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The problem with the Ultimate Iron Man mini was that it felt like Card was just putting the name on some unrelated story idea that he had.
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I'm glad we never got Ultimate Iron Man 3, as I'm sure it would have been Iron Monger showing up, but instead of being evil he's just a gay dude, and then Tony would have had to murder him for trying to destroy the American way of life. I'm saying that Orson Scott Card is a terrible loving person.
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I could have sworn the tumor was brought up in an issue of Ultimate Fallout or something. It would be pretty interesting if they do something with it.
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Didn't they already remove most of it in Ultimates vs Ultimate Avengers?
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invalid user posted:Didn't they already remove most of it in Ultimates vs Ultimate Avengers? No.
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SpeedofLife posted:No. I remember them in the hospital, did they actually accomplish anything in regards to his health?
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invalid user posted:I remember them in the hospital, did they actually accomplish anything in regards to his health? No.
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So... how come marvel.com now lists Loeb as the writer for Ultimate X-Men #3?  EDIT: Oh it also says he wrote issue 2... which he didn't? Umm. 
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Falls Down Stairs posted:So... how come marvel.com now lists Loeb as the writer for Ultimate X-Men #3? Is Nick Spencer slowly being removed from Marvel?
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It's just an error, obviously.
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Nick Spencer is like Jeph Loeb's very own Tyler Durden. When his son died he splintered into two personalities, one of which was Spencer was was still writing good comics, completely unaware that he was actually Jeph Loeb, and the other that kept his name, and went bat poo poo crazy. Now the two are forming back into one.
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Side-note to the Tony's-brain-tumor discussion since I'm bingeing on everything Ultimate Marvel at the moment and seeing where stuff comes up for the first time for real: The first mention of it in anything Ultimate seems to be in Tony's appearance in Ultimate Team-Up, where it gives his backstory as something almost identical to his 616 version except instead of "shrapnel in my heart that is going to kill me unless I escape from these terrorists", it's "brain tumor I haven't told anyone about that is going to kill me unless I escape from these terrorists". These issues were written by Bendis, not Millar, and came out in 2001 so it predates his appearance in The Ultimates, so I don't think the tumor was Millar's idea. I really don't think Card's version of his backstory has ever been used by anyone but Card outside of the recent retcon. Edits: Wachter posted:I've said it before and I'll say it again: Ultimate Iron Man needs a look that's distinct from 616. Right now I'm just seeing the Extremis armour and I can't even remember when and where it replaced his original stuff. He had his old Ultimates look in Ellis' Ultimate Armor Wars mini at least. invalid user posted:It's shown as a tv show in one of the issues. The Card series I mean. That's what I meant by "the recent retcon". Falls Down Stairs fucked around with this message at Nov 6, 2011 around 06:09 |
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Falls Down Stairs posted:Side-note to the Tony's-brain-tumor discussion since I'm bingeing on everything Ultimate Marvel at the moment and seeing where stuff comes up for the first time for real: The first mention of it in anything Ultimate seems to be in Tony's appearance in Ultimate Team-Up, where it gives his backstory as something almost identical to his 616 version except instead of "shrapnel in my heart that is going to kill me unless I escape from these terrorists", it's "brain tumor I haven't told anyone about that is going to kill me unless I escape from these terrorists". These issues were written by Bendis, not Millar, and came out in 2001 so it predates his appearance in The Ultimates, so I don't think the tumor was Millar's idea. It's shown as a tv show in one of the issues. The Card series I mean.
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Falls Down Stairs posted:He had his old Ultimates look in Ellis' Ultimate Armor Wars mini at least. I think that may be the last time, sadly. I loved that armour! Instantly recognisable as Iron Man without taking too many cues.
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Hopefully with the return of "Classic" Ultimate Thor costume we might see a return to Iron Man's suit being unique from 616.
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TheJoker138 posted:Nick Spencer is like Jeph Loeb's very own Tyler Durden. When his son died he splintered into two personalities, one of which was Spencer was was still writing good comics, completely unaware that he was actually Jeph Loeb, and the other that kept his name, and went bat poo poo crazy. Now the two are forming back into one. What?
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^burtle posted:What? It was a joke. Read the three posts above that.
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So USM#4: Miles is awesome, Ganke is loving awesome. Love how everything is coming together and next one should be pretty good.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:So USM#4: Came here to post this almost word for word. I also like the difference that while Peter used his powers for personal gain, and then realized he had a higher calling, Miles is just a scared kid and it's fear, not greed, keeping him from his full potential. I also think it's hilarious where his costume came from. Looking forward to #5, if only for the REALLY awkward talk that's about to happen.
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Also, anyone bothered to check the the previous comics to see if he was in the crowds?
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Also, anyone bothered to check the the previous comics to see if he was in the crowds? All the crowds in 160 are silhouettes, except in one panel, in the page where MJ is yelling that they should call an ambulance, where there's a random black dude standing next to Aunt May and Gwen. This could be him, or just...some random black dude.
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So, the whole Ultimates line is going to have download codes packed in starting in January. I don't think I like this - it just seems more like an opportunity for Marvel to indulge in their polybag fetish than an honest attempt to build up a digital base.
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Black Lighter posted:I don't think I like this - it just seems more like an opportunity for Marvel to indulge in their polybag fetish than an honest attempt to build up a digital base. You're making absolutely no sense with this. They are not charging an increased price. How is it not an honest attempt to build a digital base? The bag is viewed as a necessity to prevent the theft of codes. Like how vinyl albums with download codes are shrinkwrapped.
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So now that Miles has encountered Gwen is it a safe bet that we'll never see her in the book again? Is this what they meant when they said he'd seek advice from her?
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Rhyno posted:So now that Miles has encountered Gwen is it a safe bet that we'll never see her in the book again? Is this what they meant when they said he'd seek advice from her? Well the book is just now catching up with current Ultimate continuity. I guess it really depends how long/if May and Gwen stay in France or not.
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bairfanx posted:You're making absolutely no sense with this. They are not charging an increased price. How is it not an honest attempt to build a digital base? Because it would probably be easier and cheaper to cover up the download code with a sticker of some kind, and probably even easier to just offer people the choice between a coded copy and a regular one.
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Black Lighter posted:Because it would probably be easier and cheaper to cover up the download code with a sticker of some kind, and probably even easier to just offer people the choice between a coded copy and a regular one. Where are you putting this removable sticker? Presumably not on your precious ad space on the back cover. So it's on the inside and has to be one that isn't strong enough to tear paper. And they're going to be inserted... manually? because if you're making it a part of the printing process, you're probably going to need a new machine to automate it. Or it would be easier to just two two print runs of a book that you're selling at the same price as each other for people who don't want something for free? Something they can give to a friend or sell for a buck (recouping some of that drat $4 cover price). Nah, this scenario is all about the polybag fetish. Yep.
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