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Krypt-OOO-Nite!! posted:^^^ Some versions he guides the arrow.
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| # ? May 22, 2012 13:20 |
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bobkatt013 posted:Some versions he guides the arrow. Other versions, he's the one who crafted the arrow in the first place. An arrow tipped with an innocent bit of mistletoe/holly (depending on your source).
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Malachite_Dragon posted:Other versions, he's the one who crafted the arrow in the first place. An arrow tipped with an innocent bit of mistletoe/holly (depending on your source). I thought it was in most versions he found out that Balder could be hurt by mistletoe so he created the arrow then during one of the gods favriote pasttimes - hitting Balder with stuff to see if they could hurt him, Lodi tricked a blind god to use the arrow killing Balder.
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| # ? May 22, 2012 13:28 |
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Yep. Mistletoe being the one item in existence that had not been asked to swear a vow never to harm Balder, since it had been assumed that it was too small and inconsequential to ever be a threat in the first place  We should probably end this derail here, though.VVV Agreed. I'd make it myself, but I wouldn't know where to begin. Malachite_Dragon fucked around with this message at May 22, 2012 around 14:06 |
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Malachite_Dragon posted:We should probably end this derail here, though. Agreed, but if someone were to start a "PYF Crazy poo poo mythological characters do" thread, it would be awesome. I don't know enough about them to start one, but I'd read it religiously.
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| # ? May 22, 2012 14:02 |
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AFewBricksShy posted:Agreed, but if someone were to start a "PYF Crazy poo poo mythological characters do" thread, it would be awesome. I don't know enough about them to start one, but I'd read it religiously.  Really it kind of irrationally irritates me that every time a blockbuster comes out that's popular, goons come out of the woodwork trying to tear into it all of its deal-breaking flaws. Happened with Avengers, happened with the Dark Knight. These movies have flaws, but I swear it's like people just decide they hate a movie then sit there thinking of a roundabout way to justify that.
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Heres Hank posted:Really it kind of irrationally irritates me that every time a blockbuster comes out that's popular, goons come out of the woodwork trying to tear into it all of its deal-breaking flaws. Happened with Avengers, happened with the Dark Knight. These movies have flaws, but I swear it's like people just decide they hate a movie then sit there thinking of a roundabout way to justify that. Or maybe, when a movie comes out that lots of people see, some of those people are annoyed by parts of that movie. So when you see a lot of people complaining about a really popular film, it's possible that some of them were determined to hate it right from the start but just the fact that a lot of people saw it will mean that a lot of people will complain about it. If 1,000 people see a film and 1% of them hate it, that's only ten people. If 1,000,000 people see a film and 1% of them hate it, that's 10,000 people who hate it, and the bigger a group is the more likely you are to interact with them.
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| # ? May 22, 2012 15:04 |
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Heres Hank posted:Really it kind of irrationally irritates me that every time a blockbuster comes out that's popular, goons come out of the woodwork trying to tear into it all of its deal-breaking flaws. Happened with Avengers, happened with the Dark Knight. These movies have flaws, but I swear it's like people just decide they hate a movie then sit there thinking of a roundabout way to justify that.  People interpret movies in different ways, and a lot of times hearing other people voice their opinions on a moment you found irrationally irritating changes your opinion of the scene as well. vv Oh god, our avatars together are going to give someone epilepsy. hyperhazard fucked around with this message at May 22, 2012 around 16:18 |
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^^^poo poo, I think they're giving me epilepsy  Sometimes it just seems like people deliberately look for something to hate about it, and they settle on the nitpicky stuff (I'd post an example but I haven't been to bed yet and I can't think of one off the top of my head, but I'm sure you know what I mean.) Critiquing is one thing, but adamantly refusing to suspend disbelief whatsoever is just  inducing.
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When a big-name blockbuster comes out, there probably is a certain segment of people who are determined to tear into it no matter what. But for the most part, what you really will see are people who have genuine complaints, especially when it's something in an otherwise good movie that feels as if things would have been perfect had it just been done a bit different. A big 'let-down' factor can make flaws seem all the more egregious because it's crap on a diamond. Not all of it's perfectly rational, but that's what this thread is good for, at least. That said, some people also have a different tolerance for weird irritations with movies, and sometimes these vary by context, and sometimes, once again, without a whole lot of logic to them. For example, ID4 is one of my giant guilty pleasures. For some reason the movie encouraged me to totally turn my brain off to the point where I didn't even notice most of the usual complaints with it, and even when I heard them later, I was like "Eh". My suspension of disbelief is basically a rubber bridge for this movie. When I saw Terminator 3, however, a film I had been looking forward to with bated breath and much anticipation.. I was frothing at the mouth from the get-go with all kinds of problems with timelines, all-too-convenient plot progression and stupidity in the name of fanservice, the super-technology, and basically making GBS threads all over the beloved movie(thematically and otherwise) from whence it came. I will throw away my pride and admit T3 doesn't just irritate me, it sends me into a twitching fit of blinding rage. When comparing a movie with an alien invasion beaten by the U.S. President and a drunkard in fighter jets and a nerd with an iMac virus killing an unknown alien ship's systems, to a movie about killer robots from the future, the former sounds so much worse than the latter. But I can't help where my irrational movie moment bias rests.
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The thing that bugged me about the scene in Avengers as the carrier was taking off, was that they actually thought it was good idea to stroll over to peer at the gigantic turbines which were sucking in vast quantities of air at high speed. There weren't even safety rails!
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Stoatbringer posted:The thing that bugged me about the scene in Avengers as the carrier was taking off, was that they actually thought it was good idea to stroll over to peer at the gigantic turbines which were sucking in vast quantities of air at high speed. There weren't even safety rails! I pointed out the exact same thing on the previous page.
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Heres Hank posted:
Man, just cause I'm arguing that the intended message of a movie doesn't really gel with the material they are working from doesn't mean I didn't like the movie. The Avengers was all sorts of crazy fun and Thor was a decent action flick. I just pointed out that trying to cram an anti genocide message in a flick about supernatural monsters whose goal is to destroy the world seems a bit... gently caress, can you see Gandalf going on about how it would be wrong to kill the orcs/trolls etc? And no, Gollum isn't in the same league as those, for all intents and purposes he had free will, the orcs/trolls seemingly did not and Gandalf showed no qualms about mowing them down. And this could have been easily avoided by not having Loki being a troll, simply an rear end in a top hat asgardian trying to start a war with the trolls as a way to get to power. If you want to include the message in your movie that genocide is wrong you better make the villains more like Klingons than Orcs. But hey, feel free to dismiss my "irritation" as irrational.
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MeLKoR posted:Man, just cause I'm arguing that the intended message of a movie doesn't really gel with the material they are working from doesn't mean I didn't like the movie. The Avengers was all sorts of crazy fun and Thor was a decent action flick. I really don't think they were trying to make a "message" of it. That genocide is wrong is mostly offered as a given, something that the audience is expected to know already. I could understand you terping it that way if the audience was expected to cheer for Thor in the beginning, then be convinced by the movie that he was wrong. However, that's not the case. Thor is shown to be arrogant and naive, and outright called an ignorant immature war monger by Odin. The point of the movie is to watch Thor grow up. We as the audience are expected to have already arrived at the conclusion that peace is preferable to war. The movie doesn't need to and doesn't try to convince anyone of that.
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I haven't seen Thor, but did it mention any of the Marvel backstory, other than Odin finding the kid Loki pretty much locked in a closet, with how the other Asgards treated him? I remember, at least in the comics, that he was pretty much looked down on by the other gods because he wasn't a muscle-bound jock, and really, compared to Thor, it would be a pretty rough childhood when your brother is the walking perfect guy. So yes he's a bitter jealous guy but since he clearly doesn't remember the being-locked-in-a-pantry and his giant heritage, I probably would be too. Anyway! Can I make a note again on a TV show? The kids were watching the new Avatar show and there was an episode where the bad guy Amon has the new Avatar girl at his mercy, and he is capable of taking away the bending talents. But he holds off on her because he says it would make her a martyr to the cause and the benders would go nuts. ....but seeing as he is taking away any and all bending powers he can, the benders are ALREADY going to go nuts and some of them are. Seeing as no one is hoping for the Avatar to bring peace around these days, why NOT take away her powers and then just kill her? Also one of the kids, who is biracial herself, asked me how the son of Aang (Asian/white) and Katara (native/Eskimo) would have a lily white son. It's hard to answer that when the kid asking is only seven.
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Cowslips Warren posted:I haven't seen Thor, but did it mention any of the Marvel backstory, other than Odin finding the kid Loki pretty much locked in a closet, with how the other Asgards treated him? I remember, at least in the comics, that he was pretty much looked down on by the other gods because he wasn't a muscle-bound jock, and really, compared to Thor, it would be a pretty rough childhood when your brother is the walking perfect guy. So yes he's a bitter jealous guy but since he clearly doesn't remember the being-locked-in-a-pantry and his giant heritage, I probably would be too. The son is this man 
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Cowslips Warren posted:Can I make a note again on a TV show? The kids were watching the new Avatar show and there was an episode where the bad guy Amon has the new Avatar girl at his mercy, and he is capable of taking away the bending talents. But he holds off on her because he says it would make her a martyr to the cause and the benders would go nuts. ....but seeing as he is taking away any and all bending powers he can, the benders are ALREADY going to go nuts and some of them are. Seeing as no one is hoping for the Avatar to bring peace around these days, why NOT take away her powers and then just kill her? That's just the thing though, he isn't just randomly unbending people. He started with the organized criminals, then (Korra spoilers) at the Pro-Bending finals, took out a team that notoriously cheated and injured people to stay on top. Plus they were total jerks. It helps to rally more non-benders to his cause if the publicized attacks are against benders who use their abilities to oppress other people. He's stated he has a plan for exactly when he wants to deal with Korra, and he isn't quite there yet. quote:Also one of the kids, who is biracial herself, asked me how the son of Aang (Asian/white) and Katara (native/Eskimo) would have a lily white son. It's hard to answer that when the kid asking is only seven. Just look up some youtubes on recessive genes and have him watch that. 
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Cowslips Warren posted:Also one of the kids, who is biracial herself, asked me how the son of Aang (Asian/white) and Katara (native/Eskimo) would have a lily white son. It's hard to answer that when the kid asking is only seven. If it helps, their kids had varying skin tones. Tenzin's the lightest of them and takes the most after his father in appearance (and airbending) otherwise. This is some official art of the the whole family: 
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Toph's kid being a metalbender in a 'modern' setting where a whole hell of a lot of things are made of metal seems like she'd be quite high on the power scale.
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| # ? May 23, 2012 02:02 |
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Having just re-watched Thor I want to retract my previous statements, I'm no longer certain Loki's problem is that he's a frost giant. His brain is a bag full of cats but odds are that he's just plain nuts. Given that the trolls are evil but they don't look insane odds are that he was just dropped on his head as a baby and the trolls are theoretically redeemable. So yeah, Klingons not Orcs. v v
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It didn't help any that Odin was saying almost exactly the wrong things to a guy who believed he was his son and just found out he was in fact a frost giant before conveniently falling into the Odincoma or whatever it's called. I know Norse gods are supposed to be boneheaded from time to time, but
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Killer robot posted:If it helps, their kids had varying skin tones. Tenzin's the lightest of them and takes the most after his father in appearance (and airbending) otherwise. This is some official art of the the whole family: Yeah, the kids both saw this and called, accurately, bullshit. "Unless Tenzin is adopted he should look more like his mom too." They even pointed out that another pair of kids I know have a black dad and a white mom, and both kids have looks from both parents. So far the two older kids have decided that Tenzin is adopted but it's some huge family secret. I let them go with that.
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kinmik posted:
I'm going to point it out on the next page. Oh gently caress, I've broken the timeline, haven't I?
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Cowslips Warren posted:Yeah, the kids both saw this and called, accurately, bullshit. "Unless Tenzin is adopted he should look more like his mom too." 
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Cowslips Warren posted:Yeah, the kids both saw this and called, accurately, bullshit. "Unless Tenzin is adopted he should look more like his mom too." ...Is it really THAT hard to just find them a Bill Nye about recessive genes?
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Heres Hank posted:...Is it really THAT hard to just find them a Bill Nye about recessive genes? Really the colors struck me less than Kya and Bumi both having such long faces while their parents both are more round-faced even as adults. But yeah, genetics is funny.
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Cowslips Warren posted:Yeah, the kids both saw this and called, accurately, bullshit. "Unless Tenzin is adopted he should look more like his mom too." No one in my family has red hair, going back at least 6 generations. I have a dark red beard. Seriously, teach them about recessive genes already, it's not that hard!
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Kruller posted:No one in my family has red hair, going back at least 6 generations. I have a dark red beard. Seriously, teach them about recessive genes already, it's not that hard! Also his voice actor is most famous for playing a nazi.
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| # ? May 23, 2012 05:29 |
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bobkatt013 posted:Also his voice actor is most famous for playing a nazi. J Jonah Jameson is a dickhead, but not a literal Nazi.
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| # ? May 23, 2012 05:33 |
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Kruller posted:J Jonah Jameson is a dickhead, but not a literal Nazi. I still see him as Schillinger who was a nazi and pure evil.
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bobkatt013 posted:I still see him as Schillinger who was a nazi and pure evil. I'll not stand for the sullying of the name of the great businessman Cave Johnson.
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bobkatt013 posted:I still see him as Schillinger who was a nazi and pure evil. Sure, he did that, but that's most definitely not what he's most famous for. Here's an irrationally irritating movie moment: Any and every time conflict is caused by people refusing to communicate. For instance, the person who gets bit and hides it in every zombie movie ever made. Every single one of them is a coward who won't speak up because they don't want to die. I haven't watched every zombie movie ever made, but so far every last one I've seen has them hiding it, changing, and then fail to take out anyone, or if they do take someone out, it's the black guy. This also applies to LOST, and many other serial dramas. Just SAY something, and you can all avoid a world of pain. I want a show where the conflict isn't caused by this stupid, stupid crutch.
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Kruller posted:Sure, he did that, but that's most definitely not what he's most famous for. We're all mortal. People have a tendency to want to continue living, however miserably. You don't want to imagine how it might feel to have that creeping fever leading to fatal zombosis, and remembering those helpful PSAs that tell you what's going on... In my humble opinion, self sacrifice (and sucking down on someone else's shotgun) is a very noble, proper and unlikely thing someone with a brain infection would do. It's like there is a sharp drop-off from the initial infection where you know you should off yourself, and then your senses get dulled, and you waffle a bit. Then you're basically retarded and...
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| # ? May 23, 2012 08:50 |
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Kruller posted:Here's an irrationally irritating movie moment: The gently caress you talking about with the "if they do take someone out its the black guy?"??
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Krypt-OOO-Nite!! posted:The gently caress you talking about with the "if they do take someone out its the black guy?"?? The movie convention that the black guy is usually the first to die. If a black guy is unavailable, then it transfers to the nearest, darkest-skinned non-white ethnic member of the group.
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^^^ Yea I know the old joke about Horror/action movies and the black character. But it seems kind of out of place especially when put in context with zombie movies with the old Romero movies making a point to normally have the closest thing to a hero character being black. I can't think of a zombie movie that seems to treat it's black characters in a lovely way. Then again I haven't seen most of the million half arsed zombie movies that have been shoveled out in the last ten years.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:The movie convention that the black guy is usually the first to die. If a black guy is unavailable, then it transfers to the nearest, darkest-skinned non-white ethnic member of the group. The safest character in any movie is the strong, but not too strong, white virgin girl. The second that girl even suggests she may have a sexual past, or sexual interest in anyone, or even mentions something that could be considered sexual, like "this floor is hard", then she is next up on the death list, because she is a whore. Basically, just watch the first Scream movie for the rules of who dies and in what order. The fact that they're still followed is pretty repugnant. Deep Blue Sea gets a pass for having two dudes live, one of whom is black, though.
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Kruller posted:Deep Blue Sea gets a pass for having two dudes live, one of whom is black, though. The best part is, that the lived by popular demand of test audiences who did not like the original ending.
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Krypt-OOO-Nite!! posted:^^^ You're absolutely right when it comes to Romero films or even some of the other earlier zombie films. Night of the Living Dead - Black Guy is the last guy left alive Dawn of the Dead - Black Guy and White Girl are last two people alive Day of the Dead - Black Guy, White Girl and British Dude are last three people alive Return of the Living Dead - Black Guy and a bunch of other people (including a Black Girl) are the last people alive until... Land of the Dead had a bit of a twist where the Black Guy is the lead zombie that basically rallies the zombie troops, invades the city where all the survivors are, kills the main villain, then leads the rest of the zombies into the zombie promised land. EDIT: Do I need to spoiler any of those? Most of them are at least twenty years old. Pope Corky the IX fucked around with this message at May 23, 2012 around 12:13 |
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As to the Thor/genocide stuff, maybe I'm applying Norse mythology to the movie too much, but the frost giants never really struck me as a race of people as much as a force of nature. I mean, they're titanic angry creature made of cold and evil, and the movie doesn't exactly portray them as a race of sentient people with any sort of culture or heritage. They apparently just hang around in ice until it's time to murder people. Wiping out Jotunheim seemed like the equivalent of stopping a natural disaster.
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