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bobkatt013 posted:What about movies like MASH were the whole point is the comedy dealing with the hosed up situation they are in? To clarify, the problem comes when the tone of the movie changes significantly, and for pretty weak plot concerns, such as "she doesn't like him anymore but no, wait, yes she does." MASH had a unique approach throughout, and it worked just fine. And the comedy that was there was fairly mature (not in a gross-out way, either).
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I hate it when CPR is performed in movies and television. Every single time, they don't give enough chest compressions.Wikipedia posted:A universal compression to ventilation ratio of 30:2 is recommended. With children, if at least 2 rescuers are present a ratio of 15:2 is preferred. In newborns a rate of 3:1 is recommended unless a cardiac cause is known in which case a 15:2 ratio is reasonable. If an advanced airway such as an endotracheal tube or laryngeal mask airway is in place delivery of respirations should occur without pauses in compressions at a rate of 8–10 per minute. The recommended order of interventions is chest compressions, airway, breathing or CAB in most situations, with a compression rate of at least 100 per minute in all groups. I think I've only seen one situation in which they correctly executed the full procedure. Can't remember if it was a movie, might have even been some anime or game, but I do remember throwing my arms up and shouting, "loving finally!"
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kinmik posted:The way I learned it in my CPR certification class was to give at least thirty chest compressions, then give mouth-to-mouth, check for pulse, and if unresponsive, repeat. I understand the audience won't want to watch an actor tire themselves humping a body for a whole minute, but at least give us something that suggests that they've not been doing it completely wrong. My understanding is that they don't even teach the artificial respiration part anymore, it's all about compressions/minute and the mouth-to-mouth doesn't improve the outcome at all unless it's a case of drowning. Similarly, defibrillators don't loving work if there's no heartbeat. The point of a defibrillator in real life is that the heart's beating in an unhealthy rhythym, either v-fib or v-tach, and the defibrillator current pulse *stops* the heart, and then the heart's pacemaker is able to restore a normal heart rhythm. If the EKG's already flatlined, then you're either injecting adrenaline into the guy or you go through his pockets and look for loose change. But in the movies, flatlines are routinely shocked into normal rhythm by defibrillators.
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kinmik posted:I think I've only seen one situation in which they correctly executed the full procedure. Can't remember if it was a movie, might have even been some anime or game, but I do remember throwing my arms up and shouting, "loving finally!" The best (hilarious) example I can think of is the first season of Lost, where Matthew Fox tries to resuscitate Dominic Monaghan's character, fails after a minute or so, then starts beating the poo poo out of his chest. He literally punches him back to life. It's a miracle -- Charlie's alive and awake with no neurological damage, internal bleeding, or broken ribs!  Not a movie, I know, but still a scene that drives me crazy. VVV Yes  (Really though, Jack was a doctor. It's more about him knowing better than the fact that Charlie comes back to life.) hyperhazard fucked around with this message at May 17, 2012 around 19:22 |
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hyperhazard posted:The best (hilarious) example I can think of is the first season of Lost, where Matthew Fox tries to resuscitate Dominic Monaghan's character, fails after a minute or so, then starts beating the poo poo out of his chest. He literally punches him back to life. Did you also get mad when the island allowed for Locke to walk again and cure Rose's cancer?
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I might be remembering wrong but didn't the movie Flatliners do that 'use defibrillator to restart the heart' thing a lot? e: Also, the island in LOST is magic. 
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bobkatt013 posted:Did you also get mad when the island allowed for Locke to walk again and cure Rose's cancer? I literally had a response that was "No man, The Island brought him back" but I deleted it because The Island definitely brought him back in an irritating way only to kill him off again.
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hyperhazard posted:The best (hilarious) example I can think of is the first season of Lost, where Matthew Fox tries to resuscitate Dominic Monaghan's character, fails after a minute or so, then starts beating the poo poo out of his chest. He literally punches him back to life. That's actually a real thing. However, like CPR, it wasn't shown realistically.
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| # ? May 17, 2012 20:25 |
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I vaguely recall reading somewhere that CPR isn't shown realistically because, if done properly on a person who doesn't need it (like an actor), it can actually gently caress them up.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:I vaguely recall reading somewhere that CPR isn't shown realistically because, if done properly on a person who doesn't need it (like an actor), it can actually gently caress them up.
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kinmik posted:Realistically pounding on a person's chest can gently caress them up pretty badly as well. Well, yeah. I didn't think I needed to say anything, I thought it was just assumed. 
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Malachite_Dragon posted:I vaguely recall reading somewhere that CPR isn't shown realistically because, if done properly on a person who doesn't need it (like an actor), it can actually gently caress them up.  A little bit of an exaggeration, but I can understand why movies tend to fake it. Some just do it better than others.
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I guess the only movie I remember seeing CPR being done "realistically" is when Ed Harris tries to resuscitate Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio in The Abyss. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q60x_5WOqk
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The trailer for 'Brave' makes me want to punch a baby in the jaw. I don't know what it is but I've sat through this thing three times and each time I seethe. I hate everything in it, I hate the accents, I hate what little of the premise I can make out, I hate the hell out of the tag line. "If yeau could change yeaur destiny, would yeau?" with that loving overwrought soundtrack blaring like they just showed me Lord of the Jurassic Park Rings. I hope this bombs harder than Mars Needs Moms.
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I think the trailers are just bad. Watch the Japanese one, it makes the movie look a lot better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zzSqWUmlts.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:I think the trailers are just bad. Watch the Japanese one, it makes the movie look a lot better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zzSqWUmlts. On the other hand the lip syncing looks loving awful. They are speaking complete sentences while their mouths are closed.
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Mu Zeta posted:On the other hand the lip syncing looks loving awful. They are speaking complete sentences while their mouths are closed. Clearly you've never seen the old Godzilla vs Whatever movies. 
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Avengers was a very enjoyable movie, but a few things irked me: Ironman couldn't have spun the rotor. First up, his suit accelerates in a straight line, second, centrifugal force would have thrown him against the sidewall in no time. Again with Ironman; he gets slammed with Thor's hammer, pounded into the ground, and executes high G turns that would have turned the fleshy contents of the suit into Stark brand jam. The suit has no padding, each impact would pulverize his bones. The nuke. How did a shadowy triumvirate manage to launch a nuke into the most populous city in the US mere hours after the invasion begun. Also, where was the president to make the call? The nuke again. So the nuke for some reason wasn't set to airburst like most others - but it also didn't detonate when Ironman flew it over the city. Also, the missile had momentum, he didn't need to go through the portal with it. I'm also not sure why he passed out when he went through, or why he fell back through the portal. God, nerd rage.
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@KJ&AR@ posted:Avengers was a very enjoyable movie, but a few things irked me: Oddly enough none of that really bothered me. "Comic!" hand-waving covered all that just fine. Major Avengers spoiler: What REALLY irritated me was Agent Coulson's death. I knew Whedon would kill someone off, he is Whedon after all. But Coulsoun?! Damnit, I liked that guy. Worst part is that it was solid, logical reasoning behind it all.
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Retro42 posted:Oddly enough none of that really bothered me. "Comic!" hand-waving covered all that just fine. That loving broke my heart, it did. <3 Coulson
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Retro42 posted:Oddly enough none of that really bothered me. "Comic!" hand-waving covered all that just fine. He was told that had to happen. he had no say in it.
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Honestly, none of that stuff really irks me at all about Avengers. Iron Man's suit has been previously shown to be capable of, you know, TURNING in mid-air. It's never been specified what kind of padding it has, but the fact that we've seen Tony get thrashed around wearing it in two other movies makes the assumption that it has ZERO padding... well, a very very silly assumption. What I absolutely cannot stand though, and I won't spoil tag it because it's the opening scene of the movie, is Cobie Smulders vs. Hawkeye. If you only know one thing about Hawkeye... well, you probably know that he has a bow. But if you only know two things, the second is that he has perfect aim with every weapon. This makes half the opening sequence very, very confusing if you're a fan. If you know NOTHING about the character, he just looks like a bitch and a loser in the opening because up front the first thing you see him do is shoot at Cobie Smulders for ten minutes and miss every time. I mean, the lady is thin, but come on. Throw in some SHIELD agent extras for the guy to thrash around, or have the chick loving duck behind something and call for backup when Hawkeye is shooting at her because when Hawkeye shoots at you either you die or make him shoot at something else. It just reeked of Whedon never having enough pretty ladies from his fantasies to be sassy and heroic. I expected that kind of bullshit when I heard he was directing, but having it immediately downplay the capabilities of one of the less-known Avengers was a terrible idea.
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Retro42 posted:Oddly enough none of that really bothered me. "Comic!" hand-waving covered all that just fine. I didn't understand that part and what came afterwards at all. So the heroes are all at each other's throats but what brings them together and spurs them to action is the death of a random guy who none of them really knows. Not the no doubt hundreds of carrier personnel who died in the attack, or their mind controlled friends, or the billions of innocents on Earth, no they did it for the slightly creepy guy who was basically Toby from The Office. I know he's been featured in the other movies but come on, he would have been just some dude to them.
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Der Luftwaffle posted:I didn't understand that part and what came afterwards at all. Tony "Gives No Shits" Stark knows him. If Tony Stark sets his jaw because someone died off-camera and probably isn't dead because SHIELD can afford good healthcare then the rest of them give a poo poo.
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Der Luftwaffle posted:I didn't understand that part and what came afterwards at all. The previous movies showed Tony was good friends with him. Black Widow and Hawkeye worked closely with him. Thor showed respect to him, and Captain America respects everyone.
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bobkatt013 posted:The previous movies showed Tony was good friends with him. Black Widow and Hawkeye worked closely with him. Thor showed respect to him, and Captain America respects everyone. From what I saw, Tony treated him like an annoying errand-boy in all the movies, Black Widow and Hawkeye just knew his name and he talked to Thor and Captain America once or twice. I don't know if he's in the comics or something because a lot of people seem to assume there's some deep relationship that just isn't there. If Pepper Potts were a superhero and reacted like the others, I could buy it since they bothered to add some exposition there. Now I liked the character, but it was a huge stretch to base the motivations of 5 main characters on him. Der Luftwaffle fucked around with this message at May 18, 2012 around 04:58 |
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Heres Hank posted:Honestly, none of that stuff really irks me at all about Avengers. Iron Man's suit has been previously shown to be capable of, you know, TURNING in mid-air. It's never been specified what kind of padding it has, but the fact that we've seen Tony get thrashed around wearing it in two other movies makes the assumption that it has ZERO padding... well, a very very silly assumption. Where would this impression come from? Nothing in the movie established he never misses with any weapon. His shot on Fury wasn't a head shot or a kill shot, just a center mass shot. In the comics he's basically a chump who shoots arrows, most of the time they hit but then other times someone with real power/skill gets mad and kicks his face in for him. He was portrayed like a skilled human playing a super-human game, which he is.
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Supreme Allah posted:Where would this impression come from? Nothing in the movie established he never misses with any weapon. His shot on Fury wasn't a head shot or a kill shot, just a center mass shot. In the comics he's basically a chump who shoots arrows, most of the time they hit but then other times someone with real power/skill gets mad and kicks his face in for him. He was portrayed like a skilled human playing a super-human game, which he is. He plugs Loki in the head twice with his first two shots fired in the movie, it just does nothing because, you know, Loki. Later in the movie, he shoots moving targets several times without looking at them. In Thor, Coulson specifically requested that he use a rifle instead of a bow to deal with Thor. In Ultimate Marvel, he kills a room full of people by ripping out his fingernails and flicking them. And this is the character who trades fire with Aunt Robin for an extended sequence without a single hit? Damnit, man, with that much ammo I could have landed a hit.
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Heres Hank posted:He plugs Loki in the head twice with his first two shots fired in the movie, it just does nothing because, you know, Loki. Later in the movie, he shoots moving targets several times without looking at them. In Thor, Coulson specifically requested that he use a rifle instead of a bow to deal with Thor. In Ultimate Marvel, he kills a room full of people by ripping out his fingernails and flicking them. And this is the character who trades fire with Aunt Robin for an extended sequence without a single hit? Damnit, man, with that much ammo I could have landed a hit. I get the idea but there's a big difference between Ultimate Hawkeye, who is Bullseye [has a power where he never, flat out, ever, misses], and regular universe Hawkeye, who is a highly skilled marksmen. It's subtle but in one case, he can and does miss, especially when spraying bullets at a fast moving target from a fast moving platform. The more frustrating bit to me was Captain America being pinned down by a single henchman. He even has an automatic rifle and can't win that showdown?
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Supreme Allah posted:I get the idea but there's a big difference between Ultimate Hawkeye, who is Bullseye [has a power where he never, flat out, ever, misses], and regular universe Hawkeye, who is a highly skilled marksmen. It's subtle but in one case, he can and does miss, especially when spraying bullets at a fast moving target from a fast moving platform. To be fair though, we know that Cap's entire history with firearms is whatever training and experience he got in the WW2 era. It's his physical attributes, good heart, and giant brass balls that make him a valid contender. With Hawkeye, shooting is the one and only thing he does. It's like casting Michael Richards as a random cop and having him fight Batman to a draw.
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Heres Hank posted:It's like casting Michael Richards as a random cop and having him fight Batman to a draw. Way to loving spoiler Dark Knight Rises' ending 
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Heres Hank posted:To be fair though, we know that Cap's entire history with firearms is whatever training and experience he got in the WW2 era. It's his physical attributes, good heart, and giant brass balls that make him a valid contender. With Hawkeye, shooting is the one and only thing he does. It's like casting Michael Richards as a random cop and having him fight Batman to a draw. Also that Cap had to stay near the lever and throw it otherwise Tony gets pulped. You can see him sorta frustrated because he could easily knock that guy out but he's stuck near the lever in the open while the henchman's got more cover.
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kinmik posted:The way I learned it in my CPR certification class was to give at least thirty chest compressions, then give mouth-to-mouth, check for pulse, and if unresponsive, repeat. I understand the audience won't want to watch an actor tire themselves humping a body for a whole minute, but at least give us something that suggests that they've not been doing it completely wrong. They did this in an episode of House. The doctors performed cpr for hours, not to resuscitate someone but to keep the circulation going, and it was clear that it was pretty exhausting.
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NaturalLow posted:It was probably because they decided to portray the abortion clinic in the worst way possible. A rundown hole in the wall where the staff (if the receptionist is any indicator) barely give a poo poo about the patients. It is my fondest wish that there be an a short version of Knocked Up where Katherine Heigl realizes that just because the rubber broke on a one night stand she doesn't have to chain herself for the rest of her life to some schlub she was slumming it with because she was drunk and lonely. I probably would have found the movie a lot funnier if it didn't exactly encapsulate my worst nightmare.
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Heres Hank posted:What I absolutely cannot stand though, and I won't spoil tag it because it's the opening scene of the movie, is Cobie Smulders vs. Hawkeye. If you only know one thing about Hawkeye... well, you probably know that he has a bow. But if you only know two things, the second is that he has perfect aim with every weapon. This makes half the opening sequence very, very confusing if you're a fan. If you know NOTHING about the character, he just looks like a bitch and a loser in the opening because up front the first thing you see him do is shoot at Cobie Smulders for ten minutes and miss every time. I can just about ignore it by pretending that Loki's mind control is loving with his poo poo, once he gets free I don't think he actually misses a shot.
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Okay, hoping on The Avengers bandwagon, there was only one scene I had an issue with. And that's when Captain America meets Thor during the first battle with Loki. Black Widow gives some quick exposition, something along the lines of "Thor's a god from ancient mythology." And how does Cap reply? "There's only one God, ma'am, and he doesn't look anything like that." ...What? I know Captain America is all For God And Country, but his response doesn't make any sense. It's not like Widow was trying to convert him to Hinduism or explain the pagan pantheon to him, she was simply stating who the very real person in front of him was. Did Captain America think that Thor was just a guy stumbling in from a LARPing session or something? And what about Loki? Was he just some guy who liked to wear headdresses and wander around threatening people? They're powerful immortal beings, and people worship them. I'm pretty sure that makes them gods. Whether Cap personally prays to them or not is irrelevant. And why does this never come up again? You'd think working in a team with a Norse god would shake Cap's faith a little, or at least cause a confrontation at some point, but nothing. They're the best of friends! And fighting a threat Captain apparently thinks is bullshit! This confused and irritated the hell out of me.
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Krypt-OOO-Nite!! posted:Anyway way way too much talk about a mediocre movie and we all know the real subtext was that Paul Rudd seemed to be married to a unbelievably horrible self centered stinkyhole of a person and the movie's just the run up to the horrific murder/suicide that's going to end up taking place. That part of the movie was so bad that even Katherine Heigl called Apatow out for letting her and Leslie Mann's characters go to night clubs to dance and flirt whenever they wanted but Rudd's character had to make up endless excuses to play fantasy baseball or see loving Spider-Man 3. Todd Phillips of Old School fame has also mentioned that he doesn't like Apatow's stupid "there's 30 minutes left in the movie, every character needs to grow up" thing. Then again imdb just told me there's going to be a Hangover III which is an irritating thing for me to learn.
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hyperhazard posted:Okay, hoping on The Avengers bandwagon, there was only one scene I had an issue with. And that's when Captain America meets Thor during the first battle with Loki. We are talking about a man who grew up pre-WW2. He must be a devout christian.
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Supeerme posted:We are talking about a man who grew up pre-WW2. He must be a devout christian. Really let's even go past that. Never mind that Thor is actually a super powered alien worshipped as a god by ancient people, even if all of the ancient Norse myths about Thor are literally true he's not omniscient, omnipotent, or even eternal. To someone of actual Christian beliefs (especially one that's already aware of the existence of superhuman stuff in the first place) this does not make him a god, it makes him a supernatural being that some have called a god. In short, someone that you can punch in the face if you're confident to do so, and whose existence causes you no particular crisis of faith. Really you don't have to even be terribly religious to set a bar for "god worthy of the respect/worship the word implies" that many mythological deities don't match, especially in a world where there are people with super powers that are still just people and make no claims otherwise.
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NightHunter posted:I can just about ignore it by pretending that Loki's mind control is loving with his poo poo, once he gets free I don't think he actually misses a shot. Alternatively you can interpret the missed shots as the Hawkeye fighting against the mind control. He consciously interferes with his own shots so they miss and kill a fellow shield agent. hyperhazard posted:They're powerful immortal beings, and people worship them. I'm pretty sure that makes them gods. Whether Cap personally prays to them or not is irrelevant. I think Cap is just making the difference between 'God' and 'a god'. One is omnipotent/omniscient/omnieverything and the other is just a really powerful human(oid). You could argue Hulk is a god based on his power and seemingly invincibility/immortality too Away all Goats fucked around with this message at May 18, 2012 around 20:20 |
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