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Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Clubhouse's gonna be full because god drat never picked that up either.

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VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER
I guess if we're a club, I could be the treasurer.

Semper Fudge
Feb 19, 2009

Pitchfork was wrong. (f)lowers of Algerbong is crap.
I call Vice President.

Fantasmo
Dec 19, 2008

by Fistgrrl
I realized it all along you guys are loving dumb.

fake edit: okay fine where do I sign up

Space_Butler
Dec 5, 2003
Fun Shoe
Rags Morales did a quick Q&A thread over on the CBR forums, and while nothing substantial came out, he talked briefly about the white shirt in Action #4, and how it was intentional as per Morrison's script:

Rags Morales posted:

Imagine you're an alien and you're trying to reach out to the masses, but they're not having it. What's that about? Is it the hair? The shoes? They used to love you but all of a sudden they don't. Oh, I've got it! I'll change my shirt to white and have a red, white, and blue scheme. Now the Americans know I'm on THEIR side.

If I had my way, they'd drop the backup story idea and each issue would contain annotations for the previous issue. I think a lot more people would come to appreciate the subtleties of Morrison who right now think he's just a loon with a hard-on for the golden age Supes.

Mike From Nowhere
Jan 31, 2007

I guess there has to be one thing I just can't help, Lois.
I admit that I get mildly cheesed whenever a writer thinks I have the I.Q. of grapefruit, but all the same: coloring mistakes DO happen in comics and I wouldn't have minded some kind of throwaway line about the shirt's change.

Still, white IS a good look on Superman.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

I just attributed it to him buying a mixed pack of shirts and just ironing on the logo on them. Next week it's time for the fuschia shirt.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

SynthOrange posted:

I just attributed it to him buying a mixed pack of shirts and just ironing on the logo on them. Next week it's time for the fuschia shirt.

Next month: Superman has a red shirt and regrets it! "My S doesn't stand out at all!"

Mike From Nowhere
Jan 31, 2007

I guess there has to be one thing I just can't help, Lois.
"Superman, thanks for saving my life and all, but did you have to wear that shirt with those pants? I mean, really?"

Space_Butler
Dec 5, 2003
Fun Shoe
I was really apprehensive about how a time-traveling arc with present-day Superman would work in the context of this current arc, but this might be my favorite issue since #1. So much more "Morrison-y" than the past couple, and very interesting that the ship AI is actually Braniac considering everyone figured that's who the Collector Of Worlds was. Definitely interested to see how this all unfolds, and even moreso to see how this will read the second time around when the whole arc is collected. The art by Andy Kubert was also stellar and I hope he does more Superman work soon. I definitely don't think this issue would have been as strong with Morale's on pencils.

I also dug the backup about the Kents. Definitely what the book needed after the lackluster Steel backup.

Edit: That goat reveal is the first time in well over a year a comic has made me belly laugh. I'm glad that, between that and the phantom zone stuff, Morrison quickly put an end to the issue 2 debate about Krypto-goat.

Space_Butler fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Jan 5, 2012

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Yeah #5 was just loving amazing all around. Digging Brainiac as the cool AI Ship. The goat callback, the white dog watching over, and whoa it's now a time-traveling arc.

No idea who the anti-superman armyr is supposed to be or who was next to Supes but I'm guessing we'll get to that next month.

Lord Krangdar
Oct 24, 2007

These are the secrets of death we teach.
I really liked the implication that everyone on Krypton speaks in flowery Kirby-esque dialogue, even the ship's AI.

Also weren't those the Legion of Superheroes members (Lightning Lad and Saturn Girl) beside Superman at the end?

Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Jan 5, 2012

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


As someone who got into this book in spite of Morrison's name on the cover, I hated this issue. I'm starting to think we're just never going to get back to the adventures of Worker's Rights Superman, and like a lot of Morrison books we're just going to go through an endless series of new ideas without really doing anything with the ones introduced in previous issues. I don't give half a poo poo about anything that happened this issue (except the part where Jonathan Kent gave the feds that mutant calf, that ruuled). If this keeps up I'm just gonna drop the book and call it the Morrison book that took the longest to lose me.

Shapiro
Jun 27, 2005

a jealous female can be tricked into anything
I liked the translation of the Kryptonian dialog from a couple issues back.

So, Kal-El means Star Child, huh?

Ha-la-la! Ha-la Kal-El don Jor-El va Lara-Lor-Van-Vax-El!

Many Greetings! Greetings, Star-Child, son of Great Star and Light of Waxing Moon, Star-Wed.


So we get Ha-la means greetings (adding -la again means many (or maybe just plural)), Kal = child, El = star, don = son, va = and, Lara-Lor-Van = Light of Waxing Moon, and Vax = wed.

I always wanted to speak Kryptonian.

Space_Butler
Dec 5, 2003
Fun Shoe

Lurdiak posted:

I'm starting to think we're just never going to get back to the adventures of Worker's Rights Superman
Probably not, as this arc is going to end with him in the current super-suit. The book is focusing on the end-days of his "outside the law" streak (given what was mentioned in the present-day Supes title). That's not to say, going forward, fully costumed Superman won't have that same rebellious spirit in him, but anyone who thought that this was going to be a long-form Adventures Of Socialist Superman book was getting their hopes up a bit too high.

Mike From Nowhere
Jan 31, 2007

I guess there has to be one thing I just can't help, Lois.
I like to think that raised-on-a-farm Clark Kent recognized a dead calf when he saw one and that's why he burst out laughing.

I thought last issue was a bit off, but this was a return to form for me. I'm not sure I like the idea that time travel tomfoolery with the Legion of Super-Heroes is what created Kryptonite, but we'll see where this goes. I have a feeling that the ship A.I. is going to be incorporated into the Collector of Worlds somehow, and this'll be where the villain gets his name. We'll see, won't we?

Still not a fan of that costume, though. With it, it's tough to fully grasp that this IS "Superman," as opposed to "Superman from an alternate reality," since the number one visual shortcut to denote someone from an alternate reality is a different costume. It's a really interesting alternate reality when it comes to the story of Superman, but all the same - we know he's going to be back in the classic look in a few years, because there's only so much tweaking you can do to the world's most iconic costume (most major changes to the look were over and done with within ten years.) Why mar what's sure to be a classic run with what'll be a dated costume?

Loved the backup, and I am as hardened an agnostic as an agnostic gets. Another word for God in this context is 'hope,' and there's no better word to describe what Superman means to people.

Splint Chesthair
Dec 27, 2004


Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Yeah #5 was just loving amazing all around. Digging Brainiac as the cool AI Ship. The goat callback, the white dog watching over, and whoa it's now a time-traveling arc.

No idea who the anti-superman armyr is supposed to be or who was next to Supes but I'm guessing we'll get to that next month.

One of them was called "K-Man Green" and there were two others with red and blue glowing eyes, so I'm guessing there will now be Kryptonite Men instead of just one Kryptonite Man. The bandaged one had the same metal hand as one of the Phantom Zone criminals, so he's probably either General Zod or Jax-Ur. Maybe the purple amoeba thing is a new version of the Parasite?

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Magic Love Hose posted:

I like to think that raised-on-a-farm Clark Kent recognized a dead calf when he saw one and that's why he burst out laughing.

His parents probably told him the story while explaining to him who/what he was and how they found him. He probably went "holy poo poo they still have this? :laffo: "

Yawgmoft
Nov 15, 2004
I wonder if the Phantom Leap is how they're gonna bring back Krypto...

Kent background was great. I hope we get more of that. I always love reading the pre-Metropolis stuff.

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


Krypto looked like a bad rear end. Spending 20+ years in the phantom zone will turn him into a beast.

Krypto good boy.

Denim Avenger
Oct 20, 2010

Excelente
How is Supergirl doing? I got a bored with it at issue two, has it shown any signs of improving/declining?

Kull the Conqueror
Apr 8, 2006

Take me to the green valley,
lay the sod o'er me,
I'm a young cowboy,
I know I've done wrong
I think it's been pretty good; after the Superman stuff she tussled with this trillionaire villain, and now in issue 5 she's found the long-dead domed Argo City. The mystery is contrived but not too complicated, and I'm looking forward to seeing where it goes.

On the art side of things, hell loving yeah. Is there something special to the coloring technique that's being implemented in it (I'm not intimately familiar with illustration)? It's one of few comics where I can ever recall thinking about how I specifically loved the color, and it integrates magnificently with what Asrar's doing.

Space_Butler
Dec 5, 2003
Fun Shoe
Action #6 reminded me of when I first started reading Morrison comics; I had absolutely no idea what was happening, but I loved every moment of it. I especially loved how organically all of the flashbacks were incorporated, and I'm glad Morrison is acknowledging that much of his upbringing remains exactly the same despite the changes (meeting the legion at a young age, having Pete and Lana as best friends, pulling some silver age superboy-esque stunts across town, etc). Phenomenal.

Also, maybe it's just me, but it seems like the Kent house now uses the exact floorplan from the one on Smallville.

Kull the Conqueror
Apr 8, 2006

Take me to the green valley,
lay the sod o'er me,
I'm a young cowboy,
I know I've done wrong

Space_Butler posted:

Action #6 reminded me of when I first started reading Morrison comics; I had absolutely no idea what was happening, but I loved every moment of it. I especially loved how organically all of the flashbacks were incorporated, and I'm glad Morrison is acknowledging that much of his upbringing remains exactly the same despite the changes (meeting the legion at a young age, having Pete and Lana as best friends, pulling some silver age superboy-esque stunts across town, etc). Phenomenal.

This is essentially my sentiment as well, though my experience with Morrison is fairly limited outside of Doom Patrol and All Star Superman so I wasn't sure if my confusion was because of my unfamiliarity or if this was just par for the course. These issues have been weird but they've got that wonderful romanticism that I need in a Superman story.

And the backup was once again magnificent and understated.

Mike From Nowhere
Jan 31, 2007

I guess there has to be one thing I just can't help, Lois.
I described the plot of this comic to a friend and his reaction was "oh, we're getting THAT Grant Morrison back? I missed him, he was cool."

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


The first four issues had a very Ultimate Spider-Man sort of tone. Hopefully this swerve won't throw off many of the more casual readers. Issue six was the kind of book that earns me creepy avatars.

horsepeen
Sep 21, 2010

Christian Financial Adviser

Space_Butler posted:

Action #6 reminded me of when I first started reading Morrison comics; I had absolutely no idea what was happening, but I loved every moment of it. I especially loved how organically all of the flashbacks were incorporated, and I'm glad Morrison is acknowledging that much of his upbringing remains exactly the same despite the changes (meeting the legion at a young age, having Pete and Lana as best friends, pulling some silver age superboy-esque stunts across town, etc). Phenomenal.




I like how we started off in the first few issues with a golden age Superman, and have now progressed to a silver age version; it reminds a little of what what Morrison did with Flex Mentallo (each issue being a different era). We'll probably end the arc with a modern age Superman. I wonder if between now and then he'll have a mullet.

Nerd Of Prey
Aug 10, 2002


I finally got around to finishing up the whole series of Smallville, and overall I really dug it. There were always a couple of just absolutely lovely episodes per season, and a few bizarre plot elements that didn't quite work, but there was always enough cool stuff to keep me hooked. Taken as a whole, it was a pretty neat interpretation of the Superman story.

I think my favorite part was how dead-on they got Clark Kent in terms of his personality, his motivations, his strengths and weaknesses as a person. Superman can definitely be a challenging character to write, but they consistently nailed it. Tom Welling did a respectable job in the role, too. Probably the best small-screen Clark Kent.

I wasn't totally sold on their version of Lois Lane at first, but she really grew on me. I usually rolled my eyes at the various contrivances that put Clark's lady friends in peril, but it made more sense for Lois to be in trouble all the time because she was absolutely fearless to the point of being a little bit crazy. Lois has to be a little bit crazy for the story to work, and Superman stories don't always get that. The most powerful man in the world isn't going to fall for a boring, no-nonsense girl. She's got to keep him guessing.

I think they kinda dropped the ball with Lex Luthor, though. The actor was good, but the writing usually wasn't... and when he left the show it kinda got more interesting. The idea that they used to be best friends probably worked better on paper, too. His dad was a way better character.

I'm glad that Green Arrow ended up with such a major role. He was a really inspired choice for Superman's best superhero buddy. He's enough like Batman that you don't miss Batman, and a lot more likely to be friends with Clark. He was pretty much always awesome on the show.

The simultaneously best and worst thing about Smallville was that by the end they had set up conditions for a truly great Superman show... but at the same time it was clearly over as soon as he put on the suit. He had already faced all the best villains, conquered all his own doubts, and won Lois Lane's heart. What's left?

Still, if at some point Tom Welling gets bored and decides to play Superman again, I won't complain.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie
I actually have to disagree with how they wrote Clark. Every season would start or end with him FINALLY deciding to become a superhero and then something dumb happens to make him change his mind.

It's a very lovely show with a couple of good actors working on it.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Nerd Of Prey posted:

I think they kinda dropped the ball with Lex Luthor, though. The actor was good, but the writing usually wasn't... and when he left the show it kinda got more interesting. The idea that they used to be best friends probably worked better on paper, too. His dad was a way better character.

Them being friends was actually an idea from the comics. Superman is responcible for Lex loosing his hair.

Yannick_B
Oct 11, 2007

Joe Don Baker posted:

I actually have to disagree with how they wrote Clark. Every season would start or end with him FINALLY deciding to become a superhero and then something dumb happens to make him change his mind.

It's a very lovely show with a couple of good actors working on it.

I love Smallville and I wouldnt say its lovely because a) it lasted 10 years, so it did something right b) lovely falls short of describing it.
Smallville is a pretty singular tv show. Never seen a show that could be so brilliant and so bad--sometimes in the same episode. Its nuts.

The writing on Clark is one of the show's biggest question marks. Tom Welling isnt the best actor in the world, but when he's given actual material (romcom stuff with Erica Durance, playing evil versions of himself, etc) he gets into it and comes alive.
For some reason, for more than HALF of the show's run, regular Clark is written as a bland, non-dynamic guy. If they had written him anything like the guy we're seeing in Action Comics right now, the show would've been much more different.

Nerd Of Prey
Aug 10, 2002


Yannick_B posted:

Smallville is a pretty singular tv show. Never seen a show that could be so brilliant and so bad--sometimes in the same episode. Its nuts.

That's a good way of putting it. It's kind of impossible to pin down the overall quality when it was so all over the map. I had no problem sticking with it because I'm a big Superman nerd, but I'd be hesitant to recommend it to somebody that isn't. It seems like kind of a love it or hate it show.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Yannick_B posted:

I love Smallville and I wouldnt say its lovely because a) it lasted 10 years, so it did something right

That's not even close to a measure of quality and you know it.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?
Smallville also had the most amazing product placement ever. Stride Gum.

Yannick_B
Oct 11, 2007

Lurdiak posted:

That's not even close to a measure of quality and you know it.

Look, in my opinion, something that is lovely is ill-thought of, shoddily made and barely gets out of the assembly line.
There is something to be said about a show that runs and runs for ten years. Not saying its the best show ever, not saying its lovely either.

Dantes Redux
Sep 23, 2003

by angerbeet

Yannick_B posted:

Look, in my opinion, something that is lovely is ill-thought of, shoddily made and barely gets out of the assembly line.
There is something to be said about a show that runs and runs for ten years. Not saying its the best show ever, not saying its lovely either.

Two and a half men.

^burtle
Jul 17, 2001

God of Boomin'



Two and a Half Men was awesome until Sheen went nuts.

Entertainer13
Apr 25, 2009

^burtle posted:

Two and a Half Men was awesome until Sheen went nuts.

It was basic sitcom fare with the only difference being that it glorified a toned down Charlie Sheen lifestyle. Since I find Sheen's way of life not too darn interesting, the show bored me. But in all seriousness, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I thankfully had the ability to not watch it. ;)

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

bobkatt013 posted:

Smallville also had the most amazing product placement ever. Stride Gum.

Plus all the music used in a given episode was just an advertisement for something new from a WB owned label.

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Yannick_B
Oct 11, 2007

Dantes Redux posted:

Two and a half men.

I think that show is televised disease, but its a pretty flawless delivery machine for all those terrible jokes, through even terribler characters.

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