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One of the most prolific and recognized super heroes on the planet is still no match for the might powers of Dan Didio and his DC Comics "Re-Launch". The two most popular Batgirls, Stephanie and Cassandra are both still  quote:Batman quote:Batman, Inc. quote:Batman: The Dark Night quote:Detective Comics quote:Batman and Robin quote:Legends of the Dark Knight quote:Batman: Arkham Unhinged quote:Batman: Lil' Gotham  quote:Batgirl quote:Batwing quote:Batwoman quote:Catwoman quote:Nightwing #1 
Flameingblack fucked around with this message at Mar 1, 2013 around 16:21 |
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I thought the new Detective Comics was great, can't wait to read some more of that. Batwing was good too.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 11:19 |
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Flameingblack posted:All of the extended Bat family returns Oh no it doesn't. tomm posted:I thought the new Detective Comics was great This might not be the thread for you.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 11:24 |
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LCQC posted:Oh no it doesn't. What was so bad about it? I didn't find it particularly compelling, but it was okay.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 12:21 |
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A friend who for some insane reasons asks me comic recommendations asked me about Detective Comics. I replied only with this image: That pretty much tells you all you need to know about the new Detective Comics.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 12:24 |
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LCQC posted:Oh no it doesn't. Perhaps you're right, I'm not a huge comic book fan but I dabble occasionally. I just found it fun to read, I can't really judge something till about 5 issues in but I'm open minded.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 12:35 |
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Detective Comics was a horrible way to relaunch a title. Is there anyone that isn't new to comics that thinks Tony Daniels is any good?
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 12:58 |
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To be fair, that image makes me interested right up until I read the word bubbles. Also making Dick Nightwing again is a rude rear end move. EDIT: Where's Grant Morrison?
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 13:04 |
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FamDav posted:EDIT: Where's Grant Morrison? The Superman thread. Joe Don Baker posted:A friend who for some insane reasons asks me comic recommendations asked me about Detective Comics. I replied only with this image: Ok, I am curious, why the hell did this happen?
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 13:14 |
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Gonna take a wild guess and say it happened because no one at DC has any loving idea how to make the Joker interesting so they keep trying to make him more and more gruesome and violent and disturbing in hopes that that's the way to make people care again. Which is extra sad when you consider that we're talking about a character that's considered one of the greatest and most compelling villains in any medium.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 13:28 |
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BigRed0427 posted:Ok, I am curious, why the hell did this happen? Some men just want to cut off their own face, nail it to a wall, then stand around making chit-chat.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 13:30 |
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Or, if you read the god damned comic, you realize that this falls under the "Joker changes every time the wind changes" and "it's been windy in Gotham city." Since the Joker is can be seen as aware of the fourth wall in his insanity, I think he may just be reinventing himself for New 52.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 13:40 |
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Don't worry, Detective Comics liker, this is totally the thread for you despite the best efforts of BSS to be jerks about it. Why don't you tell us what you enjoyed about it and what you're hoping to see more of?
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 14:00 |
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Was Taters posted:Don't worry, Detective Comics liker, this is totally the thread for you despite the best efforts of BSS to be jerks about it. Why don't you tell us what you enjoyed about it and what you're hoping to see more of? So did you finally buy it?
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 14:06 |
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Joe Don Baker posted:So did you finally buy it? No?
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 14:19 |
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Wait... the Joker cut off his own face? What is he, the loving Metabaron?
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 15:03 |
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I thought Detective Comics was average with an emphasis on trying very hard to be shocking and horrorific. It feels like an old Spawn comic but it tells somewhat of a complete story and has a lot of meat-and-potatoes Batmanning. Its not that great, but not worth getting angry about it either.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 15:05 |
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HitTheTargets posted:Wait... the Joker cut off his own face? What is he, the loving Metabaron?
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 15:09 |
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Yannick_B posted:I thought Detective Comics was average with an emphasis on trying very hard to be shocking and horrorific. It feels like an old Spawn comic but it tells somewhat of a complete story and has a lot of meat-and-potatoes Batmanning. Its not that great, but not worth getting angry about it either. Absolutely. I think Tony Daniel knows he's not that good a writer, so he wrote a Batman and Joker story with all the beats one would expect, but then he added shock value on top of that to at least make it intriguing.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 15:13 |
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I think mediocrity in comics definitely annoys me more than sheer badness. It comes across as lazy and worthless.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 15:34 |
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Yannick_B posted:I thought Detective Comics was average with an emphasis on trying very hard to be shocking and horrorific. It feels like an old Spawn comic but it tells somewhat of a complete story and has a lot of meat-and-potatoes Batmanning. Its not that great, but not worth getting angry about it either. I get where you're coming from, especially in light of the recent Justice League #1 where basically nothing happened. I even thought to myself "That wasn't that bad" immediately after finishing. Then I started reflecting. To me, what you call "a lot of meat-and-potatoes Batmanning" is Tony Daniel hitting every square on the "Batman Cliche" bingo card. Saying things like, "I own the night." and standing up women only to have Alfred send them a trinket are just really surface level events that we've seen over and over already. Then again... On the flip side, this is definitely a book I can see drawing in new readers for reasons you outline. Tony Daniel has improved, but someone compared this to fan-fiction and it really does straddle the line closely. I wouldn't recommend it to long-term readers, but for someone new wanting to read Batman...well, I never thought I'd say this about Tony Daniel but: they could do worse.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 15:36 |
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Jesus Christ people, please poo poo on some more people's comics preferences. That's a good way to start a thread. I just wish DC didn't have so much of the Bruce internal monologue. That was the part that stuck out to me as the most clumsy / lazy / bad. The actual plot wasn't bad, just not super exciting.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 15:38 |
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Detective Comics is supposed to show the "brains" side of Batman. It's supposed to show him being, you know, a detective.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 15:38 |
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Shockingly, this is possible without tons of internal monologue...
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 15:40 |
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Yannick_B posted:I thought Detective Comics was average with an emphasis on trying very hard to be shocking and horrorific. It feels like an old Spawn comic but it tells somewhat of a complete story and has a lot of meat-and-potatoes Batmanning. Its not that great, but not worth getting angry about it either. 100% correct. In addition, it's certainly something that would likely shock a person who's picking up a Batman comic for the first time and is only familiar with movie/TV versions of the character. I left a stack of the various "New 52" books I bought in my office and a few people with no serious prior exposure to comics have read them. Of the books in the pile, Detective is the one that got them all talking. One guy thought it was awful (not poorly written, just grisly and unpleasant), one guy thought it was "crazy and awesome", one guy thought it was "not what he expected", but good. Justice League hasn't created a peep from anyone, though one guy asked if there were "missing issues" that explain why the Justice League already exists in JLI. One guy asked why Superman was wearing jeans on the cover of Action and was confused about the obvious differences between the Superman in Action and the Superman in JL. Overall, from a purely "generating interest in new readers" perspective, Detective has been the big winner in my incredibly small test group.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 15:48 |
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I'm not sure how telling people to avoid Batgirl and Detective Comics was making GBS threads all over people. The general consensus I saw was to avoid them, and a lot of people were talking about Detective being one of the worst Batman stories. What I disliked about it was that it just felt like another 90's Spawn comic. They were cool, back in the 90's. But I want to read something that isn't 90's spawn or Frank Miller's All-Star Batgirl. Batwing blew me away. I expected it to be really boring, but boy I was loving wrong. That was one of my top 3 fav. comics this week, with Animal Man and Swamp thing. Sure, it had decapitations in it too, which makes me look a bit biased for calling out Grimdark on Detective. But in context, it was totally fine and it wasn't a giant splash page, either. But the important thing was that it added to the atmosphere of the story. "This is a hosed up city" I can apologize to the couple readers that liked Batgirl and Detective Comics, but there are people who liked Cry for Justice too. Not to step on toes, but it seems like those people are a very big minority. Straight Outta CompUSA posted:Is Scott Snyder's Batman supposed to be a continuation of his Detective run, will I need to read that first if I want to check it out? Flameingblack fucked around with this message at Sep 9, 2011 around 16:28 |
| # ? Sep 9, 2011 16:22 |
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Isn't Detective Comics arbitrarily set five years in the past? How can Joker's face be ripped off that's gotta completely invalidate a bunch of stuff that was still supposed to be in continuity in the reboot. This comic just sounds impossibly awful. Is Scott Snyder's Batman supposed to be a continuation of his Detective run, will I need to read that first if I want to check it out?
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 16:24 |
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Straight Outta CompUSA posted:Is Scott Snyder's Batman supposed to be a continuation of his Detective run, will I need to read that first if I want to check it out? The Joker is also going to appear early in Snyder's Batman run--kind of curious to see how these titles mesh together (if at all). redbackground fucked around with this message at Sep 9, 2011 around 16:39 |
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redbackground posted:The Joker is also going to appear early in Snyder's Batman run--kind of curious to see how these titles mesh together (if at all). e: Remember my first impression of the Detective Comics cover. "This looks Spawn as hell, right down to the way the signature is on his cape" I was right, it was Spawn as hell, in just about every way. Flameingblack fucked around with this message at Sep 9, 2011 around 16:36 |
| # ? Sep 9, 2011 16:29 |
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re: joker's face on the wall I just assumed it was some kind of wonky teaser splash image for effect, and what the guy actually did to him won't be shown until next month. Detective Comics is supposed to be the realistic one, and having the skin cut off your face would kill you.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 17:02 |
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Flameingblack posted:Catwoman
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 17:13 |
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Paint-Drinking Pete posted:Is this supposed to look like Catwoman dripping cum from a used condom onto her tits? I get that it it is really a bag of diamonds, but come on, why would she dump diamonds onto her boobs just to let them fall off of the giant building she's sprawled out on? Gettit? She's giving herself a pearl necklace. I would  but I think that's what they were actually going for
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 17:16 |
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Ok, reread Batgirl, and well, it feels like when the new universe was born, Barbara and Stephanie were hugging and as such merged into one new Batgirl. It's also not that bad, what we get is Barbara being afraid of becoming Batgirl again, but I feel the series should have started maybe 6 months ago, when she got her miracle, and when she approached Bruce to become Batgirl again, and not now, when the psychological implications are too rough. And we know that Batman would not let an impaired Batgirl back in the uniform... But you gotta give it time, I guess.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 17:26 |
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Okay this has probably been asked a hundred times but is the Black Mirror collecting all of Scott Snyders 'Tec run beside the Gordon backups? I kept telling myself I would pick it up but forgot about it.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 17:39 |
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Dr. Hurt posted:Okay this has probably been asked a hundred times but is the Black Mirror collecting all of Scott Snyders 'Tec run beside the Gordon backups? I kept telling myself I would pick it up but forgot about it.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 18:01 |
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Sleepless Dreamer posted:Ok, reread Batgirl, and well, it feels like when the new universe was born, Barbara and Stephanie were hugging and as such merged into one new Batgirl. I said in other threads that I quite liked this opening issue. Most people have been posting that it is the worst thing ever without really elaborating why (which comes across as just a hatred for Simone and nothing else). I didn't really get into the last Batgirl series until right at the end. I have been very slowly picking up trades of it now though and it is enjoyable. However, maybe due to this, I haven't developed an attachment to Steph (and don't get me wrong she is awesome) like some people have. Right now she isn't Batgirl though. Someone else is. Is it the right choice to return Babs to being Batgirl after making her such a positive disabled role model? Maybe, and maybe not. However I have found the way Simone has dealt with it to be quite respectful and on the whole I found the comic to be enjoyable. It's hard to judge by one comic though if the whole thing was a worthwhile endeavor. Maybe the cliff hanger in the arc be the return of Steph (or Cass). Maybe her new co-stars will be fun. Maybe....well there are a wole bunch of possibilities.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 18:04 |
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Madkal posted:I said in other threads that I quite liked this opening issue. Most people have been posting that it is the worst thing ever without really elaborating why (which comes across as just a hatred for Simone and nothing else). I'm re-posting my thoughts and problems with Batgirl here. It feels like Gail Simone is trying to copy Bryan Q. Miller's style with Steph's thoughts running through the entire issue. The problem though is that Steph's were more of a commentary on whats happening around here, Barbra's is basically a first person narration and it slows the story to a crawl. And her thoughts are on ALMOST EVERY PANEL she's on! We also get a few moments that are just to much information. "Except, i can't stop shaking it, and I have to go to the bathroom really bad." Someone needs to remind Gail "Show, Don't Tell" From the first issue, the story is going to be Barbra getting back into being Batgirl after The Killing Joke but still suffering PTSD over what happened to her. Its not really a story that I wanna read about, mainly I can see us getting a lot of those "Woe is Me, Can I still do this?" emo moments. Plus, Haven't we covered this ground with her before the reboot? Also, i don't hate Gail Simone. I love her Wonder Woman run.
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 18:16 |
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BigRed0427 posted:I'm re-posting my thoughts and problems with Batgirl here. Thanks for the explanation. I agree that it was quite bothersome to see the narration describing a lot of things but I chalked it up being there for new readers who might not know much about the character as established readers. That is pretty much the way I have been treating all of the new DCnU books (on a side note this was brilliantly handled by Animal Man with its first page "interview").
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| # ? Sep 9, 2011 18:28 |
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I felt Batgirl was ok. It had a very rocky start, but I found myself enjoying it somewhere around the midpoint. Still, I don't think I will be staying around long for the title. I feel like Barbra should be much more light-hearted given the situation. She's a character who managed to become one of the biggest movers in the DCU after surviving a traumatic and debilitating experience, all out of a love of adventure. Getting her legs back and being Batgirl should further empower her, not cause her the crippling fear she experiences in the comic. We've already seen her rise above that tragedy and become stronger for it. Unless her entire characterization before the reboot has been retconed, but that wouldn't help me feel any better about it. And if that isn't enough, the stupidity of her first real, new villain drowning a guy with a garden hose sends it well over the edge.
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Paint-Drinking Pete posted:Is this supposed to look like Catwoman dripping cum from a used condom onto her tits? I get that it it is really a bag of diamonds, but come on, why would she dump diamonds onto her boobs just to let them fall off of the giant building she's sprawled out on? Basically whenever I look at the preview covers for Catwoman #1 & 2 all I see is this: 
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