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Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Rookersh posted:

I'm honestly super excited to get to 60, go through all the old dungeons, and have my raid content topped off at 60 Naxx, never having to worry about TBC, Wrath, or Cata.

This is exactly what's got me hooked here as well. I cannot fuckin' wait to chain run people through UBRS for their Ony quest, watch Molten Rumblers send fools flying into the lava, and get the high of killing Nef/C'Thun/etc for the first time.

I'm in-game as Vivienne, UD holy priest (yes I'm leveling as holy because I hate my life). I've convinced my boyfriend to play a Tauren prot warrior, Siegebreaker, and I think we've got a friend joining as a druid soon as well.

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Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Okay, I've mostly got my addons working as I want, but I can NOT seem to find a mouseover healing macro that will let me, y'know, mouseover heal. Since /cast [target=mouseover] wasn't added until BC. Anyone know what the /script command would be for this? Or can I use some weird mod like Cliq or something accomplish the same thing?

Basically I just want to be able shield/renew folks without having to click their unit frame.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


If we've got folks still needing Greater Magic Wands (17.5dps! Priests, you are welcome), please let Vivienne know. Your donation of unwanted green items for me to DE is also much appreciated.

Also, Siegebreaker and I will be looking for a WC/SFK run tonight if anyone's game. He can tank or DPS but sadly I can only heal unless you like listening to my whiffy wand noises

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Sarcasmatron posted:

Anyone else playing on a Mac? I got everything installed OK. I logged on and created a character and I got this:



I had to Bootcamp it. My previous experience running my own emulated server for videomaking has taught me that anything more would be an exercise in frustration.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Super Space Jam 64 posted:

Coming from the healer perspective, this is pretty hard to get used to as well; in any scenerio with more than 2 mobs, I have to wait as long as possible before doing anything or else I'll pull everything the warrior hasn't gotten to yet. I don't hold it against you folks though, this definitely takes some getting used to on my part as well.

Yeah, this has been the biggest adjustment so far for me. Fade seems borderline useless. I fade and the mob just keeps beating on me, so then I have to burn mana healing myself up, when it's already going to be a chaotic pull because aggro is split 5 ways . . . exciting!

Really though I would just kill for a decent level 25 water option; it goes from 15 to 35 and 834 mana to a level 29 priest is just sad ;(

~Vivienne

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Bybus Slago posted:

There is level 25 water, its Sweet Nectar (the white bottle). I noticed on most drink selling NPCs they're out of order.

Thanks so much. I was just going by ordering, and it jumped from 15 to 35.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


the Gaffe posted:

Also, if anyone has any ideas for some form of contest to get even more goons to join, let us know. I don't want to do any kind of "X newest member gets X gold" since people can just make new accounts to try and get the prize.

I have a bunch of gold so it can have $$$$$ prizes.

e: Like I'll even be willing to fully pay for a level 40 mount as a prize.

Poll the guild, see if we have any artistic goons who can draw character portraits for randomly selected members? Complete with epic Vanilla gearsets (or embarrassingly mismatched leveling gear!).

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Send Vivienne cloths for baglike stuff. If I had gold, I would chip it in, but I don't !

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


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Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Lant posted:

Today's patch notes
http://www.therebirth.net/forum/vie...php?f=24&t=1023


LoS might be working now, so Drek wont be a pain to kill anymore.

That's pretty significant if so. The LoS and pathing issues, especially in instances, were the primary thing taking away the authentic vanilla feel. And would screw us over once we got deeper into raiding. (Who wants to watch the Twin Emps falling through the air on top of their tanks after a teleport?!)

Now to kite Drak for even more successful UBRSes!

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


PvP honor system has been implemented. Time for week-long AV matches.

Also: if you're a leatherworker capable of producing Cured Rugged Hide, Vivienne will gladly make trades with you to lock down all your cooldowns for the next several weeks. Finally got a Hide of the Wild pattern, and I'm looking to get those cranked out for all our healers. I've got a nice chunk of Larval Acids stashed away, and going to farm up the essences this week. Hopefully enough for at least 5 or 6 cloaks--I think our healer spread right now is me (Vivienne), Chanky, Bees, Cattleprod, and Frederic, with a few more making their way up the ranks.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Thanks so much to Trimm, Mushroom, and Barry for pitching in to get our LWers cranking out cured rugged hide for the Hide of the Wilds. If you have extra deeprock salt lying around, I know some of our newly salt-shakered LWers could use it badly. I have enough mats to get two cloaks made right now, but we've got 5 healers at 60 and we need every one of them geared to make salamanders fall over in MC this weekend. :

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


the Gaffe posted:

For the event, I was wondering if anyone had any decent experience with video editing/capturing? It'd be cool if we could make this into a proper server video.

I'll be happy to work on this.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


the Gaffe posted:

By the way, as a random question, since we' grouped up with <Hate> to do Azuragos, would we want to invite them to MC? Or just keep it in-guild as planned?

I'd like to fill it with as many guildies as possible, but if it looks like we absolutely need their numbers to kill bosses in MC, then I suppose it's better than not killing bosses. If we have 30ish GUILD though we should be fine.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


GUILD Azuregos kill (sans BUGABUSE), complete with terrible, terrible technodonna:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf5h86yB5sI

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Oh lame, it doesn't show up as blocked for me, it just includes a "buy this song here" link. I'll upload a soundless version later (Serves me right for using terrible music)

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Faction leader "PvP" (if you count Cattle's dwarf Kicking me as PvP):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnImgGcaTvI

And Azuregos, sans WMG lameness:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t510SBGgNXQ

Bohemienne fucked around with this message at Oct 20, 2011 around 18:57

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Fog Tripper posted:

Hmmm. Discs are in storage but I figured I'd try the download. Is there a mac version of the client available for DL?

Yes, just be prepared to get a Bug Report to pop up every 3 minutes or so.

Instructions here: http://www.therebirth.net/forum/vie....php?f=19&t=519

If you have a live WoW game installed as well, you'll need to change the name of its folder and temporarily move its Library files until this gets installed. Google "uninstall wow os x" and it should pull up a handy Battle.net forum thread that lists all the files you'll need to "delete" (temporarily move).

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


SolidRed posted:

I thought MC wasn't scripted yet anyway? Or is the argument to try and get in MC as fast as possibe and kill Bosses while they are still just tank and spank for loot?

MC is in and scripted, and the GMs are tweaking it with almost all of the daily updates. We helped them fix a bunch of minor MC bugs when we farmed trash last week

I know that Targeting Dummy "works" in the sense that it comes to life and kills everything for you.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Vivienne will likely be late for Azuregos tonight but I'll get there as soon as I can. Sorry

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


What time is all the raidy goodness going down this weekend again? Was swamped at my first week on a new contract, but can't wait to molten some cores this weekend.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


the Gaffe posted:

Siegebreaker said you guys were having guests over and couldn't make it

He lied, they're going to go to some sports bar instead, so we'll be there for MC. I'll be on early in case we're doing Azuregos or something beforehand, I thought there was some mention of that.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


the Gaffe posted:

Ah, yes, that is more than adequate. We also need a forum, and some kind of calender system to figure who can raid at what times. I'm curious to see if there's a better date than Saturday afternoons to raid, if there's enough presence at a weekday to make it the second raid date.

e: Also, it shames me to ask what is your in-game character's name? I only know a few handful of people's goon accounts.

Additionally, if anyone can track down a working version of 1.12 WoW Roster, we can use it to put the goonbank inventory somewhere where ALL CAN SEE AND REQUEST instead of most stuff just languishing and taking up bag space.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


LethalGeek posted:

Just wanted to throw out to your officers I slapped a program together than turns .lua dumps of bank alts into this. It's a amaturish mess of code but if you all want a copy of it I can fire it over once I make sure it's going to work off my system.

Oh my lord god bless you so much.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Server is up and seemingly stable. I'll be happy to help out a BRD run and leave it open for core attunements if anyone wants.

And 2x is active.

Bohemienne fucked around with this message at Nov 5, 2011 around 14:04

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Tanreall, Siege and I (Vivienne) are gonna take an hour break before MC since the server's been up and down and every which way while we've been trying to farm. I'd be surprised if we even get it stable by this evening, really, but I'm happy to try after 3pm ST.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Tanreall posted:

MC Sunday 2pm CST. Bring your fire resist gear.

Probably a wise call.

I'll be an hour late Sunday, but Siege should be on time.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Tanreall posted:

Mid week MC - Wed 8PM CST. Bring your fire resist gear.

Super excited about this, though I'll only be able to stay 2 hours max.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


For Fenux and whoever else wanted to know what addons I was using:

!OmniCC
ag_UnitFrames
BigWigs etc
Bongos etc
Buffalo
CEnemyCastbar
Clearfont
DamageMeters
eCastingBar
EquipCompare
Grid
Prat
SCT etc
XLoot

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


I played under Suicide Kings throughout Vanilla and while it was okay, it sucked to have a marginal upgrade for a minor gearslot send you just as far back as a really great upgrade for, say, your weapon. I also disliked the feeling that I wasn't getting any consideration for however many raids I had showed up over other people, and therefore hesitated to pick up items that would have been cheap under a DKP system to hold out for the big drops.

I don't have a problem with class leaders leading the loot discussion for their people and selecting/encouraging specific individual/individuals to take an upgrade, but then loot isn't my compelling reason to raid this stuff because, come on, if we just wanted the loot we could go solo MC on our level 85 DKs or whatever. Also, I trust myself to look at my classmates' gear and effort and excuse myself against competing against those who need an upgrade more and/or have demonstrated their dedication to the raid team. Maybe others don't feel that way, however.

The rand 100 system is fine for now, but I will say straight up that I feel more compelled to roll on gear that isn't a significant upgrade for me in this system than I would in any other system, just because there is no real penalty.

DKP is a huge loving headache for all people involved, but if people are going to cry about fairness and not trust their class leaders to host a healthy discussion then I guess it's fine.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Death Bot posted:

Most DKP systems would give people consolation points for not being able to get into the raid.

While DKP is not my favorite option, I have been in a DKP guild where you still got points for staying logged in for the duration of the raid and there was some mod where every time a boss died you whispered the raid lead and they had some mod that verified that you were online and available or whatever. Also, bonus points if you spent the raid time farming mats for other folks.

That being said I vastly prefer class lead with healthy discussion within classes. And in the case of multi-class loot, each class puts forward their candidate to roll or else each class puts forward their candidate and the officers/raid leaders as a whole select.

The only time I have ever seen /roll work as a long-term solution was in a strict 10-man Cata guild and we had all played together for so long that pretty much no one ever rolled against anyone else anyway.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Also, I'm going to brush the Cheeto dust from my horrible untrimmed sausage fingers and push my glasses up my nose and type out a wall of text as how I see an effective class lead loot system working:

The number one priority is gearing the raid in a manner that will allow the raid team to progress as quickly and effectively as possible. This means gearing healers and tanks, and strategically gearing DPS in a way that maximizes DPS, but this also means balancing this against people who put in effort to support the raid team in other ways, whether it's farming mats, providing consumables for themselves and/or others, or otherwise just demonstrating that they give a poo poo about progression. There is also an undercurrent of encouraging new raiders to come along, especially on farm runs but even on progression content, which means not ALWAYS defaulting to the ideal loot recipient in each and every circumstance.

So the loot-picker-person should consider:

-Who would benefit the most from the loot relative to their current gear

-Who, upon equipping said loot, would provide the most benefit to the overall raid team, whether through improved DPS, better mitigation stats, or better healing throughput

-Who does not fit the above criteria but has not received loot in a while or has otherwise demonstrated their dedication to the raid and should in some way be rewarded for doing so

-Who does not fit the above criteria but has not received loot in a while

-Who does not fit the above criteria, maybe is a newcomer to the raid/this tier of content, and deserves a token of appreciation to encourage return attendance

-Any other intangibles


To help inform the loot-picker-person's decision, their class members should provide them with:

-How interested they are in acquiring said piece

-How much said piece fits into their overall gearing philosophy

-How long they intend to keep said piece/what point in progression they feel said piece would be outdated




So these are basically the discussions that would take place in guild forums or whatnot, and when a given piece of loot drops, the class leader can double-check interest, maybe make 2 equally worthy candidates roll against each other, and then ultimately put forward their candidate for the loot. Knowing that these are the factors for loot recommendation should hopefully minimize drama and in the intangible areas raiders should generally be expected to behave like loving adults because for loving really guys it's going to be Vanilla forever and on a long enough scale infinite loot will drop to gear an infinite amount of players jesus loving christ.

Also I don't particularly care to raid long-term with people who would pitch a fit over rational decisions like this, though I recognize that other loot systems are valid as a way of shielding myself and others from the sort of tantrums it has the potential to cause.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


lapse posted:

3. Class leaders - Class leader system sounds fine the way it was just described, but I would add that you need class leaders that are willing to defer on the "best" items that everyone always wants. I have been in guilds where a class leader gets the idea that "I'll take all this other stuff after everybody else, but I'm the first guy that gets ________". That's fine if you're the main tank and the item matters for progression, but other than that, just breeds drama. The uber items should go first to non-class leaders whenever feasible.

Yeah, I think in my scenario even when I felt like I was most deserving/as deserving as X player, I would ultimately have myself and a second class member roll as a bullshit shield against this sort of resentment. YMMV.


Also, as far as Garr--the devs haven't gotten around to fixing the elemental banishing problem which is the only issue with Garr as far as I now, but it is dumb that it wasn't the case the first week/2 weeks we were in MC and is now suddenly broken. Magmadar, however, have they really said it is "working as intended"? Coz that's rather infuriating.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


In advance of Saturday's MC, everyone PLEASE please make an effort to get at least one nice gear upgrade. Warriors, please be willing to tank up if it makes or breaks an instance run going forward. Keep in mind that the Dire Maul instances have better than average stat distribution for most classes, and don't get hung up on UBRS too much. You can find upgrades for your class/role everywhere. I will be up all night Friday night helping folks run through stuff, and will try to hop on a bit tonight as well.

Healers, please spend some time farming up Demonic Runes and the like. If you are healing spec, then kindly ask a warlock to help you farm--many warlocks can use the felcloth off the same mobs to craft awesome +shadow dmg gear (and if they need me to craft it, I can do that! I have almost all the Felcloth set pieces). Also, I can make you major mana potions (Dreamfoil and Icecap) or Elixir of the Sages (Plaguebloom and Dreamfoil) on Siegebreaker if you get me the herbs.

If everyone can get just one significant gear upgrade prior to MC, we are going to crush Magmadar and Garr so hard. Please do it.

Bohemienne fucked around with this message at Nov 17, 2011 around 12:47

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Also, if you are looking for the ol' Best in Slot loot lists of yore, complete with 1.12 accurate stats, look right here:

http://forum.wow-one.com/index.php?...otcom-for-1121/

Figure out what you can grab before MC and go for it.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Also, Vivienne is buying the Ace of Beasts. Paying all the gold. Last card I need

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Suprfli6 posted:

I got Du, Sgtkevin, and some other LHC members banned for 3 days! Possibly Trolladin as well... Christmas has come early!

You are my favorite person right now.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Word on the street says there's no Azuregos to be had. We'll see in another hour, I suppose.

Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Judging from the Scriptcraft forums, it sounds like a home for all the people who got banned/ignored on Rebirth forums . . . I think I'll pass.

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Bohemienne
May 15, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Holy poo poo, so excited about ZG being open. Why did my mom insist on coming to visit this weekend (Oh yeah, gonna miss MC Saturday, btw.)

That being said: Who's game for a couple hours of ZG tonight, forming up at, say, 8:00 server time?

Bohemienne fucked around with this message at Dec 6, 2011 around 20:23

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