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Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


hey there (not) new industry thread.

I feel bad for the guy with the stick blender, I took the end of my finger off about a month ago and its still coming back

also how the hell do I find decent line cooks

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Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


pile of brown posted:

I've done this, they fly out the door so fast I ran out of ranch powder

Why is this not a special or on your menu, the manager in me is screaming opportunity.


There are some things you should charge for, like additions that are not on the menu (putting avocado on sandwich x, I want bacon on this veggie burger, etc...) but trying to get $.25 per ranch cup is just going to piss them off. Adjust your pricing to account for it and move on.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


For me it all starts with hiring. It isn't hard to pick out who is going to be trouble in one way or another, stealing included. I had stuff start disappearing a couple months ago, and when I went through recent hires I found my kitchen manager had hired some dude who got fired from Wendy's for stealing. Magically after I fired him the next day things stopped being missing. Ended up firing the Kitchen Manager as well. It sucks, but at the end of the day you just cannot have an environment of paranoia no one wants to work in that.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Hah i hope it isnt illegal i have cod on my menu as "pacific butterfish" people go crazy for it.

Also why would you possibly stay there vs any other minimum wage job that will likely make you hate your life a little less?

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


I am told it's what they call cod in Hawaii. I actually took a second to google it and can't really find much info, but I may have been misinformed. I would not outright lie about the product (a la crab/fake crab) but a little embellishment doesn't hurt. I've learned that how you word things on menus makes a huge difference.

Dumb question, what temp do you guys keep your flattops at? Mine is acting crazy after we deep cleaned Saturday with the gas off. We usually keep it at 350 but its getting really black really fast, I am wondering if I had a pilot out and its been struggling or if I have a t-stat problem.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


hah good save

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Haha you are bored

Also I have discovered that pierogies are a huge pain in the rear end to actually make regardless of what goes into them. I am thinking of switching to blinis

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


I must be bad at google i cant find olive rabbit can someone enlighten me?

Also we make pretty standard pierogies, just from scratch. The dough i use must need some work because it just is not standing up to even boiling much less getting crisped in he pan.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Pierogies

3 cups all-purpose flour
1 cup water
1 large egg
2 teaspoons vegetable oil
1 teaspoon salt
pierogie filling
Form a well with the flour and into the well put the egg, water, oil, and salt.
Mix liquid ingredients with a fork without disturbing flour at first.
Slowly incorporate the flour using a large spoon until a dough forms.
Knead dough until soft and even, about 8 minutes.
Cover with the bowl and let sit for 1 hour.
Halve dough and roll out into 18 inch round.
Using a pint glass cut out round sections, re rolling dough as necessary.
Use a 1 oz scoop to place filling on dough rounds.
Fold over the rounds and pinch to seal shut.
Place in boiling water and cook for 5 minutes after they begin to float.
Drain and place on sheet tray.
Label, date, refrigerate.


Is my current recipe. We saute in butter - sorry when I said crispy I meant crisping up the sides in a pan - but its a loving pain in the rear end to keep them from sticking. Luckily I put a rosemary creme sauce and homemade sausage on top so it covers a lot of fuckups.

In other news, I have made some awesome stuff lately: my own bacon en masse, duck breast prosciutto, and a chocolate bacon cupcake. Now I just need a decent shift supervisor so I can keep doing this stuff and not get stuck on the line all goddamn day.

I have a question, I have an idea for a great dish but it would require roasting a chicken quarter, but I wouldn't know how to execute it. Do I need to par cook it? I don't have convection ovens so the best I can do is ~450 from the oven under my 6 burner.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


How anyone in the restaurant industry has a problem getting laid for free is beyond me. The rules of hot or not don't even apply. That's with me a in a fourth rate city I cannot imagine the tail in nyc.


Also Worldmaker do you mind terribly if I gratuitously steal your Pork Florentine concept and put it on my menu?

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Worldmaker posted:

Not at all. If you want the recipe, sous vide temp/times, etc, just ask.

The lavender rice will cost you.

To be honest, I was worried that you didn't like the dish. I let my sous do the cooking when you stopped in, and I was REALLY underwhelmed with the texture of the pork medallions he put out. They should have been crispier, but he was too concerned with timing the whole affair and cooked them slow and with too much butter.

I will probably skip the lavender rice, Richmond people wouldn't appreciate it anyways. I did think it could have been better executed, but it certainly wasn't done poorly and I did like the concept a lot so overall I was happy. I am going to have to dumb it down a bit, I don't even have a meat slicer much less a sous vide (fun story, the only restaurant in town that does have one had to wait 8 months to get it approved for use) so it will probably just be decent boneless chops brined and done in a pan.

I also figured out the chicken quarters thanks to a sous chef friend of mine at the restaurant a block up, turned out pretty awesome.

FOH is definitely more dynamic than BOH. In a kitchen everyone knows what is supposed to happen, and managing people is just making sure they do it and do it correctly. FOH you have to deal with the X factor of customers. Busy night, things happening all around, and you have to go talk to angry rear end in a top hat X or VIP Y.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Haha no problem. Want to come run my kitchen? You could be woefully underpaid in a city no better than Cleveland!

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


aklhasklj I can't take this staff anymore. If there's anyone who wants a job in Richmond, VA let me know.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


How could you possibly be slow anytime in the month of December?

Heh just found out my owner and his entire family will be here Dec. 23rd for a sit down dinner. Weeeeeeeeeeeee

Also every time I replace something cheap with something expensive my numbers get better. Seriously, taking PBR off draft and putting in $9 a pint pumpkin beers caused almost a 5% jump in beer sales alone.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Arnold of Soissons posted:

Definitely. If it's not a special occasion my wife and I will pick the place with a better tap list and decent food over the place with the better food and less good taps every time.

e: to clarify, if it's between a place with lovely food but great beer, great food but lovely beer or good-but-not-great beer and food, we will usually pick #3.

Yeah, I am changing the menu next week to get a little more parity. The beers are good but the food was lagging big time, chicken tenders and fries was on as an appetizer, etc...

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Fuzzy Pipe Wrench posted:

What's the cost of living like there and how many hours would be available?

Mid level, 40

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Wroughtirony posted:

Funny you should mention that... ;-)


Just landed in the DC area, looks like we'll be living on Fort Belvoir. I'm looking for an independent casual to fine dining resto that's cooking from scratch and doing it well, with a chef I can learn from. I don't really care about size. As far as style I'd like to stay generally under the european/new american umbrella. I won't take a job as a dishwasher, but I will start as prep. I'm not picky about commute, but somewhere on the VA side or easily accessible by metro is a plus.

Your recommendations would be really useful to help me narrow the list for my first round of inquiries. I don't know a soul here except for a few soldiers, so I feel like I'm flying blind. Also, if you know of any places that are notorious for insane turnover/bad working conditions/lying to applicants, tell me please! Any industry watering holes of note would be good info too.


And before anyone jumps on me for not being willing to wash dishes or work in a food truck/grocery store/oil rig, it has to do with where I'm trying to go career-wise, not snobbery.


I'm not looking for introductions or anything, just hoping that you guys will get me pointed in the right direction. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

I dont know many industry people in dc but I will ask around. My current bar manager just left dc and was well connected


Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Hah, sublet that poo poo and talk the gf into coming here. It is the weirdest thing, everyone is either a dishwasher at Wendy's here or loving Wolfgang Puck looking for 60k+ to be a shift manager. If you haven't lived here your whole life it is a pretty cool city, certainly for families.

Got a fun story to let you guys know what I deal with: my prep guy yesterday put pasta in to cold water, turned the burner on, and *then* let it boil. I saved the end result just to make him eat it for staff meal.

I have a question, too... I just changed over to grinding my own burgers (from choice brisket) and the result is loving amazing, with the exception that it has a hard time staying together on the grill. Any binding advice?

Garregus fucked around with this message at Dec 16, 2011 around 05:41

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Talent rises to the top. I am already thinking about how I am going to get one of my dishwashers to move into supervising the line.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


I doubt i would ever use a japanese knife in the kitchen again, too damned fragile.

I have a 12" victorinox that is pretty much my go to now, but we dont do anything that requires crazy knife skills/cutting.

Also I wore out my mozos in about four months, now i back to knee/ foot pain, can i expect danskos to go longer or am i just going tobe buying shoes once a quarter?

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


http://www.wokshop.com/HTML/product...el-cleaver.html

Link for reference, you can get them at any asian market for like $8. Holds up really well, but when it gets dull you throw it out (at the cook who burned the wings earlier) and get a new one.


Anyone here work in a restaurant/bar type of place? I am wondering what I should be paying nighttime entertainment.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Zadmaster posted:

So I've been away from the forums for a couple months, and had been following the "Want a job that will suck the life out of you" thread, and just saw that it hasn't had any new posts since September.

Has this become the new "industry" thread?


Yes

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


E: I am dumb

Garregus fucked around with this message at Jan 6, 2012 around 02:56

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


denereal visease posted:

I just hit the 5 month mark cooking fulltime, 4pm-2am shifts

I've read most of the closed "industry" thread, and one thing I didn't see much discussion of (probably because I know the answer) is how you (the multi-year/career veterans) deal with the work stress. Alcoholism and substance abuse?

That and using as few words as possible to communicate times, status, etc. are what I know I need to work on to continue to thrive manage to survive in the industry.

If this got covered already please probate me mods.

I think this has been covered, but the general consensus was pretty much <insert mind-altering substance here> I don't really get stressed out by work though, so I cannot speak to it personally. Though I do drink pretty frequently, but that was long before I became a GM.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


slimskinny posted:


We're hemorrhaging money on labor, but always make our numbers.

I dont see hownthat could possibly be the cae, and even if it is you could be crushing them. If anyone intelligent or responsible notices this higher up its not going to be fun.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


He tells you hes getting a huge bonus (already unprofessional) right after telling you your not getting a raise to normal levels for your position? Dude, the guy is a douche and nothing is going to get better.


Fuzzy Pipe Wrench posted:

How important would you guys rate the resume for lower level kitchen jobs? Where I work is in the middle of downgrading food quality, portions, and wages. So despite management's efforts to keep me around I'm starting to think its time to restart the search.

It doesn't have to be perfect or amazing, just make sure the spelling and grammar are correct. For low level kitchen jobs your personal appearance, punctuality, and attitude are far more important to actually getting the job. But I easily disqualify ~%85 of all applicants from even being considered for an interview because they cant get their resume even spelled correctly or don't include what I have asked for.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Psychobabble posted:

I'm kind of confused. While I understand that posting them on a board may have certain connotations, why wouldn't everyone on the floor know what everyone else's percentages are? It's kind of standard practice for people working certain jobs to get a certain percentage. If you're working from a points system then servers get x number of points, bus boys get x number, hosts get x number, etc.

Im pretty sure he means they are posting ehat people are making, i.e. Bobby makes an average of 19% from his tables but suzie always wears turtlenecks and only makes 16%

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


What do you guys do for sore feet? Every massager/foot bath I find has reviews that read along the lines of "built like crap but might help." Is there a magical solution I am missing somewhere?

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Just got in Danskos, the ones from Mozo lasted all of three months. Mats are tough, we don't use them on the line and even if we did as a GM I am all over the place. I found some cheap roller things that seem like they might be helpful, might try those.

I got the whiskey covered.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Runnnnnnn

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Goon posted:

gently caress january. Was supposed to be my slow season, get caught up on paperwork, redo the recipe book, optimize ordering. Nope, it's as busy as November was. Except for this week because Seattle has its knickers in a twist over a little snow, but I'm still doing 12 hour days. gently caress.

Same here. The best part is that means I get to promote someone to actually be the kitchen manager so I can actually do those things.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


This will make good material for your book 20 years from now. Try to keep a camera with you since you won't remember anything.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


my best line cook just moved his two drat kids in with him from New York and immediately went to poo poo. Now hes always cranky, generally late, and has been doing a poo poo job of closing. I like the guy but I cannot keep him, and pulling him aside and trying to help him get his poo poo together isn't helping.

I did get six new taps installed though, I now have 18 mostly local/all good taps. At this point I am worried that craft beers are becoming too prolific and the whole market will implode on itself.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Wroughtirony posted:

Please give him the dignity of a heads-up and counseling.

I have had two or three meetings with him, asking him what he needs. I tried adjusting his schedule, giving him less responsibilities, nothing worked. He ended up taking the decision away from me and walking out on my busiest Friday of the month a couple days ago.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Agh since the first of the year no less than 8 restaurants have opened around me. It is killing me. The worst part is they are all the same mediocre crap people go nuts about in this city. Everyone tries to be super fancy with weird ingredients and they never execute it. But the so-called foodie bloggers go nuts over it.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Skinny King Pimp posted:

Crashed and burned on Saturday night, we had to stop seating people two hours before the kitchen usually closes. Was busy for lunch, no more than 5 minutes with a clear board between lunch and dinner, and was absolutely batshit retarded for dinner. It felt like 9 hours of running at full sprint.

At least the GM was there to see why we keep telling him we need to be able to close the kitchen for a couple of hours in the middle of the day to catch up on prep and reset the kitchen before dinner service. You can't expect a kitchen to function for 12 hours straight in a 180 seat restaurant.

You are likely right that there is a problem, but there is no way that is the solution. If you have room I'd say have a dedicated prep guy/staff that isn't anywhere near the line. On busy nights I will also keep someone around just to get stuff that the line guys run out of; I have a fairly small line for how many seats I have they just can't store it all where it is easily available.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Wroughtirony posted:

sarcasm

Can't tell if this was directed at me or the foodies that are ok with those things?

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Wroughtirony posted:

No, I'm assuming you do great work and are suffering from stupid people with bad taste who don't get it but manage to command an audience. I was just trying to make you laugh!

Heh you should commute with my Kitchen manager when he comes down from Fredricksburg.

Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Why would upper management be mad if nothing was wasted? If that is the case then your ending inventory should correct your food cost... Also that's a separate issue from labor cost which is what they are supposedly more concerned about?

Voting goon run restaurant, it seems pretty clear that there are like maybe 50 people in the world that aren't incompetent or outright worthless. I had a tirade for this but I just got the numbers back and we are up almost 10% against previous year and my boss said he had some of the best food ever here Saturday so I just don't have the heart for it.

What are people thinking for spring menus? I am starting to put mine together, but I haven't come up with anything profoundly seasonal. Just beer cheese which came out like american queso and way more awesome.

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Garregus
Aug 10, 2002


Hah one of the new places that just opened with a "local celebrity chef" is now in trouble because they were putting bull testes onto pizza but not listing it as an ingredient. This is/was one of the "Best New Restaurants" in the local paper.

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