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ntan1
Apr 29, 2009

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Sanguinary Novel posted:

So I bought some matcha to try from a local tea shop thinking "It's just like making powdered hot chocolate! :downs:".

From what I read online, it suggests using a sieve to distribute the powder to prevent clumps and then use a bamboo whisk to mix the powder and hot water. A sieve I can do, but I really want to hold off on getting a specialized whisk until I try it. A regular whisk isn't the same thing, but will it do in a pinch? Or are there different ways to prepare it?

A mesh tea filter that has very small holes also works for sifting/removing clumps. A real maccha whisk is actually pretty much required to make maccha correctly. A cooking whisk has the incorrect thickness and will not be able to create a smooth froth/texture with no holes.

Basically, when maccha is made properly the normal way it contains a very flat neon green froth on the top with no large bubbles (an almost similar texture to steamed milk in a latte). The texture is extremely important.

There is another way of making maccha that doesn't involve frothing, but I don't recommend trying thick maccha unless you know what you're going for and have really really high quality maccha.

aldantefax posted:

You'd be surprised! The tea part of genmaicha is pretty temperature sensitive - in my experiences I use 174F. You can feel free to adjust the quantity of leaf and steep time back up to three minutes if you like, too.

Genmaicha is generally not temperature sensitive but can be oversteeped. Best is boiling water, 30 seconds. Alternatively, if you are lazy like me and use a water heater, Try 1 minute, 85-90 degrees C. I forgot, best way is to increase leaf (2-3 tbsp) and decrease water to about a cup.

ntan1 fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Feb 21, 2013

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ntan1
Apr 29, 2009

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It's green tea harvest season!

This year I'm limiting my sample selection to the following:

Maiko Shincha Sencha Kinari
Tsuen Ujibashi San no Ma
Yutaka Midori (o-cha.com selected)
Ippodo's Shincha
Marukyuu Koyamaen Gold

Depending on time/whether I feel like it, I might also add Sugimoto and Den's tea onto the list for sampling.

ntan1
Apr 29, 2009

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Archer2338 posted:

Loved the Sencha and finished my sampler pack... Now I want to try the genmaicha (I love toasted rice, so this should be awesome), but I'm not sure about the directions.

Adagio says to steep for 2 minutes, but every site I've read seems to suggest ~1minute or even 30 seconds. The sencha worked better when I deviated from the bag instructions, so do any of you have steeping times you go with (can genmaicha be reused)?

This is so much easier than coffee in the mornings (that is, if I take the time to brew a proper cup) that I might switch my morning routine over :shobon:

I'm a daily drinker of Sencha.

Sencha can be picky sometimes. For all of my standard lightly steamed sencha, I do a 1 ounce to .8 gram ratio to start, and raise if necessary. Depending on the mix, the temperature for brewing various between 65C to 80C. Typically, with an 80C brew, the first steep will be about 40 seconds, and with a 65C brew, the first steep will be 1:30.

If you want, you can also try Shincha (new harvest tea) which is still on sale. The difference is that the leaves are much more fresh and flavorful over the normal year, as they do not send the leaf into storage. Check o-cha.com as a brief starter.

Genmaicha: pretty much a standard 1 minute brew for loose leaf tea, and I often literally brew this one hot, at 85C. Genmaicha is very much not picky, and never uses the best part of the green tea leaf.

ntan1
Apr 29, 2009

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Wedemeyer posted:

I'm in the Bay Area, CA so maybe it is the humidity. I checked the other tea, also in a crappy teavana tin, and that one seemed ok. Not clumpy, though I can't tell if the apple slices are supposed to be crunchy freeze dried or just dehydrated. The tea leaves were dry and snapped instead of bending so I think that one's alright. Either way they're both going in a better container.
The damp clumpy tea didn't seem moldy or smell wrong, so I put it on a cookie sheet in the oven. When it dries I'll make a test cup and feed it to my enemies see if it tastes the same. Thanks guys!

I live in the bay area and there is no humidity here. It likely has to do with where you stored the tea (was it in a closet right above a stove, for example). Other things to think of: is the tea old? There are some types of tea which very much do not last long.

ntan1
Apr 29, 2009

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Enfys posted:

I still can't figure out if I like sencha or not, or if I am doing weird things making it sometimes, or what. The first couple of times I made it, I really didn't like it. Then I decided to try it again, and it was absolutely fantastic. It seems like it's a total hit or miss tea for me - either I can't stand the taste, or it is perfectly lovely, and I have no idea what it is as I'm keeping the water temperature and brewing time the same :confused:

Loose Leaf? Sencha is one of the harder teas to make. This is why I'm really really picky about the specific pot I use for Sencha and times/ratios. Here's the best way to make Sencha

You want about 1-2 tbsp of leaf. It depends on the specific area the leaf comes from, but 1.5 is usually my starting point (translates to about 8grams of loose leaf). You want about 210ml of water (close to half a cup).

Preheat the tea vessel. Meanwhile, take boiling water and put it into a cup. Wait 10 seconds, then poor it into another cup. You can save time by using the tea vessel as the first cup you pour the water into (This will bring the temperature of water down to 68C-75C, if you want to measure it out). Put tea leaf in the empty tea vessel now.

Pour the water over. Wait 1-1:30, depending on taste (1:30 is pretty bitter, 1:00 is mellow). Pour all of the tea out quickly at this point.

Remember, with loose leaf Sencha, you want a fine mesh filter for the tea as you're pouring :).

ntan1
Apr 29, 2009

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You really need a whisk.

Oh, and good matcha is very expensive.

ntan1
Apr 29, 2009

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Placid Marmot posted:

They may be "thoughts" about the importance of water, but they should perhaps not be seen as recommendations, given the level of pseudoscience and self-contradiction.


While it makes some degree of sense that teas have "evolved" in association with local water (through the tea-makers picking the best combination of plants, leaves and tea style to match local water), the chemical variation between water sources on opposite sides of a valley, or at different times of year, even from one year to the next, or depending what chemicals were added to the soil that season, could be greater than the variation between one local water source and one on the other side of the world. And, realistically, even if the local tea did evolve to suit the water that the tea-makers happened to use (or had no choice but to use), that does not mean that there is not a better water to be found elsewhere.


So, to retain the most oxygen in the water, you should not bring it immediately to the desired temperature, but instead draw out the oxygen-loss process through slow heating to the desired temperature.
Ok. Makes sense.


Contradicts the previous quote by recommending reboiling water, rather than using new water, with no benefit (unless you're making tea in a drought).

Yet no mention of the damage that [naturally or artificially] chlorinated or fluorinated water may cause to the flavour, for example.

What is actually true is that Spring Water, followed by Natural Mineral Water, is generally the best type of water for teas with subtle flavor. Generally, distilled water is not good for tea due to the lack of minerals, which are needed to enhance flavor. You generally want the water to be at a pH of 7.5 to 8.5 for these types of tea.

ntan1
Apr 29, 2009

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Harukasumi from Marukyu Koyamaen :3

ntan1
Apr 29, 2009

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Reiterpallasch posted:

Go to any of the high-end department stores and look for the tea counter in the basement where all the food stalls are--the "flagship" department stores (Isetan in Shinjuku, Mitsukoshi in Ginza, probably some other ones) carry very good teas there. a brand i buy a lot of is Marukyu Koyamaen, a Kyoto-based tea concern that should be distributed at most high-end department stores in Tokyo; they specialize in shaded teas but also have a bunch of consistently blended, reasonably priced senchas and kabuses.

This is a month late but no department store in Tokyo sells Marukyu Koyamaen. The closest would be Kyoto.

The Shinjuku Isetan holds Kanbayashi, which is an Edo-established producer Maccha (and notably just about as famous), but my experience with Kanbayashi sencha and maccha is that Koyamaen is more balanced and complex.
Ginza Mitsukoshi holds Ippodo, which produces a consistent sencha that I buy, but I still like Koyamaen even more. It's worth noting that I like Ippodo more than Kanbayashi
Daimaru in Tokyo has Fukujuen, which is also well established, but I like Ippodo more.
Takashimaya in Nihonbashi has Yamamotoyama, which likes to produce nori as well. However, it's also not as good as Ippodo.

In any case, the point is that Koyamaen is harder than you think to get in Tokyo, and that I suppose mail ordering it is the best.

It's also worth noting that Tsujiri (not to be confused with the 4-5 other stores also called Tsujiri) now has a store in Ginza, and I have been meaning to try their maccha and sencha for a while.

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ntan1
Apr 29, 2009

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They're good. A solid flagship department store isn't going to sell bad tea in Japan.

The differences between those five different brands I mentioned isn't going to be significant unless you drink Japanese green tea every day, and buying based on the quality that they advertise (they're fair with this) will end up being fine.

Even as a person who drinks green tea every day the difference is subtle.

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