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How would anyone know a command spell is being used though? It doesn't appear to have any physical manifestation aside from one of the seals disappearing.
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The giveaway would probably be Archer doing something even more ridiculous that he already does. WARP KAMEH^H^H^H^H^HENUMA ELISH!
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| # ? Nov 16, 2011 00:15 |
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Hikarusa posted:Also, Gil would probably find some way to tear Tokiomi apart himself in that case, regardless of what kinds of commands Tokiomi gives him. This is really the main reason. Tokiomi is trying his best to have a good relationship with Gil, which is why they sort of reversed their Master/Servant roles. Even if he could get away with unlimited command spells, if he used a single one on Gilgamesh again it would basically become the end of their relationship.
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Xy Hapu posted:How would anyone know a command spell is being used though? It doesn't appear to have any physical manifestation aside from one of the seals disappearing. I can't remember if this was glazed over in the earlier episodes, but command spell don't just force the Servant to do what the Master tells them to (like when Lancer was commanded to fight Saber), but it also makes them more effective at doing so. One of the most common examples of this in F/SN is that a Servant could run to their Master when they're in danger, but if the Master uses command spell, the Servant could warp time and teleport straight to their Master. Suffice it to say, Tohsaka being able to burn a command on Gilgamesh, who is already disgustingly powerful, for each individual fight to boost his strength, poo poo would get ridiculous. Of course there's also the whole issue of commanding Gilgamesh in the first place, but if Tohsaka played into Gilgamesh's plans and only used the spells to help him do what he already wanted to do, who knows what might happen. sentrygun fucked around with this message at Nov 16, 2011 around 00:22 |
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Man thinking along those lines I now really hope we get a HA ova/series one day so we can see Gilgamesh just go loving nuts in.
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| # ? Nov 16, 2011 00:24 |
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sentrygun posted:I can't remember if this was glazed over in the earlier episodes, but command spell don't just force the Servant to do what the Master tells them to (like when Lancer was commanded to fight Saber), but it also makes them more effective at doing so. Doesn't Saber move at like mach 10 or something ridiculous when Shirou calls her to him with a command spell in F/SN?
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Viash posted:Doesn't Saber move at like mach 10 or something ridiculous when Shirou calls her to him with a command spell in F/SN? I think she literally just appears out of thin air and catches Shirou, at least in the Rider fight of Fate. They actually mention the command spell allowing the Servant to teleport or something like that, so I wouldn't be surprised if she just suddenly shifted spaces from running out of the house to catching Shirou instantly.
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| # ? Nov 16, 2011 00:38 |
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In FSN she teleported straight to him. In FHA she did a mach 10 (or something ridiculous like that) jump with it.
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| # ? Nov 16, 2011 00:40 |
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Factor_VIII posted:Iskandar was a pretty weird name for them to use anyway, since that's what Alexander is called by the Persians. In Greek his name was "Alexandros". sentrygun posted:I can't remember if this was glazed over in the earlier episodes, but command spell don't just force the Servant to do what the Master tells them to (like when Lancer was commanded to fight Saber), but it also makes them more effective at doing so. A command spell used with both the trust of the servant and the master can basically give them a tremendous stat buff. This is demonstrated in F/HA where Saber's speed is boosted tremendously to reach and attack a target. Basically using it can allow a Servant to briefly overcome almost any foe. This is the real reason command spells are so valuable. However a vague command reduces the effectiveness of the spell. So a direct command like "strike Achilles' heel" would almost be guaranteed to happen. Randomzx fucked around with this message at Nov 16, 2011 around 01:34 |
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I think something else mentioned in F/SN is the more general the command, the less powerful it is. So "Come save me!" results in teleportation, but something like "Win the Grail War" would basically result in no bonus whatsoever. e;fb
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Endorph posted:I think something else mentioned in F/SN is the more general the command, the less powerful it is. There is a bonus, but its effect is tame compared to a full powered one. In this case, the result is that the Servant would have more mana support to achieve the goal.
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| # ? Nov 16, 2011 02:18 |
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The one instance known of it was Tohsaka telling Archer to follow her orders, and there they say that it shouldn't have taken hold, being that vague, except that she was really pissed off and forceful about it. In that case he merely "went down one rank" if he disobeyed her.
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Bakanogami posted:The one instance known of it was Tohsaka telling Archer to follow her orders, and there they say that it shouldn't have taken hold, being that vague, except that she was really pissed off and forceful about it. In that case he merely "went down one rank" if he disobeyed her. Furthermore, it was said that it was only because Rin was supremely exceptional that this occurred at all. Archer was going on about how such an use of the Command Seal wouldn't do a thing when he noticed the weightiness.
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Bakanogami posted:In that case he merely "went down one rank" if he disobeyed her. Which is a really vague penalty that throws into question whether or not any of Archer's losses while he was a servant of Tohsaka were fair.
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ChronoReverse posted:Furthermore, it was said that it was only because Rin was supremely exceptional that this occurred at all. Archer was going on about how such an use of the Command Seal wouldn't do a thing when he noticed the weightiness. I was under the impression that he was lying to her to make her feel better about her dumb mistake.
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| # ? Nov 16, 2011 05:29 |
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Hikarusa posted:I was under the impression that he was lying to her to make her feel better about her dumb mistake. Well, that command spell is kinda the whole reason for most of the plot of UBW, explaining why Archer doesn't just shiv Shirou in the back at his earliest convenience, but instead had to set up that gambit with Rule Breaker.
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Fangz posted:Well, that command spell is kinda the whole reason for most of the plot of UBW, explaining why Archer doesn't just shiv Shirou in the back at his earliest convenience, but instead had to set up that gambit with Rule Breaker. There was one other reason. Archer wanted to make sure Rin got Saber.
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Fangz posted:Well, that command spell is kinda the whole reason for most of the plot of UBW, explaining why Archer doesn't just shiv Shirou in the back at his earliest convenience, but instead had to set up that gambit with Rule Breaker. actually right after the temple incident, Rin used another command spell to order Archer not to attack Shirou as long as long as the alliance hold. That was the command spell that Archer wanted to circumvent.
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Fangz posted:Well, that command spell is kinda the whole reason for most of the plot of UBW, explaining why Archer doesn't just shiv Shirou in the back at his earliest convenience, but instead had to set up that gambit with Rule Breaker. Actually, that's not the spell that fucks him up. After Archer attacks Shirou at Caster's place, she directly uses a command spell to order him not to attack Shirou.
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| # ? Nov 16, 2011 06:22 |
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Carnival Phantasm 8 We have to wait until January now.  Atleast this episode has Saber Alter to make up for it.Edit: That was a very good episode.  
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-Troika- posted:Actually, that's not the spell that fucks him up. After Archer attacks Shirou at Caster's place, she directly uses a command spell to order him not to attack Shirou. Oh, drat, forgot about that one. Well, there's still the thing that Archer never attacks Shirou in the other routes, despite not getting the second command spell. I suppose Archer was strong enough to resist the single command spell in UBW.
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Fangz posted:Oh, drat, forgot about that one.
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| # ? Nov 16, 2011 12:59 |
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Yes, but there are plenty of opportunities before those points. Lots of chances for Archer to go 'oops, I slipped', since Shirou is just an ordinary human after all.
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Factor_VIII posted:In Fate, Archer is badly injured by Saber at the beginning and by the time he heals Rin orders him to fight Berserker so he never gets a chance to attack Shirou. In HF Shirou abandons his ideal so Archer no longer has a reason to try and kill him. He even saves Shirou's life by becoming an organ donor for him. Actually he was still recovering at the Berserker fight, most of the servants don't have natural regenerative abilities of Saber. Either they heal themselves with magic (like Caster), or absorb souls (like Rider). And Archer isn't really suited to both. And Rin doesn't really have the resource to help heal such a heavy wound since she already used up that jewel at the beginning just to heal up Shirou.
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Randomzx posted:Actually he was still recovering at the Berserker fight, most of the servants don't have natural regenerative abilities of Saber. Either they heal themselves with magic (like Caster), or absorb souls (like Rider). And Archer isn't really suited to both. And Rin doesn't really have the resource to help heal such a heavy wound since she already used up that jewel at the beginning just to heal up Shirou.
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Factor_VIII posted:Does the VN say he hadn't recovered? Rider only needs to absorb energy from humans because Shinji can't provide her with any. As long as a Servant's core isn't damaged, it can fully heal itself and Rin does have a huge supply of magical energy that Archer can use to recover. Sure he doesn't have Saber's regeneration, but then again Saber can fully recover from being practically cut in half in 10 minutes when supplied with enough mana. You misunderstood me, Servants are capable of minor regeneration, but Archer wasn't fully healed at the Berserker fight. Saber is different because she have great regenerative abilities compared to the other classes. Rider sped up her healing herself in HF by absorbing Shirou's energy in a dream and as a act of revenge (also absorbing soul energy from humans doesn't just provide mana, it also helps the healing process since the Servants are spiritual beings too). Caster have spells from the ages of the gods so her healing power is far more potent than Rin's (Rin isn't specialized for healing and she used up everything from a huge Jewel capacity just to heal a human Shirou).
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The Carnival Phantasm OVA included a playthrough of the Ilya's Castle minigame from F/HA that was narrated by the F/SN voice actors. The fact that Lancer is the Kenny of the Nasuverse amuses me.
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everyone posted:F/SN spoilers Did everyone forget again that F/SN spoilers are okay in this thread?
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Marin Karin posted:Carnival Phantasm 8 Saber Lion is adorable. I'd want to take her home, if I weren't so afraid that she'd eat me.
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MagicalDuck posted:Saber Lion is adorable. I'd want to take her home, if I weren't so afraid that she'd eat me. The weak are grilled meat meals for the strong. 
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When did Lancer get turned into Kenny? Also, what ungodly force has given us FIVE different Neco-Arcs? (...Seriously, what the hell is up with that, I'm kinda behind on my Neco-arc canon.) I'm weird, I guess. I thought the Saber Lion thing was stupid... But Saber taking a job as a waitress to afford Shirou's birthday present, on the other hand. (And the hell happened to all the Tsukihime stuff this season? All we had were some mediocre Arcueid segments, that boring thing with Nero and Souichiro talking, and that cute little segment with Nanako and Archer.)
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legoman727 posted:When did Lancer get turned into Kenny? When Cú Chulainn have E rank luck and is constantly getting screwed over especially in his legend.
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| # ? Nov 17, 2011 16:46 |
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Marin Karin posted:The weak are grilled meat meals for the strong. I just burst out laughing when I saw that, I do hope Lancer get one moment to shine next season.
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| # ? Nov 17, 2011 20:25 |
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What do you call becoming Berserker's new Noble Phantasm if not his shining moment? :P Speaking of season endings, Fate/zero's first season ends at Episode 12 or something, right? That's going to be a long wait.
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| # ? Nov 17, 2011 20:47 |
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Randomzx posted:When Cú Chulainn have E rank luck and is constantly getting screwed over especially in his legend.
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| # ? Nov 17, 2011 23:18 |
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I was catching up on Carnival Phantasm and finished off ep 7 just now. I am in such utter disbelief that watching Caster break down in tears of joy could be so heart-meltingly funny.
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MagicalDuck posted:Saber Lion is adorable. I'd want to take her home, if I weren't so afraid that she'd eat me. It was surely an awesome episode. Can't wait for next fate zero now to fill out my week. Does this mean we'll see fate/zero crossover stuff in Carnival? they had the vampire granpa dude we saw in ep1.
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Raenir Salazar posted:they had the vampire granpa dude we saw in ep1. Doesn't necessarily mean anything, he's a pretty significant character in one of the F/SN routes.
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| # ? Nov 18, 2011 14:28 |
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Episode 8 is up. Can't wait to see some more of those sweet trees!
Marin Karin fucked around with this message at Apr 30, 2012 around 19:23 |
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Kotomine looks so bored at all this.
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