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Lancer is hosed. Even if he does win the holy grail I don't think he is clever enough to force Sola to use up the command seals so that she doesn't use them to gently caress over Kayneth right at the end. Not that I expect things to really get that far.
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I found Lancers story more interesting than Riders part in the episode to be honest. Sola-Ui is a bit of a bitch, poor Lancer, just wants to serve his master as a knight but he's just too drat sexy for his own good and keeps inadvertantly betraying their trust. 
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| # ? Nov 28, 2011 11:45 |
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It's not really that he's too sexy (although he is) but that the mole on his face is literally a charm that makes women fall in love with him. Mages in Fate remind me of wizards from The Magicians. They are all pretty much unhappy and broken individuals searching for something greater than themselves. Sola-Ui just continues this tradition. 
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| # ? Nov 28, 2011 16:18 |
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I wonder if there was not some way he could seal it, like FSN Rider did with Breaker Gorgon.
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| # ? Nov 28, 2011 16:37 |
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Wili posted:You know, there is quite a difference between "I don't love you anymore because I have fallen for another man" and "I am going to cut of your loving arm". I think the fact that Kayneth's marriage is now ruined may have been a blessing in disguise. I got the impression that doing something like this was her plan all along, and her growing feelings for Lancer are just the icing on the treachery cake. That may just be my wishful thinking, though.
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| # ? Nov 28, 2011 16:48 |
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Something tells me that political marriages for self interest when both spouses can kill people with a look and a gesture isn't exactly a recipee for success.
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| # ? Nov 28, 2011 18:27 |
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Sola-Ui just wants to use the Grail's power to make sure that her sister Sola-Yui's band makes it to the Budokan.
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| # ? Nov 28, 2011 19:36 |
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Nate RFB posted:I wonder if there was not some way he could seal it, like FSN Rider did with Breaker Gorgon. A loving simple facemask? Kayneth would probably have done that if he'd known which servant he was getting.
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Popehoist posted:A loving simple facemask? Kayneth would probably have done that if he'd known which servant he was getting.
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Popehoist posted:A loving simple facemask? Kayneth would probably have done that if he'd known which servant he was getting.
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Paracelsus posted:Sola-Ui just wants to use the Grail's power to make sure that her sister Sola-Yui's band makes it to the Budokan. Bravo, goon sir. She just wants Lancer to be her roadie. Forever.
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Paracelsus posted:Sola-Ui just wants to use the Grail's power to make sure that her sister Sola-Yui's band makes it to the Budokan. This is the best post in this thread. 
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Popehoist posted:A loving simple facemask? Kayneth would probably have done that if he'd known which servant he was getting. It might take more than that, who knows. Remember that Breaker Gorgon was in itself a Noble Phantasm just through it's ability to seal Rider's eyes. Even in the material where she gets glasses, they're supposed to be along the same lines as Shiki's.
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Bakanogami posted:It might take more than that, who knows. Remember that Breaker Gorgon was in itself a Noble Phantasm just through it's ability to seal Rider's eyes. Even in the material where she gets glasses, they're supposed to be along the same lines as Shiki's. I'm not so sure, Sola only seemed to get especially  when she was directly looking at Lancer's face.
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Kweh posted:This is the best post in this thread. That isn't terribly hard.
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Neo_Crimson posted:I'm not so sure, Sola only seemed to get especially Maybe she just likes ruggedly handsome men.
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So here's a question to you Fate experts. When Kariya had to summon his servant, he was forced to add some clause that caused him to get Berserker yeah? So what class would he have gotten without that?
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Until we have the identity of his servant, it's not really right to say anything about that. However, we have seen that it's a knight in dark armor. From that I would have said Saber, Lancer or Rider.
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Mango Polo posted:So here's a question to you Fate experts. When Kariya had to summon his servant, he was forced to add some clause that caused him to get Berserker yeah? So what class would he have gotten without that? I don't remember, but I don't think you get control over who you summon if you just slap down a circle. Like everything else in the grail war if you want an advantage you have to stack the deck any way you can (i.e. finding specific historical items tailored to the class/hero you want to summon). He couldn't have got Saber, Rider or Archer for example, because Kiritsugu, Waver and Tokiomi had relics specifically tailored to summon those servants.
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Mango Polo posted:So here's a question to you Fate experts. When Kariya had to summon his servant, he was forced to add some clause that caused him to get Berserker yeah? So what class would he have gotten without that? Well, the Black Knight as a Knight would probably function as Saber, Lancer, or Rider since they all exemplify skills prized by knights in general. Of course Caster was also a knight in this war, but the Black Knight still seems like a fighty dude more than anything else. In fact considering his Noble Phantasm lets him use any weapon, I figure he'd be able to perform as any class bar Caster or Assassin.
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For some reason I thought only one of each class could be summoned per war  Well nevermind then, that's cleared up!
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Yeah wow that's what i always thought too. I want to see a seven-Berserker war now.
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Mango Polo posted:For some reason I thought only one of each class could be summoned per war Oh no, only one can. Sorry, I meant the Black Knight could potentially fill any of those classes in a vacuum, like if was the first servant called. edit: I think only one can, anyway? From all I know of F:S/N, I'm not familiar with Nasu's assorted ramblings. Shyrka fucked around with this message at Nov 29, 2011 around 19:14 |
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Mango Polo posted:For some reason I thought only one of each class could be summoned per war That is indeed the case. Without the Berseker verses, maybe Kariya would have gotten a Caster Servant and the killer dude a Berseker. Actually I think you can still get Berseker without using the verses. Pierson posted:He couldn't have got Saber, Rider or Archer for example, because Kiritsugu, Waver and Tokiomi had relics specifically tailored to summon those servants. The relics are tailored to the heroes, not the classes. They could have been summoned as a different class if the one they have weren't avaliable. I believe somewhere it says the Arturia can also be summoned as Rider class.
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Wili posted:The relics are tailored to the heroes, not the classes. They could have been summoned as a different class if the one they have weren't avaliable. I believe somewhere it says the Arturia can also be summoned as Rider class.
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Man, Ryuunosuke with a Berserker would have been some scary poo poo.
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Shyrka posted:Oh no, only one can. Sorry, I meant the Black Knight could potentially fill any of those classes in a vacuum, like if was the first servant called. I think the third Grail War had two Sabers or something. Don't quote me on that though.
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Endorph posted:Man, Ryuunosuke with a Berserker would have been some scary poo poo. Not really. Remember how Ilya in FSN was a specialized homunculous with massive mana reserves to power Berserker? Rynnosuke isn't much of a mage and wouldn't be able to power a Berserker properly.
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Neo_Crimson posted:I think the third Grail War had two Sabers or something. EDIT: Also, okay, point about Berserker.
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Mango Polo posted:So here's a question to you Fate experts. When Kariya had to summon his servant, he was forced to add some clause that caused him to get Berserker yeah? So what class would he have gotten without that? Saber Rider Lancer Archer That said, one doesn't necessarily have to use the clause to get Berserker and that may have happened regardless. For more spoilery things (not spoilers on identity but could have a little too much of a hint, so I'm tagging it anyway) - Saber is a 100% match, Rider/Lancer are in the ballpark, and to be honest Archer is probably a bit of a stretch. Maybe it would work sort of like F/SN Archer? His noble phantasm is "Take your stuff and use it as my phantasm" so I suppose it's possible. Caster/Assassin would quite likely be impossible, they wouldn't fit at all. Shyrka posted:Of course Caster was also a knight in this war Fenrir fucked around with this message at Nov 29, 2011 around 20:03 |
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I just sort of assumed that Berserker was some knight from the round table. The parts of Arthurian mythology with Mordred as Arthur's illegitimate son don't really work with "Arturia", and this was some knight with a mad-on for Saber. That means it is probably Lancelot, no?
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I dont know a lot about F/SN stuff, but Im curious as to the specifics to the Archer class. Gil and F/SN Archer dont really seem very Archer-y, more like Saber class. What makes them archer?
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Gil qualifies because his main attack is "I'm not dirtying my hands with trash gently caress you" and then he throws a whole bunch of swords at ya. 
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| # ? Nov 29, 2011 20:32 |
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Well, they shoot things. And FSN Archer at least did have a bow (which he shot swords with).
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KoB posted:I dont know a lot about F/SN stuff, but Im curious as to the specifics to the Archer class. Gil and F/SN Archer dont really seem very Archer-y, more like Saber class. What makes them archer?
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Is a Beserked Gilgamesh possible?
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| # ? Nov 29, 2011 20:46 |
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AnacondaHL posted:Is a Beserked Gilgamesh possible? Only folks that went mad in life can be summoned as Berserker. Also, various heros qualify for multiple classes; I think that if one isn't picked they are summoned as a random one. Obviously EMIYA would qualify as a Saber
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AnacondaHL posted:Is a Beserked Gilgamesh possible? Most of the Berserkers who have shown up in the series were heroes who had gone on an angry murderous rampage at some point in their myths. I'm not familiar enough with the Epic of Gilgamesh to know if he qualifies for that.
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If I recall correctly he went a bit nuts after Enkidu died. Been years since I read that, though.
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-Troika- posted:Only folks that went mad in life can be summoned as Berserker.
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