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Factor_VIII
Feb 2, 2005

Les soldats se trouvent dans la vérité.

WrightOfWay posted:

Isn't it implied that the only reason he needs to use Archer's arm is because he has already betrayed the ideals that shaped his reality marble by not going the Mind of Steel route? He was perfectly capable of using projection in Fate and UBW.
No. Shirou still has Swords as his Origin and Elemental Affinity. In Fate he had Rin teach him how to use magic and help him activate his magic circuits while in UBW he had more chances to practice tracing as well as receiving prana from Rin later on. In HF Shirou simply hasn't had an opportunity to improve his skills before receiving the arm. And Rin in the True End of HF states that Shirou will be able to use his reality marble in the future if he trains himself to do so.

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Katsudon
Oct 21, 2010

Shut up Adachi.

MadRhetoric posted:

Holy poo poo, they're releasing that in the States? Seriously?
Yeah and the release date is actually this November iirc. So it'll be here really soon. :)

I told myself I wasn't going to buy any games for a while but I'm making an exception for this.

Wolpertinger
Feb 16, 2011

Zandracon posted:

But there wasn't anything like that in the anime at all :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d5KroZjjbA Pretty much when I facepalmed and stopped watching.


WE MUST HAVE HOT LESBIAN SEX OR WE'RE DOOOMED

:ughh:

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Wolpertinger posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d5KroZjjbA Pretty much when I facepalmed and stopped watching.


WE MUST HAVE HOT LESBIAN SEX OR WE'RE DOOOMED

:ughh:

A 5 minute scene just before the climax of the storyline is clearly a dealbreaker.

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST

Rodyle posted:

A 5 minute scene just before the climax of the storyline is clearly a dealbreaker.

To be fair, it was awfully shoehorned in between two of the more awesome scenes of the story.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Pureauthor posted:

To be fair, it was awfully shoehorned in between two of the more awesome scenes of the story.
Oh I'm not denying that FSN's sex is shoehorned in, the porn in it and Tsukihime is LITERALLY only in the games so they could stick 18+ on the cover for a few extra sales.

That doesn't mean that I'm not going to snark the goon tendency to see breasts or sex in ANYTHING and run for the hills screaming "CREEEEEPY" at the top of their lungs though. Even in the terrible land of DEEN animation, by that point in the story it should be obvious that kind of thing is not the focus.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
I thought the idea was that we would NOT tag FSN spoilers at all and would try to refrain from posting FZ spoilers.

Katsudon
Oct 21, 2010

Shut up Adachi.

Wolpertinger posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d5KroZjjbA Pretty much when I facepalmed and stopped watching.


WE MUST HAVE HOT LESBIAN SEX OR WE'RE DOOOMED

:ughh:

jfc I forgot they left this in the anime. :psyduck: This was what made the following scene so jarring for me: they left in the awkward buildup (without the actual lesbian making out) and then... that lead up to mana dragon shenanigans?? If I hadn't already been familiar with the VN and the sex scenes I would've been really confused. It just felt... weird to leave that in when they were scrubbing out the rest of the sex.

Conduit for Sale!
Apr 17, 2007

Nate RFB posted:

I thought the idea was that we would NOT tag FSN spoilers at all and would try to refrain from posting FZ spoilers.

There's several people reading this thread that are playing through FSN right now, and I'm sure there are more that are interested in reading it or will be interested after watching FZ (yes I know it spoils a lot of FSN, but still). So I think it'd only be polite to tag FSN spoilers.

ChronoReverse
Oct 1, 2009
It's going to be fun having power level wars in here after the series is done XD.

Somehow Nasuverse brings out the worse in me in this regard.

SALT CURES HAM
Jan 4, 2011

BlitzBlast posted:

Yet F/SN tells us that Kiritsugu kicked Kotomine's rear end. I'm sure Kotomine will put up a good fight, but it's already set in stone who the victor will be.

Kotomine is also eight feet tall, built like a brick shithouse, and can (HF) survive getting his heart ripped out and replaced with a core made of concentrated evil, and still kick Shirou's rear end even when he's minutes away from falling over dead. Kiritsugu is none of these. I think Urobuchi can do a little fudging here and have it be a moral victory or Kotomine not actually trying to win or something like that.

Also yeah I'm getting really tired of goons getting creeped out by anime tits, jesus loving christ you guys are babies. Pointless and shoehorned in? Yep. Hilarious? Hell yes. (mollusks!) Creepy? No.

SALT CURES HAM fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Sep 26, 2011

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn

WickedIcon posted:

Kotomine is also eight feet tall, built like a brick shithouse, and can (HF) survive getting his heart ripped out and replaced with a core made of concentrated evil, and still kick Shirou's rear end even when he's minutes away from falling over dead. Kiritsugu is none of these.

Correct. Instead, Kiritsugu is well-trained at using guns, has access to a vast amount of modern weaponry with the intelligence and cruelty to use it, has the ability to control his "internal time", which somehow translates to becoming the Flash, and shoots bullets specifically made to completely destroy magic. Also, he's not incompetent as a magus so he can use Saber.

BlitzBlast fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Sep 27, 2011

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST
Oh jeez Nasuverse powerlevel discussions.

Stop it, stop it at once. That way lies madness and ambiguity.

TheKnife
Jan 24, 2009
Let's discuss these episode 1 screenshots instead
http://moca-news.net/article/20110926/201109261443a/01/

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
Wow who is that dude in that firs- :stare: welp that owns.

Sindai fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Sep 27, 2011

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Sindai posted:

Wow who is that dude in that firs- :stare: welp that owns.
King Arthur, in a suit, looking sharp.

Katsudon
Oct 21, 2010

Shut up Adachi.
drat sharp.

Oh my god, can it be the 30th now please? These look so good.

Factor_VIII
Feb 2, 2005

Les soldats se trouvent dans la vérité.

BlitzBlast posted:

Correct. Instead, Kiritsugu is well-trained at using guns, has access to a vast amount of modern weaponry with the intelligence and cruelty to use it, has the ability to control his "internal time", which somehow translates to becoming the Flash, and shoots bullets specifically made to completely destroy magic. Also, he's not incompetent as a magus so he can use Saber.
Using Innate Time Control destroys his body so he can't normally rely on it and he has a limited number of magic bullets which are only useful under specific circumstances. He is a rather mediocre magus and as he can't even turn on his magic circuits properly, considering that he taught Shirou to do it wrong. Kiritsugu is very good at fighting and is an expert at killing other magi, but he's not that powerful.

Pureauthor posted:

Oh jeez Nasuverse powerlevel discussions.

Stop it, stop it at once. That way lies madness and ambiguity.
Who would win in a fight between Taiga and Issei, assuming Issei had Black Barrel in his possession and Taiga had Slash Emperor?

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Factor_VIII posted:

Who would win in a fight between Taiga and Issei, assuming Issei had Black Barrel in his possession and Taiga had Slash Emperor?

Why is Taiga crippling herself by trading the Tora Shinai for a weaker weapon?

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn

Factor_VIII posted:

:words:

Huh. Didn't know that.

quote:

Who would win in a fight between Taiga and Issei, assuming Issei had Black Barrel in his possession and Taiga had Slash Emperor?

Shirou, with the supreme power of his home made lunch.

Killbot
Jun 19, 2003

You know, you kids really ought to stop getting involved with this stuff.

BlitzBlast posted:

Shirou, with the supreme power of his home made lunch.

He just wants everyone to be happy.

KoB
May 1, 2009

Conduit for Sale! posted:

There's several people reading this thread that are playing through FSN right now, and I'm sure there are more that are interested in reading it or will be interested after watching FZ (yes I know it spoils a lot of FSN, but still). So I think it'd only be polite to tag FSN spoilers.

The rules for this thread say otherwise. Its already going to be lovely enough because people will ignore the rules and post spoilers for Zero anyway (just like any other thread) so I'd rather not have to ignore every single black bar when new episodes are released just in case its for stuff we havent seen.

Hexempaler
Sep 13, 2010

I know what you're thinking.
Did he fire sixty-six shots or only sixty-five?
Question is, do I feel lucky?
Well, do ya, punk?
I say keep Fate/Stay Night under spoiler tags (at least for the time being), and label what you're spoiling whenever you use black bars. Especially if you're going to pepper in stuff like Fate/Extra spoilers since that hasn't even been released yet. Ideally Zero spoilers should be avoided entirely.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Nate RFB posted:

This is horrible advice because FSN's routes are designed around being played sequentially.

I'm playing FSN, and upon consulting a (spoiler-free) branch tree it looks like I've fallen into Unlimited Blade Works on my first playthrough. That said, I've seen the anime; am I missing out on crucial information or just better delivery?

Hikarusa
Sep 8, 2011

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

I'm playing FSN, and upon consulting a (spoiler-free) branch tree it looks like I've fallen into Unlimited Blade Works on my first playthrough. That said, I've seen the anime; am I missing out on crucial information or just better delivery?

Don't worry, I believe there'll be an unavoidable death soon enough.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Hikarusa posted:

Don't worry, I believe there'll be an unavoidable death soon enough.

Oh, okay. Honestly that's kind of what I expected, it looked like a stupid choice and I was really just doing it for the Tiger Dojo session. :shobon:

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

I'm playing FSN, and upon consulting a (spoiler-free) branch tree it looks like I've fallen into Unlimited Blade Works on my first playthrough. That said, I've seen the anime; am I missing out on crucial information or just better delivery?
If you are playing a fresh install of FSN on a PC (i.e. you didn't import any saves), it should be impossible to enter any route out of order.

Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Sep 27, 2011

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

Factor_VIII posted:

Using Innate Time Control destroys his body so he can't normally rely on it and he has a limited number of magic bullets which are only useful under specific circumstances. He is a rather mediocre magus and as he can't even turn on his magic circuits properly, considering that he taught Shirou to do it wrong. Kiritsugu is very good at fighting and is an expert at killing other magi, but he's not that powerful.

Who would win in a fight between Taiga and Issei, assuming Issei had Black Barrel in his possession and Taiga had Slash Emperor?

Isn't Taiga supposedly more than a match for Ryougi Shiki? Sufficiently motivated (e.g. by hunger), Issei doesn't stand a chance.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

jonjonaug posted:

Urobuchi's been tweeting about helping with the Fate/Zero adaptation for months now. I'm guessing this just makes it official.

Some clarification on this.

quote:

Gen Urobuchi (Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Phantom - The Animation, Blassreiter) stated on his Twitter account on Sunday that he is not writing the scripts for the upcoming Fate/Zero television anime series. Although Urobuchi wrote the prequel novel to Type-Moon's Fate/stay night visual novel software, he is supervising the script rather than writing for the anime adaptation. Urobuchi noted he approves the final manuscript for every episode of the fantasy series as well as offering input at recording sessions.

ChineseTea
Jul 22, 2011
Hopefully Assassin won't be a boring load of poo poo like he was in FSN. Still, why is it that the Berserker class get the coolest spirit each time and lose in some bullshit way :(

Edit: Yeah True Assassin. I won't diss Sasaki. One of the coolest characters from the original.

ChineseTea fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Sep 27, 2011

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST
Assassin was great, you take that back.

True Assassin was boring and never did anything, though.

Factor_VIII
Feb 2, 2005

Les soldats se trouvent dans la vérité.

Nate RFB posted:

If you are playing a fresh install of FSN on a PC (i.e. you didn't import any saves), it should be impossible to enter any route out of order.
One wrong choice in Fate does land you into the UBW route, though it results in an unavoidable bad end (eventually).

Fangz posted:

Isn't Taiga supposedly more than a match for Ryougi Shiki? Sufficiently motivated (e.g. by hunger), Issei doesn't stand a chance.
Yeah. From what I recall Nasu has said that Ryougi's first personality's skill with a sword is about equal to Taiga's.

Pureauthor posted:

True Assassin was boring and never did anything, though.
He did do plenty of things, just not by himself and wasn't that successful.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Well, True Assassin did kill Lancer, though he had backup from Angra Mainyu.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
I don't much care for Fake Assassin either, as he has basically no character and has exactly one true fight scene.

Conduit for Sale! posted:

There's several people reading this thread that are playing through FSN right now, and I'm sure there are more that are interested in reading it or will be interested after watching FZ (yes I know it spoils a lot of FSN, but still). So I think it'd only be polite to tag FSN spoilers.
Personally, I would recommend that those people go to the Visual Novel thread. Keeping FZ spoilers in check will be hard enough as it is.

Katsudon
Oct 21, 2010

Shut up Adachi.
Both Assassins blow. :colbert:

Zero's Assassin(s) should at least look pretty drat awesome. I always liked the designs.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

"Kojirou" is a nameless farmer who learned how to cheat the space time continuum by slicing really, REALLY fast, no magic necessary, and goes toe to toe with everyone but Gil. He's awesome.

TA is a classic example of a character who is cheaply hyped up by coming in during the 3rd act and taking out all the other characters shown to be tough up to that point. The other two HF exclusive enemies are like that too, but TA is the worst.

Hikarusa
Sep 8, 2011

Rodyle posted:

"Kojirou" is a nameless farmer who learned how to cheat the space time continuum by slicing really, REALLY fast, no magic necessary, and goes toe to toe with everyone but Gil. He's awesome.

TA is a classic example of a character who is cheaply hyped up by coming in during the 3rd act and taking out all the other characters shown to be tough up to that point. The other two HF exclusive enemies are like that too, but TA is the worst.

TA really isn't hyped up at all. Basically the first thing that's said about him is that it's literally impossible for him to kill Lancer without help (as opposed to only practically impossible like most other servants). I mean, I guess the reader MIGHT think that what holds Lancer is part of TA but if I remember correctly I had an idea that that was a separate entity (though I forget why, I should reread fsn (with the realta nua patch)).

Left Ventricle
Feb 24, 2006

Right aorta

BlitzBlast posted:

Shirou, with the supreme power of his home made lunch.
I am the bone of my skillet.
Steel is my wok, and fire is in my eyes.
I have created over a thousand meals.
Unknown to fast food, nor known to instant meals.
Have withstood heat to create many dishes,
waiting for one's proper cook time.
Yet this mouth will never eat anything.
So as I pray, Unlimited Food Works.



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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Rodyle posted:

TA is a classic example of a character who is cheaply hyped up by coming in during the 3rd act and taking out all the other characters shown to be tough up to that point. The other two HF exclusive enemies are like that too, but TA is the worst.
TA is actually shown to be pretty weak. He mostly gets by by being a cunning little bastard.

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BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
IIRC, the only characters TA actually takes down are Saber and Lancer, and that was with the help of a special entity devoted to killing Servants. I guess you could say he took down the fake Assassin too, but that doesn't really count considering that was just TA taking his rightful place.

For the most part, TA's a lot like his Master in that he stays away from all of the fighting, only to get completely owned by someone when he does actually fight. So I'm not seeing how he's supposed to be cheaply hyped.

BlitzBlast fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Sep 28, 2011

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