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If we're comparing 3D fallouts, it's a moot point though because they're all like that.
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Can't wait for the transition to 4d so we can start getting games in an even-numbered dimension again. Odd-numbered dimensions are for chumps.
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Jan 19, 2016 18:14
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I would kill for Fallout 4 with New Vegas' mechanics. I'm not even joking.
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Raygereio posted:The deathclaws overran the quarry just before the game starts. Sure, the NCR has the capability to get rim of the deathclaws if it thinks that's a good investments of its resources. The main problem here is routes to not only trade, but supply your own army. With the deathclaws there, they have to either go through the mountains or go through contested territory. I understand overextension, but supply lines are super important to militaries and trade routes are very important to the people funding the military. At the very least it should have been an NCR quest, but in game they do not give a poo poo that they're crippling themselves.
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Jan 19, 2016 19:15
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It just happened, so the NCR may not know the deathclaws are there yet.
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Man, the NCR hasn't even gotten its poo poo together enough to clear some giant ants out of the way near one of its larger outposts guarding the last supply line leading into the Mojave. The game could have used more people explicitly mentioned just how bad the NCR is at their jobs I guess, but I thought the fact that the NCR hadn't even gotten off its rear end to even see what was happening near Sloan or the NCRCF was kind of the point.
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I could see where New Vegas might not work for people with a congenital inability to notice subtext. Where would the troops to clear the deathclaws come from? The camp in Vegas fighting a campaign against the fiends? The stations having to stay alert lest the Legion pick them off, which happens to one? The base securing contact to the rest of the NCR that's overwhelmed enough they've had to shut down the road and are hunkered down? The dam, which is the front line if anything big goes down? No, it's going to have to rely on outside aid. The world's consistent and provides enough information to see that if you care to look.
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xthetenth posted:I could see where New Vegas might not work for people with a congenital inability to notice subtext.
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Jan 19, 2016 20:41
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They pretty clearly state that they are spread thin pretty much everywhere
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Ahundredbux posted:They pretty clearly state that they are spread thin pretty much everywhere Like "We don't have enough manpower to go kill 4 ants at the crossroads that are halting all caravan activity into the Mohave"
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xthetenth posted:I could see where New Vegas might not work for people with a congenital inability to notice subtext. Where would the troops to clear the deathclaws come from? The camp in Vegas fighting a campaign against the fiends? The stations having to stay alert lest the Legion pick them off, which happens to one? The base securing contact to the rest of the NCR that's overwhelmed enough they've had to shut down the road and are hunkered down? The dam, which is the front line if anything big goes down? No, it's going to have to rely on outside aid. The world's consistent and provides enough information to see that if you care to look. Says the person that didn't notice the explicit statement that they're run thin because of brahmin barons. It's almost like if they were functioning human beings they'd make it important to the barons. Also, they don't even rely on outside aid and do not react to the player helping them out. But yeah, pretend I don't notice subtext instead of admitting that there's some pretty sloppy writing.
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Remember too, that the NCR has (mostly) early 19th century transport and resources and the two minute walk from the Quary to Mojave Outpost is in 'reality' like 50+ miles of incredibly hostile and uninhabited desert wasteland. It's more like the old Wild West and the NCR is the biggest and best organized gang trying to move into the frontier territory with a (comparative) small number of men then something like a modern state.
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chitoryu12 posted:It's hard to say if there's really any true "prologue". The main quest is intentionally designed so that you follow an interesting path, having to circle around the long way to Vegas and having to deal with each town to get a clue that lets you move on. If you consider "the real game" to be when the sandbox totally opens and you have ultimate freedom to choose, it's after you deal with the initial Platinum Chip quest. That said, you're not actually boxed in or required to follow the path; a good player can run straight to Vegas by going north from Goodsprings, as long as they can dodge all the dangers along that route.
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Fintilgin posted:Remember too, that the NCR has (mostly) early 19th century transport and resources and the two minute walk from the Quary to Mojave Outpost is in 'reality' like 50+ miles of incredibly hostile and uninhabited desert wasteland. NCR has cars and tanks.
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Nasgate posted:Says the person that didn't notice the explicit statement that they're run thin because of brahmin barons. It's almost like if they were functioning human beings they'd make it important to the barons. The brahmin barons have a lot of influence with the NCR's government due to their wealth. But the mess the NCR is in, is a bit more complex then "brahmin barons be evil yo". Also you seem to be hell bent on ignoring that the whole Quarry Junction mess only started just before the game itself starts. Okay, let's say that convincing some random rich brahmin baron over in Shady Sands will somehow help the situation. That's roughly 300 kilometers away. Do you think being rich gives the brahmin barons magic powers they can use to instantly wish the Deathclaws away? Nasgate posted:Also, they don't even rely on outside aid and do not react to the player helping them out. But yeah, pretend I don't notice subtext instead of admitting that there's some pretty sloppy writing. And the gameworld in general not being more reactive to the player's action is not a writing problem. It's one of development resources. Raygereio fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Jan 19, 2016 |
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Nasgate posted:^ah yes, the old I'm not going to pay attention to actual criticism due to my fanaticism routine. Yes, a broken npc is more memorable than a boring npc, in a good way no, but still more memorable, which was the criteria. Welcome to reading class in 3rd grade. quote:a congenital inability to notice subtext
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packetmantis posted:NCR has cars and tanks.
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*collapses to knees* drat it's true... A really bad thing can be very memorable, technically, in a bad way... the technically correct poster has done it again...
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Yorkshire Tea posted:I would kill for Fallout 4 with New Vegas' mechanics. I'm not even joking.
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New Vegas is far from perfect, but it's Very Good and its heart is in the right place, which counts for a huge amount with me. At least, unlike Fallout 4, it understands that RPGs can be about more then just killing and loot, and it doesn't have an active seething contempt for the players intelligence. 
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achillesforever6 posted:Except keep the companion wheel, the dialogue system, and no voiced protagonist. also hardcore mode, also better/deeper character building please. None of this only perk nonsense. sadly after playing fallout in the new engine it is hard to play the older 3d games visually. The Fallout 4 engine is just so sexy. Gyshall fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Jan 19, 2016 |
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I'd love to see some industrious modder put NV in Fallout 4's engine in the same vein as Tale of Two Wastelands. It would probably take a lot more work considering it's running Not-Gamebryo-but-kind-of-is-Gamebryo Creation Engine, but perhaps it's possible!
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FlyingCheese posted:I'd love to see some industrious modder put NV in Fallout 4's engine in the same vein as Tale of Two Wastelands. It would probably take a lot more work considering it's running Not-Gamebryo-but-kind-of-is-Gamebryo Creation Engine, but perhaps it's possible! If memory serves, there are people porting (maybe recreating) Oblivion and even Morrowind to Skyrim, so it's not impossible.
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It's theoretically possible sure, but you'd essentially have to recreate FNV from near scratch to do it, since I doubt you could reuse most of the existing assets without extensively modifying them. Look at how long it's taken the TTW people to get where they are, and there are a lot more similarities between FO3 and FNV then either share with 4.
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Anyone happen to have any spare Fallout 1, 2 and or Tactics keys they weren't using?
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So this is happening, apparently. God only knows how well it will run.
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I have been playing NV lately--I'm playing as an energy weapons nerd, and I've noticed that the Van Graff inventory never really changes--I read that there is a bug where the inventory won't refresh unless the character is in the same cell at the specific time/day inventories refresh... no problem, but my question is--when does that happen, exactly? I would just steal everything in the store and move on, but for roleplaying reasons, I'm trying not to steal in this play through.
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Nasgate posted:The plot and its options are teenage DM style and quality, which is better than 4 yes, but it's by no means something to strive for or good quality on its own merits. Lol, FONV was the fallout game we desired when Fallout 3 was release. The sad thing is that FONV is still the best Fallout game after Fallout 4 was released.
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tonytheshoes posted:I have been playing NV lately--I'm playing as an energy weapons nerd, and I've noticed that the Van Graff inventory never really changes--I read that there is a bug where the inventory won't refresh unless the character is in the same cell at the specific time/day inventories refresh
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Oh, awesome, thanks!
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Tenzarin posted:Lol, FONV was the fallout game we desired when Fallout 3 was release. Can someone please point me to a game where the world all 'fits together' in one massive, cohesive ball of flawlessness? I would like to thoroughly explore the deep and rich lore of that game.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Can someone please point me to a game where the world all 'fits together' in one massive, cohesive ball of flawlessness? I would like to thoroughly explore the deep and rich lore of that game. There's never been a point where "Nothing is flawless!" has been a valid response to pointing out that Bethesda's Fallout worlds are lovely theme park attractions where nothing makes sense.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Can someone please point me to a game where the world all 'fits together' in one massive, cohesive ball of flawlessness? I would like to thoroughly explore the deep and rich lore of that game.  You are a Crusader, and you have No Remorse! Also this, a stern warning about drinking!  
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chitoryu12 posted:There's never been a point where "Nothing is flawless!" has been a valid response to pointing out that Bethesda's Fallout worlds are lovely theme park attractions where nothing makes sense. Actually, poo poo, you're right. I kinda walked into that. On the other hand, I actually do want to know about these awesome lore games
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Tenzarin posted:
Get this now from GOG! The game is incredible. And yes to highlight how they knew the player would be a bastard thru the game. The first screen of the first level allows you to burn someone to death with some industrial fire.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Actually, poo poo, you're right. I kinda walked into that. On the other hand, I actually do want to know about these awesome lore games Witcher 3 is p. good.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Can someone please point me to a game where the world all 'fits together' in one massive, cohesive ball of flawlessness? I would like to thoroughly explore the deep and rich lore of that game. Dark Souls?
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Fintilgin posted:At least, unlike Fallout 4, it understands that RPGs can be about more then just killing and loot, and it doesn't have an active seething contempt for the players intelligence. The frightening reality is that Fallout 4 is an earnest attempt at emotionally connecting with their audience. Bethesda wasted enormous time and resources while critically misunderstanding the appeal of their own games. Although, your "seething contempt" suggestion may have merit. Why else would Bethesda be so intent on making the Brotherhood of Steel into knockoff Space Marines?
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Rex Deckard posted:Get this now from GOG! The game is incredible. And yes to highlight how they knew the player would be a bastard thru the game. The first screen of the first level allows you to burn someone to death with some industrial fire. Really enjoyed it when I played it and the sequel(Crusader: No Regret) when I was younger. I rented it on the PS1 but it didn't quite feel the same. After you got a hang of the controls the game became amazing. It had killer music too. Miss the actor movies in games now. Also the memories of the gravis gamepad, lol 
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So just this morning I found out about this outfit called Fallout: The Frontier, who are doing this giant mod for NV depicting a NCR/Legion conflict over the icy ruins of Portland, Oregon. They released a trailer recently and...holy poo poo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nenXX9wQRY
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