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xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

CJacobs posted:

I kill Caesar by crit-knifing him when he's caught unawares. Points for historical accuracy I guess.

I did that but it wasn't historically accurate at all. Caesar's legion has issues with drugs and women, so I rolled into his tent in Vera's dress on every chem I could find, blew away his bodyguard with Medicine Stick, threw a spear at his head for one achievement and finished him off with the knife.

I then propped his head in his throne and put a frag mine under his body.

My most recent character was really really bitter about the whole Legion slavery thing. Also she might've been a bit of an angry drunk after playing Dead Money my first time at level 10 on jsawyer hardcore dragging a holorifle and automatic rifle that my character didn't have the stats/skills for through Dead Money. Buying Medicine Stick with the proceeds and taking on the Legion with it was pretty awesome though.

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xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Talmonis posted:

The other concern I have is the economy. Is it feasable to make money without being able to carry any real amount of gear?

Yeah, I handily had the money to get into vegas when I got there, and at like level 13 or so I'd finished dead money and bought myself medicine stick. Using the courier boxes or whatever to stay running light is a huge help too. One or two weapons, armor and some aid leaves enough room for loot.

I think it's 100 carry at 5 str with 10 points per strength in base hardcore jsawyer. I remember running through Dead Money drunk to get up to 110 so I could carry the automatic rifle, holorifle and a gun I could actually use.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

I usually go into Gommorah, keep my guns and kill everyone who fires back at me. I like to think that it'd be a bit different if the prostitutes ran the show.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

KittyEmpress posted:

Actually, republics are inherently flawed, here's why house would make a libertarian utopia:

House is the sort of person who'd be a hero in a libertarian fapfic except for the minor flaw of not actually being libertarian at all.

xthetenth fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Jul 16, 2014

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Raygereio posted:

He does however have bit a "hero of industry" vibe going on and so anyone thinking the House-path is the best ending, is often dismissed as a libertarian worshipping the hero of industry.

I tend to see him as a gambling path. He promises a big payout, and as a less insane source of access to considerable pre-war knowledge he does have something to offer, but the question is whether the more destructive aspect of his totalitarianism can be reined in. Fitting for the head of New Vegas.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Feats of Strength posted:

RIP Caesar, He was the peoples princess x

I went in with my last character wearing Vera's dress on every single drug I had. I figured it'd be a challenge and a fun screw you to the guy.

Then I put a frag mine under his body for actual revenge.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.



(Yes, I got both relevant challenges)

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

SpaceDrake posted:

Okay, gotta ask where that hair mod comes from, as I've been looking for a good simple no-bullshit ponytail for ages.

Pretty sure it's this one. No idea how it plays with other mods that add hair, I'm probably lucky all I wanted was that one hairstyle.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

I kind of want a joke mod to somehow allow you to give the Sierra Madre gold to the NCR to restore the gold standard like some sort of wasteland Ron Paul.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Nika posted:

That's a screw up by the developer; if anybody on the team had read The Prince or been at least somewhat familiar with political power, they would've known that after you helped House achieve his aims, he certainly would have either destroyed you or, at best, exiled you.

Think about it: Anyone who helps you climb to the top becomes a liability once you're there. If you needed them to help lift you up, you're vulnerable to them being able to take you down. History's strongest/most influential leaders know this (as Machiavelli first detailed) and you rarely see these kinds of continued alliances in the real world.

Or maybe House doesn't make that decision out of rationality, but out of trust. Or maybe he feels you're worth more than you are a risk.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

chitoryu12 posted:

Not sure if serious rebuttal or not...

If you don't want the whole place to collapse like a house of cards, you need to solve every problem. You're a cog in the sense of the cog on the drive shaft. If you're removed everything falls apart so you have to be there to make everything happen.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

JawKnee posted:

what if I don't want everything good to happen?

Then you're still needed to make sure things go badly the way you want, probably.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Crazy Joe Wilson posted:

Except to avoid capture they're taught to slit their own throats in order to avoid talking. The average life of a Legionnaire is pretty short and brutal, and they're raised from birth to fight for the Legion. That's not a draftee, that's a slave. Plenty of slave societies have allowed slaves to rise up to high military ranks (Ottomans, Mamaluks). Still doesn't change the fact that they are slaves, and as Caesar's dialog about his Praetorian Captain would suggest, Caesar sees his soldiers as only means to and end.

Wasn't a lot of the use of slavery in those groups not really slave soldiers as much as a way of getting them to become considered part of their patron's household, and they were actually pretty privileged? Their utility and perceived reliability was more because they were outsiders placed in a position where they had status they would have no other way of attaining without dramatic social change. Caesar's legion is far more brutal than that, and were it not portrayed as competently run I'd be thinking of the Russian army or the US army of the ~1830-1840s. Maybe stepping up the Prussian military at its worst a step or two would be the most accurate.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Crazy Joe Wilson posted:

Well sure, the Janissary and Mamaluks that survived had privileges, for the ones that died in battle I'm sure being kidnapped away from your family at a young age, being forcibly converted to a foreign religion, and being trained to be a soldier for your whole life, as well as not allowing your children, if you do have any, inherit any of your stuff (The Janissary fought this particular restriction, and once they won inheritance rights that's when their whole martial superiority started going to the shitter) was... okay? I really don't get this whole "privileges" argument. You're still a slave. It'd be like someone trying to argue that in chattel slavery in the United States some owners gave their slaves plenty of privileges, like good food, extra clothes, let them work in the house, and might have even paid them for their labor. Therefore it was better.

At the end of the day you're still a slave. If the evil is slavery itself you don't mitigate away that evil with privileges.

Part of the point is that they weren't slaves once they were trained, and in fact were part of a socioeconomic elite to a degree that free Egyptians arranged to be sold so they could become Mamluks. That doesn't sound like the Legion's policy of decimation at the drop of a hat and serving soldiers still being slaves. Literally nothing in those two situations is analogous other than the soldiers being slaves while they were trained and being sworn to be loyal to their patron.

The legion is significantly worse than that in almost every detail.

xthetenth fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Aug 9, 2014

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

The Fat Swordsman posted:

Unless you just up and shot him yourself in the theater. In which case, you're some kinda psychotic bastard that kills people without a trial just because you perceive them to be "evil." You horrible murderer you.

I got a willing confession. :colbert:

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

The Chairmen aren't that bad, and the Omertas... Well let's just say I have a tendency to return fire when I go in there. I'm not very fond of rape camps.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

StashAugustine posted:

I like that the good ending to the Omertas questline involves murdering the entire casino except for the prostitutes.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

2house2fly posted:

Well, the agency is compromised. Actually I wish they'd made more of the "who betrayed you" angle, because I really love the reveal that everyone betrayed you and Alpha Protocol is just rotten to the core.

Where'd that one happen? Not sure if I've seen it.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Suppressive fire would cause a monetary crisis.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Theta Zero posted:

As much as I like Dead Money, there's a lot of things that are downright senseless. You're right when you say the Villa is confusing, and the fact that occasionally the waypoint goofs up doesn't help when everything looks the same. Sierra Madre is okay, though, up until when you're in the basement. The basement just has a lot of leaps of faith--not literal leaps mind you, but a lot of areas where you need to go in assuming that speaker fiddling with your collar is within eyeshot and even breakable to begin with. The final area with the three hologram guards is just the worst.

Oh, speaking of which, my friend who in the past hated New Vegas is now playing it and enjoying it. He bought the DLC recently and asked which would be the easiest to start out with. At a certain point, a lot of the DLCs kind of homogenize in terms of difficulty to me, but I told him Honest Hearts was the easiest, but he's waiting until he's level 20 like the little tooltips ask. What do you think is the easiest DLC?

Doesn't HH grow cazadores at ~20?

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Pope Guilty posted:

Honestly as long as you see them coming and don't panic, cazadores are overstated as a threat. Aim for the wings if you can, but really the biggest thing is their total lack of armor. Anything with a high ROF loaded with hollowpoints will shred them like wet toilet paper. The Silenced .22 SMG loaded with .22 hollowpoints can wipe out most of the swarms you'll come across without reloading if you've got the extended mag.

It's also full of antivenom if I remember right, but they're still a potentially nasty threat.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Fallout 3 is a game where you have to lie to your dad in order to not expose that the plot makes him out to be unthinking and unconcerned with your well-being by the ramifications of his actions.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Byzantine posted:

New Vegas is really one of the very few games to have a good Moral Choice setup.

I mean, even if you honestly believe in the Republic, you still have to do or ignore some really scummy things to bring them to power, like assassinating the leader of an allied state so his country can be annexed.

This is pretty big. Deciding you're going to play a good character in most games is a single choice that can be made blind and then it's just pattern recognition. Each compromise is a choice however, and each is based on different information. When you have access to the endings and are still debating what to do to best achieve your goals without anything seeming hamfisted or like a self contained Big Moral Dilemma set-piece, that's awesome.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Sleeveless posted:

unwillingness to rely on anybody outside of his robots

Yes, the courier should be very familiar with House's unwillingness to rely on non-robots.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

That and when I sided with House, I was running on the idea that my courier was going to get in close with House and make sure the stuff he was too far up in the tower to notice got handled in a non-awful way.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Sheen Sheen posted:

These two points suggest that House is a pretty bad leader--has no idea what's going on under his own nose and constantly picks bad lieutenants.

House was picking from tribals. Not a great pool of people to pick from.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Sheen Sheen posted:

You yourself said on the last page that House relies on the Courier to do the same exact thing--how is that any better?

One person talking with someone who demonstrated a good relationship with them vs. one person fighting a bureaucracy complete with serious moneyed interests.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

They're a contribution to the resumption of the NCR gold standard. Duh. Same as the Aurei I pick off legion members.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

I think playing blackjack optimally is profitable even at five luck overall but I'm not sure.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Malpais Legate posted:

Not quite. At five luck, the casino still actively cheats against you. The House has the advantage, etc. It's at 7 when the odds become even, and from there on out the game will cheat in your favor.

There's no reason why you can't just get legitimately lucky at 5, but it's definitely slanted against you.

Fair enough, I'm half assuming savescumming tbh.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Excelzior posted:

And yet he's programmed his bombastic obituary to be played throughout New Vegas in the event of his passing, decrying the tragic loss of an ubermensch. Clearly the hallmark of a humble autocrat.

I never got the sense that House was libertarian from altruism; rather, he's somewhat of a Dr Manhattan figure. He's become so advanced and alien that he views flesh-and-blood humans as tools and not brethren. Clearly you wouldn't want your hammer to spend its time praising your name rather than driving in the nails..

It's cool, I view him as a resource for my courier to use. There's a lot of knowledge in there.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

Caravan is dumb and I feel bad for the guy that probably spent a lot of time coming up with it.

It's actually pretty fun to play once you get the hang of it.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Gyshall posted:

Caravan should have been the Card game from FF8

or is it?

I don't know I've never played caravan

Triple triad is kind of cool, but the later versions with all the rules is a royal incredible pain. It does have a smoother difficulty ramp than Caravan.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

If a game doesn't have NP-complete inventory tetris it just isn't worth playing.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

I don't like the level scaling because it keeps going as if you were still gaining combat ability at a constant rate after you get your skill to 100, which messes with the power curve. It's real easy to get ahead then fall behind on it, which contributes to schizoid enemy power. I'd rather a steeper ramp that stops before you taper off.

xthetenth fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Mar 12, 2015

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Starhawk64 posted:

The new Fallout is gonna be hella streamlined isn't it? It happened to Skyrim.

I mean, one reason why I keep coming back to New Vegas is because character building actually has some depth and complexity to it.

On the other hand fallout character creation wasn't nearly as god awful as Oblivion's, which was built out of non-essential complexity and incentives to degenerate gameplay.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

I just want to play Imperator Furiosa.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Ahundredbux posted:

Amusingly enough they don't really have a super firm grasp of the elderscrolls series either

See: Oblivion. Look up some of the pre-Oblivion lore on, for example, Green Emperor Way and the Imperial City. It's awesome Kirkbride on way too much acid stuff.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Isn't that the one where he took his screenshot to show how barren of interesting landmarks it was by going to where you could see Helios One and turning to face right the gently caress away from it?

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xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

maev posted:

Is JESawyer's mod genuinely fun? I mean, places like OWB and even Dead Money just seem like they're going to be loving torrid. Also being able to carry no more than 3 teaspoons.

It was fun. It was very challenging but winning felt awesome. You want to win, don't you?

Also don't lug around an automatic rifle and holorifle that you can't use because you don't have the strength and energy weapons skill for them and you'll be fine.

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