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Eponymous
Feb 4, 2008

Maybe I just want to be happy, huh?! Maybe I want my life to not be a trainwreck for five GOD DAMN minutes?!

bbcisdabomb posted:

I haven't been able to see - does this have campaign coop or just mission coop?

I regret to inform you that the co-op in this game consists of a series of missions, separate from the main game. Apparently they're framed as legendary exploits of wasteland dwellers some NPCs will tell you about.

Also, the extra sewers area isn't pre-order exclusive, just a code they include with new games to discourage used sales.

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ymgve
Jan 2, 2004




Fooz posted:

I can only find info about the 4 extra items in the anarchy edition. Darnit i should probably preorder this but i'm so lazy.

Anarchy edition is only the four items. The extra levels is always included as long as you buy the game non-used.

Finger Sandwiches
Jul 12, 2000

Perfect for getting that last bit of food from across the table.

Eponymous posted:

Also, the extra sewers area isn't pre-order exclusive, just a code they include with new games to discourage used sales.

I was under the impression that the sewers were more of an additional over(under?)world that you could use as alternate travel route. They said most people who have it will probably never use it.

Wikipedia Brown
Aug 4, 2004

Star Trek:
The Motion Picture


Jet-Poop posted:

I was under the impression that the sewers were more of an additional over(under?)world that you could use as alternate travel route. They said most people who have it will probably never use it.

They're places full of mutants and stuff to pilfer.

(According to a video with Tim Willits or someone which I'm almost certain I remember watching.)

JGBeagle
Mar 7, 2010



Is this game still going to be on three discs on the 360 like they said it was years ago? If so, I'll just wait for Borderlands 2.

bbcisdabomb
Jan 14, 2008

SHEESH


Eponymous posted:

I regret to inform you that the co-op in this game consists of a series of missions, separate from the main game. Apparently they're framed as legendary exploits of wasteland dwellers some NPCs will tell you about.

Well drat. Hopefully someone will mod the SP to be coop, then. Thanks!

Al!
Apr 2, 2010



Eponymous posted:

Also, the extra sewers area isn't pre-order exclusive, just a code they include with new games to discourage used sales.

It's pretty funny that they're offering a loving sewer level as an incentive.

Finger Sandwiches
Jul 12, 2000

Perfect for getting that last bit of food from across the table.

JGBeagle posted:

Is this game still going to be on three discs on the 360 like they said it was years ago? If so, I'll just wait for Borderlands 2.

Get busy waiting then.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.



JGBeagle posted:

Is this game still going to be on three discs on the 360 like they said it was years ago? If so, I'll just wait for Borderlands 2.

It's still three disks on 360, however disk three is just the multiplayer game. Fortunately the way the game is structured, supposedly once you begin disk two you never have to go back to any of the disk one content (though there's nothing really stopping you).

BetterWeirdthanDead
Mar 7, 2006

Ask me why I really
went to see Terminator


Neo Rasa posted:

It's still three disks on 360, however disk three is just the multiplayer game. Fortunately the way the game is structured, supposedly once you begin disk two you never have to go back to any of the disk one content (though there's nothing really stopping you).

They've also said you'll be all right with installing only one disk at a time and skipping the multi-player disc if you're worried about cramming 22GB on your HDD to play Rage.

Raskolnikov
Nov 25, 2003

They’re from a place of Light…

BetterWeirdthanDead posted:

...cramming 22GB on your HDD...
Consoles are funny. Can't you just upgrade that HD or does the Microsoft police shut down your console?

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

Soon, we will be unstoppable!


I believe it locks out unauthorized HDDs (read: just buying a 2.5" SATA on NewEgg and stuffing it into the enclosure), but you can buy their hilariously overpriced authorized drives.

ZackHoagie
Dec 25, 2007

now eat him.

You can upgrade a PS3 drive willy nilly, but if you want a Xbox drive bigger then 250 gigs you're gonna pay upwards of 150 bucks for their proprietary drives.

CitrusFrog
May 20, 2001


Have they improved the shotgun at all? The videos I saw all made it look like it was firing beanbags, there was absolutely no visible response to giving someone a faceful of buckshot at close range, which is one of the things that somewhat soured me on the game.

Rookersh
Aug 19, 2010

Midgets be packing some Space-Age shit!



JGBeagle posted:

Is this game still going to be on three discs on the 360 like they said it was years ago? If so, I'll just wait for Borderlands 2.

Its 3 discs, but 22gigs for the install. They've said however that one disc will be multiplayer only, and judging by the fact the PC version is only 18 gigs or so, you can probably just install the first two discs, and leave the third disc by itself.

Mercury Crusader
Apr 20, 2005

「ダブル超電磁ロボの必殺技,
見せてやるぜ!」


Back in my day, we didn't need a hard drive in our consoles to play our games.

Also, we played id games on our computer machines.

And we liked it that way!



Rage isn't going to be a "console port" is it?

Fag Boy Jim
Oct 7, 2007

unban longavs


Al! posted:

It's pretty funny that they're offering a loving sewer level as an incentive.

It'd be brilliant if they did that the other way. Buy used? Sewer levels, followed by an exclusive warehouse level.

CitrusFrog
May 20, 2001


Mercury Crusader posted:

Back in my day, we didn't need a hard drive in our consoles to play our games.

Also, we played id games on our computer machines.

And we liked it that way!



Rage isn't going to be a "console port" is it?

Given an early behind the scenes video I saw where Tom Willits said that he'd smack people's hands for playing with mouse and keyboard during development, I'm thinking yes.

ZackHoagie
Dec 25, 2007

now eat him.

Mercury Crusader posted:

Rage isn't going to be a "console port" is it?

Port from consoles or to consoles? Because there's no way that iD of all people is going to release a gimped PC product.

CitrusFrog
May 20, 2001


ZackHoagie posted:

Port from consoles or to consoles? Because there's no way that iD of all people is going to release a gimped PC product.

gimped, no; streamlined and designed primarily for consoles, yes.

ZackHoagie
Dec 25, 2007

now eat him.

Why is "streamlined" a bad word?

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

Soon, we will be unstoppable!


CitrusFrog posted:

Have they improved the shotgun at all? The videos I saw all made it look like it was firing beanbags, there was absolutely no visible response to giving someone a faceful of buckshot at close range, which is one of the things that somewhat soured me on the game.
If I ever mod this I'll make sure it changes to the Quake 2 feedback: Sounding like an artillery cannon and turning enemies into catfood if they're closer than 2 meters.

Rukus
Mar 13, 2007

Hmph.


OneEightHundred posted:

I believe it locks out unauthorized HDDs (read: just buying a 2.5" SATA on NewEgg and stuffing it into the enclosure), but you can buy their hilariously overpriced authorized drives.

You can flash certain Western Digital Blue drives and they'll work just fine. $50 for a 250GB notebook drive is a lot better than paying the additional $100 Microsoft tax.

Also, did anyone else notice on the TV Spot trailer how the player never shot anyone? He shoots the robots just fine, but misses the humans/mutants.

CitrusFrog
May 20, 2001


ZackHoagie posted:

Why is "streamlined" a bad word?


I was being euphemistic. Streamlining in and of itself isn't a bad thing necessarily, but placing primary focus on console controls rather than making sure all control systems play just as well reeks of pandering.


OneEightHundred posted:

If I ever mod this I'll make sure it changes to the Quake 2 feedback: Sounding like an artillery cannon and turning enemies into catfood if they're closer than 2 meters.

That's exactly what the shotgun should do and if you do ever mod it, you've got a guaranteed download right here. Underwhelming shotgun feedback has turned me off using them in most games, they just don't feel right, and as someone who owns a shotgun, I'm well aware of the mess even a 20 gauge can make.

ZackHoagie
Dec 25, 2007

now eat him.

Rukus posted:

Also, did anyone else notice on the TV Spot trailer how the player never shot anyone? He shoots the robots just fine, but misses the humans/mutants.

Cause the game is pretty gory and that's a good way of getting a call from the FCC.

CitrusFrog
May 20, 2001


ZackHoagie posted:

Cause the game is pretty gory and that's a good way of getting a call from the FCC.

That's what M ratings are for.

Someguy
Jul 15, 2001


I don't know why people still can't understand this but: pretty much all games are made for consoles these days, even when the developers claim to put more effort into the PC release it's mainly to placate the ire of the small but vocal PC supremacy whine brigade (see BF3)

ZackHoagie
Dec 25, 2007

now eat him.

CitrusFrog posted:

That's what M ratings are for.

He's talking about a commercial.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

Soon, we will be unstoppable!


At least they're showing gameplay and not just cutscenes, prerenders, or a freeze-framed scene made out of action figures.

CitrusFrog
May 20, 2001


ZackHoagie posted:

He's talking about a commercial.

My mistake, I fully admit PWD (posting while distracted).

Footboy
Feb 3, 2003



CitrusFrog posted:

Streamlining in and of itself isn't a bad thing necessarily, but placing primary focus on console controls rather than making sure all control systems play just as well reeks of pandering.

Developers focus on making a game fun; fans outraged.

Finger
Sep 9, 2001

E N O U G H !


CitrusFrog posted:

I was being euphemistic. Streamlining in and of itself isn't a bad thing necessarily, but placing primary focus on console controls rather than making sure all control systems play just as well reeks of pandering.
I've played the PC version. poo poo controls just fine. id fans should be pretty happy, although the game does give you a lot of other stuff to do, including a few non-shooty things that, once in a while you MUST do. It plays like Borderlands but without the levelups and XP and copious loot - instead you grab junk to build ammo, gadgets, and the like, and you work through a progression of guns like a conventional FPS.

Finger fucked around with this message at Sep 28, 2011 around 22:02

CitrusFrog
May 20, 2001


Footboy posted:

Developers focus on making a game fun; fans outraged.

Neglecting a system's control scheme and leading to potential problems (see below) is diametrically counter to the fun component. You can't have fun if you can't control things adequately. Not quite the nerdrage you make it out to be.

Finger posted:

I've played the PC version. poo poo controls just fine.

I'm glad to hear that. I should have had a little more faith in id. I suppose Red Faction: Guerilla and Mercenaries 2 (both had loving awful turret controls on PC because they were programmed for stick input) made me somewhat skeptical especially after having seen that video. This increases my anticipation of the game.

Monster w21 Faces
May 11, 2006

"What the fuck is that?"
"What the fuck is this?!"


Someguy posted:

I don't know why people still can't understand this but: pretty much all games are made for consoles these days, even when the developers claim to put more effort into the PC release it's mainly to placate the ire of the small but vocal PC supremacy whine brigade (see BF3)

BFBC2 sold more on the pc than 360 and ps3.

VarXX
Oct 31, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 13 days!


Yeah, Battlefield is a rare example of a game that makes less on Consoles than PC, that's the reason for the focus toward PC in BF3.

Someguy
Jul 15, 2001


Not trying to be a douche, but is there any linkable figures around for that stuff? I can't remember the last time a multi-platform game sold more on PC.

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003


OneEightHundred posted:

I believe it locks out unauthorized HDDs (read: just buying a 2.5" SATA on NewEgg and stuffing it into the enclosure), but you can buy their hilariously overpriced authorized drives.

There is a program out there that lets you sign normal drives to use with a 360 since the only thing that makes 360 drives authorized is a small bit of data in sectors 16-22.

Wikipedia Brown
Aug 4, 2004

Star Trek:
The Motion Picture


CitrusFrog posted:

Given an early behind the scenes video I saw where Tom Willits said that he'd smack people's hands for playing with mouse and keyboard during development, I'm thinking yes.

The implication of the hand-slapping anecdote is that the id people are huge PC-heads who left to their own devices would just naturally stick with mouse and keyboard, so he has to be conscious of that to make sure the console controls won't be given short shrift.

I wouldn't worry.

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Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010

Down with the Illuminati Scum
www.thesecretworld.com


Raskolnikov posted:

Consoles are funny. Can't you just upgrade that HD or does the Microsoft police shut down your console?

As others have said you gotta buy microsoft ones. Or a very particular one, get an enclosure and load some poo poo into it. Dont know if they have issues though.

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Wazzit
Jul 16, 2004

Who wants to play video games?


Someguy posted:

Not trying to be a douche, but is there any linkable figures around for that stuff? I can't remember the last time a multi-platform game sold more on PC.

I think the last game that comes to mind is Portal 2. (Or any Valve game for that matter.)

Neo Rasa posted:

It's still three disks on 360, however disk three is just the multiplayer game. Fortunately the way the game is structured, supposedly once you begin disk two you never have to go back to any of the disk one content (though there's nothing really stopping you).

A third disc JUST for multiplayer?! Holy hell. That has me wondering exactly how big, or how many co-op missions are included in the game to justify a disc on it's own. Or maybe the 6 player combat rally mode is bigger than we think it is?

I don't know how it works, but I would assume a lot of the multiplayer stuff would just share the assets from the single player discs. Seems a bit odd to me. But then again, this could just be the same thing as the old id games having a separate .exe launcher for Multiplayer.

Wazzit fucked around with this message at Sep 28, 2011 around 23:37

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