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GrickleGrass
Dec 18, 2011

I speak for the trees.


There's a few decent weapons available to you right now that you can try out to see if you like any of them, and upgrading them each to +5 really won't take long at all if you're grinding the gargoyles for humanity. Spend the extra souls you have on shards instead of levels, as having upgraded equipment is more important than having a high SL.

Next to the shortcut through that big gate where the boar was (in front of the front entrance to the church) is a halberd. I believe it requires 16 STR and is essentially a heavy-hitting spear with more powerful attacks. Alternatively, Andre the blacksmith sells a bastard sword which also requires 16 STR and is similar to the Claymore you can get back underneath the red drake on the bridge.

Those are more STR-oriented weapons. If you want a good DEX weapon, you could either painstakingly grind the Balder knights hoping a Balder side sword drops. The damage on it doesn't look incredible, but it scales incredibly well with DEX and has a great reach and move-set. It would help if you have 10 banked humanity to increase your item find to 210. Also, if you've bought everything you need from the undead male merchant, you could kill him (he's back in the burg across from the bonfire with the ladder shortcut) for his Uchigatana. It requires 14 STR and 14 DEX to wield one-handed, but has good reach and a great move-set, scales well with DEX and causes bleed.

You could get the Drake sword underneath the bridge, also, but I'd advise against this as though it will be a great immediate upgrade, it isn't something that will be useful much further than blighttown and you may even feel its effectiveness dropping off before then. Some people happily take it all the way to Sen's fortress until they get the lightning spear, though, but by then I much prefer to have a weapon with good scaling that is upgraded to +9/10.

So there's plenty of options available to you right now to try out a few different types of weapons that, if upgraded, should last you quite a while. So play around and have fun trying out a few different things to discover for yourself what you like.

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doomfunk
Feb 29, 2008

oh come on was that really necessary
all over my fine carpet!!


Honestly, I don't think I'll ever use the Drake Sword again. It's got great damage for a starting sword but its moveset is really sluggish and awkward. I'd rather just take the extra step and +5 a claymore.

mr sad
Jun 2, 2000

I'll put this coal to use!

Please offer me tips on how to kill the two black knight snipers in Anor Londo.

EC
Jul 10, 2001

The Legend


Mastiff posted:

Please offer me tips on how to kill the two black knight snipers in Anor Londo.

Snipe back at the one on the right with poison arrows.

Charge through as fast as you can (switch to light armor) and run up to the the one on the right. He'll switch to a sword and you just need to block carefully. He'll eventually fall off the ledge.

You can sneak up there with Hidden Body or the Fog Ring, but you'll still have to fight them.

a foolish pianist
May 6, 2007
deadlift minimalist

Mastiff posted:

Please offer me tips on how to kill the two black knight snipers in Anor Londo.

If you just run fast up the buttress, they probably won't hit you. When you get to the ledge, run quickly up to the one on the right, then keep your shield up. Take a hit or two on the shield, and if he hasn't fallen off already, give him a kick to help him on his way.

Also, if you're careful with roll timing, you can roll right under their arrows.

MoonwalkInvincible
Nov 30, 2011



Mastiff posted:

Please offer me tips on how to kill the two black knight snipers in Anor Londo.
Poison Arrows.

It only takes two arrows to poison a dragonbow sniper, and if you manage t hit them in the head, they'll become staggered too long to fire back at you before you can land the second arrow. The poison should take off all of their health, and all you need to do is run back to some safe space with cover and wait.

Equip the Ring of Fog and you should be able to get well within range of them before they spot you.

FishBulb
Mar 29, 2003

Awesome power!


What's the deal with the crow you can trade with, I never seem to get anything. Drop in nest, save quit reload. Items gone. Is it broken now or something?

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.


four kings on ngp. What a loving pain. Even great combustion with +5 super pyro hand just takes a tiny sliver away.

40 dex, 26 vit/end, 18 magic. using a +14 great scythe, which doesn't seem to be 'cutting it' as it were. Should I enchant it? are they susceptible to magic?

I looked on the wiki and all it really said was to use great magic barrier, which I need 6 more magic/int to cast. Should I pump that stat, then? If I do then I can also use crystal magic weapon, currently I can cast great magic weapon.

doomfunk
Feb 29, 2008

oh come on was that really necessary
all over my fine carpet!!


FishBulb posted:

What's the deal with the crow you can trade with, I never seem to get anything. Drop in nest, save quit reload. Items gone. Is it broken now or something?

She'll tell you if it's something she doesn't want, and you can only trade an item with her once. Quitting and reloading is the way to ensure that her granted item shows up properly, though, so as long as she does her "something warm, something soft" spiel, you drop something, and she says nothing you should get something as long as you've not dropped that item before.

Mosses are good test items to be sure she's working as expected.

RembrandtQEinstein
Jul 1, 2009


EC posted:

Snipe back at the one on the right with poison arrows.

Charge through as fast as you can (switch to light armor) and run up to the the one on the right. He'll switch to a sword and you just need to block carefully. He'll eventually fall off the ledge.

You can sneak up there with Hidden Body or the Fog Ring, but you'll still have to fight them.

Alternatively, if you can do enough damage just get next to the one on the right (the one on the left can't hit you anymore) and just kill it. It should be switching to the sword so you'll have 1-2 free shots. If it doesn't, then just roll forward to dodge the arrow and then kill it.

In NG+ just shoot them off the ledge with your own DSGB.

doomfunk
Feb 29, 2008

oh come on was that really necessary
all over my fine carpet!!


redreader posted:

four kings on ngp. What a loving pain. Even great combustion with +5 super pyro hand just takes a tiny sliver away.

40 dex, 26 vit/end, 18 magic. using a +14 great scythe, which doesn't seem to be 'cutting it' as it were. Should I enchant it? are they susceptible to magic?

I looked on the wiki and all it really said was to use great magic barrier, which I need 6 more magic/int to cast. Should I pump that stat, then? If I do then I can also use crystal magic weapon, currently I can cast great magic weapon.

I'd try some lightning or fire resin before pushing your int. The scythe may be working against you here, in my experience the safest place to be vs them is right in their armpits.

Starks
Sep 24, 2006



Hey so I killed Lautrec but I didn't get my Firelink Shrine back. I have a firekeeper soul but I can't use the fire and when I go to where Anastacia was it just says "Dead". Is there a way to get it back?

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.


doomfunk posted:

I'd try some lightning or fire resin before pushing your int. The scythe may be working against you here, in my experience the safest place to be vs them is right in their armpits.

That's what I'm doing, and they're big enough for the scythe to still hit them. I think with my dex, the damage shows as 467 or something. Lightning halberd is more damage but slower.

About the resin: I forgot that! will give it a try.

EC
Jul 10, 2001

The Legend


Starks posted:

Hey so I killed Lautrec but I didn't get my Firelink Shrine back. I have a firekeeper soul but I can't use the fire and when I go to where Anastacia was it just says "Dead". Is there a way to get it back?

When you killed Lautrec you should have gotten a specific FK soul, you need to take that back to where Anastacia was and you'll get a prompt to restore her. If you used the souls, you're SOL.

Starks
Sep 24, 2006



Heh well I had two FK souls after I killed Lautrec and I upgraded my flasks thinking I'd use the other one for the Firelink. I guess it used the wrong one. That sucks.

Dickweasel Alpha
Feb 8, 2011

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FishBulb posted:

What's the deal with the crow you can trade with, I never seem to get anything. Drop in nest, save quit reload. Items gone. Is it broken now or something?

Don't save/quit. Rest at the bonfire, run out to her, drop your item, roll off the side. You'll reload at the bonfire, then just take out the hollows between you and the nest, gain a cool 1000 souls, pick up your item and touch your bloodstain. Repeat.

Also, for those of you looking for weapons to use on the skeletons, if you killed the first merchant for his Uchigatana, instead of making a Divine Reinforced Club you can just use the Morningstar tucked underneath where the two elevators are. That's what I've been using to take care of skeletons, at least.

EC
Jul 10, 2001

The Legend


Starks posted:

Heh well I had two FK souls after I killed Lautrec and I upgraded my flasks thinking I'd use the other one for the Firelink. I guess it used the wrong one. That sucks.

That does suck. Check your inventory to be sure though. It should have a different description than the other FK souls.

MoonwalkInvincible
Nov 30, 2011



redreader posted:

That's what I'm doing, and they're big enough for the scythe to still hit them. I think with my dex, the damage shows as 467 or something. Lightning halberd is more damage but slower.

About the resin: I forgot that! will give it a try.

I haven't done the fight yet, but supposedly Quelaag's Furysword is also very good against them since they're weak to fire (possibly weak to chaos fire in particular?), and with a 40 dex build and 10 humanity, you'll be getting the best possible damage out of it.

Also, the wikidot page says that using a Dark Hand as a shield will actually fully block their magic projectile attacks for very little stamina loss, so if you're having trouble with that attack and have a Dark Hand, it could be worth a shot.

GreatGreen
Jul 3, 2007

THIS IS HOW YOU REMIND ME OF WHAT I REALLY AM

So, does eating Purple Moss increase your resistance to poison, or does it cure it? Because when I get poisoned and eat it, nothing happens. I still continue taking poison damage.

Hakkesshu
Nov 3, 2009

2D and 90s video game music



GreatGreen posted:

So, does eating Purple Moss increase your resistance to poison, or does it cure it? Because when I get poisoned and eat it, nothing happens. I still continue taking poison damage.

You might be confusing poison with toxic. You need Blood Red clumps to cure toxins.

Dickweasel Alpha
Feb 8, 2011

Mod Secrets #614 - Experto Crede is the one who bought most of those frog avatars


Hakkesshu posted:

You might be confusing poison with toxic. You need Blood Red clumps to cure toxins.

This is wrong, you need Blooming Purple Moss Clumps to cure Toxin. Red Moss Clumps cure bleeding, which makes it pretty useful for going through the Catacombs.

You can easily tell whether you are Poisoned or Toxined by watching your health meter. If it's going down slowly, it's just poison and you can Estus Flask it while you wander about for Purple Moss Clumps if you need them. If it's going down at a pretty good clip, you've probably been Toxined and you should quickly use a Blooming Purple Moss Clump before you d--you're dead.

Hakkesshu
Nov 3, 2009

2D and 90s video game music



FrancisYorkPatty posted:

This is wrong, you need Blooming Purple Moss Clumps to cure Toxin. Red Moss Clumps cure bleeding, which makes it pretty useful for going through the Catacombs.

Yeah, my mistake. I can't tell my clumps from my mosses.

Read
Dec 21, 2010

well your stupid and have no friends


Hakkesshu posted:

You might be confusing poison with toxic. You need Blood Red clumps to cure toxins.

You're confusing bleeding with toxin, Blood Red clumps will reduce bleed buildup while Blossomed Purple Clumps will reduce and cure toxin buildup.

Kuhmondo
Jul 2, 2009


redreader posted:

That's what I'm doing, and they're big enough for the scythe to still hit them. I think with my dex, the damage shows as 467 or something. Lightning halberd is more damage but slower.

About the resin: I forgot that! will give it a try.

Alternative: use a non-upgraded pyro flame. Then use power within, switch to your catalyst and stack great magic weapon or crystal magic weapon. Proceed to wail away at the four queens with 2-handed R2 with the great scythe or R1 with a +14/15 balder side sword.

Kuhmondo fucked around with this message at May 6, 2012 around 20:45

UncleStepBrother
Jan 14, 2010


It took a lot of effort and what felt like an infinite number of deaths but I finally beat all the bosses up to 4 Kings my SL1 Pyro. Long story short, if you get killed by a darkwraith with a treasure chest for a head in Undead Burg / Parish that will be me.

The Midniter

Keep trying and make sure to summon Soltaire. He is good at tanking / being a distraction as you take the gargoyles down one at a time. Their fire breath hits pretty hard so try not to stand between them and get hit from behind. Also, if I do invade you, I'll try not to kill you.

Macksy
Oct 20, 2008


UncleStepBrother posted:

It took a lot of effort and what felt like an infinite number of deaths but I finally beat all the bosses up to 4 Kings my SL1 Pyro. Long story short, if you get killed by a darkwraith with a treasure chest for a head in Undead Burg / Parish that will be me.

The Midniter

Keep trying and make sure to summon Soltaire. He is good at tanking / being a distraction as you take the gargoyles down one at a time. Their fire breath hits pretty hard so try not to stand between them and get hit from behind. Also, if I do invade you, I'll try not to kill you.

Have fun invading the level 120+ dude and his 2 bros in the burg all decked in havels'/giant's armor who all cast wrath of gods the second you spawn.

UncleStepBrother
Jan 14, 2010


Macksy posted:

Have fun invading the level 120+ dude and his 2 bros in the burg all decked in havels'/giant's armor who all cast wrath of gods the second you spawn.

Yeah that happens but not as often as you'd think (at least in Parish). Usually one of two things happen. If they have made it up stairs I wait at the top and do a lunging attack while they climb the ladder or I run downstairs, close the middle gate if it's open, then go kill them near the blacksmith bonfire. The gate thing is mostly adding future insult to current injury.

Sheep-Goats
Jul 28, 2003



redreader posted:

four kings on ngp. What a loving pain. Even great combustion with +5 super pyro hand just takes a tiny sliver away.

40 dex, 26 vit/end, 18 magic. using a +14 great scythe, which doesn't seem to be 'cutting it' as it were. Should I enchant it? are they susceptible to magic?

I looked on the wiki and all it really said was to use great magic barrier, which I need 6 more magic/int to cast. Should I pump that stat, then? If I do then I can also use crystal magic weapon, currently I can cast great magic weapon.

If all else fails put on the red tearstone ring, get your HP low enough to activate it (play with turds then eat a moss) and don't get hit. That plus Bellowing plus Dusk hat plus some Great Combustion should Do Things. They're weakest to fire I believe, so have Queelag's on swap for when your puffs run out.

IMO it's better to summon a bud than break your build just for a spell to clear one boss. Unless this is a pure PvM character, in which case diversity is key and you might as well go for it.

Sheep-Goats fucked around with this message at May 6, 2012 around 21:44

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.


I just got summoned in anor londo and could not find my summoner. I decided to start right at the start, go through the roof of the painting chapel. I got to the end and even pulled the lever for the middle-of-long-bridge-at-start raiser when I was booted out by my host for not being around. I worked out right afterwards that he was probably a lot further along, and I just lowered his bridge thing. He'll be pissed later!

Got summoned again and knocked off by an archer! yay anor londo!

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.


Sheep-Goats posted:

If all else fails put on the red tearstone ring, get your HP low enough to activate it (play with turds then eat a moss) and don't get hit. That plus Bellowing plus Dusk hat plus some Great Combustion should Do Things. They're weakest to fire I believe, so have Queelag's on swap for when your puffs run out.

IMO it's better to summon a bud than break your build just for a spell to clear one boss. Unless this is a pure PvM character, in which case diversity is key and you might as well go for it.

I think you know me well enough to know I don't really have a build. Not sure what to pump right now so levelling vitality/end.

Sheep-Goats
Jul 28, 2003



redreader posted:

I just got summoned in anor londo and could not find my summoner. I decided to start right at the start, go through the roof of the painting chapel. I got to the end and even pulled the lever for the middle-of-long-bridge-at-start raiser when I was booted out by my host for not being around. I worked out right afterwards that he was probably a lot further along, and I just lowered his bridge thing. He'll be pissed later!

Got summoned again and knocked off by an archer! yay anor londo!

You heard the Anor Londo song right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5yw0wHQx9A

p.crestmont
Feb 17, 2012


redreader posted:

I think you know me well enough to know I don't really have a build. Not sure what to pump right now so levelling vitality/end.

Good call, you said you had 26 for each right? Pump them to 40 each or close to it (Ring of Favor and Peace if you have it). Iron skin works wonders on the Kings; Green Blossom>Iron skin>spam R1 with your highest dps weapon until you're out of stamina> Estus heal>Great combustion/Great fireball while stamina regains>spam R1...etc. repeat. Power within is good too to either start or finish with (only if you have a spare unupgraded pyro hand though, otherwise it's suicide)

EC
Jul 10, 2001

The Legend


redreader posted:

I just got summoned in anor londo and could not find my summoner. I decided to start right at the start, go through the roof of the painting chapel. I got to the end and even pulled the lever for the middle-of-long-bridge-at-start raiser when I was booted out by my host for not being around. I worked out right afterwards that he was probably a lot further along, and I just lowered his bridge thing. He'll be pissed later!

Got summoned again and knocked off by an archer! yay anor londo!

I had a game of hide and seek in AL earlier today. Started around the second bonfire, and ran through the level like I was heading to O&S. No enemies until I got to the main hall, where the archer and one of the giant knights was dead but the other was still hanging. I head outside towards the bridge, which I notice is down. Figuring I've got him caught, I raise the bridge then head down to Gwyn's tomb. He's not there. I scope out the cathedral, and all of the guardians are hanging out so I know he's not hiding there.

I finally head back to the main hall, where I'm lucky enough to see the remaining giant knight moving back to position. I run towards the Sunbro bonfire, and sure enough run smack into him. One CSS later and he's dead. Really anti-climatic ending for all that running around.

Invading in AL and there are two beefed up white phantoms right in front of me. I do some rolling/casting and get lucky, killing the two phantoms and then ultimately killing the host. 3v1, and I won! I got a message from the host saying I need to get a life.

Assisting in AL is a lot of fun when there's an invasion. I've yet to lose a match, although I'm decked out in some dumb looking stuff since I'm not actively PVPing, so maybe I just don't look like I'm worth bothering with.

Did some assisting in New Londo and got summoned by the dumbest host ever. Constantly flasking, trying to barge through the room with the ghosts and darkwraiths, decked out in Gwyndolin's set of all things. The guy was an idiot. Somehow we ended up with three Kings all attacking us at once, and I guess he thought it was a good idea to split the up, as every time I'd try to gang up on the one he was attacking he'd run for another one.

Let me tell you, trying to dodge attacks from three Kings at once is a stressful thing.

UncleStepBrother
Jan 14, 2010


redreader posted:

I think you know me well enough to know I don't really have a build. Not sure what to pump right now so levelling vitality/end.

High dex (~40) and the wood grain ring is a pretty decent combo as well. Make sure you are below 50% of your weight capacity (if you have been pumping endurance it should be pretty high). Also, the merchant right before Undead Burg (behind bars on the way to the depths) sells fire resin for pretty cheap.

Leyburn
Aug 31, 2001


That Black Knight Greataxe is some weapon huh? I just upgraded it to +5 with my current character and it hits like a truck and looks cool as hell too.

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

METAL GEAR!?

Hooray! Finally beat the Bed of Chaos, Nito, Seath, the Four Kings, and Gwyn! NG+ is so much fun. @_@

owl_pellet
Nov 20, 2005

pleasureman

Was there ever an update to the PDF in the OP? How much of it is outdated or irrelevant by now?

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

Three lives you shall have of me. No more, no less. Three and we are done.


That Anor Londo song made my evening even better, thank you.

Altho AL is never really too hard once you get the snipers beat. The silver knights are all loving chumps.

blowingupcasinos
Feb 21, 2006


That loving tree. I hated dropping down the platforms for the shortcut in Demon's 2-2, and I loving hate hate hate this goddamn tree. That you have to climb back *out* is like WTF. I also hate how it's totally possible to climb back up but also confusing as gently caress.

THEN you have to climb out of blight town! Warping can't come soon enough.

I'm also cursed because why the gently caress not?

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Dr Snofeld
Apr 30, 2009


I've started a new guy, going for a STR build, and on my first run through the Burg I two-shotted the first Black Knight, which was SO cathartic. The Zweihander is a magical thing when paired with gold resin. Also two-shotted the Taurus Demon but didn't resin up for that one.

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