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Vatek posted:I don't understand how people can use heavy armor in this. How the hell do you manage to kill a boss when your roll carries you about 2 feet and you move slower than molasses? I've been using that double equipment burden ring from Havel for the entire game and I religiously keep my burden under 25% for max speed. I don't roll, ever. I'm wearing Havel's Armor and the Steel protection ring. I can tank hits from most attacks bosses throw at you like a pro. My end is the highest stat I have, and I'm using the Black Tower Shield; I rarely run out of stamina. It's a great feeling going toe to toe with some of the enemies in this game and just beat your way into victory. 
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Vatek posted:I don't understand how people can use heavy armor in this. How the hell do you manage to kill a boss when your roll carries you about 2 feet and you move slower than molasses? I've been using that double equipment burden ring from Havel for the entire game and I religiously keep my burden under 25% for max speed. Havel's set gives you so much poise that you will probably not be knocked on your rear end. This is an exceptional advantage against bosses like Four Kings.
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Vatek posted:I don't understand how people can use heavy armor in this.
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HalfHazard posted:There's a blacksmith near the Undead Chapel. Go straight out of the chapel from the elevator that takes you back to Firelink Shrine and you'll find him. There's also one at the start of New Londo Ruins, which is directly below Firelink. He's at the bottom of some stone steps, but be careful not to fall in the water. Thanks!
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Filthy Monkey posted:I actually hosed up my directions there. Hug the right side. I meant right. Left has the ghost bridge. It's more of a reaction to the news of finding out there is a blacksmith right goddamn there instead of having to jog all the way to the one by the forest.
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Perfectnumpty posted:Welp guess I'm boned. it's weird I did flip the switch because I walked down, but the bald guy must have flipped it back or something. Don't suppose you have any homeward bones that would take you out?
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Gold-hemmed robes offer really nice protections for their weight. Also, under 50% weight is still very mobile if you are getting good protection from the added armor. With 40 end, I am wearing a mixture of full upgraded black-plate + some havel armor and am still well below 50% with my weapons, shield and casting foci.
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Fellblade posted:Don't suppose you have any homeward bones that would take you out? That won't help much if he's got the bonfire in the Tomb of the Giants. 
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Filthy Monkey posted:Lots of endurance and Havel's ring, mainly. Most heavy armor people are going to be aiming to keep their weight under 50% though, not 25%. With 30 endurance and havel's ring, I am sporting a full set of steel armor, the furysword, eagle shield, talisman, and longbow while under 50%. It's just bizarre as hell to me because my first character was a thief (and I never played Demon's Souls) and "DO NOT GET HIT EVER" is basically burned into my brain after 30 hours. The robes protect me reasonably well if I gently caress up and something hits me, but I still feel like getting hit at all means I hosed up somehow.
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Smelly posted:It still drops you if you lose connection, so yeah, that's the annoying part. Yeah, I saw where it's Peer to Peer now, which sounds alright for a game like this since the interaction between players is somewhat limited. My only concern is invading another player's game and getting killed by lag because they're on the other side of the world. So is it p2p across all versions, or is it dependant on your PSN ID? Because I remember I had to create a Japanese PSN account just so I could play Street Fighter 4 with other people close by instead of people back in the States. For a company that was once pioneering Sony sure seems incompetent when it comes to setting up simple common sense networking.
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Smelly posted:That won't help much if he's got the bonfire in the Tomb of the Giants. Ah I didn't see that part.
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Vatek posted:It's just bizarre as hell to me because my first character was a thief (and I never played Demon's Souls) and "DO NOT GET HIT EVER" is basically burned into my brain after 30 hours. The robes protect me reasonably well if I gently caress up and something hits me, but I still feel like getting hit at all means I hosed up somehow. It's a really substantial shift in feel of combat. Once you finish your dex run, give it a go, it changes almost the entire game / totally shifts the way in which you feel like a tremendous bad rear end.
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CaptainStag posted:Yeah, I saw where it's Peer to Peer now, which sounds alright for a game like this since the interaction between players is somewhat limited. My only concern is invading another player's game and getting killed by lag because they're on the other side of the world. Well, most of the people I've been attacking/being attacked by are Japanese. So I assume it's across all versions.
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Vatek posted:It's just bizarre as hell to me because my first character was a thief (and I never played Demon's Souls) and "DO NOT GET HIT EVER" is basically burned into my brain after 30 hours. The robes protect me reasonably well if I gently caress up and something hits me, but I still feel like getting hit at all means I hosed up somehow. The robes offer a good amount of protection against physical attacks (and much better non-physical protection than most heavier armors I've seen). The lack of poise means you'll get a few stunlock deaths, but other than that they are great. However I don't think they can be upgraded so they may eventually be outclassed by other armors. The big advantage of heavy armor in Dark Souls isn't the added protection, it's the poise that lets you ignore hits. Also: even as a light armor character, I can't emphasize enough the importance of using a greatshield. I was using an upgraded regular shield (the tower shield that knights start off with), but late-game sword & board enemies wouldn't be stunned from attacking me when I was blocking. I switched to an upgraded Eagle shield and now they do get block-stunned. This makes fighting them much, much easier--some of the later enemies have very few truly "safe" openings other than block-stun.
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Vatek posted:It's just bizarre as hell to me because my first character was a thief (and I never played Demon's Souls) and "DO NOT GET HIT EVER" is basically burned into my brain after 30 hours. The robes protect me reasonably well if I gently caress up and something hits me, but I still feel like getting hit at all means I hosed up somehow. It's not just you, a lot of people seem to think like this (listen to Vinny in the Giantbomb quick look for example). Dodging is one way to play, but it has limits if you don't realize that it is totally viable and sometimes necessary to stick on some heavy armor + a shield and tank some poo poo. In my opinion it is actually much easier to play an END heavy character and just block the majority of the blows that come at you. Of course you do want some mobility for the exceptionally heavy hits. The problem with dodge is there is always that circumstance where you swear you dodged, yet the game still says you were whacked for your whole life bar and you just have to  and try again. It's the same problem I have with riposte, it works real good sometimes, but not consistently enough.
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Where do I go after killing Capra Demon (MOTHERFUCKER), Havel (MOTHERFUCKERER) and getting the key to The Depths? I can't seem to find the location of the Depths, and I don't know where to go. Visiting the forest scares the hell out of me with the crystal golem things and something that shoots out water spouts that TK said golems in a single hit. Are there any goodies down there? Also Havel Ring is awesome because it lets my Warrior run around in full Elite Knight gear like it ain't no thang and Poise is ridiculously important apparently.
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Smelly posted:Well, most of the people I've been attacking/being attacked by are Japanese. So I assume it's across all versions. This is pretty awesome, and definitely helps avoid the game stagnating in the future and being broken up into two(or three!) versions. I'm glad they went this route.
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I have 30 end and use an Eagle shield with a nearly impenetrable block (against S&O I could completely block any of their attacks, even overhand hammer smashes if I had a full end bar). I should clarify that I don't try and dodge every single attack at this point in the game, my shield does about 90% of the work for me in the average fight and I have about 6 different spears that I switch between depending on the enemy. There's just a disconnect to me between END heavy and using heavy armor. If I go heavy on end I can block a crazy amount of attacks and if I use light armor I retain full mobility, so I'm basically a speedy tank. The only times I ever get knocked down is if it's a huge attack that I should have dodged or if I get careless and get crushed through my block because I wasn't managing my endurance. Vatek fucked around with this message at Oct 11, 2011 around 15:39 |
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CHARONS BOAT RIDER posted:Bringing this up from a long time ago, but: Dick. I told you that's going to be my second playthru. Ninja Edit: Naked + Double Shields.
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Calaveron posted:Where do I go after killing Capra Demon (MOTHERFUCKER), Havel (MOTHERFUCKERER) and getting the key to The Depths? I can't seem to find the location of the Depths, and I don't know where to go. Visiting the forest scares the hell out of me with the crystal golem things and something that shoots out water spouts that TK said golems in a single hit. Are there any goodies down there? Ok, after you kill the boss you just downed head back out where the smoke was before you killed capra, face the entrance to his arena and take a right. That will eventually lead you to a shortcut to the surface/merchant up some stairs or down some stairs into the depths. Also yes there are goodies down there, why do you think there are gigantic golems and water shooting hydras guarding the area? 
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Calaveron posted:Where do I go after killing Capra Demon (MOTHERFUCKER), Havel (MOTHERFUCKERER) and getting the key to The Depths? I can't seem to find the location of the Depths, and I don't know where to go. Visiting the forest scares the hell out of me with the crystal golem things and something that shoots out water spouts that TK said golems in a single hit. Are there any goodies down there? Just cut a hard right down the stairs right from right in front of the fogdoor of the capra demon, run down the road a bit and there should be a steel door on the left. And make sure to grab the shortcut on the way!
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Oh, I forgot until someone mentioned the Hydra When I went down into Ash Lake I originally ran from said monster to try and explore without the slog of fighting it in Melee. When I went across the map to the other side, this fucker roared and then Jumped over the loving beach to the other side of the lake to attack me from there Scared the gently caress out of me watching that.
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Smelly posted:I don't roll, ever. I'm wearing Havel's Armor and the Steel protection ring. I can tank hits from most attacks bosses throw at you like a pro. Ditto, I play a tank and never roll, although sprinting into a bosses blind spot has been really essential. Obviously you take hits playing a heavy poise character, but it has the advantage of being able to chug a Eustus Flask with impunity. Good poise means you never stagger and can drink right in the middle of a boss swing a hammer into your face. I stared wearing a combination of the Stone Armour, Eagle Shield, Wolf Ring, Havels Ring, and a Halberd in Blight Town and it has been my staple for ages.
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Shalinor posted:That's how I played DeS. Now, I run around with a spear and shield and decent armor, and when a giant one-legged statue tries to smash me with a 40 foot staff, I just laugh from behind my shield and poke it in the eye with my spear, or quickly shift to two-handing a giant gently caress-off sword and cave its skull in. This is what I'm starting to think also. I played Demon's Souls as a knight but consistently got hosed because that game punished tanks. So I started Dark Souls as a wanderer only to find that my former build seems much more viable. If only I had done the opposite However I find that while I actually am able to avoid most hits, when I do get hit, it hurts. This is also why I hardly bother with parrying. It's just far too inconsistent and risky. Sumixam fucked around with this message at Oct 11, 2011 around 15:43 |
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Just pump your endurance and get a good shield. Eventually you can block nearly anything and you have the mobility to avoid the things you can't block (or bypass your shield with magic damage). Does anyone know if the Silver Knight Spear can be upgraded to a Lightning SKS? That thing is like a combination Halberd/Spear and it completely destroys everything (even better than my Lightning Winged Spear). I need to find more Twinkling Titanite to upgrade it.
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Bleagh how annoying, I got invaded by two phantoms in the forest and got backstabbed by one, but then somehow made a recovery and took both of them down to almost no health with a few attacks, then a loving npc guy aggros and kills me with his mace.
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Xvimic posted:Ok, after you kill the boss you just downed head back out where the smoke was before you killed capra, face the entrance to his arena and take a right. That will eventually lead you to a shortcut to the surface/merchant up some stairs or down some stairs into the depths. Also yes there are goodies down there, why do you think there are gigantic golems and water shooting hydras guarding the area? Holy hell that monster sounds fun. How long until I can learn some Pyromancies? Figure I should branch out a bit, and I hear Pyromancy doesn't scale with Intelligence until I reinforce the focus to +15, so it would suit my retarded character. I understand the Pyromancer is down in the Depths, but after I free him can I head back to Firelink or will I have to make it a suicide run so I can go back there and get pyro stuff?
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Calaveron posted:Holy hell that monster sounds fun. When you free him he turns up in Firelink and becomes a permanent resident there.
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Vatek posted:Does anyone know if the Silver Knight Spear can be upgraded to a Lightning SKS? That thing is like a combination Halberd/Spear and it completely destroys everything (even better than my Lightning Winged Spear). I need to find more Twinkling Titanite to upgrade it. I'm pretty sure anything that needs Twinkling Titanite cannot be ascended.
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Can anyone give me an idea of some decent rings I could go find? I've only found 3 so far, which seems odd. I've found Havel's, the one that leaches health when you kill enemies and the one that increases defense when low on health.
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I'm curious does anyone here play by relying heavily on riposte? I almost never counter-attack because even though I can do it 90% of the time with practice. That 10% of the time you take a full hit with no block doesn't seem to be worth it, especially considering you have to learn the timing somewhat for every enemy. It seems to be that it is way more reliable to just straight up block and attack when they are staggered after a miss. Interested to know if anyone uses this mechanic regularly to progress through the game though.
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I tried it for a little bit but the window for a parry is just too small and the counter-stabs are slower in most cases than just killing an enemy the regular way, because you have to go through the SLOW-MO ANIMATION every single time.
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Vatek posted:I tried it for a little bit but the window for a parry is just too small. It's even smaller in Demon's Souls. Going from that to this, the parry window is wonderful.
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The catacombs are horrible. I think it's a mixture of not having a divine weapon and the finicky layout, but after dieing to the knight in the tunnels and not being able to kill the statue I've run off for now. I'm planning on coming back when I have more endurance so I can hold out for longer in the tunnel, and when I've buffed my weapons. I went in with 3 humanity and 7k souls, and came out with nothing. On to blight town now... yay.
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Xvimic posted:I'm curious does anyone here play by relying heavily on riposte? I almost never counter-attack because even though I can do it 90% of the time with practice. That 10% of the time you take a full hit with no block doesn't seem to be worth it, especially considering you have to learn the timing somewhat for every enemy. It seems to be that it is way more reliable to just straight up block and attack when they are staggered after a miss. I do it to those piece of poo poo spear & shield enemies. But yeah parrying is definitely easier than in Demon's.
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Vatek posted:When you free him he turns up in Firelink and becomes a permanent resident there. Sadly, he's not a permanent resident if you want to learn more advanced pyro spells. If you meet the advanced pyro trainer in the swamp, he'll notice that you're using stronger spells than his own and ask you to tell him where the other master is. Regardless of your answer, he'll eventually disappear from Firelink to go meet her. quote:Can anyone give me an idea of some decent rings I could go find? I've only found 3 so far, which seems odd. I've found Havel's, the one that leaches health when you kill enemies and the one that increases defense when low on health. Possibly the best ring in the game is the Covetous Gold Serpent Ring, found in Sen's Fortress. To find it, go back to that segment where you had to dash behind a boulder. If you follow the boulders' path all the way instead of veering left where the trap elevator is, you'll find the ring. There's another good ring in Sen's Fortress that increases your defense against physical attacks. It's in a room behind a serpent mage in the very first boulder pathway you encounter. There's also a third ring in there which boosts your fire defense. It's on the rooftop.
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I've been using a lot of the new combo controls. It's a really welcome edition to the game and really useful for a dexterity character. I particularly like O then R1 while fighting which jumps back and lunges forward in one animation. If you guys didn't know about them try it out.
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Yodzilla posted:I do it to those piece of poo poo spear & shield enemies. But yeah parrying is definitely easier than in Demon's. I did that too until I realized I could just go two-handed with my bastard sword and break right through their guard with my second and third heavy swing.
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NoneSuch posted:The catacombs are horrible. I think it's a mixture of not having a divine weapon and the finicky layout, but after dieing to the knight in the tunnels and not being able to kill the statue I've run off for now. I'm planning on coming back when I have more endurance so I can hold out for longer in the tunnel, and when I've buffed my weapons. I went in with 3 humanity and 7k souls, and came out with nothing. On to blight town now... yay. Yeah, don't even attempt the catacombs without a divine weapon. Also, you can bypass the statue entirely, it's only guarding some weird item that I can't find a use for. The catacombs are kind of odd because you're far more likely to go there first at the start of the game instead of the "correct" path up the side of the cliff and I think a lot of people get a really bad first impression based on that. I've seen a shitload of youtube playthroughs where people end up there right off the bat and they're just throwing themselves at it over and over thinking it's the only path. Then again, the entire game is a jumble of paths that branch into each other, so I guess that's a good introduction lesson in "trying to get through places you're not supposed to be in yet 101". Vatek fucked around with this message at Oct 11, 2011 around 15:54 |
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Xvimic posted:Gold-hemmed robes offer really nice protections for their weight. Also, under 50% weight is still very mobile if you are getting good protection from the added armor. With 40 end, I am wearing a mixture of full upgraded black-plate + some havel armor and am still well below 50% with my weapons, shield and casting foci. Hell, I'm using the gold trimmed robes and havels ring and I'm under 25% weight for speed rolls on my dex character. There are two fundamental flaws you have to deal with on the gold trimmed robes. 1) You can't upgrade them 2) You give up poise for that slot. If you can live with those two things it works amazingly, but you have to realize that it will never get better as the game goes on. If you want a good middle ground between the super light good defense no poise armor of the gold trimmed stuff and the "oh my god look at my defense/poise but gently caress my back" feeling of Havel's/Stone armor, then look at upgrading the elite plate armor. The breastplate weighs 11.something, has 20 poise and I've upgraded mine to +7 and it's got near 70 physical defense. My strength character with havel's ring uses the Elite knight helm +5, elite knight armor+7, gold trimmed legs/arms, hollow soldiers shield and a *motherfucking demon greataxe* (22 wt) and is still doing the medium roll.
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