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Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005



This is going to be a long five days.

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Sumadartson
Nov 24, 2006


Nelson Mandingo posted:

This is going to be a long five days.

Thanks for reminding me of the fact that I'm in Abroadistan, EuropaLand. 2011-10-07. Goddamnit.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003



GhostDog posted:



PO-TEE-WEET MOTHERFUCKER!
Oddly that crow is one of the nicest and most helpful characters in the game so far.

Daveski
Aug 5, 2003

God's own singer of dongs

If you're like me and didn't preorder the game, it looks like Target is gonna have it available with a free $10 giftcard. Non-CE I'm sure, but I'm not into that kind of thing anyway.

Jetpack Postman
Jun 30, 2011


Daveski posted:

If you're like me and didn't preorder the game, it looks like Target is gonna have it available with a free $10 giftcard. Non-CE I'm sure, but I'm not into that kind of thing anyway.

At this point, all you're really missing is the art book. The soundtrack is already all over YouTube and mini-strategy guide is already outdated thanks to the FuturePress guide. The Making-of videos will likely find their way on YouTube as well.

Also, thanks to everyone reminding me how great they are I'm going to add the Bartholomew trailer and Squint's LP to the OP. Seems like things I should've done from the get-go, but I reiterate: I am a silly, stupid individual.

Monolith.
Jan 28, 2011

To save the world from the expanding Zone.


I really want that tin.

Macksy
Oct 20, 2008


Is the artbook a full fledged book or is it some small 30 page thing with a few sketches, cg renders, and screenshots?

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008


So...is heavy armor actually viable in Dark Souls, instead of a trap that totally gimps you, or is fast rolling still far superior?

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003



Pornographic Memory posted:

So...is heavy armor actually viable in Dark Souls, instead of a trap that totally gimps you, or is fast rolling still far superior?
Some level of heavy armor (I don't understand what yet) causes your animations to not be interrupted by enemy attacks, so that is a big boon for heavy armor. However, I'm still going with light myself, especially since, like in Demon's, the black leather armor gives you all kinds of status effect resistances.

edit: also the general idea that if you are getting hit over and over again to the point where heavy armor is making a big difference, it probably means that you are doing something fundamentally wrong and need to improve.

Schwartzcough
Aug 12, 2009

Don't tease the Octopus, kids!

Samurai Sanders posted:

Some level of heavy armor (I don't understand what yet) causes your animations to not be interrupted by enemy attacks, so that is a big boon for heavy armor. However, I'm still going with light myself, especially since, like in Demon's, the black leather armor gives you all kinds of status effect resistances.

edit: also the general idea that if you are getting hit over and over again to the point where heavy armor is making a big difference, it probably means that you are doing something fundamentally wrong and need to improve.

I have heard that rolling in Dark Souls isn't as effective as it was in Demon's- not as many invincibility frames, and you need to be practically naked to get the fastest roll. Is that your experience so far?

I get the impression they improved heavy armor, and nerfed the roll a bit to balance things out.

monoptic
Apr 8, 2004

MAGNICIFENT!


Schwartzcough posted:

I have heard that rolling in Dark Souls isn't as effective as it was in Demon's- not as many invincibility frames, and you need to be practically naked to get the fastest roll. Is that your experience so far?

I get the impression they improved heavy armor, and nerfed the roll a bit to balance things out.

I've seen some of that in the fighting environments as well. It might've just been the area the streamer was in, but he was severely hampered with no place to roll - either in close quarters or up on catwalks with no where to go.

Talran
Sep 11, 2005

Be gone with you! You'll spoil my focus.


Samurai Sanders posted:

Some level of heavy armor (I don't understand what yet) causes your animations to not be interrupted by enemy attacks, so that is a big boon for heavy armor. However, I'm still going with light myself, especially since, like in Demon's, the black leather armor gives you all kinds of status effect resistances.

edit: also the general idea that if you are getting hit over and over again to the point where heavy armor is making a big difference, it probably means that you are doing something fundamentally wrong and need to improve.

While entirely true for Demons Souls, I haven't yet found many places here where I've needed much more than a hard shield and heavy armor aside my spear. But my god, you still need good timing. I still love my thiefy armor though! And I tend to swap styles when I get bored, the only thing I haven't really tried yet is main-spell casting, but that'll have to be a different character!

dexplosivo posted:

I've seen some of that in the fighting environments as well. It might've just been the area the streamer was in, but he was severely hampered with no place to roll - either in close quarters or up on catwalks with no where to go.

Tighter quarters for many encounters, so you can't just blindly roll/counter spam some of the bosses/enemies. I seemed that everyone was a tumbling machine in Demons Souls, not so much anymore. And with my 20ish Endurance I have to be naked with a shield just aboutto get the fastest roll, but that roll is wicked quick compared to the Demons Souls one.

Talran fucked around with this message at Sep 28, 2011 around 21:41

Sultan Tarquin
Jul 29, 2007

and what kind of world would it be? HUH?!

Pretty god-drat excited for this game. Less excited that retailers are still enforcing this tuesday = US friday = UK bullshit. 9 loving days

ThePhenomenalBaby
May 3, 2011


some guy on a stream was decked out in an extremely heavy armor and was going toe-to-toe with a boss and was almost outpacing it in sheer damage, even though he was going straight health/dex. i wouldn't worry about heavy armor in this game if you properly spec for it

i fully plan on making the tankiest build i can, so you roll masters can expect to hear some news.

ThePhenomenalBaby fucked around with this message at Sep 28, 2011 around 22:02

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005



Schwartzcough posted:

I have heard that rolling in Dark Souls isn't as effective as it was in Demon's- not as many invincibility frames, and you need to be practically naked to get the fastest roll. Is that your experience so far?

I get the impression they improved heavy armor, and nerfed the roll a bit to balance things out.

At lower levels that is true, rolling in general has been nerfed. Rolls come out faster, but the recovery time has been increased. However once you get +20 dexterity you do a new roll animation that has almost no recovery time.

I'm rolling a warrior. They start with 13 strength and dexterity. That way it won't be too hard to hit 20 strength and dexterity for me. I'm going to focus on strength however because I plan to make a two handed sword speed character. Strength increases swing speed so that's going to be my main stat besides vitality and endurance.

Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at Sep 28, 2011 around 22:06

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007


ThePhenomenalBaby posted:

some guy on a stream was decked out in an extremely heavy armor and was going toe-to-toe with a boss and was almost outpacing it in sheer damage, even though he was going straight health/dex. i wouldn't worry about heavy armor in this game if you properly spec for it

i fully plan on making the tankiest build i can, so you roll masters can expect to hear some news.
Man, I was all set to make a rolly rear end in a top hat thief, but hearing this is seriously starting to put some doubt in my mind. So many builds that were kinda gimmicky in Demon's seem completely viable now.

ThePhenomenalBaby
May 3, 2011


well looking viable and the actuality of playing the build are two different things. that said I'm willing to experiment because honestly, tanking blows and doing more damage is fun as hell, even if it ain't top tier!

Drowning Rabbit
Oct 28, 2003

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

Holy gently caress, what a GLORIOUS birthday present. Had no idea the date was so close, I remembered it being much further into October. Birthday is Saturday, will have Dark Souls on Tuesday.

Is getting the platinum in this one as much of a grindfest as Demon's Souls was?

Rexicon1
Oct 9, 2007

A Shameful Path Led You Here

Goddamit, I can't decide what kind of class I'm going to play. I need everyone's input here to come to some sort of consensus.

One thing's for sure, I'm starting as deprived with the locket because I am doing this right.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003



Consensus? We all like different play styles, as I assume you do.

Cinroth
Dec 11, 2008

Has it never occured
to you that this club
is overpopulated?

E-everyone? All 157,289 of us?

(go depraved, never equip anything)

Rexicon1
Oct 9, 2007

A Shameful Path Led You Here

I'm not wondering what the optimal min-max class is because that's completely the wrong way to play (eg: Ilkar's mirden hammer faith build). I'm just wondering what everyone else is doing. gently caress, chances are I'll probably play all different permutations of dexxer, str-build, magic-surprise sex because in DeS, all of these we're fun for different reasons. I'm just at a personal impasse of how to spec myself initially.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003



Rexicon1 posted:

I'm not wondering what the optimal min-max class is because that's completely the wrong way to play (eg: Ilkar's mirden hammer faith build). I'm just wondering what everyone else is doing. gently caress, chances are I'll probably play all different permutations of dexxer, str-build, magic-surprise sex because in DeS, all of these we're fun for different reasons. I'm just at a personal impasse of how to spec myself initially.
Oh, it's that word "consensus" you used that confused me, usually that means multiple people agreeing, not just you.

Jerkface
May 21, 2001


"HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE POOR, MOTHERFUCKER?

I'm gonna play a heavy armor sword guy because its my first time playing any of these games

Monolith.
Jan 28, 2011

To save the world from the expanding Zone.


Scoobi posted:

I'm gonna play a heavy armor sword guy because its my first time playing any of these games

Probably the same. Give me that heavy armor so I can take maybe one more hit.

Zero Karizma
Jul 8, 2004

It's ok now, just tell me what happened...

The.GreyWolf posted:

Probably the same. Give me that heavy armor so I can take maybe one more hit.

If it's like Demon, speed is more your friend than armor. Never underestimate the power of a hasty retreat.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003



The.GreyWolf posted:

Probably the same. Give me that heavy armor so I can take maybe one more hit.
I also started with heavy armor until I got back into the Souls groove, then took it off. That's probably the better way to go, since heavy armor is expensive and/or a rare drop in the beginning of the game but light armor is common. So, better to bring some heavy armor with you into the game.

Oh, with light armor on you can JUMP. Like, horizontally, over empty space. You could never do that in Demon's. It is a game changer as far as exploring goes.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at Sep 28, 2011 around 22:48

Jetpack Postman
Jun 30, 2011


Rexicon1 posted:

I'm not wondering what the optimal min-max class is because that's completely the wrong way to play (eg: Ilkar's mirden hammer faith build). I'm just wondering what everyone else is doing. gently caress, chances are I'll probably play all different permutations of dexxer, str-build, magic-surprise sex because in DeS, all of these we're fun for different reasons. I'm just at a personal impasse of how to spec myself initially.

I'm going to be using a primarily Strength, secondary Dex build while wearing Heavy Armor. Everyone's still kinda down on heavy armor, but from what I've seen from the streams there are dudes rolling around pretty drat fast in heavy armor for some reason and damage mitigation from heavy armor is quite significant this time around. I still don't know which armor is better in the long run, but from what I've seen dodge speed becomes moot in the long run.

Maybe the popular thing will be light armor early, heavy armor later?

Emron
Aug 2, 2005



My plan is to level up vitality and endurance only for a good long while, then start putting points into whatever stat goes with the sword/axe/halberd/whatever that I think looks the coolest and enjoy using the most. Then I'm going to hit things with it.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003



In this playthrough I am keeping str and dex mostly the same, so I can make use of the largest number of (non-magical) weapons and see how they all behave. My next time through I will choose one or the other to specialize in I assume.

Darth Windu
Mar 17, 2009

I'M AT MY WIT'S END WITH ALL THESE DIAMOND PLAYERS TRYING TO CHAT BAN ME IRL


The starting classes look considerably fancier now, assuming that the art in the wiki is similar to what they'll be wearing in the game. I cannot decide between the Warrior, Knight, or Bandit.

I'm usually more of a knightly dude, but man that bandit looks kickass.

J
Jun 10, 2001



Samurai Sanders posted:

In this playthrough I am keeping str and dex mostly the same, so I can make use of the largest number of (non-magical) weapons and see how they all behave. My next time through I will choose one or the other to specialize in I assume.

This is basically what I'm planning to do, and did on my first demon's souls playthrough. Take a bit of a jack of all trades approach to be able to equip as much stuff as possible just to see how it plays, and then build a more minmaxed character the second time through. Looking back on my first demon's souls character is so funny, the drat green bar seemed so tiny after having not played him for so long compared to my later characters.

hemale in pain
Jun 5, 2010


I'm tempted to go for Deprived as I like the idea of starting with almost nothing, and fighting my way up, but drat that knight armour is sexy.

Darth Windu
Mar 17, 2009

I'M AT MY WIT'S END WITH ALL THESE DIAMOND PLAYERS TRYING TO CHAT BAN ME IRL


NoneSuch posted:

I'm tempted to go for Deprived as I like the idea of starting with almost nothing, and fighting my way up, but drat that knight armour is sexy.

Seriously, they somehow made fluted armor even better looking.

Zebrasectomy
Apr 19, 2009


So I've never played Demon's Souls but I'm really looking forward to playing this.

I have a question about the thief class though: How much of an advantage do you get from the Skeleton key? I usually play as thieves but I have a feeling that agile classes are better suited for experienced players in this series.

Monolith.
Jan 28, 2011

To save the world from the expanding Zone.


Speaking of thieves, what's the advantage of the Masterkey if all the chests are unlocked?

Viash
Mar 17, 2003


Word is the masterkey is a one-use consumable that can open any door. So if you know what you're doing you could save a hell of a lot of time/get something awesome early or something. If not it could be totally worthless.

Lear
Jul 6, 2007

"My third eye is squeegied quite cleanly."


My Mistress returns on Oct. 4th. Like an obidient thrall, I await her lash against my backside. I am both terrified and excited.

Seriously though... I have not been this excited for a game in years (decades, maybe). For the past few months since finishing Demon's Souls, I have longingly fingered the little divots on my computer desk that resulted in smashing my controller on it multiple times while playing that punishing and evil game.

To this day there is a little piece that rattles inside the controller when I shake it.

StringOfLetters
Apr 2, 2007
What?

When I heard about that, I assumed there'd be like one or maybe two doors in the world that don't actually have normal keys and can only be opened with a Master key. So you could either blow it for convenience's sake, or save it up for The Ultimate Secret somewhere down the line. But that's just wild speculation.

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Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003



The question is, can it open doors that don't have keys, rather that are locked from the other side?

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